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Good afternoon everybody and welcome to

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the Upper Lachlan Shire Council meeting for 16

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October.

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firstly in relation to the public

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the course of it. So look I should we

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Council accepts no liability for any

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defamatory or offensive remarks or

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gestures made during the course of this

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council meeting.

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reports  we don't have  any

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confidential reports at the current

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meeting acknowledgement of country.

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I'd like to acknowledge and pay respects

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and pay our respects to the Aboriginal

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Elders both past and present as well as

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emerging leaders and acknowledge the

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traditional custodians of the land on

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which we meet today in terms of

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apologies,  we have no apologies

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today. We've got  a full complement of

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counselors.

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 declarations of interest could I

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just ask if there's any further

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declarations of interest? Nothing we

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have one declaration from

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Councelor Cameron in relation to

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item 16, I'll be pardon  item 16.1

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declaration stay in the chamber, not

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participate in debate and not vote

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in terms of presentations to council

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we we today we we didn't have any 

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presentation scheduled. look, I'd

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just like to for also first and just

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make a comment that there's a flavor

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of pink around the room today the 

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the whole the whole of council as well

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as our councils here today are making an

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effort to promote

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 breast cancer awareness month which

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is  for the month of October I

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understand that you know it's obviously

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had some experience with through a

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family member or or a relative or a

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friend it affects  apparently

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around one in seven women and it also

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can apply to men. So look, it's a very

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worthwhile 

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thing to  to bring to attention and I

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know there's a lot of fundraising

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activities that happen. We have a big

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thing at the cricket and various other

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events and I'm sure there'll be some

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things this month. So I guess Upper

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Lachland  wants to do their do our

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part to  promote to make that very

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important issue  along with  our

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staff.

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Thank you there's no citizenship

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ceremony today. So we'll move on to the

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confirmation of minutes.

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 is there a move for acceptance of the

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minutes? Move by councelor Searl and

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seconded by councelor Pierce have

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we got any amendments there from the

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floor

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or all those in favor to adopt them?

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Been adopted unanimously.

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All right, we'll just move on to the 

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to the Mayoral minute.

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Sorry, forgive me.

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Right. 

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so in relation to the  the Mayoral

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minute

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 just wanted to mention a couple of

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things during the  month

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we did have a visit from Local

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Government New South Wales. 

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the  the current 

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president of  local government New

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South Wales, Phyllis Miller visit us as

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well as David Reynolds who's the chief

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executive officer they

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outlined their  current priorities 

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which was no great surprise to myself as

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I've been to quite a few forums with

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them, but  I guess the most

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significant ones are the  financial

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assistance grants. We local government

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New South Wales continues to lead the

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charge in terms of trying to get them.

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They were traditionally 1% of GDP.

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They're currently just over.5%.

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 the general  submission is to try

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to get it back to 1% but I think they're

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also being quite pragmatic and trying to

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lobby the prime minister and his

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treasurer to even look at a staged uh

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return to the levels of 1% which does

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seem to be getting some support and we

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certainly wish them well with that cuz

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that's a very important thing for

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particularly regional councils like

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ourselves where discretionary funds 

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are quite limited. Um the CEO and myself

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also attended

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 a dinner on the promotion of

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regional Australia that was funded by

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Trans Grid we took that opportunity

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to they were a joint sponsor of that

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event that was a good opportunity to

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to meet with some of the senior people

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with Trans Grid again and  you know

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we've got a number of issues there. One

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is the  making sure that the damage

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that's currently being incurred out in

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Trager is properly addressed in a timely

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manner and that we get appropriate

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funding for that. And I know our

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director of infrastructure is working

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very hard on that and also to continue

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to push our case for um the five heavily

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impacted councils uh to receive uh more

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appropriate remuneration for the impact

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the long-term impact on the um the

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Hunink line.

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Um I also just mentioned that we've

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commenced our outreach meetings. Um and

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this week um the virtually all eight of

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the nine councilors were able to attend

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the outreach meeting in Traga and um I

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think personally I thought it went quite

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well. We we had a a reasonable

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attendance there of of residents and um

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we presented

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uh information on the whole of council

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financial situation and operational

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situation as well as specifics for the

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uh the areas around trial and you know

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there was a lot of interaction between

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residents and ourselves uh in terms of

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things that they'd like to see us doing

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which is always useful. So, we took away

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a lot of um action points to um to

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explore and see what can be done about

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them. Um is there any other questions in

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relation to the items on the mar minute

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council plan?

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Um I wasn't unfortunately able to attend

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the 22nd of September meeting with the

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commissioner Tony Mah. Um can you tell

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me what was discussed um with the

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Australian energy validation regulator?

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Yeah, thanks um Council Flagan. Um I've

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actually met with um the commissioner of

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uh energy I think is his official title

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prior to that occasion as well with the

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other mayors and we discussed the the um

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the issues in relation to renewables.

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This meeting was specifically an upper

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Lachland one and uh again I thought it

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went quite well. We had a um I think we

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had about 20 odd guns members of the

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public who came. Um

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Tony M originally said he he'd only be

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here for um 2 hours. Um but then you

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know a day or two before he sort of said

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look he realized how big an issue it was

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in our shower and he said he'd stay here

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for as long as we wanted which was

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really appreciated. Um he got a lot of

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feedback from all of those present um

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including the counselors and um

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uh yeah I thought it was very

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constructive. It it wasn't a rowdy

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meeting at all. It was just genuine

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concerns about the impact on the show.

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And he since contacted a number of the

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people who attended, including myself,

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and uh said that he he wants to for us

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to continue to feed him information

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because that's his role to be a go

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between between the public and energy

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companies um and try to resolve issues

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and get the best possible outcome. So

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yes, thank thank you for that question.

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It was um uh a very useful day and I

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really thank Tony Mah for for doing his

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role, taking it very seriously and

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making himself available for that cuz

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he's a very busy man.

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Um was it councelor Ramos? Yes.

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Um yes, I'd just like to make mention of

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Lagard's first annual charity ball

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and I know you attended as MC and they

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greatly appreciated that. What an

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incredible success that was. The the uh

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money that is actually coming back to

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the community. Uh some of it they the

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progress association will keep and do

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improvements as as they do and half has

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gone to the upper locking foundation.

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But this is a fantastic example of what

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a small community can do by really

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working together and uh they did an

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absolutely sensational job.

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Yes, look uh totally agree with you

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council Reynolds. It was a delightful

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evening and one thing I said on the

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night is that um you know we're known as

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the SH villages and you know it was a

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great example of a a small community

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event that um you know there was

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apparently a long quite a long waiting

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list of people who wanted to come and

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they didn't have enough room for them

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and they in terms of the auction to

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raise money people were

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without being unkind some of the things

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there were you know not particularly

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flash in terms of the prizes but the

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public was incredibly generous. just

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because they just wanted to get behind

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it and support the cause. So, it was a

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delightful night and I know it's um the

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aim is for that to be an annual event

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and and based on the success of this

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year, little doubt that will happen. So,

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thank you.

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They already have seven tables booked

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for next year.

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There you go. Yeah, I know. Um

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unfortunately the hall's only got a

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limited capacity but um that just shows

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you um if you do put on events in these

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small places people do love to get

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involved and and that was for a very

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worthy cause. So thanks for that. Any

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other questions? Uh if not I might move

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my motion be accepted. Second for that.

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Second by councelor Reynolds. All those

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in favor.

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Um

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shut here

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and move on to uh correspondence which

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is item 8.1 page 44

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moved by councelor S and seconded by

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councelor Flagan. Um there's one item of

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correspondence there. Is there any

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questions on that matter?

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Just just one very brief one. Yeah,

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sure.

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Uh,

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basically just uh does this change much

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for us in our

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uh pro?

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Sorry. There we go. There we go. Um,

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just one question, Mr. Mayor. Um, the um

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uh the uh quarterly budget review

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statement guidelines, does that change

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any of the way that we currently do

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things? And is is that change

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significant? Yeah. Well, I might defer

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to the director through

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the question. Um, there's only really

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minor changes to our our reporting

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requirements. Um, there's an addition to

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uh section uh 7-Eleven and 712

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development contributions. So, it's

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identified as its own separate note. Uh

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there's removal of contracts and legal

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expenses um uh quarterly reporting and

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uh it's it's really bundled up the capex

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reporting into one single note. So it

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probably streamlined it. Um but I

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wouldn't say it's given much additional

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information in that regard. Thank you.

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Very good. Um all right. Could I move

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that correspondence accepted please? All

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those in favor.

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Thank you. Um we'll move on to the

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information only session. Um as usual

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we'll deal with the planning matter

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development statistics first. Um and

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then we'll look at the other items.

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Could I have a a mover for the

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development statistics report? Moved by

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councelor S and seconded by councelor

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Pierce. All those in favor.

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All right. Could I just um go around the

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table for anyone who's got um any

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questions on particular items?

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Yes, I I do.

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Yeah.

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On 10.2 10.3

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uh 10.6.

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Thank you. Thank you.

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Any others on the left hand side of the

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table here?

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No.

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No.

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10.2, please.

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Thank you, Council Pierce.

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10.2.

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All right. Well, we might um move along

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with that then. Then with the work in

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progress item 10.2 and Councelor Cameron

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had a question.

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Uh development statistics.

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Oh, sorry. I had 10.2. to this.

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No, no, no.

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Are we going to talk about 10.1?

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Uh, well, we can we Well, I didn't think

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there was any questions on we already

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put it.

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Um,

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yeah. So, uh 10.2. You got

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10.2. Um, so that's about um the um uh

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the uh the works in progress. Uh I have

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a question about uh Woodhouse Lee Road.

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I have a question about Orchard Street

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Toronto.

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Uh, and they are and a question about

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Table Lane to something in series. How

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much of Woodhouse Lee Road is planned to

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be sealed? Um, with the references

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there. Um, Orchard Street to Roa. The

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storm water improvements very welcomed.

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Delighted to hear that. The western side

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footpath, however, is in very poor

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condition all the way from Baraby Street

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to Good Hugh Park. Right past the shops

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and the pub that whole side. uh is there

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scope within that work for that to be

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tackled? And in relation to Tablelands

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Way north of Terrella,

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um it's great that um we've done the

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Barabara Creek uh uh crossing that that

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bridge. I've been up and down on that

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road a couple of times now. It's

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terrific. The report mentions stages 2

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to four. Um I'm just wondering if we can

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have a little bit more detail about that

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if that is if that is possible.

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All right. Well, let's see what that

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needs to be taken on notice or

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Yep. having for that to be taken.

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Yeah, I'll take that on notice because

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um the wood hustle road we don't have

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any we are working on the specifics and

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and identifying where we will work etc.

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So I'll have to take that and then I'll

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council.

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Very good. Thank you. Um council me.

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Yeah. Um just a question in relation to

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uh 10.2 to a red ground road pavement

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rehabilitation.

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Um just a more of a query really. Um

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does any given that that's the potential

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access site for the proposed living farm

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is there any correlation between the

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works being done there and the

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prospective wind farm

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through the CEO? Not that I'm aware of.

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There is no correlation to it. It is it

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is a typical um you know hour activity

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that was that was already planned for

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and so but this was earmarked well

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before any potential

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uh prospecting or scoping of it of that

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area for the wind path.

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That's correct.

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Thank you

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councelor Pierce

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give him give him a second there to

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compose himself.

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Sorry pardon me while I just choke

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quietly. Um

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sorry I've uh actually led you astray. I

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was actually going to make a comment on

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works completed which was the bumenting

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around uh the gun recreation grounds

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which uh is a fabulous work well be well

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uh in time um reducing the amount of

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dust that goes into the gunning show

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grounds and is a fabulous piece of work

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and I think the works department needs

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to be congratulated on that.

429
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All right. Thank you very much for that.

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more than

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while I die.

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I have some audio.

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Yes.

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Can I just throw a comment into um the

435
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state road main road 54? You've changed

436
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the way that's presented that

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information. It's not segments now. So,

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thank you. I I understood that much more

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readily.

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Very good. Um item 10.3 is investments

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and councelor Cameron had a

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Yeah. Uh thanks Mr. Mayor question. Um,

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so, uh, I note that since the last

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report, we've increased our term

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deposits by half a million from 39.1

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million to 39.6, which is terrific.

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Great to see. I'm assuming that that's

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uh going to generate uh more security

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around our future cash flow, our income

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stream. Uh, and it's overall uh

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indicative of our improving um financial

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position, which I think is also great.

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It would be useful, I think, just to if

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if I could get the relevant official,

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obviously, you know, the director of the

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CEO to um just uh understand how we work

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out how much uh additional funding from

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time to time goes into our term deposits

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for that purpose. um uh and how that how

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that that uh is then spread across the

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the the reserved funds the named funds

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that that that um uh that we have

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specific functions for.

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So through through the CEO um there was

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a large increase obviously with the

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tripartite agreement that uh we council

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signed for the natural disaster works

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and that resulted in an advanced uh

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payment of around 3.7 million. So our

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year uh 30 June 25 was around 36

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million. So that correlates directly

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that we're around the 39 to 39 12 uh

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million. Uh depending on uh cash flow of

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different particular projects then they

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can fluctuate up and down by half a

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million to a million uh at any given uh

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week or month and payroll comes in a mix

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as well. But how we distribute that out,

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you can see there's there's obviously

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interest that's uh well above what we

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anticipated and what that is is it gets

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a portion across the development funds

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based on the amount of dollars held in

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each fund. So so it's it's proportion

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based on on general fund and your other

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restricted reserves.

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Y thank you. Thank you. And uh

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traditionally we've always been very

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conservative in our budgeting for

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interest income and it's usually just a

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a little bit add-on.

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Um could I just for the information item

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sections which is 10.2 to 10.6. I might

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just first of all get a mover and a

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second for that move by council second

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by council flan. And then we move on to

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the next item which is the action

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summary. I believe councelor Cameron had

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a question on that as well.

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10.6. six.

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Oh. Uh, it was a Thank you. Um, it was

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in relation to item 130/24, the first

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item in the table. Uh, this is the

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closure of, um, the road reserve founded

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by Wilton Lane Street for the purpose of

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moving the gun fire shed. Um can I just

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say thank you to CEO and staff for the

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um detailed timeline that you provided

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at session uh which has been forwarded

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on to RFS for the RFS region before the

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certainty now provides that um in as

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much as it can um that's that's very

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useful to know. So thank you.

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Thanks Cameron. Yes.

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May May I just go back to 10.5

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to go? No, we can uh

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I just as clarification if you don't

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mind um just over there may just on that

519
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table on rate collection per year

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am I to take rates outstanding to uh

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21:47.360 --> 21:50.360
30th of September due but not yet paid

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is that what that means?

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That's correct.

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Okay. Sorry.

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Very good. Um so look I think that's the

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end of our questions on that. Um if I

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could just uh put the put acceptance of

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all the information items 10.2 to 10.6.

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All those in favor I

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thank you. Um we'll move on to

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environmental planning. Um

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which is starts on page four page 74

533
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sorry the alcohol-f free zones. Um I'll

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hand over to the acting director of

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environment planning as concerns that

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through the CBO. Good afternoon

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councilors. In the report before you, it

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outlines the intention to reestablish

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the alcohol free zones. To do so, we

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need to reexhibit the document. Uh

541
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within this document, it outlines the

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process to essentially establish and

543
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then reestablish alcohol free zones, the

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process and who we must engage with. Uh

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and the timelines required. Uh I'll put

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it before you to place it on exhibition

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and I'll bring it back. Uh and advise

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you of objections or information that

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comes through as part of the exhibition

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period.

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Uh thanks the acting director. I'll just

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get a move for that motion. Move council

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seconded by

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councelor Reynolds. Um is there any

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questions on the matter?

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Yes.

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Yes, councelor Finger.

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So um just looking at the uh the areas

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that are covered in that map. Um it

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seems excessive to me. Um, we've had a

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little drive around and looked at the

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signs and and uh uh to say for instance

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Dennis Street, you've included um

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in front of the public school um it just

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seems to me to be unnecessary. I can see

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why it would have been included the uh

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the hall. Um but I the hall is currently

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used for the the amount of functions. So

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um I yes put it on exhibition but I will

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be making a submission suggesting that

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the uh area covered is too large and I'd

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look forward to seeing how the uh local

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area command police respond to to this

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as well.

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So this is zone two concerned about the

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street.

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The the map does uh is it's just a

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slight error on that map. The words say

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that it goes to Collier Street, but it

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does in that show on the map itself. I

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show it as going up to War Street, which

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is not correct.

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I've confirmed that

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through the CEO. Thank you for feedback,

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council. I'll address that. Um, in

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regards to your comment, uh, I've

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included the evaluation criterion here

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for council's noting. Uh, and it is

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likely that we may see responses that

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see the reduction in the amount of

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alcohol free zones we have. um and you

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will be guided by what the community and

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um the LCA comes back with. So, thank

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you for your comment.

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Very good. Any any other questions on

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this matter? Yes. Councelor Als

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uh through the mayor. Um it's my

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understanding that all we're doing is

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reestablishing these alcohol-f free

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zones that were already in place and uh

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we're just uh now reestablishing it uh

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in that area. Now, I have spoken to a

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few of the the uh publicans and retail

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places in town. No one has an objection

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to this. I think um our community as a

606
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whole encourages responsible drinking.

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Um certainly those premises that are

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licensed are very very diligent in that

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area. Uh I do feel that to have an

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alcohol-free zone in front of school is

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is

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makes sense to me. Um there should not

613
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be any alcohol in uh in that area. Um

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and uh yeah, I I would support this

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because I I do think it is something

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that will benefit our whole community.

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All right. Thanks for that, Council

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Reynolds. I'm sure those will probably

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come out on the exhibition period. Um,

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is there any other questions on this

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matter?

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All right, I'll put the motion. All

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those in favor? I

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Thank you. Um, move on now to item 11.2,

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planning proposal of Red Ground Road.

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Um, could I have a a move for that

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motion? Moved by councelor S and

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seconded by councelor Pierce. Um does

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the um

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uh acting director of training have any

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contact through the CEO? So this is just

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to finalize the red ground road. It's

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gone to gateway uh and part following

634
26:25.200 --> 26:27.176
the gateway we're required to exhibit

635
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the document to government agencies. The

636
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comments are in there and council staff

637
26:31.200 --> 26:32.936
comments are in there as well. As said

638
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council this is to finalize and

639
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essentially move to to incorporate this

640
26:37.840 --> 26:39.816
within our leap. Happy to take questions

641
26:39.840 --> 26:41.015
councilors.

642
26:41.039 --> 26:44.039
All right. Is there any cancell

643
26:46.880 --> 26:49.880
um I just wonder if you go to page 90 uh

644
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when you're looking at the submitter

645
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objections there was the risk to

646
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livestock with stray dogs. This

647
26:59.360 --> 27:00.936
particular

648
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um proposed development is 16 lots. So

649
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to say the science bits opposite an

650
27:06.880 --> 27:08.535
existing and established residential

651
27:08.559 --> 27:11.015
area and is unlikely that the proposal

652
27:11.039 --> 27:14.039
will increase the risk anymore than the

653
27:14.720 --> 27:17.720
existing residential area present I

654
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believe is erroneous because you've got

655
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16 lots

656
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basically butting up against farmland

657
27:26.000 --> 27:29.000
and there is going to be an impact. Uh I

658
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do think that that should be um taken

659
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into account because I've seen this

660
27:35.600 --> 27:38.135
um our area where I live, when there is

661
27:38.159 --> 27:40.056
an increase in homes, you have an

662
27:40.080 --> 27:42.296
increase in animals. And usually it's

663
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one dog or two cats per household. And

664
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that can impact um the farmland and um

665
27:50.480 --> 27:53.480
and um livestock around it. So I think

666
27:54.960 --> 27:57.960
to dismiss that is is something that

667
27:58.159 --> 28:01.159
should be um uh reconsidered.

668
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Uh, all right. Well, thanks for that

669
28:05.600 --> 28:07.255
comment. I mean, obviously I don't know

670
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they've been dismissed. We've just tried

671
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to tried to staff tried to answer the

672
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issues raised, but um we got any

673
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comments on that comment

674
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through the CEO. Thank you for the

675
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question, councelor. It's really our

676
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intention as staff to provide a

677
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response. So, councilors knew we'd

678
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consider it. It isn't a planning

679
28:23.679 --> 28:25.816
consideration. We do have a range ranger

680
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on staff, but in terms of providing a

681
28:28.000 --> 28:29.336
response, it's just to make sure that we

682
28:29.360 --> 28:31.736
had considered. I I take your point that

683
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more dogs can result in more risk, but

684
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unfortunately it is not a planned

685
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consideration. It's a staff comment. Um

686
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and I'll take as a comment. So, thank

687
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you, Councelor Reynolds. Any other

688
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questions on the Yes, council.

689
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Uh thank you, M. Mr. Mayor. Um

690
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I'll um I will end up um supporting the

691
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recommendation, but I just want to make

692
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a couple of comments. Um I read through

693
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the this um uh paper and the all the

694
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attached reports that came back as a

695
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result of the gateway assessment uh in

696
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some detail. Um the the traffic report I

697
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think I found uh a little bit

698
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disappointing. Um it mislabeled

699
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intersections 2 and three in figure 6.1

700
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in traffic report. There was some

701
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nonsense about a bus route proposal that

702
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I just was so out of context. I thought

703
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was a bit um I know that these things

704
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need to be addressed but it was it was

705
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it wasn't particularly uh useful. Um the

706
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the rest of the assessments, you know,

707
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biodiversity, you know, not stuff about

708
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the traffic, the flood stuff is dealt

709
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with, I think, adequately. The

710
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agricultural use, I'm concerned about

711
29:36.399 --> 29:38.296
budding up against prime agricultural

712
29:38.320 --> 29:41.015
land. not quite on the dog issue that

713
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Senator I kept on saying Senator

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Councelor Reynolds um um uh mentioned um

715
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but but nonetheless uh the um the

716
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challenge we have in managing uh both

717
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our residential growth and dimmonition

718
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of good farmland

719
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um uh and I note the objections um uh

720
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but I think on balance uh uh all things

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considered that I think this is this is

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worth supporting. So I I will be voting

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for it. A comment.

724
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Uh thank you, Council Cameron. There any

725
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other questions on on the matter?

726
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All right. Well, we'll keep that motion.

727
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All those in favor?

728
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Thank you. That's carried unanimously.

729
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No,

730
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I'll be okay.

731
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Sorry, Council Reynolds is against that.

732
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My apologies.

733
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Thank you. Um we move on now to item

734
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11.3 um the grout resilience plan.

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This uh has been undertaken in

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conjunction with the uh hilltops show

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council. Um could I have a move for the

738
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to support recommendation council so and

739
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councelor Pierce second of that motion?

740
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Um I'll hand over to the acting director

741
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if any comments on the plan or through

742
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the CEO counselors. The report for you

743
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is really just an FYI. We resolved

744
31:06.159 --> 31:08.535
councilors resolved in 2022 to support

745
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the plan uh through Hilltops and CRJO.

746
31:11.520 --> 31:13.895
They are coming out as part of the con

747
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uh engagement process in the second week

748
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of November. And I wanted councils to be

749
31:17.760 --> 31:19.576
aware that was occurring. Outside of

750
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that, I'm not looking for any further

751
31:20.799 --> 31:22.296
actions. Just an FYI. Thank you,

752
31:22.320 --> 31:24.056
councilors.

753
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And I guess again this is one of those

754
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plans um they're meaningful but they're

755
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also useful in terms of our suite of

756
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documents for um you know possibly

757
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future grant funding and and other

758
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things that might impact the show. Um so

759
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look there's no further yet question

760
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spoke too soon.

761
31:43.919 --> 31:46.919
I'm I'm sorry. I'm sorry Mr. Mayor. Um

762
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uh uh thanks thanks for the paper.

763
31:49.919 --> 31:52.919
Absolutely fine. Um uh but I'm I'm

764
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particularly interested in the context

765
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of drought that the very blunt

766
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instruments that our state and federal

767
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governments use as the whole of LGAAS to

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be either declared or not declared or

769
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similar language affected or the like.

770
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Um I know you've been doing some

771
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lobbying uh and commentary through CGO

772
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and country mayors on this. Would you be

773
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able to give us a a quick reflection on

774
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on on the sorts of things that you've

775
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been able to say to the decision makers

776
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at state and federal level on such

777
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matters? Uh yeah, look, thanks Council

778
32:21.200 --> 32:23.655
Cameron. Look, I will um make a couple

779
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of comments and one thing I'll just say

780
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as as recently as this week, I was asked

781
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uh whether we would add ourselves to

782
32:31.360 --> 32:33.576
petitioning for drought relief right at

783
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the moment. Um my I know I have had

784
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there has been a couple of people in the

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SH who've um made submissions to say

786
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that we really should be pushing for

787
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drought relief. I mean my personal view

788
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is that you know I like to take a

789
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statewide view. um we we most definitely

790
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there's little doubt we're exposed to

791
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the harsh realities of drought from time

792
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to time but I guess my current position

793
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is that I just feel that most of our sh

794
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we had a very difficult winter but our

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actual average you know we went far off

796
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our average rainfall and there's

797
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actually people I'm aware of in the show

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who

799
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having adjustment and things like that

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so I'm sort of very conscious of not

801
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diminishing you know the incredibly

802
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incredibly needyish guys particularly to

803
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our south and to our west who who are

804
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really still in a desperate situation.

805
33:25.919 --> 33:28.856
Um and so you know on that front

806
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obviously I I really think documents

807
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like this are really important to do

808
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what we can to prepare for the next dry

809
33:35.679 --> 33:37.895
period. But I'm also very conscious of

810
33:37.919 --> 33:40.919
supporting our other country mayers um

811
33:41.039 --> 33:43.576
who in this in this instance in in every

812
33:43.600 --> 33:45.655
judgment that I can that's been put

813
33:45.679 --> 33:47.336
forward to me are in are in a much more

814
33:47.360 --> 33:50.360
dire state than we are. Um at at the

815
33:52.159 --> 33:54.775
to your to your other point um that's a

816
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very good comment. Um

817
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uh the representative Moriardi and a

818
34:01.679 --> 34:03.655
number of others who have this um

819
34:03.679 --> 34:06.616
portfolio at at at federal and state

820
34:06.640 --> 34:08.536
level. We continue to make that point

821
34:08.560 --> 34:11.560
that that it is I mean it's particularly

822
34:11.760 --> 34:14.375
noticeable for shers like Snowy Valley

823
34:14.399 --> 34:16.135
and ourselves where we're very large

824
34:16.159 --> 34:19.095
geographically and the circumstances in

825
34:19.119 --> 34:21.095
part of the show can be quite different

826
34:21.119 --> 34:23.256
to other parts. I mean in again coming

827
34:23.280 --> 34:24.936
back to upper Lachland in the east of

828
34:24.960 --> 34:27.960
our show through this winter they did

829
34:28.079 --> 34:31.079
receive a lot more rainfall than uh than

830
34:31.359 --> 34:34.055
than the south and the west. Um so it it

831
34:34.079 --> 34:36.776
really is a I suppose it is a hard thing

832
34:36.800 --> 34:39.800
for our masters but I've certainly and

833
34:41.200 --> 34:42.776
many other country may have made the

834
34:42.800 --> 34:44.855
point that you know it really is a very

835
34:44.879 --> 34:46.696
blunt instrument and I'd love to see

836
34:46.720 --> 34:47.976
more involvement with the rural

837
34:48.000 --> 34:50.216
counseling service for instance groups

838
34:50.240 --> 34:53.176
like that who can can be give a lot

839
34:53.200 --> 34:55.496
better feedback in terms of you know

840
34:55.520 --> 34:58.376
parts of shers uh that are particularly

841
34:58.400 --> 35:00.856
affected at the moment I I guess it's

842
35:00.880 --> 35:02.936
all I can say is that that issue is

843
35:02.960 --> 35:05.656
fully acknowledged but um I don't think

844
35:05.680 --> 35:07.176
anyone's come up with a better system

845
35:07.200 --> 35:08.376
just yet

846
35:08.400 --> 35:11.256
other than um other than it's

847
35:11.280 --> 35:14.136
acknowledged how difficult it is to

848
35:14.160 --> 35:17.160
to categorize one sh the other thing is

849
35:17.440 --> 35:19.656
with disaster recovery generally a point

850
35:19.680 --> 35:21.736
that's been made uh at a number of

851
35:21.760 --> 35:23.256
forums I've been at is the amount of

852
35:23.280 --> 35:25.095
money the federal and state government

853
35:25.119 --> 35:26.536
have had to put towards that in the last

854
35:26.560 --> 35:29.176
5 years has jumped astronomically and so

855
35:29.200 --> 35:31.736
they're also incredibly well concerned

856
35:31.760 --> 35:33.575
concerned about targeting the right

857
35:33.599 --> 35:36.599
areas. Um and and it is becoming a

858
35:36.880 --> 35:38.856
growing part of the state and federal

859
35:38.880 --> 35:41.656
budget. Um and look, that might just

860
35:41.680 --> 35:43.656
have to be, but it's all the more reason

861
35:43.680 --> 35:45.656
why there needs to be a lot of science

862
35:45.680 --> 35:47.176
behind

863
35:47.200 --> 35:49.976
um how that's determined. Um but I don't

864
35:50.000 --> 35:51.256
think we're there yet. There's still a

865
35:51.280 --> 35:52.776
lot of work to happen on that.

866
35:52.800 --> 35:53.176
Thank you.

867
35:53.200 --> 35:54.856
It's the best I can do to explain that.

868
35:54.880 --> 35:57.880
Thank you. No, cancel that.

869
35:59.760 --> 36:01.335
Just general questions.

870
36:01.359 --> 36:03.256
First time either independently or

871
36:03.280 --> 36:05.575
jointly we've actually had a a plan like

872
36:05.599 --> 36:08.536
this to my knowledge. Yes, it is. I

873
36:08.560 --> 36:10.536
don't know if the CE's got any comment

874
36:10.560 --> 36:11.416
on that, but

875
36:11.440 --> 36:13.416
I believe so. In fact, this was part of

876
36:13.440 --> 36:15.815
a pilot program with funding that was

877
36:15.839 --> 36:18.456
given to um as a joint program with

878
36:18.480 --> 36:21.480
Upper Mlin Hilltops. Um so so I guess

879
36:22.000 --> 36:23.736
it's the first time probably most

880
36:23.760 --> 36:25.496
councils have focused on this particular

881
36:25.520 --> 36:28.136
work. So um it would be great for us to

882
36:28.160 --> 36:29.575
continue on that work. And of course

883
36:29.599 --> 36:31.095
once you've got a plan in place and

884
36:31.119 --> 36:32.536
they've got the actions from it, if you

885
36:32.560 --> 36:34.296
don't follow through on the actions

886
36:34.320 --> 36:36.055
almost makes it pointless that you give

887
36:36.079 --> 36:37.496
the plan in the first place

888
36:37.520 --> 36:39.496
which is really why this document's here

889
36:39.520 --> 36:41.256
for support for us to continue doing

890
36:41.280 --> 36:41.815
that work

891
36:41.839 --> 36:44.216
and it it has come through the CJO and

892
36:44.240 --> 36:45.815
so there's most

893
36:45.839 --> 36:47.416
this just the second part is this

894
36:47.440 --> 36:48.696
something that it's just live it

895
36:48.720 --> 36:50.376
continues on it's not like something you

896
36:50.400 --> 36:53.400
review annually is it is it a live

897
36:53.440 --> 36:56.440
process it just is ongoing

898
36:56.640 --> 36:58.296
it is at this stage but there will be

899
36:58.320 --> 37:00.376
review periods in it otherwise it will

900
37:00.400 --> 37:01.656
just be left

901
37:01.680 --> 37:03.976
just but I think like most plans the

902
37:04.000 --> 37:05.496
intention would certainly be to update

903
37:05.520 --> 37:07.896
it um periodically and it's probably a

904
37:07.920 --> 37:10.920
bit early to just know when that will be

905
37:11.040 --> 37:14.040
um yes cert

906
37:15.200 --> 37:16.856
may may be better placed to ask this on

907
37:16.880 --> 37:19.880
his previous experience but um

908
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we know that yeah the the SH is really

909
37:23.040 --> 37:25.016
big and there are certain areas which

910
37:25.040 --> 37:27.176
are adversely affected and this is

911
37:27.200 --> 37:29.416
probably a matter of ignorance on part.

912
37:29.440 --> 37:32.440
Um but is there any mechanism where

913
37:34.480 --> 37:37.480
um individual areas can can seek

914
37:37.920 --> 37:39.896
assistance from state and federal

915
37:39.920 --> 37:42.920
governments to say like yeah okay we're

916
37:43.280 --> 37:45.815
the SH as a whole has received its

917
37:45.839 --> 37:47.976
rainfall but this particular part down

918
37:48.000 --> 37:50.296
in the southwestern area has had less

919
37:50.320 --> 37:53.320
than uh re rainfall and is there any way

920
37:54.560 --> 37:57.560
that that we can assist those people in

921
37:57.839 --> 37:59.976
getting some form of assistance or is

922
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that completely out of our hands? Sorry,

923
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I forget that's just my ignorance.

924
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Oh, well know and and look, I guess your

925
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comment gets the heart of the question.

926
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I mean, it's often done on postcodes and

927
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LGAs and so it's really very difficult

928
38:12.079 --> 38:14.936
to discriminate. Um, and as much as that

929
38:14.960 --> 38:17.176
might be the most equitable thing to do,

930
38:17.200 --> 38:20.200
we haven't really got um a good way of

931
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yeah,

932
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what I thought.

933
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Um, but things like I know a really

934
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useful thing that's in drought

935
38:29.520 --> 38:31.736
preparedness that's uh happened over the

936
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years and there's a not as much there

937
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used to be a lot more of it, but there

938
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was some this time is freight subsidies.

939
38:36.880 --> 38:39.880
And so the the beauty of a a measure

940
38:40.160 --> 38:43.160
like that is that um if people are doing

941
38:44.880 --> 38:46.536
pretty well, typically they're not

942
38:46.560 --> 38:49.176
buying in grain and f.

943
38:49.200 --> 38:52.055
Um so that is is sort of one way if you

944
38:52.079 --> 38:54.696
can make it so targeted that people who

945
38:54.720 --> 38:56.296
are spending enormous amounts of money

946
38:56.320 --> 38:58.296
on supplementary

947
38:58.320 --> 39:01.320
um food um you you're not going to get

948
39:01.599 --> 39:03.016
it far wrong if you're helping those

949
39:03.040 --> 39:03.736
sort of people.

950
39:03.760 --> 39:05.496
Yeah. Yeah. So, that's that's one thing

951
39:05.520 --> 39:06.856
that's been considered.

952
39:06.880 --> 39:08.776
Yeah.

953
39:08.800 --> 39:11.416
Any other questions on that, M?

954
39:11.440 --> 39:12.616
All right. Well, thank you for your

955
39:12.640 --> 39:13.736
comments on that. It is a really

956
39:13.760 --> 39:15.095
important thing. And as I say, just at

957
39:15.119 --> 39:17.496
this, I'm very nervous about suggesting

958
39:17.520 --> 39:19.656
that we're not in a bad situation at the

959
39:19.680 --> 39:22.376
moment cuz we, as any farming person

960
39:22.400 --> 39:25.335
knows that uh every year goes by, you're

961
39:25.359 --> 39:27.736
a year closer to the next drought. Um

962
39:27.760 --> 39:30.136
but right at the moment there is uh

963
39:30.160 --> 39:32.616
definitely like places like northern

964
39:32.640 --> 39:35.575
Victoria and and and north uh eastern

965
39:35.599 --> 39:37.896
South Australia are in absolutely dire

966
39:37.920 --> 39:40.296
states compared to us

967
39:40.320 --> 39:43.095
and we certainly offer them our support.

968
39:43.119 --> 39:44.856
Could I just make one comment?

969
39:44.880 --> 39:47.256
Yeah. Yeah. Um if we go back 12 months

970
39:47.280 --> 39:50.280
and it's easy for us to recall short

971
39:50.400 --> 39:53.400
term but last season um certainly we had

972
39:55.839 --> 39:58.839
a severe dry if it if it wasn't a

973
39:58.880 --> 40:01.880
drought. Um and we didn't get rain until

974
40:03.440 --> 40:05.656
late in winter which meant that we

975
40:05.680 --> 40:07.976
didn't have the grass growth that we

976
40:08.000 --> 40:11.000
would normally. So I think to to say um

977
40:12.560 --> 40:14.456
we weren't in in drought. I think we

978
40:14.480 --> 40:17.480
were um and certainly the comments uh

979
40:18.480 --> 40:21.256
around town and the spending around town

980
40:21.280 --> 40:24.280
reflected the fact that people were very

981
40:24.320 --> 40:26.776
very cautious in in parting with their

982
40:26.800 --> 40:29.800
money and spending uh because they could

983
40:29.920 --> 40:31.256
see that they were going to be spending

984
40:31.280 --> 40:34.280
a lot more on FOD. But when you reflect

985
40:35.440 --> 40:38.136
upon a few years ago when we had a

986
40:38.160 --> 40:40.456
three-year drought, that was a very very

987
40:40.480 --> 40:43.095
serious drought for us across our whole

988
40:43.119 --> 40:44.856
entire.

989
40:44.880 --> 40:47.880
So um I'm not making it making light of

990
40:48.079 --> 40:50.296
the fact that there were farmers and

991
40:50.320 --> 40:53.320
there were there were um uh people who

992
40:53.599 --> 40:56.599
suffered last year but this season is

993
40:56.720 --> 40:58.936
looking a lot better for us. Yes, thank

994
40:58.960 --> 41:00.776
you for that point, Council Rolls. And

995
41:00.800 --> 41:02.776
look, another point I'd make is that um

996
41:02.800 --> 41:04.536
when we talk about disasters, we talk

997
41:04.560 --> 41:06.136
about

998
41:06.160 --> 41:08.295
there's areas around Kempy and the

999
41:08.319 --> 41:10.456
Northern Rivers um who've had a reverse

1000
41:10.480 --> 41:13.016
problem. They've just um

1001
41:13.040 --> 41:14.936
the cattle areas where they've had

1002
41:14.960 --> 41:17.960
terrible trouble with um animal health

1003
41:18.240 --> 41:19.896
um because of too much. You know, it's

1004
41:19.920 --> 41:22.920
just um can be cruel at times.

1005
41:23.760 --> 41:26.055
The too much is almost as bad as too

1006
41:26.079 --> 41:28.776
little. Um all right. All those in

1007
41:28.800 --> 41:30.696
favor.

1008
41:30.720 --> 41:33.256
Thank you.

1009
41:33.280 --> 41:35.815
Um

1010
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we'll move on to item 11.4

1011
41:39.119 --> 41:41.496
which is the uh draft submission in

1012
41:41.520 --> 41:44.136
relation to quarry continuation at

1013
41:44.160 --> 41:47.160
Marina Quarry. Item 11.4 to foreshadow a

1014
41:48.560 --> 41:50.696
motion on that one.

1015
41:50.720 --> 41:53.720
Foreshadow a motion problem. Um so for

1016
41:54.640 --> 41:57.256
the existing motion could I have a a

1017
41:57.280 --> 42:00.136
mover for that?

1018
42:00.160 --> 42:03.160
Councelor Reynolds and a second.

1019
42:04.480 --> 42:07.480
So just to explain the process um in a

1020
42:07.520 --> 42:10.456
moment I'll ask um just just in interest

1021
42:10.480 --> 42:13.480
of um understanding what's happening

1022
42:13.920 --> 42:16.920
here the in the papers we already have a

1023
42:17.200 --> 42:20.136
submission prepared by the our planning

1024
42:20.160 --> 42:22.856
area that's raised a number of issues uh

1025
42:22.880 --> 42:25.256
that we we want to submit in relation to

1026
42:25.280 --> 42:28.280
this matter council sel

1027
42:32.880 --> 42:35.736
has um

1028
42:35.760 --> 42:38.760
has a motion that is um well not

1029
42:39.280 --> 42:41.016
directly at odds but it is at odds with

1030
42:41.040 --> 42:43.416
the with the original motion and

1031
42:43.440 --> 42:45.496
therefore um we can't put it as

1032
42:45.520 --> 42:47.575
amendment. We we have to have it as a

1033
42:47.599 --> 42:49.656
foreshadowed. So what that means is if

1034
42:49.680 --> 42:51.496
if you have a we have a look at

1035
42:51.520 --> 42:54.376
councelor S's motion I'd suggest now um

1036
42:54.400 --> 42:56.776
if you would have a preference for that

1037
42:56.800 --> 42:59.800
motion rather than the original motion

1038
43:00.000 --> 43:03.000
um you we'd be voting against the the

1039
43:04.160 --> 43:06.216
mot the motion in the papers and if that

1040
43:06.240 --> 43:08.776
is lost we would then consider councelor

1041
43:08.800 --> 43:10.696
S's motion. I'm not saying you have to

1042
43:10.720 --> 43:11.896
do that but I'm just saying that would

1043
43:11.920 --> 43:14.920
be the way that it transpires. Um,

1044
43:14.960 --> 43:16.936
council s perhaps you'd like to just

1045
43:16.960 --> 43:19.960
explain your foreshadowed motion.

1046
43:20.720 --> 43:23.720
Okay. Look, um, while I appreciate the,

1047
43:24.720 --> 43:27.656
um, recommendation from our planning

1048
43:27.680 --> 43:30.295
department, I'd have to say that looking

1049
43:30.319 --> 43:32.936
at the whole issue rather than just the

1050
43:32.960 --> 43:35.960
road that leads from collector to the

1051
43:36.240 --> 43:38.696
proposed quarry is only part of our

1052
43:38.720 --> 43:41.335
responsibility. I've seen collector last

1053
43:41.359 --> 43:44.295
night and there was a level of concern

1054
43:44.319 --> 43:46.295
which was pulled war about the

1055
43:46.319 --> 43:49.319
consequences of this um extension should

1056
43:50.880 --> 43:53.656
it go forward because

1057
43:53.680 --> 43:56.055
this high neighboring block of land by

1058
43:56.079 --> 43:59.079
about 200 m entirely in the giant the

1059
44:00.160 --> 44:03.160
whole proposal. So notwithstanding the

1060
44:03.440 --> 44:05.896
recommendation I felt that if it would

1061
44:05.920 --> 44:07.976
it had got up then it would be

1062
44:08.000 --> 44:10.536
facilitating the other part of the

1063
44:10.560 --> 44:12.856
development and the other part of burn

1064
44:12.880 --> 44:15.335
has concerns for the residents of PLA.

1065
44:15.359 --> 44:18.359
I've seen at least one submission

1066
44:18.720 --> 44:21.176
u about those concerns and about health

1067
44:21.200 --> 44:23.416
and the environment and all the sorts of

1068
44:23.440 --> 44:25.736
things you'd expect when you have a

1069
44:25.760 --> 44:28.760
quarry next door that could be blasting

1070
44:29.119 --> 44:31.575
um for so many hours of the day and so

1071
44:31.599 --> 44:33.016
many days of the week and the truck

1072
44:33.040 --> 44:34.616
movements or whatever. So it's very

1073
44:34.640 --> 44:37.640
complex issue. The road part is the easy

1074
44:37.920 --> 44:40.295
bit. You fix the road I don't know if

1075
44:40.319 --> 44:42.856
you can fix the environment from the

1076
44:42.880 --> 44:45.880
quarry. So on that basis I felt that the

1077
44:46.079 --> 44:49.079
foreshadow motion would be best to uh

1078
44:49.359 --> 44:52.359
address the issues of residents and I

1079
44:52.400 --> 44:54.776
guess that's one of the roles we have is

1080
44:54.800 --> 44:57.800
to uh consider the concerns of residents

1081
44:58.240 --> 45:01.240
and provide and address that because the

1082
45:03.520 --> 45:06.520
quarry is in the parang regional council

1083
45:08.000 --> 45:10.456
local government area that they have put

1084
45:10.480 --> 45:13.256
up an objection to it. uh even though

1085
45:13.280 --> 45:15.016
it's a state significant it doesn't mean

1086
45:15.040 --> 45:16.936
that you can't object it means that you

1087
45:16.960 --> 45:19.960
might not get your addition but no I

1088
45:20.640 --> 45:23.640
feel there's it's a matter of social

1089
45:23.920 --> 45:26.776
conscience for me that uh I seek to

1090
45:26.800 --> 45:29.800
support the uh comments from and

1091
45:30.160 --> 45:32.936
submission from queen and parang I don't

1092
45:32.960 --> 45:35.095
think we had time to really look at it

1093
45:35.119 --> 45:38.055
and a lot of people weren't even aware

1094
45:38.079 --> 45:41.079
of it but you'd be pretty well sure by

1095
45:41.520 --> 45:43.176
the time we get around today having a

1096
45:43.200 --> 45:45.095
collective community out outreach

1097
45:45.119 --> 45:48.119
meeting. It will be a major concern.

1098
45:48.160 --> 45:51.160
This is our chance to provide it to the

1099
45:51.359 --> 45:53.176
residents through supporting the

1100
45:53.200 --> 45:55.335
submission from Queen Bear Regional

1101
45:55.359 --> 45:58.359
Council and my uh voice motion recommend

1102
46:02.160 --> 46:04.776
officer to finalize Lock and Shire

1103
46:04.800 --> 46:06.776
Council submission.

1104
46:06.800 --> 46:08.536
All right. Thank you councelor Sle and

1105
46:08.560 --> 46:10.776
look so we return to the original motion

1106
46:10.800 --> 46:12.055
to start with and I'll just ask the

1107
46:12.079 --> 46:13.256
acting director of government planning

1108
46:13.280 --> 46:14.696
if he's got any points he wishes to

1109
46:14.720 --> 46:16.376
emphasize on

1110
46:16.400 --> 46:18.295
can can we ask for um some clarification

1111
46:18.319 --> 46:19.976
I'm happy for you to raise this but it's

1112
46:20.000 --> 46:21.496
more of a clarification if that's okay

1113
46:21.520 --> 46:23.176
counselor for show

1114
46:23.200 --> 46:25.656
through the CEO thank you for your

1115
46:25.680 --> 46:28.295
foreshadow motion councelor s just to

1116
46:28.319 --> 46:30.696
confirm the intention is is that the CEO

1117
46:30.720 --> 46:32.696
would write a submission not an

1118
46:32.720 --> 46:34.295
objection is that right councelor

1119
46:34.319 --> 46:36.295
that's right yeah I think from the

1120
46:36.319 --> 46:38.216
advice I've had that although you might

1121
46:38.240 --> 46:39.815
object to something they'd have grounds

1122
46:39.839 --> 46:42.536
for objection and we don't necessarily

1123
46:42.560 --> 46:45.416
had the time to uh detail all those

1124
46:45.440 --> 46:48.440
grounds which will probably be in line

1125
46:48.800 --> 46:51.095
with those uh grounds that have been

1126
46:51.119 --> 46:53.256
articulated by Queenly and Power Rang

1127
46:53.280 --> 46:55.815
Regional Council. So this is in some

1128
46:55.839 --> 46:58.456
ways following their lead and are

1129
46:58.480 --> 47:01.480
showing support for their submission

1130
47:01.599 --> 47:04.295
which prevents the concerns of the

1131
47:04.319 --> 47:06.376
people in the area.

1132
47:06.400 --> 47:08.055
Yeah, thank you councelor cell.

1133
47:08.079 --> 47:09.815
The other component is is the original

1134
47:09.839 --> 47:12.055
motion included uh putting the voluntary

1135
47:12.079 --> 47:14.696
planning agreement on exhibition to seek

1136
47:14.720 --> 47:16.456
community feedback. I just want to

1137
47:16.480 --> 47:18.295
confirm your intention is to wait now

1138
47:18.319 --> 47:20.295
until the department makes a decision or

1139
47:20.319 --> 47:22.216
would your intention be to put it on and

1140
47:22.240 --> 47:23.656
receive objections from community

1141
47:23.680 --> 47:26.680
members. I think that I mean because of

1142
47:27.119 --> 47:30.119
the complexity if you can wait uh to

1143
47:30.640 --> 47:33.575
look at the BPA surely go forward

1144
47:33.599 --> 47:35.575
otherwise I think we'll be presenting a

1145
47:35.599 --> 47:38.599
confusing picture uh to residents that

1146
47:39.520 --> 47:41.416
would say please comment on this and by

1147
47:41.440 --> 47:43.016
the way we're not sure about the other

1148
47:43.040 --> 47:43.815
part of it.

1149
47:43.839 --> 47:45.736
Yeah. Thank you councelor S. The only

1150
47:45.760 --> 47:47.176
component I'll add is I'm not sure if

1151
47:47.200 --> 47:48.376
you've had a chance to read the

1152
47:48.400 --> 47:50.376
submission at the end it details the

1153
47:50.400 --> 47:52.055
need for an agreement to be in place.

1154
47:52.079 --> 47:53.736
the state ultimately will make the

1155
47:53.760 --> 47:55.575
decision, but we will in the letter the

1156
47:55.599 --> 47:57.256
CEO drafts will include a requirement

1157
47:57.280 --> 47:58.936
that they engage with us for the roads

1158
47:58.960 --> 48:00.456
and we can come back to it at a later

1159
48:00.480 --> 48:02.216
time. So,

1160
48:02.240 --> 48:04.376
if it's okay, mayor, I might then

1161
48:04.400 --> 48:06.696
introduce the paper or would you prefer

1162
48:06.720 --> 48:09.720
just to make a decision on the original

1163
48:09.920 --> 48:11.896
motion in the paper?

1164
48:11.920 --> 48:14.136
Uh,

1165
48:14.160 --> 48:15.575
well, we've got to deal with the

1166
48:15.599 --> 48:17.176
original motion,

1167
48:17.200 --> 48:18.295
so I might introduce it.

1168
48:18.319 --> 48:20.856
Yeah, absolutely. through the CO

1169
48:20.880 --> 48:23.016
councils. Earlier this year, it was a

1170
48:23.040 --> 48:24.696
resolution of this council that we would

1171
48:24.720 --> 48:26.616
bring all state significant development

1172
48:26.640 --> 48:28.856
submissions to council for endorsement.

1173
48:28.880 --> 48:31.335
I will advise again councils, there are

1174
48:31.359 --> 48:32.696
short windows and this being a

1175
48:32.720 --> 48:35.176
modification, there was only 14 days to

1176
48:35.200 --> 48:37.416
make a submission back to the

1177
48:37.440 --> 48:39.656
department. We were aware that there

1178
48:39.680 --> 48:41.335
were issues with cream and parallel but

1179
48:41.359 --> 48:43.335
in the the intent to get a submission in

1180
48:43.359 --> 48:44.856
within the time frame we made a

1181
48:44.880 --> 48:47.016
submission and you'll see in my

1182
48:47.040 --> 48:48.776
submission to the department we indicate

1183
48:48.800 --> 48:50.376
that this had not been endorsed by

1184
48:50.400 --> 48:52.136
counselors and we will be seeking your

1185
48:52.160 --> 48:54.136
feedback as you represent the community

1186
48:54.160 --> 48:55.496
and our intention is to provide

1187
48:55.520 --> 48:57.496
technical information on things that

1188
48:57.520 --> 49:00.136
impact uh whether it be roads or

1189
49:00.160 --> 49:01.335
whatever may be happening in the

1190
49:01.359 --> 49:03.176
proposed development. So before you

1191
49:03.200 --> 49:05.575
outlines the proposal also within there

1192
49:05.599 --> 49:07.016
there's a voluntary planning agreement

1193
49:07.040 --> 49:10.040
on offer by uh collector resources the

1194
49:11.119 --> 49:13.016
offer includes

1195
49:13.040 --> 49:14.696
uh effectively that they would pay for

1196
49:14.720 --> 49:16.776
the upgrade of the road. They requesting

1197
49:16.800 --> 49:18.456
the council do the work and they pay for

1198
49:18.480 --> 49:20.936
the work that the commissioning of and

1199
49:20.960 --> 49:22.776
the studies required would be paid for

1200
49:22.800 --> 49:25.016
by collector resources. they would pay

1201
49:25.040 --> 49:27.416
all the contributions required but they

1202
49:27.440 --> 49:29.256
requested to be able to use the road in

1203
49:29.280 --> 49:31.656
its current condition at 40 kilometers

1204
49:31.680 --> 49:34.680
an hour at the 50% hage rate. Um I put

1205
49:35.359 --> 49:37.335
it before you counselors and happy to

1206
49:37.359 --> 49:39.335
take questions.

1207
49:39.359 --> 49:41.416
Very good. Uh does anyone want to speak

1208
49:41.440 --> 49:44.440
for the motion or just questions?

1209
49:45.119 --> 49:47.656
So the proposal or the recommendation

1210
49:47.680 --> 49:50.616
from the council effectively gives an

1211
49:50.640 --> 49:53.496
opportunity then for community

1212
49:53.520 --> 49:55.496
consultation after that period. Is that

1213
49:55.520 --> 49:57.256
correct? Is I understood this correctly?

1214
49:57.280 --> 50:00.280
Uh well the original motion does it

1215
50:00.559 --> 50:02.535
suggest that we will put it um the

1216
50:02.559 --> 50:05.016
volunteer voluntary planning agreement

1217
50:05.040 --> 50:07.656
in the public on exhibition. Um so so

1218
50:07.680 --> 50:09.736
yes the public would get a say in that

1219
50:09.760 --> 50:12.760
regard. Um whereas what council s

1220
50:13.760 --> 50:15.815
indicated that if we go down the route

1221
50:15.839 --> 50:17.335
with his motion that would come at a

1222
50:17.359 --> 50:18.136
later date.

1223
50:18.160 --> 50:20.136
Yeah.

1224
50:20.160 --> 50:21.976
The recommendation is about the

1225
50:22.000 --> 50:25.000
voluntary pain agreement not about the

1226
50:25.440 --> 50:28.440
whole um project. So, and that's why I

1227
50:29.440 --> 50:31.736
feel if you can hold back on the issue

1228
50:31.760 --> 50:34.760
of the EPA, then we're not c notes in

1229
50:35.680 --> 50:38.680
terms of our position that might be

1230
50:38.880 --> 50:41.880
subject to debate and vote on the matter

1231
50:42.800 --> 50:44.776
of the project

1232
50:44.800 --> 50:46.456
because just to be clear the voluntary

1233
50:46.480 --> 50:48.696
planning grant which as councelor Silver

1234
50:48.720 --> 50:50.776
points out is the issue in terms of the

1235
50:50.800 --> 50:53.176
original motion it provides for I think

1236
50:53.200 --> 50:56.200
it was uh6 of a cent per ton per kmter.

1237
50:58.160 --> 51:00.216
uh something like that. It's it defines

1238
51:00.240 --> 51:03.095
the the benefit to uh the affected

1239
51:03.119 --> 51:05.496
showers whereas we're looking at it sort

1240
51:05.520 --> 51:07.575
of more generally

1241
51:07.599 --> 51:09.176
beyond the planning agreement I guess is

1242
51:09.200 --> 51:11.256
what I'm saying. Is there any other

1243
51:11.280 --> 51:13.815
questions on that uh motion? Yeah.

1244
51:13.839 --> 51:16.839
Sorry. Um

1245
51:16.960 --> 51:18.535
to be honest, I'm not sure if it's

1246
51:18.559 --> 51:20.616
relevant at this point, but um I feel I

1247
51:20.640 --> 51:22.936
have to ask the question

1248
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is the um I only heard about the

1249
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Queenang objection on the radio, so I've

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got absolutely zero detail on it. Have

1251
51:30.400 --> 51:33.400
they objected to the proposal in total

1252
51:33.839 --> 51:36.295
or they just lodged specific objections

1253
51:36.319 --> 51:37.815
to

1254
51:37.839 --> 51:40.839
particular aspects of the operation?

1255
51:40.960 --> 51:43.960
Um well look I I'll just briefly and the

1256
51:44.160 --> 51:45.736
director might have something to add but

1257
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I printed off only this morning. As I

1258
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said we've unfortunately had been given

1259
51:49.440 --> 51:51.976
very little time to look at this but

1260
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they have gone through on on about half

1261
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a dozen grounds and examined things like

1262
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the social impact and um the

1263
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environmental impacts and in each case

1264
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they've said that they don't believe it

1265
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complies with the the guidelines of the

1266
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act. And so they've they've formally

1267
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objected and you know we have the right

1268
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to do that as well. My personal view is

1269
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we just haven't had the time or the

1270
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resources to to to make the sort of

1271
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position CIA has. They've got a ninepage

1272
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submission detailed they've made very

1273
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detailed objections

1274
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through the CEO. Thank you for the

1275
52:27.040 --> 52:28.776
question councelor Pierce. Council

1276
52:28.800 --> 52:30.216
Bruce, we have a small team in

1277
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comparison to Premier Palerin and we

1278
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would be we would be reticent to add any

1279
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comment on something we weren't an

1280
52:36.400 --> 52:38.295
expert on or or concerned that could

1281
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muddy the waters for the regulatory

1282
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authorities such as the EPA. In their

1283
52:42.880 --> 52:44.616
submission, there is an outreach that

1284
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included 40 people from collector and

1285
52:47.280 --> 52:48.856
they did say they engaged and they've

1286
52:48.880 --> 52:50.136
identified in the report that they've

1287
52:50.160 --> 52:53.016
tried to address the concerns. Um so

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therefore from a staff point of view we

1289
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can take it on face value and raise the

1290
52:56.480 --> 52:58.696
objection on technical matters but

1291
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nonetheless counselors it's before you

1292
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and what decision you want to make and

1293
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how you want to move forward.

1294
53:03.520 --> 53:05.815
Thank you. Uh you have you got a

1295
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question or speaking

1296
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to speak against unless I don't need to.

1297
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Yeah. Well unless there's anyone

1298
53:12.720 --> 53:15.176
speaking for it. Um is is anyone

1299
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speaking for the motion? Probably not.

1300
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We probably have to leave at that front.

1301
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Um

1302
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motion withdraw

1303
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without having

1304
53:26.880 --> 53:28.376
just go to the next one.

1305
53:28.400 --> 53:31.400
That's that's up to.

1306
53:32.240 --> 53:34.136
All right. So the the move was councelor

1307
53:34.160 --> 53:36.776
Reynolds and council funny and um are

1308
53:36.800 --> 53:38.535
you happy to proceed with that motion or

1309
53:38.559 --> 53:40.535
there is the prospect if you feel more

1310
53:40.559 --> 53:43.416
strongly about the second to withdraw?

1311
53:43.440 --> 53:44.535
Okay. Thanks for that.

1312
53:44.559 --> 53:47.559
I'm happy for it to be withdrawn because

1313
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I only second that to allow it to be

1314
53:49.680 --> 53:51.416
debated. Absolutely. I understand.

1315
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And and I do want to see um that that's

1316
53:54.000 --> 53:54.535
report.

1317
53:54.559 --> 53:55.815
All right. Thanks for that. And that

1318
53:55.839 --> 53:57.496
probably speeds up where we look like

1319
53:57.520 --> 54:00.520
we're going to end up. So the motion um

1320
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the motion falls away. It's been

1321
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withdrawn and we'll now deal with the

1322
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foreshadowed motion of council.

1323
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Um he has already uh spoken to that and

1324
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it's it's now on the board. Um,

1325
54:14.800 --> 54:16.616
uh, have you got any? Well, I'll let you

1326
54:16.640 --> 54:19.176
close the debate perhaps afterwards, but

1327
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you got a second.

1328
54:21.599 --> 54:24.599
Well, that's true, too. That sorry. So,

1329
54:26.079 --> 54:27.976
Cameron a second of that motion. Um,

1330
54:28.000 --> 54:29.976
look, I I'll open the thing and just

1331
54:30.000 --> 54:33.000
speaking for the motion. Um, as has

1332
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already been said, uh, we we have had

1333
54:35.280 --> 54:37.335
just this week and even as early as this

1334
54:37.359 --> 54:39.416
morning, there was another we've had

1335
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half a dozen or so submissions from from

1336
54:42.319 --> 54:44.936
locals expressing concern to that. I I I

1337
54:44.960 --> 54:47.335
would have to say I'm not in a position

1338
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really to to give an intelligent

1339
54:49.440 --> 54:51.736
appraisal of uh the environmental

1340
54:51.760 --> 54:53.335
effects and everything else. But but I

1341
54:53.359 --> 54:55.095
think that gives me concern enough to

1342
54:55.119 --> 54:57.815
say that um you know we have to express

1343
54:57.839 --> 55:00.839
reservations and and uh you know I've

1344
55:01.359 --> 55:04.359
got great respect for the Queen Council

1345
55:04.559 --> 55:06.696
and their submission is very thorough

1346
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and they've raised a number of concerns

1347
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and you know on that basis on I'm

1348
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supporting of the sentiments expressed

1349
55:12.160 --> 55:14.776
by council. Does anyone want to speak

1350
55:14.800 --> 55:17.800
against the the motion

1351
55:17.839 --> 55:19.575
or is there any other comments to be

1352
55:19.599 --> 55:22.216
able to speak to it? Yeah, I'd like to

1353
55:22.240 --> 55:24.696
it as well.

1354
55:24.720 --> 55:27.496
Well, just a brief comment. It's not

1355
55:27.520 --> 55:29.496
really speaking for it, but yeah, ju

1356
55:29.520 --> 55:32.055
just very quickly if I may. Um, yeah,

1357
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all all all the points I thoroughly

1358
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agree with you, mayor. It's um uh very

1359
55:36.000 --> 55:38.376
limited time. I received an email on

1360
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this from a from a collector resident.

1361
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Um I tried to research the documents

1362
55:43.839 --> 55:46.136
that I could find. I could only find the

1363
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2008 uh the the early on agreements. I

1364
55:50.000 --> 55:51.656
couldn't find anything updating that.

1365
55:51.680 --> 55:54.680
So, I basically had nothing to um to see

1366
55:54.720 --> 55:57.720
that that this was current with current

1367
55:57.920 --> 56:00.456
um New South Wales government policy. Uh

1368
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and I just don't have enough to um to

1369
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enough information or time to gather the

1370
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information to make a uh informed

1371
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decision. So, I think we need the time.

1372
56:10.640 --> 56:13.640
Yeah. Thank you. Um Council came

1373
56:13.680 --> 56:15.496
uh given that no one is speaking against

1374
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this, I don't need know that I need to

1375
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speak for it. So, yeah. Very good. Well,

1376
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look, I'll let councelor S just close

1377
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the argument.

1378
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Okay. I too don't have any intelligent

1379
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sort of comment to make because not

1380
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because I'm not intelligent, but I'm

1381
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intelligent enough to know that I can't

1382
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talk about technical matters is outside

1383
56:33.520 --> 56:36.520
my context. What I can say is when um a

1384
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good argument is put forward by

1385
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residents about their concerns and

1386
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that's what you know part of the role of

1387
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a council is to listen and take that

1388
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concern forward. I hope that I've

1389
56:49.040 --> 56:52.040
achieved that because I go to collecture

1390
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fairly regularly. I don't expect to make

1391
56:55.040 --> 56:56.856
everyone happy. There'll be some people

1392
56:56.880 --> 56:59.095
for a lot of people against and their

1393
56:59.119 --> 57:02.119
concerns really are on a whole platform

1394
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of issues about the environment and the

1395
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health and the impact of the operation

1396
57:08.640 --> 57:10.856
on the quality of life. And you know

1397
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whether it's going to be 2008 truck

1398
57:12.799 --> 57:15.736
movements a day which sounds a recessive

1399
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or uh so many I think we have to listen

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very carefully

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because I have some degree of support.

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57:25.760 --> 57:28.216
All right. Thank you councel. Um and

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we'll just tidy that up in a minute. Um

1404
57:30.799 --> 57:32.856
the the just the numbering there in the

1405
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resolve just need to be updated.

1406
57:35.119 --> 57:36.456
Um

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no the bottom section.

1408
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Yes.

1409
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Oh yeah. Yeah. So, uh,

1410
57:43.119 --> 57:44.936
all right. Um, that close that closes

1411
57:44.960 --> 57:46.936
the debate. Um, I've got that motion.

1412
57:46.960 --> 57:49.256
All those in favor

1413
57:49.280 --> 57:50.376
council.

1414
57:50.400 --> 57:52.936
Thank you. Uh, was everyone for that

1415
57:52.960 --> 57:54.696
motion? Council Harris, you for it? Yep.

1416
57:54.720 --> 57:57.720
Unanimous. Thank you. Um,

1417
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that was item 11.4. We'll move on to

1418
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item 11.5.

1419
58:03.839 --> 58:06.616
um the public exhibition of the draft up

1420
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Oakland develop control pan plan. Um

1421
58:11.440 --> 58:14.440
I'd like to foreshadow um an amended

1422
58:15.280 --> 58:18.055
motion to that, but I'll just call for a

1423
58:18.079 --> 58:20.856
mover for the original motion. Uh

1424
58:20.880 --> 58:22.696
councelor Reynolds and I think seconded

1425
58:22.720 --> 58:25.720
by council Pierce. You want to for

1426
58:25.839 --> 58:27.416
Yeah. Uh thank you, Mr. Mayor. I'd like

1427
58:27.440 --> 58:30.295
to foreshadow an amendment to the motion

1428
58:30.319 --> 58:32.055
as well. It's actually an amendment to

1429
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the text of the document that we're

1430
58:33.520 --> 58:34.295
talking about.

1431
58:34.319 --> 58:37.319
All right. So, look, we've got two um

1432
58:37.760 --> 58:40.760
two amendments. Um being the mayor, I

1433
58:40.880 --> 58:43.880
will I put my amendment first.

1434
58:44.559 --> 58:45.095
No,

1435
58:45.119 --> 58:47.815
Ray has its privileges, sir. We're all

1436
58:47.839 --> 58:50.839
We're all equal in council's eyes. Um

1437
58:51.920 --> 58:52.616
second

1438
58:52.640 --> 58:55.640
Yes, absolutely. So the amendment that

1439
58:55.839 --> 58:58.839
um

1440
58:59.599 --> 59:01.736
I'm proposing is is just being put

1441
59:01.760 --> 59:04.760
forward there now. So I'd like to move

1442
59:04.799 --> 59:07.575
that motion. Um

1443
59:07.599 --> 59:08.936
you can just very quickly have a look at

1444
59:08.960 --> 59:10.696
that. But essentially what I'm proposing

1445
59:10.720 --> 59:13.720
to do is in the the section in relation

1446
59:14.240 --> 59:17.240
to electrical generation works there's a

1447
59:17.599 --> 59:20.216
number of um firstly I just would like

1448
59:20.240 --> 59:22.616
the definition of electrical generation

1449
59:22.640 --> 59:25.095
to include transmission infrastructure

1450
59:25.119 --> 59:27.016
just make it absolutely clear that the

1451
59:27.040 --> 59:29.016
transmission lines should be covered by

1452
59:29.040 --> 59:32.040
this. Um and and the other two points is

1453
59:32.880 --> 59:35.880
that when we did resolve as a council to

1454
59:36.240 --> 59:39.240
prioritize the updating of the uh DCP um

1455
59:40.400 --> 59:43.400
we specifically wanted it to

1456
59:43.920 --> 59:46.920
uh encompass the proliferation of wind

1457
59:47.680 --> 59:49.256
farms in our local government area

1458
59:49.280 --> 59:51.496
whereas the state government

1459
59:51.520 --> 59:54.055
uh state government planning things

1460
59:54.079 --> 59:55.976
really don't consider that they just

1461
59:56.000 --> 59:58.856
look at between turbines and I think as

1462
00:59:58.880 --> 01:00:01.496
this is our document um it needs to

1463
01:00:01.520 --> 01:00:03.575
reflect what we've talked about around

1464
01:00:03.599 --> 01:00:06.376
this table many times and and indeed

1465
01:00:06.400 --> 01:00:08.616
many of our constituents have expressed

1466
01:00:08.640 --> 01:00:11.176
a similar concern that is not against

1467
01:00:11.200 --> 01:00:13.416
renewal lineage at all but but against

1468
01:00:13.440 --> 01:00:15.736
the proliferation within our SH my

1469
01:00:15.760 --> 01:00:18.376
second amendment is second par change is

1470
01:00:18.400 --> 01:00:21.335
to just suggest that the broad the

1471
01:00:21.359 --> 01:00:24.136
community benefit must be broad and I

1472
01:00:24.160 --> 01:00:25.976
think we've all had concerns that that

1473
01:00:26.000 --> 01:00:28.535
is not always the case and that there is

1474
01:00:28.559 --> 01:00:29.496
you

1475
01:00:29.520 --> 01:00:32.376
large benefits to hosts but um

1476
01:00:32.400 --> 01:00:34.055
questionable benefits to the broader

1477
01:00:34.079 --> 01:00:36.456
community and I'd just like to emphasize

1478
01:00:36.480 --> 01:00:39.095
that point as well. Um so is anyone

1479
01:00:39.119 --> 01:00:41.736
prepared to second my motion

1480
01:00:41.760 --> 01:00:43.656
council Harris? Good. Good to have your

1481
01:00:43.680 --> 01:00:46.680
support.

1482
01:00:49.359 --> 01:00:51.496
Yes. Well, that's right. I apologize for

1483
01:00:51.520 --> 01:00:53.416
um throwing that in, but I just felt

1484
01:00:53.440 --> 01:00:55.896
that um particularly given our previous

1485
01:00:55.920 --> 01:00:58.456
motion in relation to DCP. Um the

1486
01:00:58.480 --> 01:01:00.055
consultants we had of course have looked

1487
01:01:00.079 --> 01:01:03.079
at this process in terms of how broad

1488
01:01:03.680 --> 01:01:05.815
DCP would work across any SH in the

1489
01:01:05.839 --> 01:01:07.496
state and I just feel this is something

1490
01:01:07.520 --> 01:01:10.055
that is specific to our area that I'd

1491
01:01:10.079 --> 01:01:11.896
like to see in the first draft. It is of

1492
01:01:11.920 --> 01:01:14.920
course true that um as this is going on

1493
01:01:15.680 --> 01:01:18.680
exhibition other people can similly

1494
01:01:19.760 --> 01:01:21.416
suggest that things we've got in there

1495
01:01:21.440 --> 01:01:23.496
are not correct or they can they can

1496
01:01:23.520 --> 01:01:25.416
suggest that we add things and and

1497
01:01:25.440 --> 01:01:27.256
council will consider that after the

1498
01:01:27.280 --> 01:01:29.416
exhibition period closes but I just

1499
01:01:29.440 --> 01:01:31.896
thought this was really important to be

1500
01:01:31.920 --> 01:01:34.920
in the upfront version of the document.

1501
01:01:36.559 --> 01:01:38.936
Um, is there anyone wants to speak?

1502
01:01:38.960 --> 01:01:40.376
Well, I've already spoken for it or

1503
01:01:40.400 --> 01:01:42.055
anyone against it or any questions?

1504
01:01:42.079 --> 01:01:45.079
I just have a question. Um, with this

1505
01:01:45.440 --> 01:01:48.440
amendment uh motion,

1506
01:01:49.119 --> 01:01:51.736
uh, should we

1507
01:01:51.760 --> 01:01:53.656
does council

1508
01:01:53.680 --> 01:01:56.535
um, support or add to this particular

1509
01:01:56.559 --> 01:01:59.016
one or is it a completely different so

1510
01:01:59.040 --> 01:02:00.295
we understand the whole picture?

1511
01:02:00.319 --> 01:02:02.295
A good question. I've cheated and

1512
01:02:02.319 --> 01:02:04.856
quieted on that earlier.

1513
01:02:04.880 --> 01:02:07.335
There can be multiple amendments. So you

1514
01:02:07.359 --> 01:02:09.016
can do the you can do an amendment in

1515
01:02:09.040 --> 01:02:10.535
one go. But of course the danger of

1516
01:02:10.559 --> 01:02:11.256
having

1517
01:02:11.280 --> 01:02:12.616
you know a whole lot of lengthy

1518
01:02:12.640 --> 01:02:15.256
amendments is that um if if you object

1519
01:02:15.280 --> 01:02:16.696
to one little bit the whole thing falls

1520
01:02:16.720 --> 01:02:19.016
over. So we're going to consider the

1521
01:02:19.040 --> 01:02:21.095
amendment separately.

1522
01:02:21.119 --> 01:02:24.119
Um and this amendment is basically

1523
01:02:24.400 --> 01:02:26.936
looking for an addition to the existing

1524
01:02:26.960 --> 01:02:29.575
DCP. Um

1525
01:02:29.599 --> 01:02:31.736
is there uh any other questions or yes

1526
01:02:31.760 --> 01:02:33.815
council me just by the mayor just a

1527
01:02:33.839 --> 01:02:36.839
point um G I think it is not where he

1528
01:02:38.079 --> 01:02:39.335
said uh

1529
01:02:39.359 --> 01:02:42.359
about financial compensation

1530
01:02:42.880 --> 01:02:45.575
um and this may be more pertinent to the

1531
01:02:45.599 --> 01:02:48.599
next table item um in relation to

1532
01:02:49.520 --> 01:02:52.520
compensation around linking housing

1533
01:02:52.640 --> 01:02:55.640
strategy to transition to renewables. So

1534
01:02:56.720 --> 01:02:59.256
would you prefer that maybe I table that

1535
01:02:59.280 --> 01:03:02.280
for the next table item or incorporate

1536
01:03:02.319 --> 01:03:04.616
it into this?

1537
01:03:04.640 --> 01:03:06.856
Um

1538
01:03:06.880 --> 01:03:09.880
well I mean this this is really

1539
01:03:10.880 --> 01:03:13.880
cuz financial comp compensation is quite

1540
01:03:14.160 --> 01:03:15.815
broad

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01:03:15.839 --> 01:03:18.839
um and because housing and and you know

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01:03:20.000 --> 01:03:23.000
transition to renewables is is interlin

1543
01:03:23.119 --> 01:03:25.575
in the in the DCP. I was just wondering

1544
01:03:25.599 --> 01:03:27.815
whether or not we could be more

1545
01:03:27.839 --> 01:03:29.015
specific.

1546
01:03:29.039 --> 01:03:29.416
Yeah.

1547
01:03:29.440 --> 01:03:30.456
Rather than just

1548
01:03:30.480 --> 01:03:32.456
Fair enough. The intention of my notion

1549
01:03:32.480 --> 01:03:35.480
there is is really that the the strict

1550
01:03:37.039 --> 01:03:40.039
contributions that developers are um

1551
01:03:40.720 --> 01:03:42.696
given by the partner planning I'm

1552
01:03:42.720 --> 01:03:45.095
suggesting is not is not adequate and

1553
01:03:45.119 --> 01:03:48.119
and needs to be to demonstrate a broad

1554
01:03:48.319 --> 01:03:50.535
community benefit. whereas I think the

1555
01:03:50.559 --> 01:03:52.616
impact on housing and things like that I

1556
01:03:52.640 --> 01:03:54.136
don't think we can really address that

1557
01:03:54.160 --> 01:03:56.136
in this to be honest

1558
01:03:56.160 --> 01:03:58.456
that would be more specific to an

1559
01:03:58.480 --> 01:04:00.055
individual area

1560
01:04:00.079 --> 01:04:01.896
whereas whereas this is you know across

1561
01:04:01.920 --> 01:04:04.920
any form of electrical development

1562
01:04:05.280 --> 01:04:06.856
is that okay

1563
01:04:06.880 --> 01:04:09.880
sorry to I know I'm being fitty picky um

1564
01:04:11.520 --> 01:04:13.896
touchy here but when you say electrical

1565
01:04:13.920 --> 01:04:16.920
generation um

1566
01:04:17.119 --> 01:04:18.775
unintended consequence of the language

1567
01:04:18.799 --> 01:04:20.696
which I know we're talking about wind

1568
01:04:20.720 --> 01:04:23.720
farms and everything else, but does that

1569
01:04:24.079 --> 01:04:27.079
could that be extended into uh domestic

1570
01:04:28.079 --> 01:04:29.896
solar with people who are feeding into

1571
01:04:29.920 --> 01:04:31.815
the grid because it's it seems to be

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01:04:31.839 --> 01:04:33.256
all-encompassing.

1573
01:04:33.280 --> 01:04:35.015
No, I'll come back to my comment, but

1574
01:04:35.039 --> 01:04:37.496
there's definitions in the DCP and and

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01:04:37.520 --> 01:04:39.496
that is a defined term and it

1576
01:04:39.520 --> 01:04:41.896
specifically excludes that.

1577
01:04:41.920 --> 01:04:43.496
Excellent. That's this just a

1578
01:04:43.520 --> 01:04:44.456
clarification.

1579
01:04:44.480 --> 01:04:47.015
Yeah. Um

1580
01:04:47.039 --> 01:04:50.039
All right. I think um if there's no

1581
01:04:50.160 --> 01:04:52.055
further questions,

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01:04:52.079 --> 01:04:55.079
we might put that motion.

1583
01:04:56.240 --> 01:04:59.240
Councelor Harris.

1584
01:05:00.480 --> 01:05:02.456
All right. So, uh that's moved and

1585
01:05:02.480 --> 01:05:04.456
seconded. Could I put that motion? All

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01:05:04.480 --> 01:05:05.496
those in favor?

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01:05:05.520 --> 01:05:06.936
I

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01:05:06.960 --> 01:05:09.496
I think that's unanous. So, that would

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01:05:09.520 --> 01:05:11.815
be adopted as a as an amendment to the

1590
01:05:11.839 --> 01:05:14.535
draft going submission. And now we just

1591
01:05:14.559 --> 01:05:17.559
consider councelor Cameron's amendment.

1592
01:05:17.760 --> 01:05:20.760
which I think um

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01:05:20.880 --> 01:05:23.416
we've got um just coming up on screen

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01:05:23.440 --> 01:05:26.440
now.

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01:05:29.680 --> 01:05:30.775
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

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01:05:30.799 --> 01:05:31.896
Yeah, if you'd like to speak to that.

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01:05:31.920 --> 01:05:34.920
Yeah, I I would. Um, a little while ago,

1598
01:05:36.799 --> 01:05:39.799
uh, in relation to the quarry, uh,

1599
01:05:40.319 --> 01:05:43.256
debate, councelor Sl said something

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01:05:43.280 --> 01:05:46.280
particularly wise, which was that if a

1601
01:05:46.960 --> 01:05:48.295
community member comes to you with a

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01:05:48.319 --> 01:05:50.136
well-reasoned argument, it's council's

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01:05:50.160 --> 01:05:51.736
responsibility

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01:05:51.760 --> 01:05:54.760
to act on it. Uh and since we were

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01:05:54.799 --> 01:05:57.799
elected uh 12 months ago, um I have

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01:05:58.319 --> 01:06:00.696
heard overwhelmingly

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01:06:00.720 --> 01:06:03.720
that our community uh uh is um uh

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01:06:05.920 --> 01:06:08.216
opposed in principle to any further

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01:06:08.240 --> 01:06:09.896
industrial scale wind turbine

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01:06:09.920 --> 01:06:12.376
development in particular.

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01:06:12.400 --> 01:06:14.696
uh and I think it would be useful if we

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01:06:14.720 --> 01:06:17.720
reflected that sentiment in our DCP and

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01:06:18.000 --> 01:06:20.936
where relevant in due course uh in other

1614
01:06:20.960 --> 01:06:23.815
strategic planning documents. Um, I'm

1615
01:06:23.839 --> 01:06:26.839
proposing that the um text on the screen

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01:06:26.960 --> 01:06:28.535
in front of you, which I will read out

1617
01:06:28.559 --> 01:06:30.456
loud given it is really only about seven

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01:06:30.480 --> 01:06:31.976
sentences,

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01:06:32.000 --> 01:06:35.000
um, be included as a preamble to section

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01:06:36.079 --> 01:06:39.079
D7 in the draft DCP before it goes out

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01:06:40.400 --> 01:06:43.400
for community consultation to show that

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01:06:43.440 --> 01:06:46.440
this council has listened and heard what

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01:06:46.559 --> 01:06:48.775
our community has been telling us for

1624
01:06:48.799 --> 01:06:51.799
the last 12 months. The sentiment is

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01:06:52.079 --> 01:06:54.456
residents of the upper Land SH have had

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01:06:54.480 --> 01:06:56.055
more than a quarter of a century of

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01:06:56.079 --> 01:06:57.575
lived experience of renewable energy

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01:06:57.599 --> 01:07:00.295
developments. As of 2025, more than half

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01:07:00.319 --> 01:07:02.055
of New South Wales wind farms are

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01:07:02.079 --> 01:07:04.616
located within the Shire. Council is not

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01:07:04.640 --> 01:07:06.376
at all opposed to renewable energy, but

1632
01:07:06.400 --> 01:07:08.136
it opposes in principle any further

1633
01:07:08.160 --> 01:07:10.936
industrial scale, repeat industrial

1634
01:07:10.960 --> 01:07:13.736
scale councelor Pierce, wind turbine

1635
01:07:13.760 --> 01:07:15.815
developments in our SH. Council

1636
01:07:15.839 --> 01:07:17.256
considers that the residents of the

1637
01:07:17.280 --> 01:07:19.496
upper Lachland Shire have done more than

1638
01:07:19.520 --> 01:07:21.256
their fair share of the heavy lifting of

1639
01:07:21.280 --> 01:07:23.416
the national energy transition. Council

1640
01:07:23.440 --> 01:07:25.496
further considers that the burden and

1641
01:07:25.520 --> 01:07:27.896
the impacts of the shift to renewables

1642
01:07:27.920 --> 01:07:30.920
should be shared far more equally across

1643
01:07:31.359 --> 01:07:33.575
other communities.

1644
01:07:33.599 --> 01:07:35.176
That's the principle in that's the

1645
01:07:35.200 --> 01:07:37.176
statement in principle. Then there is a

1646
01:07:37.200 --> 01:07:39.496
bit of a reality check because we are

1647
01:07:39.520 --> 01:07:41.656
mostly talking about state significant

1648
01:07:41.680 --> 01:07:43.416
developments. We are mostly talking

1649
01:07:43.440 --> 01:07:45.256
about tens of millions of dollars in

1650
01:07:45.280 --> 01:07:47.015
investment mostly from overseas and

1651
01:07:47.039 --> 01:07:48.775
council's ability to control that is

1652
01:07:48.799 --> 01:07:51.656
fairly limited. We can comment the final

1653
01:07:51.680 --> 01:07:54.216
paragraph of that in uh proposed amended

1654
01:07:54.240 --> 01:07:56.055
text is to comply with state and

1655
01:07:56.079 --> 01:07:57.656
commonwealth law subordinate regulations

1656
01:07:57.680 --> 01:08:00.216
andor guidelines where required. Council

1657
01:08:00.240 --> 01:08:01.736
will receive and assess development

1658
01:08:01.760 --> 01:08:04.376
applications for future renewable energy

1659
01:08:04.400 --> 01:08:06.775
generating projects on their merits and

1660
01:08:06.799 --> 01:08:09.496
according to this development control

1661
01:08:09.520 --> 01:08:12.520
plan. uh councilors, my my my argument

1662
01:08:13.520 --> 01:08:16.520
is here um that we are uh we should uh

1663
01:08:17.839 --> 01:08:20.456
reflect the fact that we have been both

1664
01:08:20.480 --> 01:08:22.616
listening and hearing what our

1665
01:08:22.640 --> 01:08:25.496
constituents have been telling us. Um

1666
01:08:25.520 --> 01:08:27.896
and uh in conjunction with the

1667
01:08:27.920 --> 01:08:29.815
amendments, the clar the clarifying

1668
01:08:29.839 --> 01:08:31.896
amendments that the mayor has succeeded

1669
01:08:31.920 --> 01:08:34.920
in uh editing this part of um the DCP.

1670
01:08:36.799 --> 01:08:38.056
uh together with this sort of a

1671
01:08:38.080 --> 01:08:39.815
statement, I think we've got a much more

1672
01:08:39.839 --> 01:08:41.416
comprehensive

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01:08:41.440 --> 01:08:44.440
um uh guidance uh and position statement

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01:08:46.799 --> 01:08:49.175
uh to both developers

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01:08:49.199 --> 01:08:52.199
uh uh and finances and residents and

1676
01:08:54.080 --> 01:08:57.080
advocates and other councils

1677
01:08:57.520 --> 01:09:00.456
um to pick up um uh to to understand

1678
01:09:00.480 --> 01:09:02.775
what it is that uh this council's this

1679
01:09:02.799 --> 01:09:05.799
this elected body's view view is. Just

1680
01:09:05.839 --> 01:09:07.175
before I finish, Mr. Mayor, can I say

1681
01:09:07.199 --> 01:09:10.199
that um I think the DCP uh in in Toto uh

1682
01:09:12.159 --> 01:09:14.215
uh with the exception of what I'm

1683
01:09:14.239 --> 01:09:16.295
classifying as an omission like this I'm

1684
01:09:16.319 --> 01:09:18.456
proposing to include is a terrific piece

1685
01:09:18.480 --> 01:09:20.056
of work and I think the CEO and the

1686
01:09:20.080 --> 01:09:23.080
acting director and his team should be

1687
01:09:23.120 --> 01:09:25.496
and the team from the car on consultants

1688
01:09:25.520 --> 01:09:27.016
I think should be commended in in

1689
01:09:27.040 --> 01:09:29.335
producing a a draft control plan

1690
01:09:29.359 --> 01:09:32.359
development control plan that is uh far

1691
01:09:32.640 --> 01:09:35.640
far more usable uh than its previous

1692
01:09:36.080 --> 01:09:38.936
version and with the exception of what

1693
01:09:38.960 --> 01:09:40.695
I'm proposing to include, I think I

1694
01:09:40.719 --> 01:09:42.135
think it's um I think it's a terrific

1695
01:09:42.159 --> 01:09:43.655
document. I'd be very pleased to put it

1696
01:09:43.679 --> 01:09:46.376
out uh for public consultation if this

1697
01:09:46.400 --> 01:09:47.735
text is included.

1698
01:09:47.759 --> 01:09:50.456
Yeah.

1699
01:09:50.480 --> 01:09:53.335
Um I might just perhaps uh before we

1700
01:09:53.359 --> 01:09:54.856
have a debate on that, I might just ask

1701
01:09:54.880 --> 01:09:57.655
the uh acting director of planning if

1702
01:09:57.679 --> 01:09:59.736
he's got any concerns or any comments in

1703
01:09:59.760 --> 01:10:00.695
relation to that

1704
01:10:00.719 --> 01:10:03.719
through the CEO. Uh thank you councelor.

1705
01:10:04.080 --> 01:10:06.456
This document uh essentially brings us

1706
01:10:06.480 --> 01:10:08.215
into the 21st century. The current

1707
01:10:08.239 --> 01:10:10.776
document is quite old. Uh and it

1708
01:10:10.800 --> 01:10:12.456
reflects the hopefully the standard we

1709
01:10:12.480 --> 01:10:14.456
want to have in Upper Lop moving forward

1710
01:10:14.480 --> 01:10:16.056
and as a planner it's a very exciting

1711
01:10:16.080 --> 01:10:18.695
document to bring before you. In terms

1712
01:10:18.719 --> 01:10:21.719
of the proposed motion, Mayor Carlain, I

1713
01:10:21.920 --> 01:10:24.376
would recommend consideration in regards

1714
01:10:24.400 --> 01:10:26.215
to the last paragraph. Council won't

1715
01:10:26.239 --> 01:10:28.376
assess and determine that these type of

1716
01:10:28.400 --> 01:10:30.936
works. So this should be reflected more

1717
01:10:30.960 --> 01:10:33.736
to consider

1718
01:10:33.760 --> 01:10:35.175
significant development. I'm not sure

1719
01:10:35.199 --> 01:10:37.496
whether wording could be could be could

1720
01:10:37.520 --> 01:10:40.520
be reviewed there. Um

1721
01:10:41.600 --> 01:10:43.576
yeah where it says council receive and

1722
01:10:43.600 --> 01:10:45.416
assess the development. So typically we

1723
01:10:45.440 --> 01:10:48.215
would do that we would make submissions

1724
01:10:48.239 --> 01:10:49.256
in relation to it.

1725
01:10:49.280 --> 01:10:50.776
So where the wording could be revised

1726
01:10:50.800 --> 01:10:53.016
there. happy with that council.

1727
01:10:53.040 --> 01:10:55.416
Consider rather than assess. up.

1728
01:10:55.440 --> 01:10:57.256
Uh we'll make submissions even I think

1729
01:10:57.280 --> 01:11:00.280
it's language and

1730
01:11:00.800 --> 01:11:03.736
uh if I could be so bold, we make

1731
01:11:03.760 --> 01:11:06.760
submissions

1732
01:11:08.000 --> 01:11:11.000
in accordance with the DCP standards and

1733
01:11:11.840 --> 01:11:14.840
other strategic documents

1734
01:11:15.199 --> 01:11:17.655
in relation to future renewable energy

1735
01:11:17.679 --> 01:11:18.936
generating products on their merits in

1736
01:11:18.960 --> 01:11:20.135
accordance to this development control

1737
01:11:20.159 --> 01:11:21.736
plan or potentially you could remove the

1738
01:11:21.760 --> 01:11:24.760
last development control plan.

1739
01:11:25.520 --> 01:11:28.135
Um, look, I just got

1740
01:11:28.159 --> 01:11:30.616
one other little nickpick. Mr. Mayor,

1741
01:11:30.640 --> 01:11:32.695
Mr. Mayor, M on indulgence, Mr. Mayor,

1742
01:11:32.719 --> 01:11:33.976
could you could we just wait until this

1743
01:11:34.000 --> 01:11:36.215
this particular edit is is done? I just

1744
01:11:36.239 --> 01:11:37.896
like to make sure that I don't lose the

1745
01:11:37.920 --> 01:11:39.976
gist of what I was looking to do. I've

1746
01:11:40.000 --> 01:11:42.376
had to

1747
01:11:42.400 --> 01:11:43.016
do

1748
01:11:43.040 --> 01:11:44.215
council make submissions in accordance

1749
01:11:44.239 --> 01:11:46.056
with this sense and other strategic

1750
01:11:46.080 --> 01:11:47.496
documents

1751
01:11:47.520 --> 01:11:49.976
in relation to future re renewable

1752
01:11:50.000 --> 01:11:52.456
energy generating projects on their well

1753
01:11:52.480 --> 01:11:53.736
potentially can get rid of on their

1754
01:11:53.760 --> 01:11:56.760
merits.

1755
01:11:57.600 --> 01:12:00.056
Yeah, end end projects.

1756
01:12:00.080 --> 01:12:01.496
Yeah, I think end of projects if that's

1757
01:12:01.520 --> 01:12:03.496
okay

1758
01:12:03.520 --> 01:12:05.096
before that in the sentence.

1759
01:12:05.120 --> 01:12:07.576
Yeah. uh councilors if you just bear

1760
01:12:07.600 --> 01:12:08.695
with me for just a minute while I

1761
01:12:08.719 --> 01:12:11.719
consider that

1762
01:12:12.159 --> 01:12:13.416
and if you want to make sure they're

1763
01:12:13.440 --> 01:12:15.416
council documents I'm happy or possibly

1764
01:12:15.440 --> 01:12:17.655
if you could say other council or other

1765
01:12:17.679 --> 01:12:19.496
Lachland shy council strategic documents

1766
01:12:19.520 --> 01:12:21.416
if you didn't want to just refer to

1767
01:12:21.440 --> 01:12:24.440
state based off

1768
01:12:27.199 --> 01:12:30.199
in relation to future

1769
01:12:35.360 --> 01:12:37.816
I'm I'm I'm happy with that. Uh that

1770
01:12:37.840 --> 01:12:40.376
that still picks up. It still it still

1771
01:12:40.400 --> 01:12:43.400
provides for me a reflection of the

1772
01:12:43.520 --> 01:12:46.376
community sentiment that I have heard uh

1773
01:12:46.400 --> 01:12:48.856
since I was elected which I am very keen

1774
01:12:48.880 --> 01:12:51.880
to reflect. Uh and I think it then still

1775
01:12:52.320 --> 01:12:55.256
says that we're going to

1776
01:12:55.280 --> 01:12:57.576
it's it's almost a however. We will

1777
01:12:57.600 --> 01:12:59.976
still obviously go do what we are

1778
01:13:00.000 --> 01:13:03.000
required to do under the law through

1779
01:13:03.679 --> 01:13:05.175
getting our CEO

1780
01:13:05.199 --> 01:13:07.736
see that last sentence cuz it's sort of

1781
01:13:07.760 --> 01:13:10.760
I got 3/4 of the way through. Okay. So

1782
01:13:11.840 --> 01:13:14.840
part of state and common law regulations

1783
01:13:15.840 --> 01:13:18.536
and or guidelines were required.

1784
01:13:18.560 --> 01:13:19.736
Yeah.

1785
01:13:19.760 --> 01:13:22.760
The warm commission in accordance with

1786
01:13:22.880 --> 01:13:25.175
federal control standards and other

1787
01:13:25.199 --> 01:13:27.096
strategic documents in relation to

1788
01:13:27.120 --> 01:13:29.175
future renewable energy generating

1789
01:13:29.199 --> 01:13:31.175
projects.

1790
01:13:31.199 --> 01:13:32.376
I made a comment.

1791
01:13:32.400 --> 01:13:34.456
Oh, actually,

1792
01:13:34.480 --> 01:13:36.616
can I can I suggest that the clause that

1793
01:13:36.640 --> 01:13:39.640
says in relation to futurable energy

1794
01:13:39.760 --> 01:13:41.496
generating projects gets promoted up in

1795
01:13:41.520 --> 01:13:44.520
the in the paragraph? Um, so that we

1796
01:13:44.560 --> 01:13:46.456
finish with DCP standards and other

1797
01:13:46.480 --> 01:13:48.056
documents. Uh, that's the end of the

1798
01:13:48.080 --> 01:13:51.080
sentence. Um, to comply with

1799
01:13:51.679 --> 01:13:53.416
council will make submissions in

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01:13:53.440 --> 01:13:56.440
relation to future. Yeah, put that's it.

1801
01:13:57.679 --> 01:13:59.496
makes emissions in relation to future

1802
01:13:59.520 --> 01:14:01.256
renewable and in accordance with Yeah,

1803
01:14:01.280 --> 01:14:02.856
that works.

1804
01:14:02.880 --> 01:14:05.880
Yep. Thank you. Thanks, councelor.

1805
01:14:07.440 --> 01:14:10.440
Council myself

1806
01:14:12.320 --> 01:14:15.320
is it usual to have a preamble

1807
01:14:16.159 --> 01:14:19.159
in the body of a document like this or

1808
01:14:19.280 --> 01:14:21.816
could that preamble go as by way of

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01:14:21.840 --> 01:14:24.296
introduction to the development control

1810
01:14:24.320 --> 01:14:27.320
plan?

1811
01:14:28.080 --> 01:14:31.080
Um, it probably isn't. Um, council, it

1812
01:14:31.440 --> 01:14:33.976
probably isn't typical to do this, but

1813
01:14:34.000 --> 01:14:35.576
just because things are atypical doesn't

1814
01:14:35.600 --> 01:14:38.296
mean they're not worthy. Um, people are

1815
01:14:38.320 --> 01:14:40.856
going to go to the section dealing with

1816
01:14:40.880 --> 01:14:43.880
the uh proposed development in the in

1817
01:14:44.239 --> 01:14:46.856
the plan. Um, and I think if they're

1818
01:14:46.880 --> 01:14:48.856
going to the section in the in the in

1819
01:14:48.880 --> 01:14:50.776
the DCP that deals with with an

1820
01:14:50.800 --> 01:14:52.856
electricity generating work, then this

1821
01:14:52.880 --> 01:14:54.376
is the thing that they will see first

1822
01:14:54.400 --> 01:14:56.456
and they will understand a position on

1823
01:14:56.480 --> 01:14:59.480
it. And I think it's a I think it's a I

1824
01:14:59.600 --> 01:15:01.175
think it's an accurately reflective

1825
01:15:01.199 --> 01:15:04.199
position and I think it then also says

1826
01:15:04.560 --> 01:15:06.936
notwithstanding that we have to comply

1827
01:15:06.960 --> 01:15:08.215
with the law and here's how we're going

1828
01:15:08.239 --> 01:15:09.576
to do it. we're going to comply with,

1829
01:15:09.600 --> 01:15:11.416
we're going to make submissions to, it's

1830
01:15:11.440 --> 01:15:12.616
going to be in accordance with the

1831
01:15:12.640 --> 01:15:14.376
standards articulated below. And that

1832
01:15:14.400 --> 01:15:16.936
last paragraph does exactly that.

1833
01:15:16.960 --> 01:15:19.960
Notice just um I just want to

1834
01:15:22.719 --> 01:15:24.296
just a couple of things in terms of

1835
01:15:24.320 --> 01:15:27.320
getting the motion right. Um firstly

1836
01:15:27.920 --> 01:15:29.816
u might want to consider like the the

1837
01:15:29.840 --> 01:15:32.840
actual section is on electrical

1838
01:15:33.120 --> 01:15:35.096
generating

1839
01:15:35.120 --> 01:15:37.976
um installations whereas this deals only

1840
01:15:38.000 --> 01:15:40.135
with wind farms. So I don't know whether

1841
01:15:40.159 --> 01:15:42.936
you want to reference course.

1842
01:15:42.960 --> 01:15:45.416
Well yeah but I'm just saying the DCP

1843
01:15:45.440 --> 01:15:47.976
doesn't look at as renewable. It's it's

1844
01:15:48.000 --> 01:15:51.000
the section is in relation to electrical

1845
01:15:51.120 --> 01:15:52.695
generating equipment like which

1846
01:15:52.719 --> 01:15:55.336
encompasses that but it's not all of it.

1847
01:15:55.360 --> 01:15:57.416
So in terms of a well that's all I'm

1848
01:15:57.440 --> 01:15:59.416
saying is that they might say this

1849
01:15:59.440 --> 01:16:02.296
component of the electrical generation

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01:16:02.320 --> 01:16:05.320
uh because if it is a an overarching

1851
01:16:06.719 --> 01:16:08.616
statement it's it actually only deals

1852
01:16:08.640 --> 01:16:11.336
with one component of that section and

1853
01:16:11.360 --> 01:16:12.616
the second comment I was just going to

1854
01:16:12.640 --> 01:16:15.256
make is that the comment about half of

1855
01:16:15.280 --> 01:16:17.336
the state's wind farms I'm not sure is

1856
01:16:17.360 --> 01:16:19.576
correct but my understanding is we had

1857
01:16:19.600 --> 01:16:22.296
10 of 21 whereas we've got half the

1858
01:16:22.320 --> 01:16:23.416
turbines

1859
01:16:23.440 --> 01:16:25.096
but 10 of the turbines turbine the

1860
01:16:25.120 --> 01:16:27.175
turbines was the stat we've been quoting

1861
01:16:27.199 --> 01:16:29.976
like 53% of turbines

1862
01:16:30.000 --> 01:16:31.576
that's not correct actually it's the

1863
01:16:31.600 --> 01:16:33.976
actual projects so if you look at the

1864
01:16:34.000 --> 01:16:37.000
number of projects for renewables

1865
01:16:38.400 --> 01:16:41.400
um industrial wind turbines we have had

1866
01:16:42.480 --> 01:16:45.016
51 or 53%

1867
01:16:45.040 --> 01:16:47.655
of those total projects not the number

1868
01:16:47.679 --> 01:16:49.256
of turbines because there are other

1869
01:16:49.280 --> 01:16:52.056
projects with more turbines than us

1870
01:16:52.080 --> 01:16:54.456
all right well that's not definitely not

1871
01:16:54.480 --> 01:16:56.376
that I've got I've got a list of the

1872
01:16:56.400 --> 01:16:58.536
turbines we have relative to the state's

1873
01:16:58.560 --> 01:17:01.016
turbines and that is over 50%. Whereas

1874
01:17:01.040 --> 01:17:03.976
there is projects like the Ry Park which

1875
01:17:04.000 --> 01:17:06.215
accounted as upland which are actually

1876
01:17:06.239 --> 01:17:09.239
other councils as well. Um, so anyway,

1877
01:17:09.760 --> 01:17:12.760
it's just um to me the turbine is

1878
01:17:12.800 --> 01:17:15.175
maybe you could say renewable energy

1879
01:17:15.199 --> 01:17:18.199
being a component of

1880
01:17:18.560 --> 01:17:21.560
technology maybe it could be amended to

1881
01:17:21.760 --> 01:17:24.376
terms of what was the electrical what

1882
01:17:24.400 --> 01:17:25.175
was it

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01:17:25.199 --> 01:17:27.816
electrical generating

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01:17:27.840 --> 01:17:30.840
may maybe after the word renewables just

1885
01:17:30.960 --> 01:17:33.960
saying comma being a component of

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01:17:34.480 --> 01:17:36.456
natural yeah otherwise

1887
01:17:36.480 --> 01:17:38.936
just to make it more specific

1888
01:17:38.960 --> 01:17:40.616
Well, everything's everything's meant to

1889
01:17:40.640 --> 01:17:42.456
be in relation to electrical generating

1890
01:17:42.480 --> 01:17:44.056
things whereas we're saying this is just

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01:17:44.080 --> 01:17:45.576
a component.

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Mr. Mayor, may I uh if that's all right.

1893
01:17:49.760 --> 01:17:51.655
So, I'm interested in council me's

1894
01:17:51.679 --> 01:17:53.736
proposed amendment which I'm I'm open to

1895
01:17:53.760 --> 01:17:55.736
hearing. Um if councelor Yelers could

1896
01:17:55.760 --> 01:17:58.760
just lean back a bit over

1897
01:17:59.360 --> 01:18:01.336
I was just saying f further further to

1898
01:18:01.360 --> 01:18:03.976
the mayor's point where it says the word

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01:18:04.000 --> 01:18:07.000
um

1900
01:18:07.040 --> 01:18:10.040
of renewable energy developments,

1901
01:18:10.159 --> 01:18:12.936
being a component of electrical

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01:18:12.960 --> 01:18:14.536
generation. Is that what you're

1903
01:18:14.560 --> 01:18:16.056
Yeah. Well, it was more the wind point

1904
01:18:16.080 --> 01:18:18.135
to be honest. Like the next line says to

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01:18:18.159 --> 01:18:20.536
yourself cuz renewable energy does they

1906
01:18:20.560 --> 01:18:23.016
are all renewable energy things whereas

1907
01:18:23.040 --> 01:18:25.736
wind farms only one part of the

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01:18:25.760 --> 01:18:27.816
electrical generation.

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01:18:27.840 --> 01:18:29.655
Yeah, but that that's technically

1910
01:18:29.679 --> 01:18:31.976
correct and segways.

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01:18:32.000 --> 01:18:33.416
All right. Yeah, I suppose it does at

1912
01:18:33.440 --> 01:18:35.655
least because if we're putting it as

1913
01:18:35.679 --> 01:18:36.936
relating the whole section

1914
01:18:36.960 --> 01:18:38.536
into the context,

1915
01:18:38.560 --> 01:18:39.736
that's all you wanted to do.

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01:18:39.760 --> 01:18:41.336
That's right. Yeah, cuz it's it's got to

1917
01:18:41.360 --> 01:18:42.856
be relevant to the whole section.

1918
01:18:42.880 --> 01:18:44.456
So, you still get your point across and

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01:18:44.480 --> 01:18:46.296
you get what you need.

1920
01:18:46.320 --> 01:18:46.936
Sorry. Um,

1921
01:18:46.960 --> 01:18:49.096
does anyone want to speak uh against the

1922
01:18:49.120 --> 01:18:52.120
motion or any questions? Question in

1923
01:18:52.960 --> 01:18:54.936
principle, I I like the first three

1924
01:18:54.960 --> 01:18:57.960
paragraphs of cabinet thing. I'm just a

1925
01:18:58.000 --> 01:18:59.496
little bit concerned as to the last

1926
01:18:59.520 --> 01:19:01.816
paragraph and and the fact that at the

1927
01:19:01.840 --> 01:19:03.576
end of the day, DCP, we have to we have

1928
01:19:03.600 --> 01:19:06.536
to comply across the whole DCP to state

1929
01:19:06.560 --> 01:19:08.536
government awards anyway. M

1930
01:19:08.560 --> 01:19:11.096
so by putting it specifically in that

1931
01:19:11.120 --> 01:19:14.120
section I think it's it's it's softening

1932
01:19:15.840 --> 01:19:18.840
or giving a mixed message in my view in

1933
01:19:18.880 --> 01:19:21.655
relation to this particular subject

1934
01:19:21.679 --> 01:19:23.336
that comment in compliant state

1935
01:19:23.360 --> 01:19:26.056
government support that there should be

1936
01:19:26.080 --> 01:19:28.616
encompass the whole document as opposed

1937
01:19:28.640 --> 01:19:31.016
to just not in particular to renewables

1938
01:19:31.040 --> 01:19:32.536
because I think it just down the

1939
01:19:32.560 --> 01:19:35.560
renewables part in my view.

1940
01:19:37.120 --> 01:19:39.496
Uh well, if you're proposing or you

1941
01:19:39.520 --> 01:19:42.215
asking the the member to amend his

1942
01:19:42.239 --> 01:19:43.896
motion, he consider that.

1943
01:19:43.920 --> 01:19:46.456
Yeah. Uh thanks. Thanks, Mr. Mayor.

1944
01:19:46.480 --> 01:19:49.256
Council, thanks. Thanks for that. Um I I

1945
01:19:49.280 --> 01:19:51.896
would much prefer it to stay in uh as as

1946
01:19:51.920 --> 01:19:53.496
as

1947
01:19:53.520 --> 01:19:56.376
uh reddrafted now that that final

1948
01:19:56.400 --> 01:19:59.400
paragraph. Uh and that's um because uh

1949
01:20:00.880 --> 01:20:02.856
the it it essentially relates to the

1950
01:20:02.880 --> 01:20:04.856
point I was talking about before to

1951
01:20:04.880 --> 01:20:06.936
councelor Surl

1952
01:20:06.960 --> 01:20:09.416
um the first place that someone will go

1953
01:20:09.440 --> 01:20:12.440
to in our DCP uh is is the chapter or is

1954
01:20:13.360 --> 01:20:15.336
the section on on that deals with what

1955
01:20:15.360 --> 01:20:18.296
they are proposing to do. Uh, and this

1956
01:20:18.320 --> 01:20:21.320
this says uh that um this says that we

1957
01:20:22.480 --> 01:20:24.135
we we don't really want any more of

1958
01:20:24.159 --> 01:20:26.135
these things, but if you persist with

1959
01:20:26.159 --> 01:20:28.135
this and it's an SSD, a state

1960
01:20:28.159 --> 01:20:30.135
significant development, it will be

1961
01:20:30.159 --> 01:20:31.976
handled in accordance with the law and

1962
01:20:32.000 --> 01:20:34.776
with the standards that follow in the in

1963
01:20:34.800 --> 01:20:37.800
the in in the DCP, which is I think

1964
01:20:38.000 --> 01:20:40.376
they're a reasonable start. I think

1965
01:20:40.400 --> 01:20:42.936
we'll hear quite significant um comment

1966
01:20:42.960 --> 01:20:44.376
on this from members of the community

1967
01:20:44.400 --> 01:20:47.336
when it goes out. Um, but un unless we

1968
01:20:47.360 --> 01:20:49.336
tie it to the standards that follow

1969
01:20:49.360 --> 01:20:51.016
through a paragraph like this, it's just

1970
01:20:51.040 --> 01:20:53.175
a it's just a sentiment floating in thin

1971
01:20:53.199 --> 01:20:55.016
air. And that's what I was trying to

1972
01:20:55.040 --> 01:20:58.040
avoid by writing it like this.

1973
01:20:58.239 --> 01:20:59.576
All right. So, look, if we've settled on

1974
01:20:59.600 --> 01:21:01.816
a motion, could I call for a second for

1975
01:21:01.840 --> 01:21:04.376
that motion? Councelor Pierce seconded

1976
01:21:04.400 --> 01:21:07.400
it. Um I think I think council Cameron

1977
01:21:08.000 --> 01:21:09.416
just more or less spoken to it. Is there

1978
01:21:09.440 --> 01:21:12.440
anyone wants to speak against it?

1979
01:21:13.520 --> 01:21:16.520
Yeah. Council my only concern is that

1980
01:21:16.640 --> 01:21:19.640
this is um an expression of a sentiment

1981
01:21:21.199 --> 01:21:24.056
which is this time document will last

1982
01:21:24.080 --> 01:21:27.080
longer than just this time. So it may

1983
01:21:27.520 --> 01:21:30.056
become a historical thing far back in

1984
01:21:30.080 --> 01:21:32.776
2025. This is what it comes for and as

1985
01:21:32.800 --> 01:21:35.496
it's reviewed on a regular basis it may

1986
01:21:35.520 --> 01:21:37.336
become updated and that's why I was

1987
01:21:37.360 --> 01:21:39.175
concerned about the pre the preamble

1988
01:21:39.199 --> 01:21:41.976
will be in the middle of the anvil.

1989
01:21:42.000 --> 01:21:43.496
Thanks. Thank you councelor S. Anyone

1990
01:21:43.520 --> 01:21:46.520
else want to speak for the motion.

1991
01:21:47.040 --> 01:21:48.616
Another thing I just point out that like

1992
01:21:48.640 --> 01:21:50.296
while this is important because it is

1993
01:21:50.320 --> 01:21:52.776
coming out on exhibition uh it will

1994
01:21:52.800 --> 01:21:55.416
return to the table. Um the public will

1995
01:21:55.440 --> 01:21:57.175
have a say on it. they might think my

1996
01:21:57.199 --> 01:21:59.655
emotion is not particularly smart or any

1997
01:21:59.679 --> 01:22:01.416
any other things they might have which

1998
01:22:01.440 --> 01:22:04.440
we will then uh have the opportunity to

1999
01:22:05.120 --> 01:22:06.776
revisit this once more that not just

2000
01:22:06.800 --> 01:22:09.416
this but the whole document. Um all

2001
01:22:09.440 --> 01:22:12.440
right if there's no further um anyone

2002
01:22:12.719 --> 01:22:15.576
speaking for it just let close the bay

2003
01:22:15.600 --> 01:22:17.336
if you need to and and then we'll put

2004
01:22:17.360 --> 01:22:17.976
the motion.

2005
01:22:18.000 --> 01:22:19.496
Uh thank you councilors and and thank

2006
01:22:19.520 --> 01:22:21.976
you to thank you to the director for

2007
01:22:22.000 --> 01:22:25.000
constructive input. Um uh just just to

2008
01:22:25.360 --> 01:22:27.736
reiterate uh we were elected to

2009
01:22:27.760 --> 01:22:29.655
represent community views and I have

2010
01:22:29.679 --> 01:22:32.679
heard not but this sentiment um uh

2011
01:22:32.719 --> 01:22:35.256
that's not entirely true. I have I have

2012
01:22:35.280 --> 01:22:37.816
misspoken there. Uh I have heard

2013
01:22:37.840 --> 01:22:39.896
overwhelmingly nothing but this

2014
01:22:39.920 --> 01:22:42.536
sentiment. Uh since I was elected 12

2015
01:22:42.560 --> 01:22:45.096
since we were all elected uh 12 or so

2016
01:22:45.120 --> 01:22:48.120
months ago uh that um um uh renewable

2017
01:22:49.520 --> 01:22:51.816
energy is a is a fine thing. generally

2018
01:22:51.840 --> 01:22:53.816
emissions uh carbon based emissions must

2019
01:22:53.840 --> 01:22:55.896
be reduced. But we have done so much for

2020
01:22:55.920 --> 01:22:58.296
the last quarter of a century in that

2021
01:22:58.320 --> 01:23:01.320
work uh and that um this um uh this sort

2022
01:23:02.000 --> 01:23:03.976
of sentiment should be reflected uh in

2023
01:23:04.000 --> 01:23:05.816
our in our planning documents and I view

2024
01:23:05.840 --> 01:23:08.840
this as the first step um and there will

2025
01:23:08.880 --> 01:23:10.376
be other opportunities to reflect

2026
01:23:10.400 --> 01:23:13.400
similar sentiment should that community

2027
01:23:13.520 --> 01:23:15.576
uh wish prevail over the time. So I

2028
01:23:15.600 --> 01:23:17.816
thank you for your consideration and uh

2029
01:23:17.840 --> 01:23:20.840
look forward to uh your vote. All right.

2030
01:23:21.280 --> 01:23:23.016
Thank you, Councelor Cameron. Um,

2031
01:23:23.040 --> 01:23:25.016
that'll close the debate. All those in

2032
01:23:25.040 --> 01:23:25.736
favor?

2033
01:23:25.760 --> 01:23:28.760
I I think that's all unanimous. It's

2034
01:23:28.800 --> 01:23:31.800
passed.

2035
01:23:32.639 --> 01:23:34.296
Um,

2036
01:23:34.320 --> 01:23:36.695
we'll move on now to item 12 in the

2037
01:23:36.719 --> 01:23:38.376
infrastructure department. I'll be

2038
01:23:38.400 --> 01:23:40.456
pardon.

2039
01:23:40.480 --> 01:23:40.936
No,

2040
01:23:40.960 --> 01:23:42.215
we've still got another matter to deal

2041
01:23:42.239 --> 01:23:44.536
with

2042
01:23:44.560 --> 01:23:46.456
planning which is in relation to the

2043
01:23:46.480 --> 01:23:49.096
public exhibition of the upper lock and

2044
01:23:49.120 --> 01:23:52.120
housing strategy on page 143.

2045
01:23:52.719 --> 01:23:55.655
Um there's a recommendation there. Could

2046
01:23:55.679 --> 01:23:57.416
I have a move for that motion? Move

2047
01:23:57.440 --> 01:24:00.440
council seconded council Pierce. Um

2048
01:24:01.360 --> 01:24:04.135
excuse me there may I ask a question

2049
01:24:04.159 --> 01:24:05.655
just on this please? Certainly.

2050
01:24:05.679 --> 01:24:07.655
Um before we go into it because I'm a

2051
01:24:07.679 --> 01:24:10.679
bit unsure about the process. Um, if if

2052
01:24:11.920 --> 01:24:14.296
I am seeking an amendment to this

2053
01:24:14.320 --> 01:24:17.016
motion, do I need to put a foreshadowed

2054
01:24:17.040 --> 01:24:18.135
motion up front?

2055
01:24:18.159 --> 01:24:20.056
Well, I guess the the issue the only

2056
01:24:20.080 --> 01:24:22.615
issue is if you're completely

2057
01:24:22.639 --> 01:24:24.536
against the like it's the opposite of

2058
01:24:24.560 --> 01:24:26.376
what's put forward, it it has to be a

2059
01:24:26.400 --> 01:24:28.376
foreshadowed amendment. Uh, whereas

2060
01:24:28.400 --> 01:24:30.615
otherwise can just be an amendment. If

2061
01:24:30.639 --> 01:24:32.615
if it's just if you're you're happy with

2062
01:24:32.639 --> 01:24:33.976
what's already there against it. I'm

2063
01:24:34.000 --> 01:24:34.536
just

2064
01:24:34.560 --> 01:24:36.135
if you just want to add if you just want

2065
01:24:36.159 --> 01:24:38.215
to add to it then then you would just

2066
01:24:38.239 --> 01:24:40.776
say an amendment.

2067
01:24:40.800 --> 01:24:43.336
I didn't hear councelor Pierce is dying

2068
01:24:43.360 --> 01:24:44.695
over.

2069
01:24:44.719 --> 01:24:47.016
Yes. So if you're not uh if you're happy

2070
01:24:47.040 --> 01:24:48.695
with the sentiments already expressed

2071
01:24:48.719 --> 01:24:50.135
but you want to add to it, you just want

2072
01:24:50.159 --> 01:24:52.296
to amend the motion then you can just

2073
01:24:52.320 --> 01:24:54.215
foreshadow an amendment

2074
01:24:54.239 --> 01:24:56.135
and not not a motion. You you can just

2075
01:24:56.159 --> 01:24:58.215
move an amendment and then we would deal

2076
01:24:58.239 --> 01:24:59.336
with that amendment.

2077
01:24:59.360 --> 01:25:00.615
All right. Thank you.

2078
01:25:00.639 --> 01:25:01.816
So, you want to do that?

2079
01:25:01.840 --> 01:25:04.776
Yes. I I want to amend

2080
01:25:04.800 --> 01:25:06.296
add to it.

2081
01:25:06.320 --> 01:25:07.256
Okay. So,

2082
01:25:07.280 --> 01:25:09.496
cuz I don't disagree with all of it. I

2083
01:25:09.520 --> 01:25:12.520
would just like it to be added to.

2084
01:25:12.719 --> 01:25:14.856
All right. So, if that's the case, you

2085
01:25:14.880 --> 01:25:16.215
you just have to tell us what your

2086
01:25:16.239 --> 01:25:18.695
amendment is and then we'll get a second

2087
01:25:18.719 --> 01:25:20.135
and and deal with that motion.

2088
01:25:20.159 --> 01:25:20.776
Okay.

2089
01:25:20.800 --> 01:25:22.615
So, we've got the three components up

2090
01:25:22.639 --> 01:25:24.215
there. Do you just want to add a point

2091
01:25:24.239 --> 01:25:25.175
or

2092
01:25:25.199 --> 01:25:28.056
Okay. So um just just to the draft

2093
01:25:28.080 --> 01:25:29.655
actually I just want the draft to be

2094
01:25:29.679 --> 01:25:32.679
added to um to incorporate two pieces um

2095
01:25:34.560 --> 01:25:36.936
because of the scope of the actual

2096
01:25:36.960 --> 01:25:39.960
project was to um review current housing

2097
01:25:41.040 --> 01:25:43.576
issues and challenges being experienced

2098
01:25:43.600 --> 01:25:45.896
across the upper Lachland sh wider

2099
01:25:45.920 --> 01:25:48.920
region. I don't believe it acknowledges

2100
01:25:49.120 --> 01:25:52.120
the impact on social um equity outcomes

2101
01:25:54.880 --> 01:25:57.880
which is housing the homeless DV housing

2102
01:25:58.239 --> 01:26:01.239
essential workers and the second piece

2103
01:26:01.360 --> 01:26:04.360
is um part of the scope was to manage

2104
01:26:04.719 --> 01:26:07.336
and align the delivery of infrastructure

2105
01:26:07.360 --> 01:26:09.256
to ensure there is adequate supply of

2106
01:26:09.280 --> 01:26:11.736
service land for housing. Now, in view

2107
01:26:11.760 --> 01:26:13.976
of the energy transition that's before

2108
01:26:14.000 --> 01:26:16.536
us on a consistent basis, I don't

2109
01:26:16.560 --> 01:26:19.336
believe it has addressed that.

2110
01:26:19.360 --> 01:26:22.135
Yeah. The only problem, I'm not judging

2111
01:26:22.159 --> 01:26:23.416
what you're saying. The only problem is

2112
01:26:23.440 --> 01:26:25.416
we've got to be quite specific in terms

2113
01:26:25.440 --> 01:26:27.016
of what we're amending.

2114
01:26:27.040 --> 01:26:29.256
Um, the only other thing if if it does

2115
01:26:29.280 --> 01:26:30.856
need a bit of work, which just sounds

2116
01:26:30.880 --> 01:26:32.615
like it might cuz it's got to be in a

2117
01:26:32.639 --> 01:26:34.215
particular part of the document and it

2118
01:26:34.239 --> 01:26:35.576
would have to be worked up in terms of

2119
01:26:35.600 --> 01:26:36.296
wording.

2120
01:26:36.320 --> 01:26:37.816
Yes. I'm just wondering whether that

2121
01:26:37.840 --> 01:26:40.840
would be better as a submission.

2122
01:26:41.120 --> 01:26:41.576
Okay.

2123
01:26:41.600 --> 01:26:43.655
Which you you can

2124
01:26:43.679 --> 01:26:45.576
even though council came and myself

2125
01:26:45.600 --> 01:26:47.096
already done they could have been dealt

2126
01:26:47.120 --> 01:26:48.376
with in they could have been dealt with

2127
01:26:48.400 --> 01:26:49.896
in the exhibition period whereas

2128
01:26:49.920 --> 01:26:51.256
otherwise I think they could be here for

2129
01:26:51.280 --> 01:26:52.056
some time to

2130
01:26:52.080 --> 01:26:53.976
All right. Okay.

2131
01:26:54.000 --> 01:26:55.736
If you're happy to go that way.

2132
01:26:55.760 --> 01:26:57.096
Y that's fine.

2133
01:26:57.120 --> 01:26:58.056
Is that all right? Y

2134
01:26:58.080 --> 01:27:00.615
so if that's the case um perhaps you

2135
01:27:00.639 --> 01:27:03.336
could withdraw your um

2136
01:27:03.360 --> 01:27:05.175
request for an amendment. withdraw my

2137
01:27:05.199 --> 01:27:07.576
withdrawing my request for an amendment.

2138
01:27:07.600 --> 01:27:09.336
Thank you for the lady the lady in the

2139
01:27:09.360 --> 01:27:11.976
pink glasses

2140
01:27:12.000 --> 01:27:14.456
and uh we'll revert to the original and

2141
01:27:14.480 --> 01:27:16.615
look I I just don't want to be

2142
01:27:16.639 --> 01:27:18.376
dismissive I just for the public's

2143
01:27:18.400 --> 01:27:20.135
benefit that quite valid points that

2144
01:27:20.159 --> 01:27:22.215
council me saying and she can work that

2145
01:27:22.239 --> 01:27:25.239
up and make a submission which um will

2146
01:27:25.760 --> 01:27:27.496
will most definitely be considered by

2147
01:27:27.520 --> 01:27:29.175
this table as a potential amendment

2148
01:27:29.199 --> 01:27:30.936
along with any other submissions that

2149
01:27:30.960 --> 01:27:33.336
the public wishes to make.

2150
01:27:33.360 --> 01:27:35.816
Um, so we've got a mover and a second

2151
01:27:35.840 --> 01:27:38.840
for the original motion. Just question a

2152
01:27:39.760 --> 01:27:40.056
question.

2153
01:27:40.080 --> 01:27:42.135
That will also include what we've what

2154
01:27:42.159 --> 01:27:45.159
we voted on today. Correct.

2155
01:27:45.840 --> 01:27:46.936
Uh, I'm sorry.

2156
01:27:46.960 --> 01:27:48.215
Included in the in that this

2157
01:27:48.239 --> 01:27:51.239
Well, the the the upper locking housing

2158
01:27:51.760 --> 01:27:53.655
strategy which we viewed earlier, it

2159
01:27:53.679 --> 01:27:55.416
incor it's all of that. Yeah.

2160
01:27:55.440 --> 01:27:57.976
Including what we spoke about today.

2161
01:27:58.000 --> 01:28:00.536
No, those were in relation to the DCP.

2162
01:28:00.560 --> 01:28:01.336
Okay.

2163
01:28:01.360 --> 01:28:03.976
So, this is completely separate.

2164
01:28:04.000 --> 01:28:05.416
So, at the moment, we're just we're

2165
01:28:05.440 --> 01:28:08.440
putting it forward as as presented.

2166
01:28:08.960 --> 01:28:11.960
Yeah. So, um does the director of the

2167
01:28:12.320 --> 01:28:13.896
acting director of planning probably

2168
01:28:13.920 --> 01:28:14.936
like to give us a bit of background on

2169
01:28:14.960 --> 01:28:17.816
the housing strategy through the CEO

2170
01:28:17.840 --> 01:28:20.056
council before you is a request to put

2171
01:28:20.080 --> 01:28:22.536
the draft housing strategy 2025 on

2172
01:28:22.560 --> 01:28:24.695
exhibition. The housing strategy

2173
01:28:24.719 --> 01:28:26.615
Abalenshshire does not have a current

2174
01:28:26.639 --> 01:28:28.135
housing strategy. So, that will this

2175
01:28:28.159 --> 01:28:29.816
will hopefully set the blueprint for how

2176
01:28:29.840 --> 01:28:31.976
we want to grow into the future. The

2177
01:28:32.000 --> 01:28:34.215
document does provide proposals to

2178
01:28:34.239 --> 01:28:37.239
change some zonings and make adjustments

2179
01:28:37.280 --> 01:28:39.496
to the LEP in the future. That doesn't

2180
01:28:39.520 --> 01:28:41.096
mean the LEP will be changed with the

2181
01:28:41.120 --> 01:28:42.936
endorsement of the housing strategy. It

2182
01:28:42.960 --> 01:28:44.936
just means that that is the intention of

2183
01:28:44.960 --> 01:28:47.336
council. So council may seek to to make

2184
01:28:47.360 --> 01:28:49.576
a planning proposal or the private

2185
01:28:49.600 --> 01:28:51.976
sector may use this document as part of

2186
01:28:52.000 --> 01:28:53.576
ancillary documents to make a planning

2187
01:28:53.600 --> 01:28:56.215
proposal. There is and I I should have

2188
01:28:56.239 --> 01:28:57.576
mentioned earlier but there is a very

2189
01:28:57.600 --> 01:28:59.175
strict process we want to follow through

2190
01:28:59.199 --> 01:29:00.776
exhibition to ensure all community

2191
01:29:00.800 --> 01:29:03.496
members have the opportunity to engage

2192
01:29:03.520 --> 01:29:06.520
with us and we can engage with them.

2193
01:29:06.560 --> 01:29:08.456
Outside of that I I'll leave it there.

2194
01:29:08.480 --> 01:29:10.376
Thank you very much. The only probably

2195
01:29:10.400 --> 01:29:12.936
comment I should make is I understand

2196
01:29:12.960 --> 01:29:14.695
the points raised at the proposed

2197
01:29:14.719 --> 01:29:16.536
amendment that was withdrawn. There are

2198
01:29:16.560 --> 01:29:18.456
strict guidelines on how the h housing

2199
01:29:18.480 --> 01:29:20.296
strategy should be formulated and what

2200
01:29:20.320 --> 01:29:22.215
should be considered. So that there are

2201
01:29:22.239 --> 01:29:23.976
submissions that that may not fit that

2202
01:29:24.000 --> 01:29:25.416
framework. We will come back to the

2203
01:29:25.440 --> 01:29:28.215
submitter so they're aware. Um yes, not

2204
01:29:28.239 --> 01:29:30.296
my intention to to be obstructive, but

2205
01:29:30.320 --> 01:29:31.896
just to be aware there is certain

2206
01:29:31.920 --> 01:29:33.896
guidelines and they may be ruled out if

2207
01:29:33.920 --> 01:29:34.856
we were to put them in there

2208
01:29:34.880 --> 01:29:36.615
erroneously. So other than that, thank

2209
01:29:36.639 --> 01:29:38.296
you.

2210
01:29:38.320 --> 01:29:39.976
Thanks very much, Mr. Dctor. And look,

2211
01:29:40.000 --> 01:29:42.536
I'll just add from my perspective

2212
01:29:42.560 --> 01:29:44.615
um the having the housing having agreed

2213
01:29:44.639 --> 01:29:46.056
housing strategy is incredible

2214
01:29:46.080 --> 01:29:48.695
incredibly um important because we're

2215
01:29:48.719 --> 01:29:50.215
we've already identified around this

2216
01:29:50.239 --> 01:29:52.776
table many times the need for more water

2217
01:29:52.800 --> 01:29:55.256
and sewer infrastructure in the SH

2218
01:29:55.280 --> 01:29:57.336
particularly in the Gunning area and

2219
01:29:57.360 --> 01:30:00.360
this having having considered worked up

2220
01:30:00.480 --> 01:30:02.536
comprehensive document as we have before

2221
01:30:02.560 --> 01:30:05.016
us is is an enormous help in terms of

2222
01:30:05.040 --> 01:30:06.536
demonstrating that we we know where

2223
01:30:06.560 --> 01:30:09.416
we're heading. um and and I believe will

2224
01:30:09.440 --> 01:30:11.976
will be most powerful in you know what

2225
01:30:12.000 --> 01:30:13.896
I'll be certainly trying to do to to

2226
01:30:13.920 --> 01:30:16.135
push for uh improvements our

2227
01:30:16.159 --> 01:30:17.576
infrastructure in various parts of the

2228
01:30:17.600 --> 01:30:19.896
shell.

2229
01:30:19.920 --> 01:30:21.736
All right. Um we've got a mover and

2230
01:30:21.760 --> 01:30:23.336
second on it. Does anyone wish to speak

2231
01:30:23.360 --> 01:30:25.336
for the motion?

2232
01:30:25.360 --> 01:30:27.175
Yeah. Councelor

2233
01:30:27.199 --> 01:30:29.096
Cameron.

2234
01:30:29.120 --> 01:30:31.736
I'd like to speak for this um on

2235
01:30:31.760 --> 01:30:33.096
balance. So I think this is an excellent

2236
01:30:33.120 --> 01:30:35.256
piece of work that is obviously a

2237
01:30:35.280 --> 01:30:36.936
landmark

2238
01:30:36.960 --> 01:30:39.096
uh a landmark element of our of our

2239
01:30:39.120 --> 01:30:42.120
collective uh planning strategy. There

2240
01:30:42.320 --> 01:30:45.320
are a couple of uh there are a couple of

2241
01:30:45.520 --> 01:30:48.520
deficits in the um in the document that

2242
01:30:49.440 --> 01:30:52.440
I think need to be bought out um via the

2243
01:30:52.800 --> 01:30:55.416
public exhibition um and submissions

2244
01:30:55.440 --> 01:30:57.655
from anyone that is interested uh that

2245
01:30:57.679 --> 01:31:00.056
that process. Um I'm particularly

2246
01:31:00.080 --> 01:31:03.080
interested in the um the references to

2247
01:31:04.000 --> 01:31:06.536
social social and affordable housing and

2248
01:31:06.560 --> 01:31:08.936
diverse and connected housing. Um

2249
01:31:08.960 --> 01:31:11.096
there's no explicit mention of things

2250
01:31:11.120 --> 01:31:14.120
like tiny houses in this. There's no ex

2251
01:31:14.400 --> 01:31:16.296
Oh, there is some there is some mention

2252
01:31:16.320 --> 01:31:18.215
um for example on page 19 of the

2253
01:31:18.239 --> 01:31:21.239
attachment section 2.

2254
01:31:21.280 --> 01:31:22.776
21

2255
01:31:22.800 --> 01:31:24.536
about secondary dwellings and I know

2256
01:31:24.560 --> 01:31:27.096
that councelor Harris has done some some

2257
01:31:27.120 --> 01:31:30.120
heavy thinking on this already. Um so I

2258
01:31:30.560 --> 01:31:32.615
I'm going to be making a submission when

2259
01:31:32.639 --> 01:31:35.639
this is out on such matters. Um I'm also

2260
01:31:36.400 --> 01:31:39.400
particularly interested in the um uh the

2261
01:31:41.199 --> 01:31:44.199
relationship between reszoning uh areas

2262
01:31:45.440 --> 01:31:48.440
around our towns and villages uh that

2263
01:31:48.960 --> 01:31:51.655
are but state significant agricultural

2264
01:31:51.679 --> 01:31:54.679
land. Um uh our SH is still a

2265
01:31:55.280 --> 01:31:58.280
predominantly agricultural um uh still

2266
01:31:58.800 --> 01:32:00.936
predominantly has a uh agricultural

2267
01:32:00.960 --> 01:32:03.960
economic basis. Um and I think we just

2268
01:32:04.239 --> 01:32:06.695
need to be make sure that we get this

2269
01:32:06.719 --> 01:32:08.695
get the balance absolutely right. So

2270
01:32:08.719 --> 01:32:11.576
I'll be um also including uh in a

2271
01:32:11.600 --> 01:32:13.736
submission when this goes out for public

2272
01:32:13.760 --> 01:32:16.536
uh consumption uh about about that

2273
01:32:16.560 --> 01:32:18.856
particular challenge. But on the whole

2274
01:32:18.880 --> 01:32:20.776
uh I support this uh and support the

2275
01:32:20.800 --> 01:32:22.456
recommendation.

2276
01:32:22.480 --> 01:32:24.215
Thank you. Um does anybody want to speak

2277
01:32:24.239 --> 01:32:26.215
against the recommendation

2278
01:32:26.239 --> 01:32:29.239
or any other questions? Um, look, I I

2279
01:32:29.920 --> 01:32:32.920
just before we put the motion, I'd also

2280
01:32:33.120 --> 01:32:36.056
just like to uh, you know, we have had a

2281
01:32:36.080 --> 01:32:37.736
consultant work up a lot of this work,

2282
01:32:37.760 --> 01:32:39.655
but there's been some great work by um,

2283
01:32:39.679 --> 01:32:41.736
the acting director and his staff, and I

2284
01:32:41.760 --> 01:32:44.456
just wish to compliment them on that.

2285
01:32:44.480 --> 01:32:45.896
The councilors have had the opportunity

2286
01:32:45.920 --> 01:32:48.215
to go through this in detail, and I

2287
01:32:48.239 --> 01:32:50.056
would just encourage the public. This is

2288
01:32:50.080 --> 01:32:52.615
a very readable document, and it's about

2289
01:32:52.639 --> 01:32:55.576
issues that I believe um, people in all

2290
01:32:55.600 --> 01:32:57.816
parts of the SH raise all the time.

2291
01:32:57.840 --> 01:33:00.840
gives you some idea of what the zones

2292
01:33:01.120 --> 01:33:03.576
are in your particular area and and what

2293
01:33:03.600 --> 01:33:05.655
the experts in planning and our

2294
01:33:05.679 --> 01:33:08.615
consultants have suggested the parts of

2295
01:33:08.639 --> 01:33:10.376
the SH that that that we perhaps

2296
01:33:10.400 --> 01:33:13.175
encourage more housing. So so I'd really

2297
01:33:13.199 --> 01:33:15.336
ask people to take take the opportunity

2298
01:33:15.360 --> 01:33:17.096
to view the document in the exhibition

2299
01:33:17.120 --> 01:33:18.936
period and and please give us your

2300
01:33:18.960 --> 01:33:21.175
feedback positive or negative so that we

2301
01:33:21.199 --> 01:33:23.576
can get the best possible outcome. Um,

2302
01:33:23.600 --> 01:33:26.376
and as I say again, a very big thanks to

2303
01:33:26.400 --> 01:33:29.400
to the staff for the work that they do.

2304
01:33:29.920 --> 01:33:31.976
All right.

2305
01:33:32.000 --> 01:33:33.655
Uh, sure. Yes.

2306
01:33:33.679 --> 01:33:36.679
Um, absolutely welcome this document.

2307
01:33:37.199 --> 01:33:40.199
It's long overdue. Um, I know I've

2308
01:33:41.040 --> 01:33:42.536
mentioned this before and I'm going to

2309
01:33:42.560 --> 01:33:45.560
mention it again. um as a document on

2310
01:33:45.679 --> 01:33:47.655
its own without a master plan. I think

2311
01:33:47.679 --> 01:33:50.215
it's a little bit like force when we

2312
01:33:50.239 --> 01:33:52.456
can't and we're missing the component

2313
01:33:52.480 --> 01:33:55.096
because we can look at the housing and

2314
01:33:55.120 --> 01:33:57.336
the red ground road is a good example of

2315
01:33:57.360 --> 01:33:59.496
that. It's a it's a development that's

2316
01:33:59.520 --> 01:34:02.520
set on its own with surrounded by um

2317
01:34:03.840 --> 01:34:06.536
agricultural land and how does that fit

2318
01:34:06.560 --> 01:34:09.560
with our overall master plan. Um so I

2319
01:34:10.320 --> 01:34:13.320
would hope that um whilst I welcome this

2320
01:34:14.239 --> 01:34:16.296
it will not be so long before we

2321
01:34:16.320 --> 01:34:19.320
actually find funds to do a master plan

2322
01:34:19.520 --> 01:34:21.816
and particularly with the villages. So

2323
01:34:21.840 --> 01:34:24.840
then we've got a very very strategic

2324
01:34:25.199 --> 01:34:28.199
look and then as we go down we've got

2325
01:34:28.560 --> 01:34:31.416
the the guidelines that we will need for

2326
01:34:31.440 --> 01:34:33.655
housing and there's no two ways about

2327
01:34:33.679 --> 01:34:36.296
it. We do need this desperately.

2328
01:34:36.320 --> 01:34:39.320
Brilliant. I'll take that as comment

2329
01:34:39.920 --> 01:34:42.135
through the CEO. The only thing I would

2330
01:34:42.159 --> 01:34:43.096
say, thank you for the question,

2331
01:34:43.120 --> 01:34:44.776
councelor Reynolds, as part of our

2332
01:34:44.800 --> 01:34:47.736
future de proposal of identified lands

2333
01:34:47.760 --> 01:34:50.376
and master planning. On page 177 of the

2334
01:34:50.400 --> 01:34:52.695
housing strategy, one of the identified

2335
01:34:52.719 --> 01:34:54.615
lands has been master planned and I

2336
01:34:54.639 --> 01:34:55.736
think it fits the bill you're

2337
01:34:55.760 --> 01:34:57.976
requesting. The housing strategy at this

2338
01:34:58.000 --> 01:34:59.336
point in time does not identify

2339
01:34:59.360 --> 01:35:00.776
significant amount of greenfield

2340
01:35:00.800 --> 01:35:03.016
subdivisions, predominantly infill, but

2341
01:35:03.040 --> 01:35:05.655
I take your point. Um council

2342
01:35:05.679 --> 01:35:07.336
potentially as part of the regional

2343
01:35:07.360 --> 01:35:09.016
precinct planning made not precinct

2344
01:35:09.040 --> 01:35:10.776
planning there are funding arrangements

2345
01:35:10.800 --> 01:35:12.456
that council will continue to apply for

2346
01:35:12.480 --> 01:35:13.976
the main focus moving forward will be

2347
01:35:14.000 --> 01:35:15.496
infrastructure to make sure we can

2348
01:35:15.520 --> 01:35:17.175
support what's here and that potentially

2349
01:35:17.199 --> 01:35:18.296
will follow. So thank you for your

2350
01:35:18.320 --> 01:35:20.456
comment council.

2351
01:35:20.480 --> 01:35:23.480
Uh thank you. So look we'll uh we'll put

2352
01:35:24.480 --> 01:35:27.175
the motion then all those in fo.

2353
01:35:27.199 --> 01:35:29.576
Thank you.

2354
01:35:29.600 --> 01:35:31.816
Um we'll now move on to the

2355
01:35:31.840 --> 01:35:34.840
infrastructure department on 12.1 in

2356
01:35:35.040 --> 01:35:37.816
terms of the uh

2357
01:35:37.840 --> 01:35:39.736
establishment of the local transport

2358
01:35:39.760 --> 01:35:42.215
forum. I'm not completely clear on the

2359
01:35:42.239 --> 01:35:43.816
difference from the other thing but the

2360
01:35:43.840 --> 01:35:45.496
director hopefully can lighten us a bit

2361
01:35:45.520 --> 01:35:48.520
on that but um so this is on page 148.

2362
01:35:50.880 --> 01:35:53.496
Um there's a recommendation there to

2363
01:35:53.520 --> 01:35:55.496
receive a note to report. I ask for a

2364
01:35:55.520 --> 01:35:58.296
move to that councelor and second over

2365
01:35:58.320 --> 01:36:00.456
by councelor Sum with the director of

2366
01:36:00.480 --> 01:36:03.480
infrastructure

2367
01:36:04.960 --> 01:36:07.960
for the CEO councilors um from 1st of

2368
01:36:08.800 --> 01:36:10.856
August 2025

2369
01:36:10.880 --> 01:36:13.655
um the former way of dealing with

2370
01:36:13.679 --> 01:36:15.336
traffic matters which was through a

2371
01:36:15.360 --> 01:36:17.896
traffic committee has been changed and

2372
01:36:17.920 --> 01:36:20.920
now it has become a forum. So in the

2373
01:36:21.120 --> 01:36:24.120
past there used to be four votes uh for

2374
01:36:25.679 --> 01:36:28.679
determination of any traffic matter that

2375
01:36:28.800 --> 01:36:31.800
had um infringement consequences. Um for

2376
01:36:33.040 --> 01:36:36.040
example, you you if we wanted to change

2377
01:36:36.560 --> 01:36:39.496
the parking locations or no parking

2378
01:36:39.520 --> 01:36:42.296
implement no parking areas etc.

2379
01:36:42.320 --> 01:36:44.936
uh then it would have to be voted by

2380
01:36:44.960 --> 01:36:47.095
traffic at the traffic committee and

2381
01:36:47.119 --> 01:36:49.576
endorsed by the traffic committee etc.

2382
01:36:49.600 --> 01:36:51.896
That has changed. So the power a

2383
01:36:51.920 --> 01:36:53.816
significant amount of power has been now

2384
01:36:53.840 --> 01:36:56.840
given to council or to make decision on

2385
01:36:58.880 --> 01:37:01.880
those matters. Um it gets discussed in

2386
01:37:03.920 --> 01:37:06.376
the traffic forum.

2387
01:37:06.400 --> 01:37:09.400
Uh but there the the voting method has

2388
01:37:09.520 --> 01:37:11.896
been abolished. Um so there is no more

2389
01:37:11.920 --> 01:37:14.920
voting. Uh still those four

2390
01:37:15.360 --> 01:37:18.360
representatives will represent um the

2391
01:37:18.639 --> 01:37:21.175
traffic forum which means one from

2392
01:37:21.199 --> 01:37:24.056
council, one from transport, one from

2393
01:37:24.080 --> 01:37:27.080
the state um MP's uh rape or MP and one

2394
01:37:29.119 --> 01:37:32.119
police. So so there will still be four

2395
01:37:32.480 --> 01:37:35.480
four you know uh parties to discuss the

2396
01:37:35.920 --> 01:37:38.695
matter but there will be no voting. Now

2397
01:37:38.719 --> 01:37:40.615
obviously there will be a couple of

2398
01:37:40.639 --> 01:37:43.336
things that um may be raised by

2399
01:37:43.360 --> 01:37:46.360
transport. For example, if there is any

2400
01:37:47.679 --> 01:37:50.135
uh traffic diversion works that is it

2401
01:37:50.159 --> 01:37:52.615
that will uh the council is planning to

2402
01:37:52.639 --> 01:37:54.776
implement for that will last over 6

2403
01:37:54.800 --> 01:37:57.800
months that that will be um in that uh

2404
01:37:59.600 --> 01:38:02.215
the transport um

2405
01:38:02.239 --> 01:38:04.536
uh can come back to us and have some

2406
01:38:04.560 --> 01:38:07.496
comments on if there is anything that is

2407
01:38:07.520 --> 01:38:10.520
implement uh that is impairing the uh

2408
01:38:10.560 --> 01:38:12.536
the public transport for more than 24

2409
01:38:12.560 --> 01:38:15.560
hours then that the transport um can

2410
01:38:16.000 --> 01:38:18.056
have their say on that matter as well.

2411
01:38:18.080 --> 01:38:20.776
So, so basically these are the changes

2412
01:38:20.800 --> 01:38:22.776
um and if

2413
01:38:22.800 --> 01:38:24.296
the transport for New South Wales

2414
01:38:24.320 --> 01:38:25.816
disagreed with some of our

2415
01:38:25.840 --> 01:38:27.576
recommendations, they will have 7 days

2416
01:38:27.600 --> 01:38:30.376
to notify us and we need to act. We

2417
01:38:30.400 --> 01:38:33.400
don't have any obligation anymore um to

2418
01:38:33.679 --> 01:38:36.679
to accept their recommendation and

2419
01:38:36.800 --> 01:38:39.800
amendments. But uh the way I see it that

2420
01:38:40.400 --> 01:38:43.400
it is in a way uh removing some of the

2421
01:38:44.000 --> 01:38:45.896
red tapes that used to exist that used

2422
01:38:45.920 --> 01:38:48.615
to delay. So that's one aspect of it.

2423
01:38:48.639 --> 01:38:51.639
The expectation obviously is that uh the

2424
01:38:51.840 --> 01:38:54.840
council will be able to um using

2425
01:38:55.119 --> 01:38:58.119
council's resources uh decide on the

2426
01:38:59.199 --> 01:39:02.135
matters that may have some

2427
01:39:02.159 --> 01:39:04.135
infringement consequences as I said or

2428
01:39:04.159 --> 01:39:07.159
that may impact on on that decision-m

2429
01:39:07.600 --> 01:39:10.600
process. Now there was a bit of support

2430
01:39:10.639 --> 01:39:13.416
in the past because the the the

2431
01:39:13.440 --> 01:39:15.496
transport for New South Wales or the

2432
01:39:15.520 --> 01:39:18.520
state government is well resourced um to

2433
01:39:18.880 --> 01:39:21.880
to analyze and plan for those um aspects

2434
01:39:23.360 --> 01:39:26.296
whereas councils sometimes uh especially

2435
01:39:26.320 --> 01:39:28.215
country councils we we are rural

2436
01:39:28.239 --> 01:39:30.376
councils we are shortstopped and

2437
01:39:30.400 --> 01:39:31.976
underresourced.

2438
01:39:32.000 --> 01:39:35.000
uh but it is it is I think overall um

2439
01:39:36.239 --> 01:39:38.615
shows the state government's um

2440
01:39:38.639 --> 01:39:40.936
confidence on council's in terms of

2441
01:39:40.960 --> 01:39:43.576
making decisions.

2442
01:39:43.600 --> 01:39:45.736
Uh thank you.

2443
01:39:45.760 --> 01:39:47.576
The recommendation I think is largely

2444
01:39:47.600 --> 01:39:49.896
procedural but is there any uh any other

2445
01:39:49.920 --> 01:39:51.896
questions to put to the director

2446
01:39:51.920 --> 01:39:53.016
comment?

2447
01:39:53.040 --> 01:39:53.816
Yeah.

2448
01:39:53.840 --> 01:39:56.536
So um I'd like to thank you again for

2449
01:39:56.560 --> 01:39:58.695
this. When I first read about this

2450
01:39:58.719 --> 01:40:01.256
change to the form, um I couldn't make

2451
01:40:01.280 --> 01:40:04.135
head more tail of what was was proposed

2452
01:40:04.159 --> 01:40:06.776
as a change. Um this report and your

2453
01:40:06.800 --> 01:40:08.936
comments here have um made that very

2454
01:40:08.960 --> 01:40:10.215
clear. So thank you.

2455
01:40:10.239 --> 01:40:11.336
Thank you.

2456
01:40:11.360 --> 01:40:13.256
Thank you, Council P. So look, we'll put

2457
01:40:13.280 --> 01:40:16.215
that motion all those in fo.

2458
01:40:16.239 --> 01:40:18.776
Thank you. The motion is carried. We'll

2459
01:40:18.800 --> 01:40:21.256
move on to uh finance administration.

2460
01:40:21.280 --> 01:40:23.095
And the first matter of business is the

2461
01:40:23.119 --> 01:40:25.336
uh public exhibition of the draft code

2462
01:40:25.360 --> 01:40:28.360
of meeting practice uh on page 154.

2463
01:40:28.560 --> 01:40:30.456
Could I could I have a a mover for the

2464
01:40:30.480 --> 01:40:33.256
recommendation? Move council sened

2465
01:40:33.280 --> 01:40:36.280
council fun. Um and I'll hand over to

2466
01:40:36.320 --> 01:40:38.776
the uh director of science. Thank you,

2467
01:40:38.800 --> 01:40:41.800
Mr. Mayor. CEO. Um obviously last

2468
01:40:42.080 --> 01:40:45.016
meeting we adopted uh our current code

2469
01:40:45.040 --> 01:40:48.040
of meeting practice albeit for a short

2470
01:40:48.719 --> 01:40:51.719
term where um this new code has come to

2471
01:40:52.080 --> 01:40:53.175
light from the office of local

2472
01:40:53.199 --> 01:40:56.199
government with significant changes and

2473
01:40:56.239 --> 01:40:58.456
uh a timeline attached to it that uh

2474
01:40:58.480 --> 01:41:00.296
needs to be adopted by the 31st of

2475
01:41:00.320 --> 01:41:02.695
December 2025 or anything that's

2476
01:41:02.719 --> 01:41:04.296
inconsistent with the code that's not

2477
01:41:04.320 --> 01:41:06.615
adopted by that date will be overridden

2478
01:41:06.639 --> 01:41:09.639
by the new um OG guidelines anyway.

2479
01:41:10.080 --> 01:41:12.695
So, in light of that, we're obviously

2480
01:41:12.719 --> 01:41:15.016
looking to put this on public exhibition

2481
01:41:15.040 --> 01:41:18.040
for 42 days, seeking community feedback.

2482
01:41:18.159 --> 01:41:20.776
Uh, in relation to the document, um,

2483
01:41:20.800 --> 01:41:23.800
I'll note some of the the key, uh,

2484
01:41:23.840 --> 01:41:26.840
changes. It's obviously prohibiting, um,

2485
01:41:27.600 --> 01:41:30.215
premeating briefings, which, uh, is

2486
01:41:30.239 --> 01:41:31.976
obviously what we adopted previously

2487
01:41:32.000 --> 01:41:35.000
with our code just last meeting. Um, so

2488
01:41:35.280 --> 01:41:38.280
that that's now precluded. Uh the mayor

2489
01:41:38.719 --> 01:41:41.719
may also put um to the meeting without

2490
01:41:42.239 --> 01:41:44.615
notice. Uh that's one of the new things

2491
01:41:44.639 --> 01:41:46.776
as well. Uh could be on any topic in

2492
01:41:46.800 --> 01:41:49.800
particular. So that's uh new to any code

2493
01:41:50.159 --> 01:41:52.376
that we've had previously.

2494
01:41:52.400 --> 01:41:54.296
That's an extraordinary.

2495
01:41:54.320 --> 01:41:56.456
No, this is any meeting the mayor may

2496
01:41:56.480 --> 01:41:59.480
bring any topic forward consideration.

2497
01:42:00.719 --> 01:42:03.416
uh also the sort of decisions that the

2498
01:42:03.440 --> 01:42:06.376
council we need to look through the code

2499
01:42:06.400 --> 01:42:08.695
here and make a decision around um

2500
01:42:08.719 --> 01:42:11.719
clauses get 15.15 and 15.16

2501
01:42:12.719 --> 01:42:14.695
and there's other parts within this

2502
01:42:14.719 --> 01:42:16.296
document that are highlighted in yellow

2503
01:42:16.320 --> 01:42:19.095
which are related directly to this

2504
01:42:19.119 --> 01:42:21.336
council and what we timelines of

2505
01:42:21.360 --> 01:42:23.016
meetings order of business that that

2506
01:42:23.040 --> 01:42:25.256
type of thing that we need to work

2507
01:42:25.280 --> 01:42:27.175
through before we put on public

2508
01:42:27.199 --> 01:42:30.199
transmission. Um the public forums um

2509
01:42:31.280 --> 01:42:34.280
provided uh are mandatory and also

2510
01:42:34.960 --> 01:42:37.960
required to be um live audio visual as

2511
01:42:38.880 --> 01:42:41.416
is um the actual council meetings

2512
01:42:41.440 --> 01:42:43.496
themselves. Previously you could

2513
01:42:43.520 --> 01:42:45.416
obviously hold it and just do an audio

2514
01:42:45.440 --> 01:42:47.655
recording or do an audio visual

2515
01:42:47.679 --> 01:42:49.576
recording and put on at a later date.

2516
01:42:49.600 --> 01:42:52.215
Now it's to be live streamed. It may be

2517
01:42:52.239 --> 01:42:54.135
delays. Some councils, you know, we've

2518
01:42:54.159 --> 01:42:55.816
had some workshops with the Oslo

2519
01:42:55.840 --> 01:42:56.856
government. They're concerned around

2520
01:42:56.880 --> 01:42:58.936
defamation that they might put slight

2521
01:42:58.960 --> 01:43:00.856
delays, you know, for matter of minutes

2522
01:43:00.880 --> 01:43:03.880
or seconds uh from a live broadcast. So,

2523
01:43:04.560 --> 01:43:06.056
there's a number of things the Ox local

2524
01:43:06.080 --> 01:43:07.976
government are working through. Um

2525
01:43:08.000 --> 01:43:10.296
there's a webinar this morning that we

2526
01:43:10.320 --> 01:43:11.496
had with the office of local government

2527
01:43:11.520 --> 01:43:13.336
where they're talking about putting out

2528
01:43:13.360 --> 01:43:15.336
some bre best practice guidelines in

2529
01:43:15.360 --> 01:43:17.256
particular in relation to public forums

2530
01:43:17.280 --> 01:43:20.280
and in relation to defamation and and um

2531
01:43:20.639 --> 01:43:22.856
issues that may come come about because

2532
01:43:22.880 --> 01:43:25.880
of uh audio recordings. Uh and likewise

2533
01:43:26.400 --> 01:43:28.376
in relation to public forums as well

2534
01:43:28.400 --> 01:43:30.856
having trying to consider those possible

2535
01:43:30.880 --> 01:43:32.695
uh best practice outcomes to avoid

2536
01:43:32.719 --> 01:43:35.719
defformation proceedings and the like.

2537
01:43:36.000 --> 01:43:39.000
So the code has mandatory uh black

2538
01:43:39.600 --> 01:43:42.600
provisions. So um it's made quite clear

2539
01:43:43.040 --> 01:43:45.175
the minister is very strong in his views

2540
01:43:45.199 --> 01:43:47.175
that that black font that won't be

2541
01:43:47.199 --> 01:43:48.536
changing. So there have been

2542
01:43:48.560 --> 01:43:51.560
submissions. So what is in this code is

2543
01:43:52.239 --> 01:43:55.239
now mandatory. Okay. There's red

2544
01:43:55.520 --> 01:43:58.215
provisions within it which are obviously

2545
01:43:58.239 --> 01:44:00.056
discretionary and up to this council to

2546
01:44:00.080 --> 01:44:02.856
choose whether they adopt those as part

2547
01:44:02.880 --> 01:44:05.880
of our minimum uh code. and the blue

2548
01:44:05.920 --> 01:44:08.920
font in relation to the um uh boards of

2549
01:44:10.560 --> 01:44:12.615
the joint organizations.

2550
01:44:12.639 --> 01:44:15.639
So, we really need to look through the

2551
01:44:15.840 --> 01:44:17.336
attached document and and hopefully

2552
01:44:17.360 --> 01:44:20.360
we've all had a chance to uh have viewed

2553
01:44:20.400 --> 01:44:23.400
that and and work through it. And

2554
01:44:23.840 --> 01:44:26.456
there's also quite significant change

2555
01:44:26.480 --> 01:44:28.456
that needs to be understood in relation

2556
01:44:28.480 --> 01:44:31.480
to counselor's uh ability to also um uh

2557
01:44:33.119 --> 01:44:36.119
attend a meeting virtually. And there's

2558
01:44:36.320 --> 01:44:38.215
only really two reasons now. It's in

2559
01:44:38.239 --> 01:44:41.239
relation you only may attend if there's

2560
01:44:42.000 --> 01:44:44.215
uh carer responsibilities which you may

2561
01:44:44.239 --> 01:44:47.239
not necessarily come up um uh in

2562
01:44:47.600 --> 01:44:50.135
uncertainty. That's sort of uh by

2563
01:44:50.159 --> 01:44:52.856
exception and by illness.

2564
01:44:52.880 --> 01:44:55.880
And when you put the application in the

2565
01:44:56.560 --> 01:44:58.536
council may look at it and decide

2566
01:44:58.560 --> 01:45:01.175
whether the leave of absence is granted

2567
01:45:01.199 --> 01:45:03.896
that will be a decision of the council.

2568
01:45:03.920 --> 01:45:06.536
So that is something very new. So that's

2569
01:45:06.560 --> 01:45:09.496
concerning some councils in particular

2570
01:45:09.520 --> 01:45:11.816
um you know maybe in remote areas and

2571
01:45:11.840 --> 01:45:14.840
the like but at the forum today that was

2572
01:45:15.199 --> 01:45:17.016
made very very clear that that won't be

2573
01:45:17.040 --> 01:45:19.576
changing. The expectations is councils

2574
01:45:19.600 --> 01:45:22.600
are to be here in the chambers unless

2575
01:45:23.040 --> 01:45:25.655
those two um particular reasons they

2576
01:45:25.679 --> 01:45:28.679
cannot attend otherwise um yes they

2577
01:45:29.679 --> 01:45:32.456
can't participate. So um that's

2578
01:45:32.480 --> 01:45:34.456
unfortunate if someone's on holidays or

2579
01:45:34.480 --> 01:45:36.056
something like that overseas for months

2580
01:45:36.080 --> 01:45:38.776
on end you know then unfortunately you

2581
01:45:38.800 --> 01:45:41.095
know they can't participate via a

2582
01:45:41.119 --> 01:45:44.119
virtual link. Okay. So that's that's new

2583
01:45:44.159 --> 01:45:45.816
and that's quite significant uh

2584
01:45:45.840 --> 01:45:47.416
consideration

2585
01:45:47.440 --> 01:45:50.135
and um just looking at the mayor may

2586
01:45:50.159 --> 01:45:53.016
also call uh extraordinary meetings

2587
01:45:53.040 --> 01:45:56.040
without uh two signatures. So the

2588
01:45:57.119 --> 01:45:59.816
discretion of the mayor now he can uh

2589
01:45:59.840 --> 01:46:01.576
think something of very urgent nature

2590
01:46:01.600 --> 01:46:03.175
and may call an extraordinary meeting of

2591
01:46:03.199 --> 01:46:06.199
his own valition. Okay. Does the um in

2592
01:46:06.560 --> 01:46:08.776
your interpretation does then virtual

2593
01:46:08.800 --> 01:46:10.856
still apply for extraordinary meeting

2594
01:46:10.880 --> 01:46:12.215
because I think it'd be called in a very

2595
01:46:12.239 --> 01:46:13.576
short period of time as well.

2596
01:46:13.600 --> 01:46:15.016
Yes, that's right. So extraordinary in

2597
01:46:15.040 --> 01:46:17.095
house meeting as the same

2598
01:46:17.119 --> 01:46:20.119
statutoil I think that's correct.

2599
01:46:21.040 --> 01:46:22.536
All right.

2600
01:46:22.560 --> 01:46:24.215
Is there any other questions in relation

2601
01:46:24.239 --> 01:46:27.016
to Yeah.

2602
01:46:27.040 --> 01:46:30.040
Um does that also apply to the 355

2603
01:46:32.000 --> 01:46:33.095
committee?

2604
01:46:33.119 --> 01:46:35.416
Good question councelor. No, it's only

2605
01:46:35.440 --> 01:46:37.816
for full committees where there's full

2606
01:46:37.840 --> 01:46:40.056
represented representation. All nine

2607
01:46:40.080 --> 01:46:42.056
counselors are part of those committees.

2608
01:46:42.080 --> 01:46:45.080
And likewise, this code only applies to

2609
01:46:45.600 --> 01:46:46.856
council meetings, extraordinary council

2610
01:46:46.880 --> 01:46:49.496
meeting and full um meetings where of

2611
01:46:49.520 --> 01:46:50.536
committees that have full

2612
01:46:50.560 --> 01:46:52.936
representation. So this council already

2613
01:46:52.960 --> 01:46:55.960
has a uh uh code of meeting practice for

2614
01:46:56.400 --> 01:46:58.776
section 355 committees. It's not as

2615
01:46:58.800 --> 01:47:01.800
ownorous because this is quite ownorous

2616
01:47:02.480 --> 01:47:04.856
for a volunteer group obviously to

2617
01:47:04.880 --> 01:47:06.296
adhere to

2618
01:47:06.320 --> 01:47:09.320
Council Megan. Yeah. Just on page 159 as

2619
01:47:11.280 --> 01:47:13.416
part of the key changes the new rules of

2620
01:47:13.440 --> 01:47:15.175
etiquette at meetings.

2621
01:47:15.199 --> 01:47:17.655
Am I to take that as a non-negotiable

2622
01:47:17.679 --> 01:47:20.679
because I mean first standards I mean we

2623
01:47:20.960 --> 01:47:22.856
should all be dressing appropriately you

2624
01:47:22.880 --> 01:47:25.576
know for um business conduct. That's

2625
01:47:25.600 --> 01:47:28.376
obviously fair. But um just the second

2626
01:47:28.400 --> 01:47:29.976
point, we're physically able to

2627
01:47:30.000 --> 01:47:31.816
counselors and staff are encouraged to

2628
01:47:31.840 --> 01:47:34.056
stand when the mayor enters the chamber

2629
01:47:34.080 --> 01:47:36.456
and when addressing the meeting. So I

2630
01:47:36.480 --> 01:47:39.480
mean with no disrespect to you.

2631
01:47:39.920 --> 01:47:42.920
Um I just want to know because I note

2632
01:47:43.119 --> 01:47:45.336
that that's not colorcoded. So I'm

2633
01:47:45.360 --> 01:47:46.936
suggesting that that is that a

2634
01:47:46.960 --> 01:47:49.960
non-negotiable for this council because

2635
01:47:50.320 --> 01:47:52.936
there's every time we address each other

2636
01:47:52.960 --> 01:47:55.256
or we ask a question and I take it that

2637
01:47:55.280 --> 01:47:58.135
we not only have to stand when Mayor

2638
01:47:58.159 --> 01:48:01.095
Khane enters the chambers that we also

2639
01:48:01.119 --> 01:48:03.655
have to stand when we address

2640
01:48:03.679 --> 01:48:05.175
so

2641
01:48:05.199 --> 01:48:07.016
I'll take that question was made quite

2642
01:48:07.040 --> 01:48:09.016
clear um from the office of government

2643
01:48:09.040 --> 01:48:12.040
forum that the minister would like you

2644
01:48:12.560 --> 01:48:15.016
know the parliamentary type arrangement

2645
01:48:15.040 --> 01:48:18.040
but is realistic and it has should. That

2646
01:48:18.080 --> 01:48:20.856
word should does not mean thou shalt.

2647
01:48:20.880 --> 01:48:23.880
I think the words they're using courage

2648
01:48:24.800 --> 01:48:26.695
and and I think there is a word in there

2649
01:48:26.719 --> 01:48:29.416
somewhere as well and and quite quite

2650
01:48:29.440 --> 01:48:32.215
clearly no. So it it'd be unrealistic to

2651
01:48:32.239 --> 01:48:33.816
think that the mayor would spend half a

2652
01:48:33.840 --> 01:48:36.840
meeting standing up as well presenting

2653
01:48:36.880 --> 01:48:39.095
to

2654
01:48:39.119 --> 01:48:40.856
me

2655
01:48:40.880 --> 01:48:42.536
as well and that

2656
01:48:42.560 --> 01:48:45.560
so are we going to then adopt that as a

2657
01:48:47.199 --> 01:48:47.736
local

2658
01:48:47.760 --> 01:48:49.016
best endeavors or

2659
01:48:49.040 --> 01:48:51.816
we have to adopt the wording at that

2660
01:48:51.840 --> 01:48:54.840
black font is mandatory. So it was

2661
01:48:55.360 --> 01:48:58.360
so to stand or not to stand is we won't

2662
01:48:58.880 --> 01:48:59.816
be standing.

2663
01:48:59.840 --> 01:49:01.976
So so just to just to give you some

2664
01:49:02.000 --> 01:49:03.655
further information on that when I did

2665
01:49:03.679 --> 01:49:06.679
meet with um uh I mentioned before with

2666
01:49:08.080 --> 01:49:10.456
Miller during the week she we did

2667
01:49:10.480 --> 01:49:13.480
discuss this quite a bit. She actually

2668
01:49:13.679 --> 01:49:16.056
um one thing that I I guess I'll say

2669
01:49:16.080 --> 01:49:18.376
around the table now is that I'm happy

2670
01:49:18.400 --> 01:49:20.536
for this to be um all of these things

2671
01:49:20.560 --> 01:49:22.456
that have been softened to be

2672
01:49:22.480 --> 01:49:25.480
non-mandatory. I'm certainly happy to um

2673
01:49:26.639 --> 01:49:28.936
you know more or less take a a sort of

2674
01:49:28.960 --> 01:49:31.496
asis approach on that. I don't want to

2675
01:49:31.520 --> 01:49:33.655
be ease and graces with that sort of

2676
01:49:33.679 --> 01:49:36.215
thing. But a point that was made to me

2677
01:49:36.239 --> 01:49:39.095
which I I accept and again I'll I'll

2678
01:49:39.119 --> 01:49:42.119
take on um on a trial basis is that

2679
01:49:42.239 --> 01:49:44.376
Phyllis Mill put it to me that some

2680
01:49:44.400 --> 01:49:46.056
councils have had a lot of trouble

2681
01:49:46.080 --> 01:49:48.215
getting proper conduct around the table.

2682
01:49:48.239 --> 01:49:50.456
And look, I don't think we've had major

2683
01:49:50.480 --> 01:49:52.215
issues, but obviously part of my job is

2684
01:49:52.239 --> 01:49:54.376
to make sure that people don't talk

2685
01:49:54.400 --> 01:49:57.256
across the table or or or go through

2686
01:49:57.280 --> 01:49:58.776
must go through the mayor and do things

2687
01:49:58.800 --> 01:50:00.536
in the proper order. and she just

2688
01:50:00.560 --> 01:50:02.135
suggested that in a number of councils

2689
01:50:02.159 --> 01:50:04.536
which were particularly unruly, they

2690
01:50:04.560 --> 01:50:07.095
they bought in before this was the case

2691
01:50:07.119 --> 01:50:10.119
that you had to stand to speak and it

2692
01:50:10.560 --> 01:50:12.296
just makes it abundantly clear who has

2693
01:50:12.320 --> 01:50:15.016
the floor and and it makes discipline a

2694
01:50:15.040 --> 01:50:18.040
lot um you know the compliance was a lot

2695
01:50:18.560 --> 01:50:21.016
better. So, I just took that on board.

2696
01:50:21.040 --> 01:50:23.095
Um, and I I suppose I'd be just saying

2697
01:50:23.119 --> 01:50:26.119
that I I don't want to treat it like um

2698
01:50:26.239 --> 01:50:29.095
a classroom. But that that interested me

2699
01:50:29.119 --> 01:50:30.695
a bit in that if we ever got to the

2700
01:50:30.719 --> 01:50:32.695
point or indeed a future council where

2701
01:50:32.719 --> 01:50:35.095
there was things that were particularly

2702
01:50:35.119 --> 01:50:36.936
contentious and people were not uh

2703
01:50:36.960 --> 01:50:39.256
obeying the directions of the chair, um

2704
01:50:39.280 --> 01:50:41.336
you know, we we could we have that

2705
01:50:41.360 --> 01:50:43.816
option to adopt that stance. But that is

2706
01:50:43.840 --> 01:50:46.215
as it stands today. I'd be just taking

2707
01:50:46.239 --> 01:50:47.816
it on board as being something that we

2708
01:50:47.840 --> 01:50:49.736
can consider.

2709
01:50:49.760 --> 01:50:51.175
Thank you. Uh council funny.

2710
01:50:51.199 --> 01:50:53.655
Yes. So he had written down about the

2711
01:50:53.679 --> 01:50:56.376
the standing um as well. These chairs

2712
01:50:56.400 --> 01:50:58.936
really don't allow for that nor does our

2713
01:50:58.960 --> 01:51:01.336
microphone system. So um I think that

2714
01:51:01.360 --> 01:51:04.135
would be an unnecessary expenditure but

2715
01:51:04.159 --> 01:51:07.016
it's optional which was not how I I took

2716
01:51:07.040 --> 01:51:10.040
it. Um I'm concerned about the um

2717
01:51:11.119 --> 01:51:13.736
attire. Yes, we all are turn up guest

2718
01:51:13.760 --> 01:51:15.256
appropriately

2719
01:51:15.280 --> 01:51:18.280
and I know um I I can quote an example

2720
01:51:19.520 --> 01:51:21.256
of of someone who didn't and the

2721
01:51:21.280 --> 01:51:22.615
council, you know, did have to put

2722
01:51:22.639 --> 01:51:25.416
something like that in place. Um

2723
01:51:25.440 --> 01:51:28.056
corporate attire is um a long stretch

2724
01:51:28.080 --> 01:51:30.695
from clean and tidy. Um and and

2725
01:51:30.719 --> 01:51:32.615
potentially there's an expense that can

2726
01:51:32.639 --> 01:51:34.856
be incurred by councilors in in meeting

2727
01:51:34.880 --> 01:51:37.880
that standard. Um, some councils have a

2728
01:51:38.159 --> 01:51:40.215
uniform policy that allows for council

2729
01:51:40.239 --> 01:51:43.239
laws to purchase uniform from from the

2730
01:51:44.080 --> 01:51:47.016
the work wear range. Um, I don't know

2731
01:51:47.040 --> 01:51:48.536
that that's necessary.

2732
01:51:48.560 --> 01:51:51.336
Oh, this is not my thing.

2733
01:51:51.360 --> 01:51:54.360
No, but um you know this the corporate

2734
01:51:56.560 --> 01:51:59.416
Yeah. Uh I I don't want to go down that

2735
01:51:59.440 --> 01:52:02.440
path, but um I am concerned that that

2736
01:52:02.719 --> 01:52:05.719
may preclude somebody from um standing

2737
01:52:06.320 --> 01:52:07.816
for council because they just simply

2738
01:52:07.840 --> 01:52:10.840
can't afford it. And so um also with in

2739
01:52:11.199 --> 01:52:13.896
terms of attire, we're talking about um

2740
01:52:13.920 --> 01:52:16.776
uh members of the uh public attending

2741
01:52:16.800 --> 01:52:18.615
the meetings and not having symbols of

2742
01:52:18.639 --> 01:52:21.175
protest. Um, I can come attend this in

2743
01:52:21.199 --> 01:52:24.135
corporate attire, but I can wear a badge

2744
01:52:24.159 --> 01:52:27.159
um protesting any political uh movement

2745
01:52:27.199 --> 01:52:28.856
that I'd like and I would like to see

2746
01:52:28.880 --> 01:52:31.880
that um the symbols of protest extended

2747
01:52:32.320 --> 01:52:34.135
or we ensure that that is extended to

2748
01:52:34.159 --> 01:52:37.159
counselors. Um

2749
01:52:37.520 --> 01:52:40.520
so those are simply the uh attendance um

2750
01:52:41.360 --> 01:52:44.215
it says and I think it's rather vague in

2751
01:52:44.239 --> 01:52:47.239
illness or other medical reasons. What

2752
01:52:47.360 --> 01:52:50.360
what do we as council laws consider

2753
01:52:50.400 --> 01:52:52.376
other medical reasons to be? Is this

2754
01:52:52.400 --> 01:52:54.695
that I'm attending a medical appointment

2755
01:52:54.719 --> 01:52:56.936
in CRA and I just can't get back in

2756
01:52:56.960 --> 01:52:59.496
time? So I stop, you know. So what what

2757
01:52:59.520 --> 01:53:02.520
do we consider to be acceptable under

2758
01:53:02.560 --> 01:53:04.695
that? I mean, I'd be thinking things

2759
01:53:04.719 --> 01:53:07.719
like um you know, if you're infected,

2760
01:53:09.119 --> 01:53:11.336
like if you had a flu or something like

2761
01:53:11.360 --> 01:53:13.336
that, where it's I suppose it's

2762
01:53:13.360 --> 01:53:16.135
potentially calling else anyway, but but

2763
01:53:16.159 --> 01:53:17.655
it's a medical thing that's you know,

2764
01:53:17.679 --> 01:53:18.456
not

2765
01:53:18.480 --> 01:53:20.215
you still could physically come, but it

2766
01:53:20.239 --> 01:53:21.336
would not be wise, but

2767
01:53:21.360 --> 01:53:24.360
child,

2768
01:53:25.760 --> 01:53:27.816
but but anyway, just to make look, I

2769
01:53:27.840 --> 01:53:29.496
don't want to quell the discussions, but

2770
01:53:29.520 --> 01:53:32.520
I just want to say that um Minister

2771
01:53:33.360 --> 01:53:34.856
And even with the thing about dress

2772
01:53:34.880 --> 01:53:36.695
standards and about the mayor, his

2773
01:53:36.719 --> 01:53:38.856
sentiments are admirable in that he

2774
01:53:38.880 --> 01:53:41.175
believes local government is the most

2775
01:53:41.199 --> 01:53:42.695
important tier of government that

2776
01:53:42.719 --> 01:53:45.095
represents um grassroots people around

2777
01:53:45.119 --> 01:53:47.095
Australia. And one of his broad

2778
01:53:47.119 --> 01:53:49.336
intentions is to elevate our status so

2779
01:53:49.360 --> 01:53:52.360
that we um get the respect not just the

2780
01:53:52.800 --> 01:53:55.016
mayor but councilors get the the respect

2781
01:53:55.040 --> 01:53:57.655
of their community and are treated in a

2782
01:53:57.679 --> 01:53:59.336
special way. And and you can see some of

2783
01:53:59.360 --> 01:54:01.416
these things I think are aimed at that

2784
01:54:01.440 --> 01:54:03.256
that that it gives a a professional

2785
01:54:03.280 --> 01:54:05.256
thing. But I mean the reality of this as

2786
01:54:05.280 --> 01:54:06.695
the director has already pointed out if

2787
01:54:06.719 --> 01:54:09.496
it's in black we we roll with it. And it

2788
01:54:09.520 --> 01:54:12.215
would only be if somebody were to raise

2789
01:54:12.239 --> 01:54:15.239
an issue and say you know I I wish to um

2790
01:54:16.239 --> 01:54:17.976
say that a certain council has not met

2791
01:54:18.000 --> 01:54:19.736
code of conduct that we would then have

2792
01:54:19.760 --> 01:54:21.976
to make a determination on

2793
01:54:22.000 --> 01:54:23.575
interpretation of this wording as to

2794
01:54:23.599 --> 01:54:25.496
whether that was the case.

2795
01:54:25.520 --> 01:54:28.056
Um, is there any other comments on the

2796
01:54:28.080 --> 01:54:29.896
code? Council Harris,

2797
01:54:29.920 --> 01:54:32.920
I just wanted to just comment on the

2798
01:54:33.360 --> 01:54:36.360
tire as well.

2799
01:54:37.679 --> 01:54:40.456
Um, yeah, believe that needle tidier

2800
01:54:40.480 --> 01:54:41.976
tire

2801
01:54:42.000 --> 01:54:45.000
um should be uh acceptable rather than

2802
01:54:46.080 --> 01:54:47.816
tire.

2803
01:54:47.840 --> 01:54:50.840
Um there's an issue in uh 3 uh 10 uh

2804
01:54:53.679 --> 01:54:56.376
where the lines repeated

2805
01:54:56.400 --> 01:54:58.296
and that needs to be fixed.

2806
01:54:58.320 --> 01:55:01.320
Yeah.

2807
01:55:04.560 --> 01:55:06.376
Very good.

2808
01:55:06.400 --> 01:55:07.896
Thanks for pointing out we'll get that

2809
01:55:07.920 --> 01:55:09.016
attended

2810
01:55:09.040 --> 01:55:11.896
and yeah I guess the other thing is the

2811
01:55:11.920 --> 01:55:14.056
start time for council. There's been

2812
01:55:14.080 --> 01:55:16.936
some discussions about that in the past

2813
01:55:16.960 --> 01:55:18.296
but

2814
01:55:18.320 --> 01:55:21.320
you ever have a resolve to move it and

2815
01:55:21.520 --> 01:55:24.456
um I guess I'd like to move in commit to

2816
01:55:24.480 --> 01:55:27.480
the committee of of the whole just to

2817
01:55:29.760 --> 01:55:32.760
um I guess have discussions around that.

2818
01:55:33.920 --> 01:55:36.056
Right. Um was there a second to that

2819
01:55:36.080 --> 01:55:38.536
motion to move to finish the hole?

2820
01:55:38.560 --> 01:55:39.896
I think

2821
01:55:39.920 --> 01:55:42.920
can I just make a comment? I believe we

2822
01:55:43.040 --> 01:55:46.040
we resolved the time for for this term

2823
01:55:47.440 --> 01:55:50.440
and it was to be reviewed next year.

2824
01:55:52.000 --> 01:55:53.496
Okay.

2825
01:55:53.520 --> 01:55:56.376
Um it's reviewed on an annual basis when

2826
01:55:56.400 --> 01:55:59.400
we look at the committee structures the

2827
01:55:59.760 --> 01:56:02.536
agenda and the ting face of the issue.

2828
01:56:02.560 --> 01:56:05.336
So it has been resolved.

2829
01:56:05.360 --> 01:56:07.896
I mean having said that like any motion

2830
01:56:07.920 --> 01:56:09.736
that's more than 3 months old can be

2831
01:56:09.760 --> 01:56:12.536
revisited. Um so I mean if they felt

2832
01:56:12.560 --> 01:56:14.695
strongly enough that we wanted to

2833
01:56:14.719 --> 01:56:17.719
revisit that we could um but as you say

2834
01:56:17.760 --> 01:56:19.336
we have had discussion length of

2835
01:56:19.360 --> 01:56:22.360
discussion on this already.

2836
01:56:22.560 --> 01:56:23.896
Um

2837
01:56:23.920 --> 01:56:26.856
can I just make a quick comment about

2838
01:56:26.880 --> 01:56:29.175
when we're looking at corporate attire

2839
01:56:29.199 --> 01:56:31.575
it depends in what field of corporate

2840
01:56:31.599 --> 01:56:34.599
you belong. So I think if you have for

2841
01:56:36.480 --> 01:56:38.456
example something that's clean

2842
01:56:38.480 --> 01:56:39.256
sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry

2843
01:56:39.280 --> 01:56:39.281
sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry

2844
01:56:39.280 --> 01:56:39.281
sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry

2845
01:56:39.280 --> 01:56:39.575
sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry to

2846
01:56:39.599 --> 01:56:41.736
interrupt counc before you do go on why

2847
01:56:41.760 --> 01:56:44.056
don't I just put I might just put um a

2848
01:56:44.080 --> 01:56:46.056
motion that we do move to committee hold

2849
01:56:46.080 --> 01:56:48.135
in any event just so that allows that

2850
01:56:48.159 --> 01:56:49.976
discussion rather than otherwise it

2851
01:56:50.000 --> 01:56:53.000
should be a question or or a um a for or

2852
01:56:54.000 --> 01:56:56.536
against. So could I move that we enter

2853
01:56:56.560 --> 01:56:57.496
the committee of the whole? Could I have

2854
01:56:57.520 --> 01:56:59.496
a second for that? Councelor Cameron.

2855
01:56:59.520 --> 01:57:01.575
All those in favor. I

2856
01:57:01.599 --> 01:57:02.695
sorry councelor Reynolds please

2857
01:57:02.719 --> 01:57:03.896
continue.

2858
01:57:03.920 --> 01:57:06.920
Um so looking at a time I think uh all

2859
01:57:07.119 --> 01:57:09.496
of us come from professional and

2860
01:57:09.520 --> 01:57:12.056
semi-professional backgrounds. When we

2861
01:57:12.080 --> 01:57:14.776
are carrying out business we need to

2862
01:57:14.800 --> 01:57:17.575
look the part and we when we are out and

2863
01:57:17.599 --> 01:57:20.599
about we are representing the council.

2864
01:57:21.679 --> 01:57:24.296
Common sense should prevail here. Um,

2865
01:57:24.320 --> 01:57:26.536
obviously, you know, ripped jeans would

2866
01:57:26.560 --> 01:57:29.560
not be considered perhaps acceptable.

2867
01:57:30.400 --> 01:57:33.400
Um, but again, if you've got a jacket

2868
01:57:33.440 --> 01:57:35.736
and a clean shirt and a clean pair of

2869
01:57:35.760 --> 01:57:38.296
trousers or jeans or whatever, that is

2870
01:57:38.320 --> 01:57:41.095
acceptable. So, I I don't think we can

2871
01:57:41.119 --> 01:57:44.119
have hard and fast rules because fashion

2872
01:57:44.159 --> 01:57:47.159
is such a subjective topic.

2873
01:57:47.280 --> 01:57:48.695
Okay, understand. And look, I'd just

2874
01:57:48.719 --> 01:57:50.056
make the comment that like places like

2875
01:57:50.080 --> 01:57:52.296
the AJ and clubs like that, they

2876
01:57:52.320 --> 01:57:53.896
actually have a definition of what

2877
01:57:53.920 --> 01:57:56.215
business attire is very strict. This is

2878
01:57:56.239 --> 01:57:58.776
clearly just a general sentiment that I

2879
01:57:58.800 --> 01:58:01.655
think, you know, I don't want to suggest

2880
01:58:01.679 --> 01:58:03.496
it has no enforcement, but I think it's

2881
01:58:03.520 --> 01:58:05.575
just a general guidance, which I don't

2882
01:58:05.599 --> 01:58:06.615
think we're going to get too carried

2883
01:58:06.639 --> 01:58:09.575
away here uh saying where you can or

2884
01:58:09.599 --> 01:58:12.215
can't wear jeans or whatever. Um, so

2885
01:58:12.239 --> 01:58:13.736
that's just a general judge. So, sorry,

2886
01:58:13.760 --> 01:58:16.760
returning to councelor Harris. Um

2887
01:58:17.199 --> 01:58:19.816
you have did you um

2888
01:58:19.840 --> 01:58:22.135
I guess personally I prefer we started

2889
01:58:22.159 --> 01:58:24.856
the meetings much earlier in the day.

2890
01:58:24.880 --> 01:58:27.880
Um yeah feel like most of those half the

2891
01:58:28.080 --> 01:58:30.776
day is gone before we even started. Um

2892
01:58:30.800 --> 01:58:33.655
and just I guess allow us to extend the

2893
01:58:33.679 --> 01:58:36.679
meetings without having to I guess at

2894
01:58:37.679 --> 01:58:39.256
the moment we rush through things at the

2895
01:58:39.280 --> 01:58:41.736
end and yeah prefer it if we had a bit

2896
01:58:41.760 --> 01:58:44.760
more time to uh do that without um

2897
01:58:45.599 --> 01:58:48.456
without the rush. Um, another area um

2898
01:58:48.480 --> 01:58:51.480
that I think I'd like to see changed is

2899
01:58:52.400 --> 01:58:55.400
around the uh the public forums. I think

2900
01:58:56.480 --> 01:58:59.480
we're much too restricted and um at the

2901
01:59:00.719 --> 01:59:03.719
moment uh it would be

2902
01:59:04.719 --> 01:59:05.976
like if someone finds out about

2903
01:59:06.000 --> 01:59:07.336
something a day or two before the

2904
01:59:07.360 --> 01:59:10.360
meeting which is what happened this week

2905
01:59:10.639 --> 01:59:12.456
uh they're unable to uh actually come

2906
01:59:12.480 --> 01:59:15.256
and talk at the meeting prefer something

2907
01:59:15.280 --> 01:59:18.280
along the lines of ultimately at the

2908
01:59:18.320 --> 01:59:20.536
start time of the meeting you asked

2909
01:59:20.560 --> 01:59:22.296
anyone in the gallery if they would like

2910
01:59:22.320 --> 01:59:25.320
to uh speak to the public forum And if

2911
01:59:26.080 --> 01:59:29.080
someone would like to um or any people

2912
01:59:29.920 --> 01:59:32.920
would like to they give 5 minutes each

2913
01:59:33.040 --> 01:59:35.016
um and

2914
01:59:35.040 --> 01:59:37.896
they we you've got to keep them on topic

2915
01:59:37.920 --> 01:59:39.736
that something to do with what's in the

2916
01:59:39.760 --> 01:59:42.056
meeting. Um but make sure they don't

2917
01:59:42.080 --> 01:59:44.536
defame anyone or

2918
01:59:44.560 --> 01:59:46.936
but other than that um yeah I think they

2919
01:59:46.960 --> 01:59:49.960
should be free to talk about 5 minutes.

2920
01:59:51.280 --> 01:59:53.016
Um

2921
01:59:53.040 --> 01:59:55.095
yeah and ultimately if we start the

2922
01:59:55.119 --> 01:59:57.976
public forum at the when the council

2923
01:59:58.000 --> 02:00:01.000
meeting was to begin uh once the forum

2924
02:00:01.119 --> 02:00:03.256
concludes maybe a 10-minute uh break

2925
02:00:03.280 --> 02:00:04.695
before we then actually start the

2926
02:00:04.719 --> 02:00:06.936
council meeting. Um

2927
02:00:06.960 --> 02:00:09.960
yeah like to see something like that

2928
02:00:11.119 --> 02:00:14.119
included. Um, yeah. And I think it just

2929
02:00:14.320 --> 02:00:17.016
replace the requires corporate attire to

2930
02:00:17.040 --> 02:00:19.175
just neat and tidy attire.

2931
02:00:19.199 --> 02:00:21.016
Um, or something along those lines.

2932
02:00:21.040 --> 02:00:24.040
It doesn't say, does it?

2933
02:00:24.719 --> 02:00:27.719
Um, I say we'll have to get to specifics

2934
02:00:28.480 --> 02:00:31.416
to try to, you know, wrap this up. But,

2935
02:00:31.440 --> 02:00:32.376
um,

2936
02:00:32.400 --> 02:00:34.776
just with regard to public forums, um,

2937
02:00:34.800 --> 02:00:36.215
you'll note that it's in black, which

2938
02:00:36.239 --> 02:00:38.776
means it's mandatory. It does state that

2939
02:00:38.800 --> 02:00:40.695
the council may hold public forum prior

2940
02:00:40.719 --> 02:00:42.215
to meetings of the council and

2941
02:00:42.239 --> 02:00:43.896
committees of council for the purpose of

2942
02:00:43.920 --> 02:00:45.816
hearing oral submissions from members of

2943
02:00:45.840 --> 02:00:47.896
the public on items of business to be

2944
02:00:47.920 --> 02:00:50.296
conducted um considered sorry at the

2945
02:00:50.320 --> 02:00:52.776
meeting. So it's very specific about it

2946
02:00:52.800 --> 02:00:54.615
being items that are on the business

2947
02:00:54.639 --> 02:00:55.016
paper.

2948
02:00:55.040 --> 02:00:58.040
Yeah, I meant that yeah we they would

2949
02:00:58.159 --> 02:01:01.159
still be directed to uh discuss items

2950
02:01:01.840 --> 02:01:04.296
that are in the paper, not uh go off

2951
02:01:04.320 --> 02:01:04.856
that.

2952
02:01:04.880 --> 02:01:06.615
That's right. you can't you can't just

2953
02:01:06.639 --> 02:01:07.575
introduce anything

2954
02:01:07.599 --> 02:01:10.599
but um but they wouldn't have to um I

2955
02:01:11.199 --> 02:01:13.416
guess pre-book that they're going to be

2956
02:01:13.440 --> 02:01:16.376
speaking in it so we can allow them to

2957
02:01:16.400 --> 02:01:19.336
uh they turn up on the day

2958
02:01:19.360 --> 02:01:19.896
to uh

2959
02:01:19.920 --> 02:01:22.776
or we make the the time closer to the

2960
02:01:22.800 --> 02:01:24.296
meetings at 5:00. I guess the only

2961
02:01:24.320 --> 02:01:25.736
problem with that is we've also been

2962
02:01:25.760 --> 02:01:27.976
criticized for for not giving notice of

2963
02:01:28.000 --> 02:01:30.296
a public forum like if somebody if if

2964
02:01:30.320 --> 02:01:31.896
somebody wants to speak on a particular

2965
02:01:31.920 --> 02:01:34.776
topic just that that middlely is in the

2966
02:01:34.800 --> 02:01:36.856
papers but but no one else knows about

2967
02:01:36.880 --> 02:01:39.575
it then someone who feels the other way

2968
02:01:39.599 --> 02:01:40.856
you know sort of got to be given the

2969
02:01:40.880 --> 02:01:43.575
opportunity to will at least know that's

2970
02:01:43.599 --> 02:01:45.575
happening so they can that's my view

2971
02:01:45.599 --> 02:01:48.599
anyway. No, sounds fine. Um, just in

2972
02:01:48.880 --> 02:01:51.095
respect to the public forum, I agree

2973
02:01:51.119 --> 02:01:53.496
with the notice because I think that you

2974
02:01:53.520 --> 02:01:55.736
should give the council if you apply to

2975
02:01:55.760 --> 02:01:57.416
speak at the public forum and give due

2976
02:01:57.440 --> 02:01:59.416
notice which is currently 3 days, three

2977
02:01:59.440 --> 02:02:01.896
business days if I'm agree. I think the

2978
02:02:01.920 --> 02:02:04.536
broader issue is when the papers are

2979
02:02:04.560 --> 02:02:06.936
issued for the council meeting because

2980
02:02:06.960 --> 02:02:08.776
it doesn't really give much opportunity.

2981
02:02:08.800 --> 02:02:11.175
So if you issue the papers online or the

2982
02:02:11.199 --> 02:02:13.896
agenda items online say on the Friday

2983
02:02:13.920 --> 02:02:16.376
that really only gives that person to

2984
02:02:16.400 --> 02:02:18.856
apply to speak at the public forum

2985
02:02:18.880 --> 02:02:21.016
till Monday morning to submit it right

2986
02:02:21.040 --> 02:02:23.336
to be three to be within that time

2987
02:02:23.360 --> 02:02:26.360
frame. So I would suggest that maybe you

2988
02:02:26.560 --> 02:02:29.095
advertise it earlier or issue it even on

2989
02:02:29.119 --> 02:02:31.256
just one day earlier. Put the papers

2990
02:02:31.280 --> 02:02:34.135
online say at least on the Thursday so

2991
02:02:34.159 --> 02:02:36.135
it gives them an opportunity to apply

2992
02:02:36.159 --> 02:02:38.456
within the time frame that's already

2993
02:02:38.480 --> 02:02:41.175
prescribed. I think that's a broader

2994
02:02:41.199 --> 02:02:44.199
issue than people not being able to

2995
02:02:44.400 --> 02:02:45.736
speak to it.

2996
02:02:45.760 --> 02:02:48.215
Change that deadline to apply to being

2997
02:02:48.239 --> 02:02:51.239
um the Wednesday afternoon by 400 p.m.

2998
02:02:51.280 --> 02:02:52.936
Yeah, exactly. like put a put a

2999
02:02:52.960 --> 02:02:55.416
definitive time frame on it but you know

3000
02:02:55.440 --> 02:02:57.496
if you if you apply in this time frame

3001
02:02:57.520 --> 02:02:58.856
yes we can check your

3002
02:02:58.880 --> 02:03:00.936
youration

3003
02:03:00.960 --> 02:03:02.776
I suggest one possibility I don't know

3004
02:03:02.800 --> 02:03:04.536
if it's legal to take advice but would

3005
02:03:04.560 --> 02:03:07.560
be to release the agenda

3006
02:03:08.080 --> 02:03:10.776
correct because we the agenda is already

3007
02:03:10.800 --> 02:03:13.016
known it's really just the working up of

3008
02:03:13.040 --> 02:03:14.376
the papers and

3009
02:03:14.400 --> 02:03:15.976
so instead of putting it out on the

3010
02:03:16.000 --> 02:03:18.615
Friday online or whenever it's available

3011
02:03:18.639 --> 02:03:20.215
sorry by agenda I mean not the full

3012
02:03:20.239 --> 02:03:22.776
papers but just the front

3013
02:03:22.800 --> 02:03:24.296
the

3014
02:03:24.320 --> 02:03:25.416
table of context.

3015
02:03:25.440 --> 02:03:27.496
Um, council

3016
02:03:27.520 --> 02:03:30.520
uh just going back to um go senator uh

3017
02:03:32.560 --> 02:03:35.175
councelor Harris's

3018
02:03:35.199 --> 02:03:37.256
just going back to congratulations on

3019
02:03:37.280 --> 02:03:40.280
your appointment to the uh Greg. Um back

3020
02:03:40.480 --> 02:03:43.480
to councelor Harris's um comment about

3021
02:03:43.520 --> 02:03:45.496
starting meetings earlier. Uh that'd be

3022
02:03:45.520 --> 02:03:46.936
something I'd be pretty interested in.

3023
02:03:46.960 --> 02:03:49.256
Um, I'm acutely conscious that where

3024
02:03:49.280 --> 02:03:51.575
we've got really big agendas, and it's

3025
02:03:51.599 --> 02:03:53.175
great that we've got big agendas, that

3026
02:03:53.199 --> 02:03:55.256
means we're thinking about dealing with

3027
02:03:55.280 --> 02:03:57.575
important stuff for our community

3028
02:03:57.599 --> 02:03:59.816
members. Um,

3029
02:03:59.840 --> 02:04:01.896
uh, and it's, uh, it's important that

3030
02:04:01.920 --> 02:04:04.456
that gets due consideration. Um, uh, if

3031
02:04:04.480 --> 02:04:06.056
we were to start the meetings earlier, I

3032
02:04:06.080 --> 02:04:07.575
think that would actually give us the

3033
02:04:07.599 --> 02:04:09.896
scope to go a little bit longer, uh,

3034
02:04:09.920 --> 02:04:12.536
into the afternoon. Uh I if we perhaps

3035
02:04:12.560 --> 02:04:15.016
started earlier than 1:30, u I'd be I'd

3036
02:04:15.040 --> 02:04:16.856
be prepared to give that some pretty

3037
02:04:16.880 --> 02:04:19.496
positive consideration.

3038
02:04:19.520 --> 02:04:21.575
Well, can we we're just going around to

3039
02:04:21.599 --> 02:04:23.416
Can we Can we Can we have a motion if

3040
02:04:23.440 --> 02:04:25.575
we're if we're wanting to amend anything

3041
02:04:25.599 --> 02:04:27.416
um so that we can

3042
02:04:27.440 --> 02:04:28.936
Well, we're in committee at the whole

3043
02:04:28.960 --> 02:04:30.536
Well, we are, but I just mean, you know,

3044
02:04:30.560 --> 02:04:32.776
we've got to get to a point here to deal

3045
02:04:32.800 --> 02:04:34.376
with some of these issues. Um

3046
02:04:34.400 --> 02:04:37.016
so there's there's two issues. There's

3047
02:04:37.040 --> 02:04:39.416
the issuing of the agenda early.

3048
02:04:39.440 --> 02:04:41.095
Yeah. And the second one is the starting

3049
02:04:41.119 --> 02:04:43.016
time of the meetings.

3050
02:04:43.040 --> 02:04:43.896
Two motions.

3051
02:04:43.920 --> 02:04:45.175
All right. Well,

3052
02:04:45.199 --> 02:04:48.135
corporate tire was

3053
02:04:48.159 --> 02:04:51.159
neat and tidy or corporate. Corporate.

3054
02:04:51.199 --> 02:04:52.776
I think corporate's the wording that

3055
02:04:52.800 --> 02:04:54.376
it's not negotiable, isn't it?

3056
02:04:54.400 --> 02:04:56.056
Yeah. But it says encouraged. It's not

3057
02:04:56.080 --> 02:04:56.776
encouraged.

3058
02:04:56.800 --> 02:04:58.376
Yeah. But all that means is the

3059
02:04:58.400 --> 02:05:00.695
enforcement of it is not true. But we do

3060
02:05:00.719 --> 02:05:03.496
have to say that word.

3061
02:05:03.520 --> 02:05:05.336
So So I don't think unfortunately that

3062
02:05:05.360 --> 02:05:06.536
one I don't think we can do anything

3063
02:05:06.560 --> 02:05:06.856
about.

3064
02:05:06.880 --> 02:05:07.736
You just leave that one.

3065
02:05:07.760 --> 02:05:09.736
Yeah. And it does say encourage. It

3066
02:05:09.760 --> 02:05:11.016
doesn't say that you'll be knocked at

3067
02:05:11.040 --> 02:05:13.655
the door if you

3068
02:05:13.679 --> 02:05:16.679
in the actual um the model um uh version

3069
02:05:18.800 --> 02:05:21.736
of the document uh 5.2 actually says the

3070
02:05:21.760 --> 02:05:24.615
council may determine standards of dress

3071
02:05:24.639 --> 02:05:26.536
for counselors when attending meetings.

3072
02:05:26.560 --> 02:05:26.936
Oh yeah.

3073
02:05:26.960 --> 02:05:29.175
So it doesn't actually

3074
02:05:29.199 --> 02:05:31.816
uh refer to corporate dress or anything

3075
02:05:31.840 --> 02:05:33.655
like that in the actual original.

3076
02:05:33.679 --> 02:05:34.135
Okay.

3077
02:05:34.159 --> 02:05:35.816
Yeah. So that that wording comes

3078
02:05:35.840 --> 02:05:38.215
directly out of our current code. So

3079
02:05:38.239 --> 02:05:39.736
we've just replicated that and that's

3080
02:05:39.760 --> 02:05:41.816
why it's highlighted in yellow

3081
02:05:41.840 --> 02:05:44.695
for attention likewise a number of parts

3082
02:05:44.719 --> 02:05:45.336
of it.

3083
02:05:45.360 --> 02:05:46.856
Okay. So if we didn't want corporate

3084
02:05:46.880 --> 02:05:49.816
attire, what what's the suggestion that

3085
02:05:49.840 --> 02:05:52.840
um that we need need to attire or

3086
02:05:53.440 --> 02:05:55.095
I think the corporate attire is there

3087
02:05:55.119 --> 02:05:58.119
but the yellow was was us and we had

3088
02:05:58.320 --> 02:06:01.016
that's what we previously had within our

3089
02:06:01.040 --> 02:06:04.040
go to the black and black one which is

3090
02:06:04.159 --> 02:06:06.135
corporate attire where possible

3091
02:06:06.159 --> 02:06:09.159
is encouraged.

3092
02:06:11.520 --> 02:06:13.736
You you prefer it to be what's in the

3093
02:06:13.760 --> 02:06:15.575
model code.

3094
02:06:15.599 --> 02:06:17.655
Sorry. Through the mayor of Yeah, as

3095
02:06:17.679 --> 02:06:20.679
council said, if it goes through the the

3096
02:06:20.880 --> 02:06:22.615
proposed moral moral code, it's

3097
02:06:22.639 --> 02:06:25.639
encouraged, which is um which is not a

3098
02:06:26.960 --> 02:06:29.336
may. It's a it's a well, sorry, is a

3099
02:06:29.360 --> 02:06:32.360
may, it's not a will. Um and so if we

3100
02:06:33.199 --> 02:06:36.199
adopt the uh the the language in the

3101
02:06:36.719 --> 02:06:39.719
proposed code that covers

3102
02:06:40.000 --> 02:06:43.000
um common sense. Well, is there

3103
02:06:43.280 --> 02:06:45.175
anything? Can I just clarify council to

3104
02:06:45.199 --> 02:06:47.016
the council may determine. So it's

3105
02:06:47.040 --> 02:06:48.695
really saying it's up to council to

3106
02:06:48.719 --> 02:06:51.175
determine. Yeah. So we can even remain

3107
02:06:51.199 --> 02:06:54.199
silent and use 5.2 which would be open

3108
02:06:54.320 --> 02:06:57.320
to anyone turning up in any tire. That's

3109
02:06:57.920 --> 02:06:59.976
that's my reading of it.

3110
02:07:00.000 --> 02:07:02.456
Ultimately what I'm wearing won't packed

3111
02:07:02.480 --> 02:07:05.480
on the job that I'm doing. And we have I

3112
02:07:05.760 --> 02:07:08.215
don't think it well I don't think anyone

3113
02:07:08.239 --> 02:07:09.816
here is going to turn up in shorts and

3114
02:07:09.840 --> 02:07:11.976
t-shirts or anything like that. Uh I

3115
02:07:12.000 --> 02:07:13.575
don't think we need any sort of

3116
02:07:13.599 --> 02:07:15.256
instructions.

3117
02:07:15.280 --> 02:07:16.776
Um

3118
02:07:16.800 --> 02:07:19.800
yeah, should be very

3119
02:07:21.599 --> 02:07:21.816
Yeah.

3120
02:07:21.840 --> 02:07:23.496
So that's a consensus. We'll go back to

3121
02:07:23.520 --> 02:07:26.520
the the 5.2 from the

3122
02:07:27.040 --> 02:07:27.896
That's fine.

3123
02:07:27.920 --> 02:07:30.776
So

3124
02:07:30.800 --> 02:07:33.800
we'll make a motion that um

3125
02:07:33.920 --> 02:07:36.776
item 5.2 be adopted as concerns.

3126
02:07:36.800 --> 02:07:39.175
Well, I'll as a matter of course make

3127
02:07:39.199 --> 02:07:41.095
that change and put that on All right.

3128
02:07:41.119 --> 02:07:42.856
So they don't need a motion. We'll just

3129
02:07:42.880 --> 02:07:45.575
note that.

3130
02:07:45.599 --> 02:07:47.256
Okay, that's good. So that's one point

3131
02:07:47.280 --> 02:07:49.175
resolved.

3132
02:07:49.199 --> 02:07:52.199
Um so starting time the council meetings

3133
02:07:52.719 --> 02:07:55.016
uh as we know are currently 1:30. Um so

3134
02:07:55.040 --> 02:07:58.040
what what would you propose?

3135
02:07:59.119 --> 02:08:01.175
I just think the main issue is couple

3136
02:08:01.199 --> 02:08:03.496
issues I raised before. One is we want

3137
02:08:03.520 --> 02:08:04.776
to make it so that the staff are

3138
02:08:04.800 --> 02:08:07.256
obviously typically here. um you know

3139
02:08:07.280 --> 02:08:09.016
that's in the course of business hours

3140
02:08:09.040 --> 02:08:10.695
and and I mean the other issue was when

3141
02:08:10.719 --> 02:08:13.175
we were proposing it to be at night that

3142
02:08:13.199 --> 02:08:15.336
um we didn't impose too much or indeed I

3143
02:08:15.360 --> 02:08:17.095
suppose too early in the morning on the

3144
02:08:17.119 --> 02:08:19.736
wildlife side of things 10:00

3145
02:08:19.760 --> 02:08:22.376
would not 9:00 I started most business

3146
02:08:22.400 --> 02:08:25.400
hours is 9 9 to 5

3147
02:08:26.800 --> 02:08:28.695
the public forum comes before the

3148
02:08:28.719 --> 02:08:30.615
meeting so that you say public forum at

3149
02:08:30.639 --> 02:08:32.856
9 for the public forum

3150
02:08:32.880 --> 02:08:35.175
yeah 9 for the public forum and then

3151
02:08:35.199 --> 02:08:37.336
maybe I mean, how long does public forum

3152
02:08:37.360 --> 02:08:37.896
go for?

3153
02:08:37.920 --> 02:08:40.695
Yeah. Well, cuz just just potentially 45

3154
02:08:40.719 --> 02:08:41.416
minutes, isn't it?

3155
02:08:41.440 --> 02:08:42.615
Yeah. I mean, that's why I was thinking

3156
02:08:42.639 --> 02:08:44.456
10 if you were going to go in the

3157
02:08:44.480 --> 02:08:47.256
morning, um, you give a bit more room if

3158
02:08:47.280 --> 02:08:49.896
there was public forums to occur,

3159
02:08:49.920 --> 02:08:52.456
whereas if we start at 9:00 any council,

3160
02:08:52.480 --> 02:08:54.055
sir,

3161
02:08:54.079 --> 02:08:57.079
point of relevance, the issue of

3162
02:08:57.440 --> 02:09:00.135
starting times and meetings is outside

3163
02:09:00.159 --> 02:09:03.016
of the code of meeting practice. It's a

3164
02:09:03.040 --> 02:09:06.040
different issue. And if the debate about

3165
02:09:06.560 --> 02:09:08.695
the code of meeting practice. We should

3166
02:09:08.719 --> 02:09:11.719
focus on that. The debate about when to

3167
02:09:11.920 --> 02:09:14.920
start and um have your meetings is

3168
02:09:15.280 --> 02:09:16.695
outside of that.

3169
02:09:16.719 --> 02:09:17.655
Right.

3170
02:09:17.679 --> 02:09:20.679
Um so it's on 3.1 here with with what

3171
02:09:21.599 --> 02:09:23.896
the document looking at the council

3172
02:09:23.920 --> 02:09:25.816
shall resolution set the frequency,

3173
02:09:25.840 --> 02:09:27.496
time, date and time and place of its

3174
02:09:27.520 --> 02:09:29.016
ordinary meetings. Then we've got

3175
02:09:29.040 --> 02:09:30.936
involved text after that in yellow.

3176
02:09:30.960 --> 02:09:32.615
Ordinary meetings of council are held at

3177
02:09:32.639 --> 02:09:34.456
core council chambers on the third

3178
02:09:34.480 --> 02:09:37.416
Thursday of each month excluding January

3179
02:09:37.440 --> 02:09:40.440
commencing at 1:30 p.m. unless unless

3180
02:09:40.800 --> 02:09:42.536
otherwise set by resolution of the

3181
02:09:42.560 --> 02:09:44.456
council. So it is within this document

3182
02:09:44.480 --> 02:09:47.480
that we're considering today.

3183
02:09:47.840 --> 02:09:50.376
Yes.

3184
02:09:50.400 --> 02:09:52.055
No. So look, I think that's that's

3185
02:09:52.079 --> 02:09:55.079
correct. We can consider it. So um can I

3186
02:09:55.280 --> 02:09:58.280
just get a debatable point? So we say is

3187
02:09:58.480 --> 02:10:01.480
10:00 something we want to consider? 10.

3188
02:10:01.679 --> 02:10:02.456
Yeah,

3189
02:10:02.480 --> 02:10:03.976
I was just saying the school drop off

3190
02:10:04.000 --> 02:10:06.615
was around 10:00 and

3191
02:10:06.639 --> 02:10:08.376
sorry,

3192
02:10:08.400 --> 02:10:11.400
sorry, we set set a time at 9, then um

3193
02:10:12.239 --> 02:10:14.856
it could be argued that we're um we're

3194
02:10:14.880 --> 02:10:17.575
stopping people from or or creating

3195
02:10:17.599 --> 02:10:20.599
difficulties for people who have

3196
02:10:20.639 --> 02:10:21.896
possibilities to drop it.

3197
02:10:21.920 --> 02:10:23.016
No, I agree with that. And the other

3198
02:10:23.040 --> 02:10:24.695
thing is I like about 10 is from a staff

3199
02:10:24.719 --> 02:10:26.936
point of view like it gives an hour

3200
02:10:26.960 --> 02:10:28.456
after

3201
02:10:28.480 --> 02:10:30.776
technical starting to

3202
02:10:30.800 --> 02:10:31.655
Yeah.

3203
02:10:31.679 --> 02:10:33.655
All right. So, we will we need a motion

3204
02:10:33.679 --> 02:10:35.336
for that just to make sure we've got

3205
02:10:35.360 --> 02:10:37.175
consensus or

3206
02:10:37.199 --> 02:10:38.456
I think it's just an administrative

3207
02:10:38.480 --> 02:10:39.256
thing within the table.

3208
02:10:39.280 --> 02:10:42.280
Well, as long as the the table um are we

3209
02:10:42.880 --> 02:10:43.655
all in favor?

3210
02:10:43.679 --> 02:10:45.336
Well, that's right. Is there any

3211
02:10:45.360 --> 02:10:48.360
objections to us changing giving giving

3212
02:10:48.560 --> 02:10:51.416
a try out at a at 10 a.m. start? Is

3213
02:10:51.440 --> 02:10:53.016
everyone comfortable with that? I

3214
02:10:53.040 --> 02:10:54.936
I'd be looking to see what the staff

3215
02:10:54.960 --> 02:10:56.296
have got to say. They're the ones who

3216
02:10:56.320 --> 02:10:57.575
have worked through these different

3217
02:10:57.599 --> 02:10:59.816
staff.

3218
02:10:59.840 --> 02:11:02.376
and and know the impact on their on

3219
02:11:02.400 --> 02:11:04.615
their day.

3220
02:11:04.639 --> 02:11:06.536
So look, I think that's another point

3221
02:11:06.560 --> 02:11:07.016
before

3222
02:11:07.040 --> 02:11:08.536
that's another point that director is

3223
02:11:08.560 --> 02:11:10.135
just making that with a number of

3224
02:11:10.159 --> 02:11:12.055
matters today, these are all going out

3225
02:11:12.079 --> 02:11:13.736
on exhibition. So I guess what we're

3226
02:11:13.760 --> 02:11:16.760
saying is that if we did adopt 10:00 um

3227
02:11:16.960 --> 02:11:18.376
we might get members of the public who

3228
02:11:18.400 --> 02:11:20.376
have a problem with that. Um indeed

3229
02:11:20.400 --> 02:11:21.575
councilors might have a problem with

3230
02:11:21.599 --> 02:11:23.816
that and that'll come back to us after

3231
02:11:23.840 --> 02:11:25.016
this.

3232
02:11:25.040 --> 02:11:27.256
So defer that decision. Well, I guess

3233
02:11:27.280 --> 02:11:29.496
it's we we're putting forward what we

3234
02:11:29.520 --> 02:11:31.175
think we want, but I'm just saying it's

3235
02:11:31.199 --> 02:11:32.055
not blocked in stone.

3236
02:11:32.079 --> 02:11:33.336
That's right.

3237
02:11:33.360 --> 02:11:33.816
Yeah.

3238
02:11:33.840 --> 02:11:35.256
So, that being the case, if we did put

3239
02:11:35.280 --> 02:11:38.280
in 10, um, we can still have that debate

3240
02:11:38.719 --> 02:11:40.135
later on as well.

3241
02:11:40.159 --> 02:11:43.016
Um, so, look, why don't we just I think

3242
02:11:43.040 --> 02:11:44.936
it's general consensus that it's worth

3243
02:11:44.960 --> 02:11:47.175
tryinging that. So, we'll we'll go for

3244
02:11:47.199 --> 02:11:48.695
that. Now, what was the third item we

3245
02:11:48.719 --> 02:11:51.719
were talking about? There's uh

3246
02:11:51.760 --> 02:11:54.215
we got the the direction the meeting.

3247
02:11:54.239 --> 02:11:57.016
Oh, the the public forum. I I I got a

3248
02:11:57.040 --> 02:11:58.936
feeling it's doesn't it say it has to be

3249
02:11:58.960 --> 02:12:00.695
before the council meeting?

3250
02:12:00.719 --> 02:12:03.336
Yes. No, that's

3251
02:12:03.360 --> 02:12:04.456
I don't think that's what you were

3252
02:12:04.480 --> 02:12:07.480
saying. Was it was the time before?

3253
02:12:08.000 --> 02:12:08.856
Maybe.

3254
02:12:08.880 --> 02:12:10.456
They cannot be held as part of the

3255
02:12:10.480 --> 02:12:13.256
council meeting. That's very clear.

3256
02:12:13.280 --> 02:12:14.936
May hold a public forum prior to

3257
02:12:14.960 --> 02:12:17.575
meetings of the council. So

3258
02:12:17.599 --> 02:12:20.376
be the public forum starting time or the

3259
02:12:20.400 --> 02:12:21.896
meeting.

3260
02:12:21.920 --> 02:12:23.336
Well, at the moment we're saying the

3261
02:12:23.360 --> 02:12:24.776
council meeting 10. So if there was a

3262
02:12:24.800 --> 02:12:27.800
public forum, it would be say 9:30 or

3263
02:12:27.840 --> 02:12:29.256
something like that. And if if there

3264
02:12:29.280 --> 02:12:30.536
wasn't one, of course, we'd all just

3265
02:12:30.560 --> 02:12:31.736
turn up at 10:00.

3266
02:12:31.760 --> 02:12:32.536
Yeah.

3267
02:12:32.560 --> 02:12:34.936
Maybe 9:30 for a public forum and 10:30

3268
02:12:34.960 --> 02:12:37.960
for meeting start just

3269
02:12:38.079 --> 02:12:39.336
allow for an hour.

3270
02:12:39.360 --> 02:12:41.016
Well, the other thing is

3271
02:12:41.040 --> 02:12:44.040
a.m. probably

3272
02:12:44.480 --> 02:12:46.615
and you know public forums typically are

3273
02:12:46.639 --> 02:12:49.639
not an hour. Um, I wouldn't have thought

3274
02:12:49.920 --> 02:12:50.776
um

3275
02:12:50.800 --> 02:12:52.776
9:30 I think is good because again

3276
02:12:52.800 --> 02:12:54.936
you've got chance to drop kids off at

3277
02:12:54.960 --> 02:12:57.496
school and come in. I think it does have

3278
02:12:57.520 --> 02:12:59.416
to be before it because if they're

3279
02:12:59.440 --> 02:13:02.440
addressing something within the agenda

3280
02:13:02.639 --> 02:13:05.336
it would be

3281
02:13:05.360 --> 02:13:08.360
a bit ad hoc to have them present after

3282
02:13:08.960 --> 02:13:10.376
we've started when we would be

3283
02:13:10.400 --> 02:13:12.055
addressing that particular article.

3284
02:13:12.079 --> 02:13:13.655
All right. The only thing I was just on

3285
02:13:13.679 --> 02:13:15.256
thinking now that we're just going

3286
02:13:15.280 --> 02:13:17.976
through this, I also remember from just

3287
02:13:18.000 --> 02:13:20.135
our ministry staff's point of view, you

3288
02:13:20.159 --> 02:13:21.896
know, we don't want to get too close to

3289
02:13:21.920 --> 02:13:24.215
the start of the meeting. Um, I suppose

3290
02:13:24.239 --> 02:13:25.896
it's all been recorded anyways and it's

3291
02:13:25.920 --> 02:13:27.256
all

3292
02:13:27.280 --> 02:13:29.655
but I was just thinking um well

3293
02:13:29.679 --> 02:13:31.416
certainly we wouldn't be changing the

3294
02:13:31.440 --> 02:13:32.695
furniture and all that sort of thing if

3295
02:13:32.719 --> 02:13:34.856
it was 9:30 cuz you you

3296
02:13:34.880 --> 02:13:37.256
possibly run out of time. So, so we

3297
02:13:37.280 --> 02:13:39.655
happy with going with maybe 9:30 public

3298
02:13:39.679 --> 02:13:41.816
forum 10:00

3299
02:13:41.840 --> 02:13:43.256
and let's see what the community says

3300
02:13:43.280 --> 02:13:43.976
about that.

3301
02:13:44.000 --> 02:13:46.215
Yeah, that's right. Um, okay.

3302
02:13:46.239 --> 02:13:48.296
And finish time would be

3303
02:13:48.320 --> 02:13:49.896
Well, that's another issue is that at

3304
02:13:49.920 --> 02:13:52.296
the moment we have voluntarily

3305
02:13:52.320 --> 02:13:55.320
said that after 3 hours um you have to

3306
02:13:55.920 --> 02:13:57.976
extend it. That is not mandatory. So

3307
02:13:58.000 --> 02:14:00.615
what we can do is remove that and would

3308
02:14:00.639 --> 02:14:02.776
simply mean that the the meetings would

3309
02:14:02.800 --> 02:14:05.800
continue unless somebody objected to uh

3310
02:14:06.800 --> 02:14:09.095
said that it was getting uh going over

3311
02:14:09.119 --> 02:14:11.175
the top and and we deferred and came

3312
02:14:11.199 --> 02:14:12.776
back. To me that's actually a pretty

3313
02:14:12.800 --> 02:14:14.695
sensible way to do it. Whereas obviously

3314
02:14:14.719 --> 02:14:16.695
if you get to 3 hours and you've only

3315
02:14:16.719 --> 02:14:18.615
got one madam left, you would just

3316
02:14:18.639 --> 02:14:21.639
soldier on and get it done. So I I'd be

3317
02:14:21.840 --> 02:14:24.376
in favor if if the room is is happy with

3318
02:14:24.400 --> 02:14:26.776
that to do away with the 3-hour thing.

3319
02:14:26.800 --> 02:14:29.655
So just to clarify there, so that's

3320
02:14:29.679 --> 02:14:32.135
clause 18 and it's entire but we would

3321
02:14:32.159 --> 02:14:34.776
not you know it's a non true cause so

3322
02:14:34.800 --> 02:14:35.655
it's up to us.

3323
02:14:35.679 --> 02:14:35.976
Yeah.

3324
02:14:36.000 --> 02:14:37.416
Would you like to put on exhibition

3325
02:14:37.440 --> 02:14:39.016
without

3326
02:14:39.040 --> 02:14:40.536
Yes. So I think I'd be suggesting I

3327
02:14:40.560 --> 02:14:42.296
think that's caused us some problems in

3328
02:14:42.320 --> 02:14:44.615
the past and and I just think we're

3329
02:14:44.639 --> 02:14:46.296
better off dealing with it on an ad hoc

3330
02:14:46.320 --> 02:14:48.936
basis based on how we feel and where we

3331
02:14:48.960 --> 02:14:51.496
are in the agenda. If we if after 3

3332
02:14:51.520 --> 02:14:54.520
hours we've got masses of uh stuff to

3333
02:14:54.639 --> 02:14:56.055
deal with, I' I'd be saying we'd

3334
02:14:56.079 --> 02:14:58.456
probably consider having another meeting

3335
02:14:58.480 --> 02:15:00.536
or abandoning it and and if not, we

3336
02:15:00.560 --> 02:15:02.695
would we have the right dec.

3337
02:15:02.719 --> 02:15:05.719
I think also too if we starting at 10,

3338
02:15:05.840 --> 02:15:07.496
particularly in the winter months where

3339
02:15:07.520 --> 02:15:09.416
people have to travel,

3340
02:15:09.440 --> 02:15:12.440
um they've got time to get home before

3341
02:15:13.040 --> 02:15:15.016
it's too dark.

3342
02:15:15.040 --> 02:15:16.695
Well, that's right. Um because when

3343
02:15:16.719 --> 02:15:18.215
we're talking the nights, that was the

3344
02:15:18.239 --> 02:15:19.896
issue.

3345
02:15:19.920 --> 02:15:21.575
Ronn, thanks for your input on that.

3346
02:15:21.599 --> 02:15:24.215
Council Harris

3347
02:15:24.239 --> 02:15:27.239
Senator Senator Harris

3348
02:15:30.800 --> 02:15:33.800
4.3

3349
02:15:44.239 --> 02:15:47.239
of sorry 4.3.

3350
02:15:48.079 --> 02:15:48.695
Yeah.

3351
02:15:48.719 --> 02:15:51.416
Um, yeah.

3352
02:15:51.440 --> 02:15:52.856
How would you like me to remove the

3353
02:15:52.880 --> 02:15:54.536
first

3354
02:15:54.560 --> 02:15:57.560
I just

3355
02:15:58.079 --> 02:15:59.976
um

3356
02:16:00.000 --> 02:16:03.000
4.3

3357
02:16:05.840 --> 02:16:08.840
the following.

3358
02:16:12.719 --> 02:16:13.575
Um,

3359
02:16:13.599 --> 02:16:16.599
so I'm just trying to understand

3360
02:16:17.199 --> 02:16:19.416
that up

3361
02:16:19.440 --> 02:16:22.215
the provisions of his current stream

3362
02:16:22.239 --> 02:16:25.095
also apply to public forums. Oh, okay.

3363
02:16:25.119 --> 02:16:26.296
And we'll be

3364
02:16:26.320 --> 02:16:28.055
he's justing that.

3365
02:16:28.079 --> 02:16:31.079
It is an awkward sentence, isn't it?

3366
02:16:31.280 --> 02:16:34.280
But to to eliminate the other points

3367
02:16:34.479 --> 02:16:37.479
below that is referring to the time

3368
02:16:37.599 --> 02:16:40.599
limits that one can speak. I know the I

3369
02:16:40.800 --> 02:16:43.016
had some amendments to those points and

3370
02:16:43.040 --> 02:16:44.695
I just didn't.

3371
02:16:44.719 --> 02:16:46.295
So yeah, we're only talking about that

3372
02:16:46.319 --> 02:16:49.319
particular clause. Is that right?

3373
02:16:52.479 --> 02:16:54.856
So you've really just expanded on that.

3374
02:16:54.880 --> 02:16:55.016
It

3375
02:16:55.040 --> 02:16:58.040
is requiring the live stream.

3376
02:16:58.240 --> 02:17:00.216
Yeah. and through the M through the M

3377
02:17:00.240 --> 02:17:03.240
mayor. Um quite clearly the expectation

3378
02:17:03.519 --> 02:17:06.295
is for the council meetings that are

3379
02:17:06.319 --> 02:17:07.896
audio

3380
02:17:07.920 --> 02:17:10.920
and a live stream and public forums that

3381
02:17:11.679 --> 02:17:13.176
they be kept for the term of the

3382
02:17:13.200 --> 02:17:16.200
council. So it was on the first um

3383
02:17:17.040 --> 02:17:19.096
meeting you know in the first month

3384
02:17:19.120 --> 02:17:20.776
after the election they would continue

3385
02:17:20.800 --> 02:17:23.800
on for 4 years or up to the 12 months.

3386
02:17:23.920 --> 02:17:25.415
So there's absolutely nothing wrong with

3387
02:17:25.439 --> 02:17:26.936
that. That's really Yeah.

3388
02:17:26.960 --> 02:17:29.335
Okay. Thanks. Thanks for elaborating on

3389
02:17:29.359 --> 02:17:31.575
that.

3390
02:17:31.599 --> 02:17:33.896
4.3. What does it say in the model code?

3391
02:17:33.920 --> 02:17:35.256
Well, at the moment it's extremely

3392
02:17:35.280 --> 02:17:37.016
brief. It just says the provision of the

3393
02:17:37.040 --> 02:17:38.615
code requiring the live streaming

3394
02:17:38.639 --> 02:17:40.216
meetings also applies to public forums

3395
02:17:40.240 --> 02:17:43.096
and will be a live webcast on council's

3396
02:17:43.120 --> 02:17:45.335
website. So, this is saying again this

3397
02:17:45.359 --> 02:17:47.816
the same. It's just expanding on how

3398
02:17:47.840 --> 02:17:49.976
long it's retained

3399
02:17:50.000 --> 02:17:52.295
more. I think we could finish with a

3400
02:17:52.319 --> 02:17:54.856
full stop after public forums because

3401
02:17:54.880 --> 02:17:57.880
that live broadcast is explained in um

3402
02:17:58.880 --> 02:18:00.375
other places. The provisions of this

3403
02:18:00.399 --> 02:18:02.136
code requiring live streaming of

3404
02:18:02.160 --> 02:18:04.216
meetings also apply to public forums.

3405
02:18:04.240 --> 02:18:07.240
That's the version that's in the um

3406
02:18:07.599 --> 02:18:09.736
model code. It just cuts it out public

3407
02:18:09.760 --> 02:18:10.455
forum.

3408
02:18:10.479 --> 02:18:13.479
Yeah. So I don't think we need to to

3409
02:18:13.599 --> 02:18:16.295
have that second part of that sentence.

3410
02:18:16.319 --> 02:18:19.319
Yeah. Fair enough.

3411
02:18:23.920 --> 02:18:26.695
Okay. Well,

3412
02:18:26.719 --> 02:18:28.615
the second part of that sentence,

3413
02:18:28.639 --> 02:18:30.216
what what did you want taken out with

3414
02:18:30.240 --> 02:18:30.936
live streaming

3415
02:18:30.960 --> 02:18:33.575
and will be live stream and will

3416
02:18:33.599 --> 02:18:35.176
and will be live webcast on

3417
02:18:35.200 --> 02:18:36.295
live web

3418
02:18:36.319 --> 02:18:38.695
because it's that's already said

3419
02:18:38.719 --> 02:18:40.295
elsewhere. So, the provisions of this

3420
02:18:40.319 --> 02:18:42.056
code requiring a live streaming of

3421
02:18:42.080 --> 02:18:45.080
meetings also apply to public forums.

3422
02:18:50.479 --> 02:18:51.736
Okay, I've got that. Thank you.

3423
02:18:51.760 --> 02:18:52.455
Y

3424
02:18:52.479 --> 02:18:53.976
Okay,

3425
02:18:54.000 --> 02:18:56.056
we're happy with that.

3426
02:18:56.080 --> 02:18:57.816
Yep.

3427
02:18:57.840 --> 02:19:00.535
All right. Is there any other uh issues

3428
02:19:00.559 --> 02:19:02.615
to be the code?

3429
02:19:02.639 --> 02:19:05.639
I've got one miss

3430
02:19:06.479 --> 02:19:09.479
out on 15.

3431
02:19:09.679 --> 02:19:12.295
Yeah. fresh

3432
02:19:12.319 --> 02:19:14.936
nonary clauses but we adv them if you

3433
02:19:14.960 --> 02:19:17.960
need to replace one two there's 15.15

3434
02:19:20.080 --> 02:19:21.976
the mayor of meetings of the council and

3435
02:19:22.000 --> 02:19:23.495
committees of council are authorized

3436
02:19:23.519 --> 02:19:25.816
under this code to expel any person

3437
02:19:25.840 --> 02:19:27.736
including any council council or

3438
02:19:27.760 --> 02:19:29.256
committee meeting for the purpose of the

3439
02:19:29.280 --> 02:19:32.280
section 102B. So you may choose that or

3440
02:19:33.519 --> 02:19:35.256
the alternative the mayor and medium

3441
02:19:35.280 --> 02:19:37.016
council and committees of the council

3442
02:19:37.040 --> 02:19:38.856
are authorized under this code to expel

3443
02:19:38.880 --> 02:19:41.736
any person other than a counselor from a

3444
02:19:41.760 --> 02:19:43.096
council committee meeting for purpose of

3445
02:19:43.120 --> 02:19:45.415
THB. Councils may only be expelled by

3446
02:19:45.439 --> 02:19:47.415
the resolution of the council or the

3447
02:19:47.439 --> 02:19:49.016
committee of the council. So that's the

3448
02:19:49.040 --> 02:19:51.176
last component.

3449
02:19:51.200 --> 02:19:53.976
So part is is ultimately you

3450
02:19:54.000 --> 02:19:56.375
so yeah basically I mean I don't know if

3451
02:19:56.399 --> 02:19:57.816
anyone feels strongly I mean the first

3452
02:19:57.840 --> 02:19:59.415
one is basically saying that anyone can

3453
02:19:59.439 --> 02:20:01.576
be expelled if they were to be gross

3454
02:20:01.600 --> 02:20:03.256
gross misconduct if you're happy for the

3455
02:20:03.280 --> 02:20:06.280
mayor to have discretion um otherwise it

3456
02:20:06.399 --> 02:20:09.399
require a democratic um resolution to

3457
02:20:10.800 --> 02:20:12.136
remove council. I don't feel

3458
02:20:12.160 --> 02:20:14.216
particularly strong either way, but

3459
02:20:14.240 --> 02:20:16.056
I think in your opening statement, do

3460
02:20:16.080 --> 02:20:17.415
you not say that

3461
02:20:17.439 --> 02:20:20.439
Well, we do. We We warn people.

3462
02:20:20.560 --> 02:20:22.536
So, I think it falls on the shoulders of

3463
02:20:22.560 --> 02:20:22.776
the

3464
02:20:22.800 --> 02:20:24.536
I mean, I'm happy with the harsher one,

3465
02:20:24.560 --> 02:20:25.976
the first one. Obviously, I don't expect

3466
02:20:26.000 --> 02:20:27.656
you'll ever have to use it,

3467
02:20:27.680 --> 02:20:28.295
but um

3468
02:20:28.319 --> 02:20:31.176
I hope you never have to.

3469
02:20:31.200 --> 02:20:33.256
I'm happy with I'm happy with that. The

3470
02:20:33.280 --> 02:20:35.816
first one

3471
02:20:35.840 --> 02:20:37.736
just the simple one. Yeah.

3472
02:20:37.760 --> 02:20:38.776
One in

3473
02:20:38.800 --> 02:20:41.256
cuz the chair's got to control the He's

3474
02:20:41.280 --> 02:20:42.536
got to have power.

3475
02:20:42.560 --> 02:20:44.136
Well, and I just like the simplicity of

3476
02:20:44.160 --> 02:20:46.696
it. Yeah, just matter of fact. Is there

3477
02:20:46.720 --> 02:20:48.856
any other things directed that we

3478
02:20:48.880 --> 02:20:50.856
I don't think so. Thank you for that.

3479
02:20:50.880 --> 02:20:52.856
All right. Well, look, we'll just have a

3480
02:20:52.880 --> 02:20:54.856
the motion then just have go back to the

3481
02:20:54.880 --> 02:20:56.455
motion

3482
02:20:56.479 --> 02:20:56.936
to

3483
02:20:56.960 --> 02:20:58.536
uh indeed. So, we'll first of all move

3484
02:20:58.560 --> 02:21:00.696
out of committee the whole I'll move

3485
02:21:00.720 --> 02:21:02.295
that motion seconded by councelor

3486
02:21:02.319 --> 02:21:04.856
Pierce. All those in favor? I

3487
02:21:04.880 --> 02:21:06.216
All right. So, we return to normal

3488
02:21:06.240 --> 02:21:09.240
business. Um,

3489
02:21:21.359 --> 02:21:24.359
all right. So, the the motion there.

3490
02:21:27.040 --> 02:21:29.656
I mean, do we need to add

3491
02:21:29.680 --> 02:21:31.016
as a matter of fact? No. We've already

3492
02:21:31.040 --> 02:21:33.335
got the agreed amendments.

3493
02:21:33.359 --> 02:21:35.335
Sorry,

3494
02:21:35.359 --> 02:21:37.256
Council.

3495
02:21:37.280 --> 02:21:40.280
cold. Can you turn it down, please?

3496
02:21:44.399 --> 02:21:46.216
Uh, all right. So, just to just to be

3497
02:21:46.240 --> 02:21:47.656
clear, we've got a general resolution

3498
02:21:47.680 --> 02:21:49.736
there, but all of the uh changes that

3499
02:21:49.760 --> 02:21:51.016
we've discussed will be worked through

3500
02:21:51.040 --> 02:21:53.415
by the director of finance,

3501
02:21:53.439 --> 02:21:55.576
incorporated. And again, just repeating

3502
02:21:55.600 --> 02:21:57.016
that this is obviously going on

3503
02:21:57.040 --> 02:21:59.256
exhibition and and can be subject to

3504
02:21:59.280 --> 02:22:01.415
further change.

3505
02:22:01.439 --> 02:22:04.439
Extend remove two, please. Yeah.

3506
02:22:06.080 --> 02:22:07.096
Yeah.

3507
02:22:07.120 --> 02:22:09.496
Right. So, it's as per the original

3508
02:22:09.520 --> 02:22:12.520
recommendation. Uh all those in favor?

3509
02:22:12.960 --> 02:22:15.176
Thank you.

3510
02:22:15.200 --> 02:22:18.200
Um move on to item 13.2 the presentation

3511
02:22:19.280 --> 02:22:22.280
of annual report.

3512
02:22:23.760 --> 02:22:26.760
So, this was in the inexurious section.

3513
02:22:26.800 --> 02:22:29.176
Um could I have a a mover on the

3514
02:22:29.200 --> 02:22:31.016
resolution? Moved by councelor Pierce,

3515
02:22:31.040 --> 02:22:33.976
seconded by councelor Flanigan.

3516
02:22:34.000 --> 02:22:35.736
Um, I'll hand over to the director of

3517
02:22:35.760 --> 02:22:38.760
finance. Oh, sorry. Yes.

3518
02:22:47.120 --> 02:22:50.120
208.

3519
02:22:50.479 --> 02:22:53.176
On page 208, um, annual report.

3520
02:22:53.200 --> 02:22:56.200
Thank you. through the CEO for a campus

3521
02:22:56.880 --> 02:22:59.880
comprehensive document and a number of

3522
02:23:00.160 --> 02:23:02.536
statutory causes that council has to

3523
02:23:02.560 --> 02:23:05.256
address in relation to reporting uh

3524
02:23:05.280 --> 02:23:07.896
statistics and the like to local

3525
02:23:07.920 --> 02:23:10.295
government have that publicly available.

3526
02:23:10.319 --> 02:23:13.319
So I say we met all those requirements.

3527
02:23:13.520 --> 02:23:15.896
So I commend the staff for the input

3528
02:23:15.920 --> 02:23:18.920
into um providing the statistics and

3529
02:23:19.200 --> 02:23:22.200
updates and KPI um reporting as well

3530
02:23:22.960 --> 02:23:24.856
within that document and uh happy to

3531
02:23:24.880 --> 02:23:26.375
take any questions.

3532
02:23:26.399 --> 02:23:28.696
Very good. Thank you. Um any questions

3533
02:23:28.720 --> 02:23:30.936
on the report? I've had a brief look at

3534
02:23:30.960 --> 02:23:33.960
it. It's it's well prepared and I think

3535
02:23:35.120 --> 02:23:37.096
very good. All right. Well, if there's

3536
02:23:37.120 --> 02:23:40.120
no questions, uh, we might move that

3537
02:23:40.319 --> 02:23:42.936
motion. All those in favor.

3538
02:23:42.960 --> 02:23:45.656
Okay. Carried unanimously.

3539
02:23:45.680 --> 02:23:47.176
We'll move on to the adoption of

3540
02:23:47.200 --> 02:23:50.200
financial statements on 13.3

3541
02:23:50.479 --> 02:23:52.455
page 10.

3542
02:23:52.479 --> 02:23:55.479
Um, there's a recommendation there, a

3543
02:23:56.080 --> 02:23:59.080
three-part resolution for the referral.

3544
02:23:59.600 --> 02:24:01.896
I beg you pardon, sorry, item before

3545
02:24:01.920 --> 02:24:04.455
two-part resolution. Um, could I move

3546
02:24:04.479 --> 02:24:06.375
after that motion?

3547
02:24:06.399 --> 02:24:08.136
by

3548
02:24:08.160 --> 02:24:11.160
a whole second.

3549
02:24:16.960 --> 02:24:19.576
say three part sorry that was council

3550
02:24:19.600 --> 02:24:21.576
seconded by

3551
02:24:21.600 --> 02:24:23.976
hand over a very quick

3552
02:24:24.000 --> 02:24:25.816
thank you

3553
02:24:25.840 --> 02:24:27.576
actually in attendance in the gallery

3554
02:24:27.600 --> 02:24:30.600
there council CFO

3555
02:24:30.880 --> 02:24:33.656
who's been with us for about four 4

3556
02:24:33.680 --> 02:24:36.680
months now welcome a great addition to

3557
02:24:37.040 --> 02:24:39.415
our team in relation to preparation of

3558
02:24:39.439 --> 02:24:41.816
the financial statements and internal

3559
02:24:41.840 --> 02:24:44.840
controls and accounting decision papers

3560
02:24:47.200 --> 02:24:49.976
So first of all um

3561
02:24:50.000 --> 02:24:51.576
the financial statements been prepared

3562
02:24:51.600 --> 02:24:53.415
in compliance with local government act

3563
02:24:53.439 --> 02:24:55.176
and regulations and Australian

3564
02:24:55.200 --> 02:24:57.096
accounting standards

3565
02:24:57.120 --> 02:24:58.936
uh in also in accordance with the code

3566
02:24:58.960 --> 02:25:00.856
of accounting uh practice and financial

3567
02:25:00.880 --> 02:25:03.736
reporting. They were also reported uh

3568
02:25:03.760 --> 02:25:06.760
for view and endorsement by the audit

3569
02:25:07.200 --> 02:25:09.176
risk and improvement committee and there

3570
02:25:09.200 --> 02:25:11.896
was a number of notations and and uh

3571
02:25:11.920 --> 02:25:14.455
comments that um pretty much endorsed

3572
02:25:14.479 --> 02:25:16.536
the financial statements in their

3573
02:25:16.560 --> 02:25:18.216
entirety

3574
02:25:18.240 --> 02:25:19.656
uh in accordance with local government

3575
02:25:19.680 --> 02:25:22.056
act council's required to resolve and

3576
02:25:22.080 --> 02:25:23.896
that's the resolution needed that the

3577
02:25:23.920 --> 02:25:25.736
financial statements be referred for

3578
02:25:25.760 --> 02:25:28.136
independent audit by the audit office

3579
02:25:28.160 --> 02:25:30.375
and that'll um certifications be signed

3580
02:25:30.399 --> 02:25:32.616
by the mayor deputy the mayor, CEO and

3581
02:25:32.640 --> 02:25:35.640
CEO. Today, the independent audits

3582
02:25:36.000 --> 02:25:37.736
report on the general purpose and

3583
02:25:37.760 --> 02:25:39.976
special purpose financial reports from

3584
02:25:40.000 --> 02:25:42.696
the audit office will be publicly

3585
02:25:42.720 --> 02:25:44.856
presented to the next council meeting on

3586
02:25:44.880 --> 02:25:47.880
the 20th of November and I expect that

3587
02:25:48.880 --> 02:25:51.816
uh audit office

3588
02:25:51.840 --> 02:25:54.776
representatives will address the council

3589
02:25:54.800 --> 02:25:57.096
at that meeting. Your office has

3590
02:25:57.120 --> 02:25:59.496
affirmed uh there's no outstanding

3591
02:25:59.520 --> 02:26:02.520
issues in relation uh to our audit.

3592
02:26:03.200 --> 02:26:04.536
We've been working through some

3593
02:26:04.560 --> 02:26:07.560
finalization of work papers. We've also

3594
02:26:07.600 --> 02:26:10.600
affirmed that uh been unqu unqualified

3595
02:26:10.640 --> 02:26:13.640
for opinion which is fantastic. We've

3596
02:26:13.920 --> 02:26:15.496
had years where there was a

3597
02:26:15.520 --> 02:26:18.520
qualification for non-recognition of uh

3598
02:26:19.040 --> 02:26:22.040
firefighting RFS equipment. that will

3599
02:26:22.399 --> 02:26:25.176
continue to be issued as an uncorrected

3600
02:26:25.200 --> 02:26:27.896
judgmental misstatement as part of their

3601
02:26:27.920 --> 02:26:30.920
audit engagement closing report and

3602
02:26:31.439 --> 02:26:33.415
hopefully some finality if that matter

3603
02:26:33.439 --> 02:26:36.295
will be um decided in in parliament.

3604
02:26:36.319 --> 02:26:38.136
There's there's obviously been um the

3605
02:26:38.160 --> 02:26:41.160
report u suggested the hand over and

3606
02:26:41.200 --> 02:26:43.736
ownership of of those assets be the RFS

3607
02:26:43.760 --> 02:26:46.455
and not been tested with council.

3608
02:26:46.479 --> 02:26:48.136
Yes.

3609
02:26:48.160 --> 02:26:51.160
Yes. So as seen within the income

3610
02:26:51.520 --> 02:26:54.216
statement, I refer you to page four of

3611
02:26:54.240 --> 02:26:57.240
the financial statements um

3612
02:26:58.160 --> 02:27:00.536
document, council has recorded a net

3613
02:27:00.560 --> 02:27:03.016
operating result deficit before capital

3614
02:27:03.040 --> 02:27:06.040
grants and contributions of 9.372

3615
02:27:06.479 --> 02:27:09.176
million. The original uh budget forecast

3616
02:27:09.200 --> 02:27:11.016
was 4.362

3617
02:27:11.040 --> 02:27:14.040
million deficit. So this uh result is

3618
02:27:15.520 --> 02:27:17.736
not ideal but was heavily impacted by

3619
02:27:17.760 --> 02:27:20.760
non-cash items. There was 1.048 million

3620
02:27:22.000 --> 02:27:24.696
net loss from the disposal and

3621
02:27:24.720 --> 02:27:27.176
replacement of assets and that directly

3622
02:27:27.200 --> 02:27:29.656
related to obviously the replacement of

3623
02:27:29.680 --> 02:27:32.680
assets. bridge and um where coal was

3624
02:27:32.960 --> 02:27:35.960
replaced and also the top layer of um

3625
02:27:36.319 --> 02:27:38.375
when you do gravel sheeting and heavy

3626
02:27:38.399 --> 02:27:40.056
patching and the like you're obviously

3627
02:27:40.080 --> 02:27:41.335
got a new asset you're bringing into

3628
02:27:41.359 --> 02:27:43.335
account and you're replacing components

3629
02:27:43.359 --> 02:27:46.359
of the old asset. There was also a net

3630
02:27:48.160 --> 02:27:51.160
uh loss sorry disposal on contract

3631
02:27:51.359 --> 02:27:54.056
assets of around 2 million. There was

3632
02:27:54.080 --> 02:27:56.455
significant cash item shortfall which

3633
02:27:56.479 --> 02:27:58.375
I'd identified previously from the

3634
02:27:58.399 --> 02:28:00.696
financial assistance grants payment

3635
02:28:00.720 --> 02:28:03.720
where the grants commission only paid 85

3636
02:28:04.960 --> 02:28:07.736
was to pay 85 the previous year. That's

3637
02:28:07.760 --> 02:28:10.216
our councelor budgeted. They only paid

3638
02:28:10.240 --> 02:28:13.240
50. So that equated to 2.13 million

3639
02:28:13.680 --> 02:28:16.616
automatically adverse uh operational

3640
02:28:16.640 --> 02:28:19.496
result income that was not received that

3641
02:28:19.520 --> 02:28:22.520
was budgeted. So note five B5-1

3642
02:28:24.160 --> 02:28:27.160
on page 29 details um in significant uh

3643
02:28:28.720 --> 02:28:30.455
content around the material budget

3644
02:28:30.479 --> 02:28:33.479
variations of above the 10% threshold

3645
02:28:33.840 --> 02:28:35.176
and encourage you to have a look at

3646
02:28:35.200 --> 02:28:36.856
that.

3647
02:28:36.880 --> 02:28:39.656
The 1.34 million loss from the disposal

3648
02:28:39.680 --> 02:28:42.056
of infrastructure and property assets uh

3649
02:28:42.080 --> 02:28:44.295
like I talked about was not in in the

3650
02:28:44.319 --> 02:28:46.776
original budget and uh there was net

3651
02:28:46.800 --> 02:28:49.576
from some profits on sale to the 1.048

3652
02:28:49.600 --> 02:28:52.600
048 I alluded to earlier. In the income

3653
02:28:52.640 --> 02:28:54.696
statement, the materials and services

3654
02:28:54.720 --> 02:28:57.016
operating expenses exceeded budget by

3655
02:28:57.040 --> 02:29:00.040
around 8.3 million. This is explained by

3656
02:29:00.319 --> 02:29:03.319
there's 2.04 million um program of roof

3657
02:29:05.280 --> 02:29:07.096
road expense

3658
02:29:07.120 --> 02:29:09.896
um that that was paid in a prior year

3659
02:29:09.920 --> 02:29:12.920
period where there was work done in the

3660
02:29:13.600 --> 02:29:16.600
24 25 period. So that will continue

3661
02:29:16.880 --> 02:29:19.096
again this year. So that was paid in 23

3662
02:29:19.120 --> 02:29:22.120
24 in around 4.8 million. We're drawing

3663
02:29:22.560 --> 02:29:24.856
down and spending that those funds as

3664
02:29:24.880 --> 02:29:26.936
they're restricted but it obviously

3665
02:29:26.960 --> 02:29:28.776
affects your operational result. So

3666
02:29:28.800 --> 02:29:30.216
there's no income coming in in that

3667
02:29:30.240 --> 02:29:32.216
reporting period. The only expense going

3668
02:29:32.240 --> 02:29:35.240
out and in addition to that there was

3669
02:29:35.600 --> 02:29:38.600
also um additional expense obviously was

3670
02:29:39.439 --> 02:29:41.896
cash back for the state road and there

3671
02:29:41.920 --> 02:29:44.920
was natural disaster works of 3.57

3672
02:29:45.280 --> 02:29:46.776
million

3673
02:29:46.800 --> 02:29:49.736
and gravel pits as well exceeded budget

3674
02:29:49.760 --> 02:29:52.760
by 130,000 in expense. In addition to

3675
02:29:53.760 --> 02:29:56.216
that for making part of that uh increase

3676
02:29:56.240 --> 02:29:58.536
in materials and services the raw

3677
02:29:58.560 --> 02:30:01.496
materials increase of around 308,000

3678
02:30:01.520 --> 02:30:03.976
included items such as gravel road base

3679
02:30:04.000 --> 02:30:07.000
and bman ceiling products that uh was a

3680
02:30:07.200 --> 02:30:09.415
significant adjustment.

3681
02:30:09.439 --> 02:30:11.896
So the income show statement shows

3682
02:30:11.920 --> 02:30:14.920
council um positively though in relation

3683
02:30:15.439 --> 02:30:17.656
to constrainment of employee benefits

3684
02:30:17.680 --> 02:30:20.455
expense despite a local government award

3685
02:30:20.479 --> 02:30:23.479
increase of 3.5% plus an additional

3686
02:30:23.680 --> 02:30:26.616
award component of $1,000 to be paid

3687
02:30:26.640 --> 02:30:29.640
permanent employee uh and a.5% super

3688
02:30:31.280 --> 02:30:33.816
guarantee in contribution increase. The

3689
02:30:33.840 --> 02:30:35.656
employee benefits expense was below

3690
02:30:35.680 --> 02:30:38.680
budget by 8%. So there was 1.248 million

3691
02:30:40.240 --> 02:30:43.240
favorable to result in the the year of

3692
02:30:43.520 --> 02:30:46.520
2425 and as we'd outlined in our forward

3693
02:30:46.800 --> 02:30:49.800
um operational plan for 2526 we expect

3694
02:30:50.560 --> 02:30:53.560
1.4 to 1.5 being the savings to our uh

3695
02:30:54.880 --> 02:30:57.576
operational result and improvement in

3696
02:30:57.600 --> 02:30:59.656
our deficit result moving forward

3697
02:30:59.680 --> 02:31:02.216
annually. So the significant changes

3698
02:31:02.240 --> 02:31:04.776
through the or structure restructure

3699
02:31:04.800 --> 02:31:07.496
there has had some impacts on our bottom

3700
02:31:07.520 --> 02:31:10.520
line to improve our financial position.

3701
02:31:11.200 --> 02:31:12.696
In a statement of financial position

3702
02:31:12.720 --> 02:31:15.720
council's custodian of 619

3703
02:31:16.160 --> 02:31:18.536
million in total communityowned and

3704
02:31:18.560 --> 02:31:20.696
controlled assets uh and total

3705
02:31:20.720 --> 02:31:23.720
liabilities of 2.12

3706
02:31:24.560 --> 02:31:27.560
u million in current uh liabilities.

3707
02:31:28.000 --> 02:31:29.656
But the majority of council's assets are

3708
02:31:29.680 --> 02:31:31.896
not liquid. As we all know, we're not

3709
02:31:31.920 --> 02:31:33.976
able to sell or transfer the rights of

3710
02:31:34.000 --> 02:31:35.496
the current party for the majority of

3711
02:31:35.520 --> 02:31:37.496
our assets. So when we look at our

3712
02:31:37.520 --> 02:31:40.216
current assets to liabilities, we're

3713
02:31:40.240 --> 02:31:42.696
greater than 2:1. We're meeting that

3714
02:31:42.720 --> 02:31:45.096
ratio which is very very important. It

3715
02:31:45.120 --> 02:31:46.696
shows we've got working funds to

3716
02:31:46.720 --> 02:31:49.576
continue as going concern.

3717
02:31:49.600 --> 02:31:50.696
uh in the statement of financial

3718
02:31:50.720 --> 02:31:52.536
position council cash position has

3719
02:31:52.560 --> 02:31:54.936
improved and this was you know quite a

3720
02:31:54.960 --> 02:31:57.415
significant issue in the financial

3721
02:31:57.439 --> 02:31:59.736
sustainability review report back in

3722
02:31:59.760 --> 02:32:02.760
November 23 total cash and investments

3723
02:32:03.840 --> 02:32:06.056
and cash equivalents has included has

3724
02:32:06.080 --> 02:32:08.455
increased from 35 million in the prior

3725
02:32:08.479 --> 02:32:11.479
reporting period to 36.728

3726
02:32:11.680 --> 02:32:14.616
million uh that's total cash so that's

3727
02:32:14.640 --> 02:32:16.776
not generally available or discretionary

3728
02:32:16.800 --> 02:32:19.415
cash it includes restrictions for water,

3729
02:32:19.439 --> 02:32:21.976
sew, waste, develop contributions and

3730
02:32:22.000 --> 02:32:25.000
the lot. However, our unrestricted cash

3731
02:32:25.439 --> 02:32:28.439
position has improved from 2023 117,000.

3732
02:32:30.399 --> 02:32:33.399
2024 was 405,000 and we've got it up now

3733
02:32:34.399 --> 02:32:37.399
to 1.525 million in 2025.

3734
02:32:38.800 --> 02:32:41.016
So some of the decisions that we've seen

3735
02:32:41.040 --> 02:32:43.256
undertaking have certainly bought some

3736
02:32:43.280 --> 02:32:46.280
fruit through and the the report of AEC

3737
02:32:48.160 --> 02:32:50.776
recommends around 2 to 3 million. So if

3738
02:32:50.800 --> 02:32:53.736
the 12 12 months of 2526 we anticipate

3739
02:32:53.760 --> 02:32:56.760
that 1.25 will reach within that target

3740
02:32:57.280 --> 02:33:00.280
range of the 2 to 3 million. And a lot

3741
02:33:00.560 --> 02:33:03.560
of that's down the business unit service

3742
02:33:03.600 --> 02:33:04.856
reviews that have been conducted

3743
02:33:04.880 --> 02:33:06.696
internally by management, the

3744
02:33:06.720 --> 02:33:09.016
organization restructure

3745
02:33:09.040 --> 02:33:11.576
uh as well as service level decisions

3746
02:33:11.600 --> 02:33:14.216
taken by council.

3747
02:33:14.240 --> 02:33:16.696
So in regards to asset sales, there was

3748
02:33:16.720 --> 02:33:19.720
proceeds from uh asset sales, but those

3749
02:33:20.160 --> 02:33:23.160
have not gone into artificially inflate

3750
02:33:23.200 --> 02:33:25.816
our unrestricted cash. They have been

3751
02:33:25.840 --> 02:33:27.656
put back to replenish our building and

3752
02:33:27.680 --> 02:33:29.816
infrastructure reserve, our gravel pit

3753
02:33:29.840 --> 02:33:31.976
reserve, and our plant replacement

3754
02:33:32.000 --> 02:33:34.295
reserves. And that's really important.

3755
02:33:34.319 --> 02:33:36.616
Back a couple of years ago, this council

3756
02:33:36.640 --> 02:33:38.536
had to draw down upon those because of

3757
02:33:38.560 --> 02:33:41.016
cash flow issues directly related to

3758
02:33:41.040 --> 02:33:43.096
natural disaster and other unforeseen

3759
02:33:43.120 --> 02:33:45.496
events and we're able now to be

3760
02:33:45.520 --> 02:33:47.976
replenishing those.

3761
02:33:48.000 --> 02:33:50.536
So in summary, council will continue to

3762
02:33:50.560 --> 02:33:52.375
deliver quality services and the

3763
02:33:52.399 --> 02:33:54.616
positive results of decisions around

3764
02:33:54.640 --> 02:33:57.176
this table and by management uh will be

3765
02:33:57.200 --> 02:33:59.736
seen in future improvements to our net

3766
02:33:59.760 --> 02:34:02.760
operational uh result and um I said

3767
02:34:04.000 --> 02:34:05.176
we're never quite sure what's ahead of

3768
02:34:05.200 --> 02:34:07.656
us. We obviously take very serious the

3769
02:34:07.680 --> 02:34:09.176
challenges and and trying to address our

3770
02:34:09.200 --> 02:34:12.200
cash situation and uh I congratulations

3771
02:34:13.040 --> 02:34:16.040
obviously to my team and led by Sean and

3772
02:34:16.800 --> 02:34:19.415
my account Maryanne and uh the

3773
02:34:19.439 --> 02:34:21.096
assistance there to get the financial

3774
02:34:21.120 --> 02:34:22.776
statements completed in a timely manner

3775
02:34:22.800 --> 02:34:25.335
with an unqualified or reward.

3776
02:34:25.359 --> 02:34:28.359
Thank you very much directors.

3777
02:34:29.600 --> 02:34:32.600
Um well done. Um just one quick

3778
02:34:32.720 --> 02:34:35.176
question. When you talk about asset

3779
02:34:35.200 --> 02:34:38.200
sales, would that include

3780
02:34:38.240 --> 02:34:41.240
um for example post office at Terala or

3781
02:34:42.319 --> 02:34:45.319
buildings or uh is there the sale of

3782
02:34:46.160 --> 02:34:48.936
equipment? What sort of assets are we

3783
02:34:48.960 --> 02:34:49.576
looking at?

3784
02:34:49.600 --> 02:34:51.016
Good question. Through the CEO, there's

3785
02:34:51.040 --> 02:34:53.415
been a combination actually. So there's

3786
02:34:53.439 --> 02:34:54.616
been the bank house.

3787
02:34:54.640 --> 02:34:57.335
Yes. where the the net proceeds from the

3788
02:34:57.359 --> 02:34:59.976
sale has been fully uh replenished into

3789
02:35:00.000 --> 02:35:02.216
the building and infrastructure renewals

3790
02:35:02.240 --> 02:35:05.240
reserve. The TRA post office sale is

3791
02:35:05.600 --> 02:35:08.056
pending. It's very close. So, we've got

3792
02:35:08.080 --> 02:35:10.375
a contract in place. That's not part of

3793
02:35:10.399 --> 02:35:13.016
uh the figures here. There was uh plant

3794
02:35:13.040 --> 02:35:15.656
sales when a number of positions uh were

3795
02:35:15.680 --> 02:35:17.896
redundant in in then obviously there was

3796
02:35:17.920 --> 02:35:19.736
equipment that was related to those some

3797
02:35:19.760 --> 02:35:22.056
small fleet items and the like. So we

3798
02:35:22.080 --> 02:35:23.656
were able to put that in the plant

3799
02:35:23.680 --> 02:35:25.816
replacement reserve. We drawn down our

3800
02:35:25.840 --> 02:35:27.736
gravel pit restoration reserve in the

3801
02:35:27.760 --> 02:35:29.415
past and we've been able to replenish

3802
02:35:29.439 --> 02:35:31.415
that. So they're the type of items and

3803
02:35:31.439 --> 02:35:33.896
there's other miscellaneous items as

3804
02:35:33.920 --> 02:35:36.056
well. Um where scrap metal and the like

3805
02:35:36.080 --> 02:35:38.696
we've been able to also put that into a

3806
02:35:38.720 --> 02:35:40.536
reserve for the restricted for the

3807
02:35:40.560 --> 02:35:43.256
purposes of waste management. So they're

3808
02:35:43.280 --> 02:35:44.696
the type of assets.

3809
02:35:44.720 --> 02:35:45.496
Fantastic.

3810
02:35:45.520 --> 02:35:47.176
Very good. Thanks Mr. Director. Look I

3811
02:35:47.200 --> 02:35:48.616
just would like to just make a couple of

3812
02:35:48.640 --> 02:35:51.335
comments. Firstly, um reiterate the

3813
02:35:51.359 --> 02:35:53.976
director's comments and we really thank

3814
02:35:54.000 --> 02:35:56.536
uh Sean and the the team in finance for

3815
02:35:56.560 --> 02:35:57.976
the work they've done to to get the

3816
02:35:58.000 --> 02:36:00.216
statements. But al also just like to

3817
02:36:00.240 --> 02:36:03.240
repeat uh compliments to our management

3818
02:36:03.280 --> 02:36:06.136
team for um the improved operating

3819
02:36:06.160 --> 02:36:08.536
performance um in terms of cost control

3820
02:36:08.560 --> 02:36:10.616
and as a result of the service review

3821
02:36:10.640 --> 02:36:12.295
where there's as the directors outlined

3822
02:36:12.319 --> 02:36:14.455
there's a couple of very positive uh

3823
02:36:14.479 --> 02:36:17.479
cost variances there. We're always um

3824
02:36:18.080 --> 02:36:21.080
always seem to have a lot of unusual

3825
02:36:21.280 --> 02:36:24.056
timing uh issues that to deal with and

3826
02:36:24.080 --> 02:36:26.216
the the phone assistance grants is one

3827
02:36:26.240 --> 02:36:29.176
that has um you know sometimes it puts

3828
02:36:29.200 --> 02:36:31.816
abnormal profits in, sometimes it but I

3829
02:36:31.840 --> 02:36:33.096
mean the good thing about it is that

3830
02:36:33.120 --> 02:36:35.576
it's it's a um it's a it is a timing

3831
02:36:35.600 --> 02:36:38.136
issue. It's only in between years. Um,

3832
02:36:38.160 --> 02:36:39.736
my only other comment I suppose I'd like

3833
02:36:39.760 --> 02:36:41.896
to make is that to to the public in

3834
02:36:41.920 --> 02:36:43.736
particular is that when we say we have a

3835
02:36:43.760 --> 02:36:46.760
$9.3 million deficit that is before

3836
02:36:48.720 --> 02:36:51.720
uh contributions and capital grants and

3837
02:36:52.080 --> 02:36:53.736
you know if you add that back it's

3838
02:36:53.760 --> 02:36:56.760
actually about a $2 million positive and

3839
02:36:56.880 --> 02:36:58.295
like one of the normal accounting

3840
02:36:58.319 --> 02:37:01.319
measures is your net tangible assets. Um

3841
02:37:01.760 --> 02:37:03.176
if you look at the balance sheet section

3842
02:37:03.200 --> 02:37:05.816
of our report um it will show you that

3843
02:37:05.840 --> 02:37:08.136
there is a small positive increase over

3844
02:37:08.160 --> 02:37:11.160
the year which um is another measure of

3845
02:37:11.520 --> 02:37:13.656
your sustainability and also the cash

3846
02:37:13.680 --> 02:37:15.096
flow statement as the director has

3847
02:37:15.120 --> 02:37:18.120
alluded also highlights

3848
02:37:18.240 --> 02:37:20.455
you know better and improved cash

3849
02:37:20.479 --> 02:37:21.976
position and cash management which I

3850
02:37:22.000 --> 02:37:25.000
think is again admirable. Um has any of

3851
02:37:25.280 --> 02:37:27.415
the uh councilors got any specific

3852
02:37:27.439 --> 02:37:29.976
questions on the results or or the

3853
02:37:30.000 --> 02:37:32.056
report?

3854
02:37:32.080 --> 02:37:35.080
No. Okay. All right. Look, um, that

3855
02:37:36.479 --> 02:37:38.056
being the case, we've got a mover in a

3856
02:37:38.080 --> 02:37:40.056
second for the resolution. Uh, I'll put

3857
02:37:40.080 --> 02:37:43.080
that motion. All those in f.

3858
02:37:43.280 --> 02:37:46.280
Um, look, we still got, um,

3859
02:37:46.479 --> 02:37:48.216
we've got one more item here in finance,

3860
02:37:48.240 --> 02:37:49.496
some other things. I was just wondering

3861
02:37:49.520 --> 02:37:51.496
if any of the meeting would like a

3862
02:37:51.520 --> 02:37:53.576
couple minute break or we happy to

3863
02:37:53.600 --> 02:37:55.656
proceed.

3864
02:37:55.680 --> 02:37:56.936
Have to carry on.

3865
02:37:56.960 --> 02:37:57.576
No.

3866
02:37:57.600 --> 02:38:00.056
Okay, we'll just continue.

3867
02:38:00.080 --> 02:38:02.696
Move to item 13.4 the review of

3868
02:38:02.720 --> 02:38:05.720
corporate uniforms page 212.

3869
02:38:07.520 --> 02:38:10.520
Um this is a a fairly matter of fact to

3870
02:38:10.880 --> 02:38:12.856
adopt the policy. Could I have a mover

3871
02:38:12.880 --> 02:38:15.880
for that recommendation? Move uh

3872
02:38:16.080 --> 02:38:17.736
councelor Cameron seconded I think

3873
02:38:17.760 --> 02:38:20.760
councelor Pierce. Um

3874
02:38:21.760 --> 02:38:23.256
I think this reasonably straightforward.

3875
02:38:23.280 --> 02:38:25.896
Is there any comments on the policy

3876
02:38:25.920 --> 02:38:28.856
or anything the director wished to add?

3877
02:38:28.880 --> 02:38:30.056
That's straightforward.

3878
02:38:30.080 --> 02:38:31.576
Very. It is indeed. All right. We'll put

3879
02:38:31.600 --> 02:38:32.455
the motion. All those in

3880
02:38:32.479 --> 02:38:33.976
f

3881
02:38:34.000 --> 02:38:36.295
that's carried unanimously.

3882
02:38:36.319 --> 02:38:39.319
Um we'll now move to the chief executive

3883
02:38:39.840 --> 02:38:42.295
officer section. Um there's just one

3884
02:38:42.319 --> 02:38:43.976
item there regarding the crook swimming

3885
02:38:44.000 --> 02:38:47.000
pool and vic. Um so firstly uh could I

3886
02:38:48.319 --> 02:38:50.056
ask for a a mover to that

3887
02:38:50.080 --> 02:38:51.576
recommendation?

3888
02:38:51.600 --> 02:38:53.496
Councelor Reynolds and I believe

3889
02:38:53.520 --> 02:38:56.056
seconded by councelor Flagan.

3890
02:38:56.080 --> 02:38:59.080
Um but I'll hand over to um the CEO for

3891
02:38:59.359 --> 02:39:01.016
comments on her report.

3892
02:39:01.040 --> 02:39:02.455
So although this is in the report

3893
02:39:02.479 --> 02:39:05.479
section, it's really more of a an update

3894
02:39:05.680 --> 02:39:08.455
receiver note um and it's for councils

3895
02:39:08.479 --> 02:39:10.936
and obviously the community to see the

3896
02:39:10.960 --> 02:39:13.576
progress of the whole project. So um

3897
02:39:13.600 --> 02:39:15.176
last year the pool was opened and it

3898
02:39:15.200 --> 02:39:16.856
will be open again from the 1st of

3899
02:39:16.880 --> 02:39:19.576
November. Um but since that time there's

3900
02:39:19.600 --> 02:39:21.736
been a lot of work undertaken at the Vic

3901
02:39:21.760 --> 02:39:23.736
which is the visitor information center.

3902
02:39:23.760 --> 02:39:25.656
Uh people will know that the Coleman

3903
02:39:25.680 --> 02:39:27.896
Park fitness area has has now been

3904
02:39:27.920 --> 02:39:30.056
completed which includes bikes and some

3905
02:39:30.080 --> 02:39:31.816
fitness equipment and that was part of a

3906
02:39:31.840 --> 02:39:34.295
grant and it was a grant requirement. So

3907
02:39:34.319 --> 02:39:35.656
just in case people think we've gone

3908
02:39:35.680 --> 02:39:37.976
mad, add them another thing. Um so

3909
02:39:38.000 --> 02:39:39.976
there's been updates as well around. So

3910
02:39:40.000 --> 02:39:41.496
there's plantings and things to to

3911
02:39:41.520 --> 02:39:43.656
soften the area um which will be

3912
02:39:43.680 --> 02:39:45.496
ongoing. There's irrigation work which

3913
02:39:45.520 --> 02:39:48.056
obviously goes with the plantings. Um

3914
02:39:48.080 --> 02:39:49.896
pool blankets.

3915
02:39:49.920 --> 02:39:51.415
I've depicted photos of this with

3916
02:39:51.439 --> 02:39:53.736
photos. I find it easier. Um and then

3917
02:39:53.760 --> 02:39:55.656
there's obviously the updated works to

3918
02:39:55.680 --> 02:39:57.656
the Vick itself. So it's to give

3919
02:39:57.680 --> 02:39:59.415
everybody an opportunity to see inside

3920
02:39:59.439 --> 02:40:01.256
which most people won't have done. We

3921
02:40:01.280 --> 02:40:03.816
are nearing the completion of that. Um

3922
02:40:03.840 --> 02:40:05.816
the priority at the moment is obviously

3923
02:40:05.840 --> 02:40:08.840
to finish the internals and any defects

3924
02:40:09.200 --> 02:40:11.896
and and to open swimming pool. So

3925
02:40:11.920 --> 02:40:14.455
they're the priorities at the moment. Um

3926
02:40:14.479 --> 02:40:17.479
there is a power demand with the two of

3927
02:40:18.160 --> 02:40:20.536
them operating at once. So, um, which is

3928
02:40:20.560 --> 02:40:22.136
why I was reluctant to give some kind of

3929
02:40:22.160 --> 02:40:23.816
a time frame for the exact date that

3930
02:40:23.840 --> 02:40:25.656
we'll open. So, again, the priority is

3931
02:40:25.680 --> 02:40:28.056
the pool at the moment. Um, and until

3932
02:40:28.080 --> 02:40:30.455
the substation's in place, um, and

3933
02:40:30.479 --> 02:40:31.816
powered up and all that sort of thing,

3934
02:40:31.840 --> 02:40:32.936
and we've got the occupation

3935
02:40:32.960 --> 02:40:34.936
certificate, we will not be opening the

3936
02:40:34.960 --> 02:40:36.295
bit. So, I just wanted to make that

3937
02:40:36.319 --> 02:40:38.696
really clear. So, and it's open for

3938
02:40:38.720 --> 02:40:39.816
questions, but it's fairly

3939
02:40:39.840 --> 02:40:41.016
self-explanatory.

3940
02:40:41.040 --> 02:40:44.040
Uh, council me.

3941
02:40:44.880 --> 02:40:46.936
Um, so the pool's opening on the 1st of

3942
02:40:46.960 --> 02:40:49.335
November. Did I read somewhere that the

3943
02:40:49.359 --> 02:40:50.856
takings

3944
02:40:50.880 --> 02:40:53.880
uh for admission will be by the gate

3945
02:40:54.000 --> 02:40:56.056
because the visitor center won't be

3946
02:40:56.080 --> 02:40:57.896
opening and then how much is it to get

3947
02:40:57.920 --> 02:40:59.096
in?

3948
02:40:59.120 --> 02:41:01.816
So at this stage it will be via the side

3949
02:41:01.840 --> 02:41:03.576
gate which is the the gate that people

3950
02:41:03.600 --> 02:41:06.295
used last year for one bedroom. Um and

3951
02:41:06.319 --> 02:41:07.976
that's because the setup

3952
02:41:08.000 --> 02:41:10.056
round the other side

3953
02:41:10.080 --> 02:41:11.576
would be through and and past the

3954
02:41:11.600 --> 02:41:12.856
visitor information center. So yeah,

3955
02:41:12.880 --> 02:41:14.295
because that won't be operable at the

3956
02:41:14.319 --> 02:41:16.696
time, um we've decided to go with a

3957
02:41:16.720 --> 02:41:18.455
model similar to last year and the

3958
02:41:18.479 --> 02:41:21.479
takings will be will be taken by staff

3959
02:41:21.680 --> 02:41:22.455
on site. Yeah.

3960
02:41:22.479 --> 02:41:25.176
So so day one and will there be fles

3961
02:41:25.200 --> 02:41:27.656
facilities and what's the schedule of

3962
02:41:27.680 --> 02:41:29.816
admission phase?

3963
02:41:29.840 --> 02:41:32.840
And the hours of operation

3964
02:41:34.640 --> 02:41:37.640
it's already been resolved. So

3965
02:41:45.040 --> 02:41:46.856
I think I read somewhere was like you

3966
02:41:46.880 --> 02:41:48.696
can get a family pass for 17.

3967
02:41:48.720 --> 02:41:49.576
Well, that's right. I mean, we're

3968
02:41:49.600 --> 02:41:51.576
certainly encouraging people to get the

3969
02:41:51.600 --> 02:41:53.415
the season passes which make it a lot

3970
02:41:53.439 --> 02:41:54.936
easier, but there is a general

3971
02:41:54.960 --> 02:41:55.496
admittance.

3972
02:41:55.520 --> 02:41:58.520
So, I suppose whilst my my question is

3973
02:41:58.640 --> 02:42:00.936
because the amenities are not available

3974
02:42:00.960 --> 02:42:02.536
in terms of like the bathrooms, they're

3975
02:42:02.560 --> 02:42:04.455
still under completion. Um everything's

3976
02:42:04.479 --> 02:42:07.415
on a temporary basis. Is there any um

3977
02:42:07.439 --> 02:42:10.439
moratorum of admission fees or discounts

3978
02:42:10.880 --> 02:42:13.256
until such time as the whole complex is

3979
02:42:13.280 --> 02:42:15.415
finished? And what are the hours of

3980
02:42:15.439 --> 02:42:16.856
opening please?

3981
02:42:16.880 --> 02:42:18.375
So the fees and charges have already

3982
02:42:18.399 --> 02:42:20.455
been exhibited. So I've now had them

3983
02:42:20.479 --> 02:42:22.616
pointed out for me. So it's $9 for an

3984
02:42:22.640 --> 02:42:24.936
adult, six for a child um and a family

3985
02:42:24.960 --> 02:42:27.496
of two adults and three children um is

3986
02:42:27.520 --> 02:42:30.520
$20. And you can purchase um a season

3987
02:42:30.720 --> 02:42:32.616
pass.

3988
02:42:32.640 --> 02:42:35.256
in terms of whether or not there's uh

3989
02:42:35.280 --> 02:42:38.280
either a moratorium on funding or or and

3990
02:42:38.319 --> 02:42:39.896
paying fees or whether or not there's a

3991
02:42:39.920 --> 02:42:42.056
discount that would be for councilors to

3992
02:42:42.080 --> 02:42:43.496
resolve because at the moment the fees

3993
02:42:43.520 --> 02:42:45.256
and charges have have been resolved out

3994
02:42:45.280 --> 02:42:48.280
on exhibition um and so

3995
02:42:48.319 --> 02:42:50.136
they're the fees and charges that we're

3996
02:42:50.160 --> 02:42:51.176
bound by at the moment.

3997
02:42:51.200 --> 02:42:52.856
And how do they compare say with with

3998
02:42:52.880 --> 02:42:55.880
with gunning pork?

3999
02:42:56.800 --> 02:42:59.016
They're the same fees and charges. Yeah.

4000
02:42:59.040 --> 02:43:00.936
So it was recommended that the same fees

4001
02:43:00.960 --> 02:43:02.776
and charges were across the SH.

4002
02:43:02.800 --> 02:43:05.335
Okay. And the hours of operation or the

4003
02:43:05.359 --> 02:43:06.856
proposed hours

4004
02:43:06.880 --> 02:43:08.375
they're the same as last year which

4005
02:43:08.399 --> 02:43:09.736
so 11 till 6.

4006
02:43:09.760 --> 02:43:11.496
11 till 6 I believe. Yes.

4007
02:43:11.520 --> 02:43:12.776
Okay.

4008
02:43:12.800 --> 02:43:14.696
So is there any way that we can have a

4009
02:43:14.720 --> 02:43:17.176
discussion and at what point is it

4010
02:43:17.200 --> 02:43:18.696
appropriate to have a discussion about

4011
02:43:18.720 --> 02:43:20.776
the pool admission fees at a council

4012
02:43:20.800 --> 02:43:23.800
level? Well, we obviously did do that

4013
02:43:24.640 --> 02:43:27.640
already at the the fees and charges were

4014
02:43:27.840 --> 02:43:29.896
all adopted for the year.

4015
02:43:29.920 --> 02:43:32.455
Um, I'm just saying that if the project

4016
02:43:32.479 --> 02:43:34.536
is in fact incomplete.

4017
02:43:34.560 --> 02:43:35.656
Um,

4018
02:43:35.680 --> 02:43:37.656
yeah, I mean, when you say obviously the

4019
02:43:37.680 --> 02:43:39.576
there is toilets and things there. It's

4020
02:43:39.600 --> 02:43:42.295
just they are certainly not the ultimate

4021
02:43:42.319 --> 02:43:45.016
permanent ones, but they do exist.

4022
02:43:45.040 --> 02:43:48.040
Um but look if um I don't know we I

4023
02:43:48.640 --> 02:43:50.696
guess this is really just an update to

4024
02:43:50.720 --> 02:43:52.375
the pool in a bit. I mean, if you wanted

4025
02:43:52.399 --> 02:43:54.616
to bring a motion forward at a future

4026
02:43:54.640 --> 02:43:56.455
meeting, um, we could we could do that

4027
02:43:56.479 --> 02:43:59.479
if we felt that was necessary. Um,

4028
02:44:01.120 --> 02:44:02.216
and we did

4029
02:44:02.240 --> 02:44:05.096
I know maybe just open it up to the

4030
02:44:05.120 --> 02:44:07.176
other councilors how if they'd like to

4031
02:44:07.200 --> 02:44:10.200
make comment

4032
02:44:10.479 --> 02:44:13.479
question

4033
02:44:13.520 --> 02:44:15.096
and uh it's probably the same question

4034
02:44:15.120 --> 02:44:16.536
as last year. So I can't believe it

4035
02:44:16.560 --> 02:44:18.375
months has already gone past but anyway

4036
02:44:18.399 --> 02:44:20.375
and it relates to the amenities and the

4037
02:44:20.399 --> 02:44:23.255
facilities. Um and I was my

4038
02:44:23.279 --> 02:44:25.656
understanding is I think it's clear that

4039
02:44:25.680 --> 02:44:28.056
it's still temporary amenities. Is that

4040
02:44:28.080 --> 02:44:30.696
correct? And we're again same comment

4041
02:44:30.720 --> 02:44:33.255
again this more risk adverse here is

4042
02:44:33.279 --> 02:44:35.496
that you know are we you know are we

4043
02:44:35.520 --> 02:44:38.520
compliant uh to otherwise we probably

4044
02:44:38.960 --> 02:44:40.136
wouldn't open the pool but it's an

4045
02:44:40.160 --> 02:44:41.896
obvious question but I thought I'd ask

4046
02:44:41.920 --> 02:44:44.056
it. Is that still in line? Are we

4047
02:44:44.080 --> 02:44:46.216
compliant with the the code? Ensure that

4048
02:44:46.240 --> 02:44:49.176
we don't get ourselves into trouble with

4049
02:44:49.200 --> 02:44:50.856
something, you know, goes wrong.

4050
02:44:50.880 --> 02:44:52.536
Yes, for the pool, we are compliant, but

4051
02:44:52.560 --> 02:44:53.976
when it comes to the visitor information

4052
02:44:54.000 --> 02:44:56.455
center, at that stage, we need to have

4053
02:44:56.479 --> 02:44:58.216
the compliance certificates,

4054
02:44:58.240 --> 02:45:00.776
which is why until we finalize a

4055
02:45:00.800 --> 02:45:02.536
substation and like I say, power

4056
02:45:02.560 --> 02:45:04.136
everything up and test it and and

4057
02:45:04.160 --> 02:45:06.056
receive those certificates, we can't

4058
02:45:06.080 --> 02:45:07.016
open.

4059
02:45:07.040 --> 02:45:08.375
But that's for the visitor information

4060
02:45:08.399 --> 02:45:10.136
center. The pool itself, yes, it is

4061
02:45:10.160 --> 02:45:11.896
compliant with temporary amenities.

4062
02:45:11.920 --> 02:45:14.295
similar to building a house

4063
02:45:14.319 --> 02:45:16.056
part of those amenities are part of that

4064
02:45:16.080 --> 02:45:18.616
that

4065
02:45:18.640 --> 02:45:20.136
pulls up the kids

4066
02:45:20.160 --> 02:45:22.136
uh council else

4067
02:45:22.160 --> 02:45:24.776
uh through the mayor uh to the CEO just

4068
02:45:24.800 --> 02:45:27.800
in reference to the grant funding of $2

4069
02:45:28.560 --> 02:45:30.536
million

4070
02:45:30.560 --> 02:45:33.560
um via a funding variation um and this

4071
02:45:34.240 --> 02:45:36.696
is for the internal fit out of the

4072
02:45:36.720 --> 02:45:39.255
visitor information center. What would

4073
02:45:39.279 --> 02:45:42.216
we need? $2 million inside the visit

4074
02:45:42.240 --> 02:45:44.375
information center.

4075
02:45:44.399 --> 02:45:46.616
What would cost $2 million is the

4076
02:45:46.640 --> 02:45:48.136
question.

4077
02:45:48.160 --> 02:45:50.536
Unfortunately, the internals have cost

4078
02:45:50.560 --> 02:45:52.856
$2 million. So, it includes everything.

4079
02:45:52.880 --> 02:45:54.936
It's all the electrics. It's

4080
02:45:54.960 --> 02:45:56.856
as it was left when we said external.

4081
02:45:56.880 --> 02:45:58.616
It's literally the shell.

4082
02:45:58.640 --> 02:46:00.136
So, the internals are literally

4083
02:46:00.160 --> 02:46:02.455
everything you can imagine

4084
02:46:02.479 --> 02:46:04.375
that's not the outdoor shell, which is

4085
02:46:04.399 --> 02:46:07.176
the roof and walls. So, it's everything.

4086
02:46:07.200 --> 02:46:09.176
Okay. Does that include the commercial

4087
02:46:09.200 --> 02:46:11.255
kitchen for example?

4088
02:46:11.279 --> 02:46:13.335
You talking about having a cafe in there

4089
02:46:13.359 --> 02:46:15.176
or are you looking at a contractor to

4090
02:46:15.200 --> 02:46:18.200
supply that? So at this stage um no

4091
02:46:18.560 --> 02:46:20.295
final decisions have been made but it's

4092
02:46:20.319 --> 02:46:22.856
likely that we would go out and um or an

4093
02:46:22.880 --> 02:46:24.136
expression of interest for somebody to

4094
02:46:24.160 --> 02:46:26.136
lease the kitchen and then they would

4095
02:46:26.160 --> 02:46:28.936
fit out the internals of that. So um the

4096
02:46:28.960 --> 02:46:31.960
services so the the pipes for water and

4097
02:46:32.240 --> 02:46:33.896
um sewer and things like that they're

4098
02:46:33.920 --> 02:46:36.295
in. Um, but in terms of the actual

4099
02:46:36.319 --> 02:46:38.455
layout and what someone would need, um,

4100
02:46:38.479 --> 02:46:40.136
I didn't feel like a we have the funding

4101
02:46:40.160 --> 02:46:41.656
for that or b that we should be making

4102
02:46:41.680 --> 02:46:43.496
those decisions for somebody when we

4103
02:46:43.520 --> 02:46:45.576
don't know how big their operation would

4104
02:46:45.600 --> 02:46:47.896
be. Um, and as you can see in the photos

4105
02:46:47.920 --> 02:46:49.816
that there is a sort of serving area

4106
02:46:49.840 --> 02:46:52.056
counter. So all that's in place. It's

4107
02:46:52.080 --> 02:46:55.080
just the actual operations of um, yeah,

4108
02:46:55.520 --> 02:46:57.096
the making of food basically the

4109
02:46:57.120 --> 02:46:57.496
kitchen.

4110
02:46:57.520 --> 02:46:59.496
A lot of that thing they can can wheel

4111
02:46:59.520 --> 02:47:02.520
in. Um, okay. So, we've we've got $2

4112
02:47:03.920 --> 02:47:06.536
million for the for the fit out. How

4113
02:47:06.560 --> 02:47:08.375
long before the electricity is actually

4114
02:47:08.399 --> 02:47:10.696
going to be connected, number one, and

4115
02:47:10.720 --> 02:47:13.096
number two, why was this not picked up

4116
02:47:13.120 --> 02:47:14.696
earlier?

4117
02:47:14.720 --> 02:47:16.696
Um, so councelor, this has been an

4118
02:47:16.720 --> 02:47:18.776
ongoing matter.

4119
02:47:18.800 --> 02:47:21.255
Um, and it has been a difficult one to

4120
02:47:21.279 --> 02:47:23.176
deal with. Um, it's been very

4121
02:47:23.200 --> 02:47:25.736
complicated because we had one builder

4122
02:47:25.760 --> 02:47:27.176
do part of it and then go into

4123
02:47:27.200 --> 02:47:28.856
liquidation and then another one take

4124
02:47:28.880 --> 02:47:31.016
over. So, it's it's been difficult and

4125
02:47:31.040 --> 02:47:33.816
because of the de the delay with that um

4126
02:47:33.840 --> 02:47:35.976
it meant that the actual design and

4127
02:47:36.000 --> 02:47:37.576
reapproval

4128
02:47:37.600 --> 02:47:39.255
um of the substation had to be redone

4129
02:47:39.279 --> 02:47:40.455
again. So, it's had to go through the

4130
02:47:40.479 --> 02:47:43.479
full process through the text.

4131
02:47:43.840 --> 02:47:45.576
Well, yeah, basically if you don't do it

4132
02:47:45.600 --> 02:47:47.656
within 12 months, you have to redo and

4133
02:47:47.680 --> 02:47:49.255
unfortunately it laps. Yeah, because of

4134
02:47:49.279 --> 02:47:50.696
the change over it at builders. But

4135
02:47:50.720 --> 02:47:52.375
again, it has been a very long time and

4136
02:47:52.399 --> 02:47:55.255
it's a very good question. Um but that's

4137
02:47:55.279 --> 02:47:58.279
the reason why. So, we're hoping that um

4138
02:47:58.399 --> 02:48:01.016
by December we'll be looking at um

4139
02:48:01.040 --> 02:48:02.696
starting to power things up and testing

4140
02:48:02.720 --> 02:48:04.616
and all those sort of things. Um but

4141
02:48:04.640 --> 02:48:06.616
again, it it's based on when we get the

4142
02:48:06.640 --> 02:48:08.056
compliance certificates.

4143
02:48:08.080 --> 02:48:10.136
Okay. All right. And we're still looking

4144
02:48:10.160 --> 02:48:12.455
in addition to that, we've got 7.1

4145
02:48:12.479 --> 02:48:15.479
million minus the two. So, we're down to

4146
02:48:16.160 --> 02:48:17.415
5.1 million.

4147
02:48:17.439 --> 02:48:19.415
Yes. The gap is is around about 5

4148
02:48:19.439 --> 02:48:21.096
million. Yes. the 5.1

4149
02:48:21.120 --> 02:48:24.120
and that will do the heated pool and the

4150
02:48:24.560 --> 02:48:27.255
internal um change rooms.

4151
02:48:27.279 --> 02:48:28.936
Yes, that's correct.

4152
02:48:28.960 --> 02:48:31.896
And will that also include um solar

4153
02:48:31.920 --> 02:48:32.856
panels?

4154
02:48:32.880 --> 02:48:35.880
Um the solar panels um on the amenities

4155
02:48:36.960 --> 02:48:38.856
building for the indoor pool.

4156
02:48:38.880 --> 02:48:40.616
Yes, that's included in that, but not

4157
02:48:40.640 --> 02:48:42.295
for the Vic. We've actually already got

4158
02:48:42.319 --> 02:48:44.536
another grant for that. Um and so they

4159
02:48:44.560 --> 02:48:47.255
will be they'll be being installed um

4160
02:48:47.279 --> 02:48:48.455
very shortly. We've just got to deal

4161
02:48:48.479 --> 02:48:50.696
with the substation issue.

4162
02:48:50.720 --> 02:48:53.415
Good. Um, and with that substation

4163
02:48:53.439 --> 02:48:54.936
issue, if you're going to have a cafe,

4164
02:48:54.960 --> 02:48:57.176
obviously they they will require a lot

4165
02:48:57.200 --> 02:48:59.335
more power. And that's now being taken

4166
02:48:59.359 --> 02:49:02.136
into account that they've got sufficient

4167
02:49:02.160 --> 02:49:04.136
power and gas and all the things that

4168
02:49:04.160 --> 02:49:07.096
they'll need to be um a business that

4169
02:49:07.120 --> 02:49:10.056
can start up and and provide.

4170
02:49:10.080 --> 02:49:13.080
Yes.

4171
02:49:13.120 --> 02:49:15.096
That's right.

4172
02:49:15.120 --> 02:49:17.255
Yes. So the substation is designed for

4173
02:49:17.279 --> 02:49:18.696
the whole site to be able to do

4174
02:49:18.720 --> 02:49:20.056
everything.

4175
02:49:20.080 --> 02:49:22.856
Um good. So it would include the heated

4176
02:49:22.880 --> 02:49:24.375
pool. So the substation is already

4177
02:49:24.399 --> 02:49:26.616
designed for that. So in theory if we

4178
02:49:26.640 --> 02:49:29.255
were to get the triple P funding um

4179
02:49:29.279 --> 02:49:31.016
let's just say I don't know January or

4180
02:49:31.040 --> 02:49:32.936
something like that. In theory we should

4181
02:49:32.960 --> 02:49:35.576
have already um got to the stage where

4182
02:49:35.600 --> 02:49:37.816
our issue is addressed. So then if we

4183
02:49:37.840 --> 02:49:39.096
got the funding it would just be about

4184
02:49:39.120 --> 02:49:40.616
building

4185
02:49:40.640 --> 02:49:42.696
the thing if that makes sense and doing

4186
02:49:42.720 --> 02:49:44.936
the internals. Um, just a question too.

4187
02:49:44.960 --> 02:49:46.616
I noticed the fireplace in there. Is

4188
02:49:46.640 --> 02:49:49.640
that gas hot or is it is it electric or

4189
02:49:49.840 --> 02:49:51.255
is it just a pretend one?

4190
02:49:51.279 --> 02:49:52.136
It's a pretend.

4191
02:49:52.160 --> 02:49:53.896
Well, it's electric, but it's really a

4192
02:49:53.920 --> 02:49:55.816
pretend one. The fireplace itself is

4193
02:49:55.840 --> 02:49:57.335
actually structural.

4194
02:49:57.359 --> 02:49:58.216
Oh.

4195
02:49:58.240 --> 02:49:58.856
Mhm.

4196
02:49:58.880 --> 02:50:01.016
Okay. Cuz there was talk about it in the

4197
02:50:01.040 --> 02:50:02.856
early days that it would would be this

4198
02:50:02.880 --> 02:50:05.176
wonderful fireplace. People could come

4199
02:50:05.200 --> 02:50:06.616
in and

4200
02:50:06.640 --> 02:50:08.936
there was um however I changed it and

4201
02:50:08.960 --> 02:50:11.576
we'll managed it, but this the fireplace

4202
02:50:11.600 --> 02:50:13.816
itself was structural. So, it had to it

4203
02:50:13.840 --> 02:50:15.656
had to still be built as a fireplace.

4204
02:50:15.680 --> 02:50:15.896
Okay.

4205
02:50:15.920 --> 02:50:18.455
But but no, it's the risk is significant

4206
02:50:18.479 --> 02:50:20.455
with an open fireplace.

4207
02:50:20.479 --> 02:50:23.479
Okay.

4208
02:50:24.000 --> 02:50:25.816
Exciting.

4209
02:50:25.840 --> 02:50:27.976
Looking forward to it.

4210
02:50:28.000 --> 02:50:29.096
Questions.

4211
02:50:29.120 --> 02:50:31.096
I'd just like to Yeah, just a little.

4212
02:50:31.120 --> 02:50:33.016
Um,

4213
02:50:33.040 --> 02:50:36.040
can we have a look?

4214
02:50:36.479 --> 02:50:38.216
I'd like the opportunity for the

4215
02:50:38.240 --> 02:50:40.536
counselors to have have a visit on site.

4216
02:50:40.560 --> 02:50:43.255
Um, if you could offer that. Um I want

4217
02:50:43.279 --> 02:50:46.279
to say um yeah that electricity

4218
02:50:46.319 --> 02:50:48.056
substation that has been a problem for a

4219
02:50:48.080 --> 02:50:49.496
number of businesses. So I completely

4220
02:50:49.520 --> 02:50:51.496
understand that that's been a hassle for

4221
02:50:51.520 --> 02:50:53.496
you. But what I really want to say is

4222
02:50:53.520 --> 02:50:55.736
thank you to the staff. It has been a

4223
02:50:55.760 --> 02:50:57.335
difficult project bringing it back from

4224
02:50:57.359 --> 02:51:00.359
that distress situation and um the

4225
02:51:00.640 --> 02:51:02.936
efforts to secure funding has been um

4226
02:51:02.960 --> 02:51:05.960
incredible and u thank you for that.

4227
02:51:06.399 --> 02:51:08.936
Thanks Can. Um there any other questions

4228
02:51:08.960 --> 02:51:11.960
or put the motion? All righty. All those

4229
02:51:12.240 --> 02:51:14.136
um I'll put the motion for adoption of

4230
02:51:14.160 --> 02:51:15.496
the report. All those in favor?

4231
02:51:15.520 --> 02:51:16.295
I

4232
02:51:16.319 --> 02:51:18.056
thank you.

4233
02:51:18.080 --> 02:51:21.080
Um pass unanimously. We'll move on to um

4234
02:51:22.000 --> 02:51:23.656
sorry there's no late reports. We'll

4235
02:51:23.680 --> 02:51:24.936
move on to the reports from other

4236
02:51:24.960 --> 02:51:27.960
committees. Um page 230. Um could I have

4237
02:51:29.040 --> 02:51:30.696
a modern

4238
02:51:30.720 --> 02:51:33.656
minutes? Move. Councelor S. Seconded

4239
02:51:33.680 --> 02:51:35.176
by councelor Reynolds.

4240
02:51:35.200 --> 02:51:37.255
No

4241
02:51:37.279 --> 02:51:40.279
my colleague councelor Pierce. Um is

4242
02:51:41.439 --> 02:51:43.816
there any uh any comments on the

4243
02:51:43.840 --> 02:51:44.856
minutes? Council

4244
02:51:44.880 --> 02:51:45.976
Flinger.

4245
02:51:46.000 --> 02:51:49.000
Um at the um Afghan

4246
02:51:50.960 --> 02:51:53.960
council um to as to the date that they

4247
02:51:54.160 --> 02:51:57.160
were to set their AGM. Um have you had

4248
02:51:57.920 --> 02:51:59.816
some conversations with them regarding

4249
02:51:59.840 --> 02:52:02.840
that in the interim?

4250
02:52:03.600 --> 02:52:04.776
No.

4251
02:52:04.800 --> 02:52:06.136
Uh it sounds like there's been no

4252
02:52:06.160 --> 02:52:07.576
developments there.

4253
02:52:07.600 --> 02:52:10.295
Right. Um so I might actually just meet

4254
02:52:10.319 --> 02:52:12.856
up with you afterwards and uh we'll get

4255
02:52:12.880 --> 02:52:14.696
that happening um with the meeting

4256
02:52:14.720 --> 02:52:16.136
coming up.

4257
02:52:16.160 --> 02:52:17.496
I should have noted that councelor

4258
02:52:17.520 --> 02:52:19.976
Cameron has um put into that class of

4259
02:52:20.000 --> 02:52:23.000
interest here and and will um exclude

4260
02:52:23.120 --> 02:52:25.096
himself from the debate. Sorry,

4261
02:52:25.120 --> 02:52:27.736
participate stay in the chamber

4262
02:52:27.760 --> 02:52:29.176
and and not vote.

4263
02:52:29.200 --> 02:52:31.736
Um and then second on that on those

4264
02:52:31.760 --> 02:52:34.216
minutes there um they developed a new

4265
02:52:34.240 --> 02:52:36.616
website. Um this has been something

4266
02:52:36.640 --> 02:52:39.016
that's been an ongoing matter with the

4267
02:52:39.040 --> 02:52:40.696
committee and it's something where I had

4268
02:52:40.720 --> 02:52:42.536
raised on a number of occasions the need

4269
02:52:42.560 --> 02:52:44.936
to discuss at the staff as they would as

4270
02:52:44.960 --> 02:52:46.696
a committee of council they are subject

4271
02:52:46.720 --> 02:52:49.720
to council's policies. It is my

4272
02:52:49.760 --> 02:52:52.696
understanding that um they have not had

4273
02:52:52.720 --> 02:52:55.415
those discussions um and I would like to

4274
02:52:55.439 --> 02:52:57.576
see that work with staff to address

4275
02:52:57.600 --> 02:53:00.600
that.

4276
02:53:00.880 --> 02:53:03.880
Take take that on those. Um, is there

4277
02:53:03.920 --> 02:53:06.856
any other questions on the minutes?

4278
02:53:06.880 --> 02:53:09.415
All right, we'll um well, firstly, we'll

4279
02:53:09.439 --> 02:53:11.096
put the motion for adoption of those

4280
02:53:11.120 --> 02:53:13.496
minutes. All those in fo

4281
02:53:13.520 --> 02:53:15.656
um we got any actionable resolutions

4282
02:53:15.680 --> 02:53:18.056
here or no? No. Very good. That's all we

4283
02:53:18.080 --> 02:53:21.016
need to do. Uh thanks for that. We'll

4284
02:53:21.040 --> 02:53:24.040
move on to um the notice of emotions.

4285
02:53:24.319 --> 02:53:27.319
Now, uh item 17.1

4286
02:53:27.520 --> 02:53:29.415
uh disclosures of material practice on

4287
02:53:29.439 --> 02:53:31.736
page 264.

4288
02:53:31.760 --> 02:53:32.616
Mhm. Um,

4289
02:53:32.640 --> 02:53:35.415
do we need to fix them?

4290
02:53:35.439 --> 02:53:37.496
I guess we see how we put that thing on

4291
02:53:37.520 --> 02:53:38.936
public exhibition, but it's not approved

4292
02:53:38.960 --> 02:53:41.176
as yet. So,

4293
02:53:41.200 --> 02:53:44.200
so quite right. Um, I move a motion to

4294
02:53:45.040 --> 02:53:46.696
extend for 30 minutes. We have a second

4295
02:53:46.720 --> 02:53:48.136
for that. Second.

4296
02:53:48.160 --> 02:53:51.160
Second council. All those in favor.

4297
02:53:51.920 --> 02:53:54.920
All right, we'll carry on.

4298
02:53:56.160 --> 02:53:59.160
Uh, councelor Uluris, would you uh

4299
02:53:59.439 --> 02:54:01.335
firstly perhaps you'd like to put your

4300
02:54:01.359 --> 02:54:04.359
motion and just get a seconder for that?

4301
02:54:04.960 --> 02:54:07.016
Would you like to move your motion? So,

4302
02:54:07.040 --> 02:54:09.016
council has moved his motion be seconded

4303
02:54:09.040 --> 02:54:11.496
by council me and now hand over to

4304
02:54:11.520 --> 02:54:14.216
council just to speak to his motion.

4305
02:54:14.240 --> 02:54:16.936
Yeah, thank you very much. And um sir,

4306
02:54:16.960 --> 02:54:19.960
so um in relation to the motion closing

4307
02:54:20.080 --> 02:54:23.080
and and rightfully um uh the response

4308
02:54:23.359 --> 02:54:26.359
from the CEO is correct. This motion did

4309
02:54:26.560 --> 02:54:29.560
was put originally up and uh

4310
02:54:30.000 --> 02:54:33.000
subsequently was uh altered and uh for

4311
02:54:34.399 --> 02:54:37.255
some understandable reason some was

4312
02:54:37.279 --> 02:54:39.896
legal and ownorous aspects of it and uh

4313
02:54:39.920 --> 02:54:42.920
I understand uh the concept behind that

4314
02:54:43.520 --> 02:54:46.216
and however I think over the multiple

4315
02:54:46.240 --> 02:54:48.696
amendments I think uh it was washed out

4316
02:54:48.720 --> 02:54:50.776
and this is a very important point for I

4317
02:54:50.800 --> 02:54:53.255
think for the council to get some

4318
02:54:53.279 --> 02:54:56.279
position on. Um, as such, I personally

4319
02:54:57.600 --> 02:54:59.496
wrote to the Department of Fair Training

4320
02:54:59.520 --> 02:55:01.496
on a on a matter and they gave me a very

4321
02:55:01.520 --> 02:55:04.136
clear indication in relation to the

4322
02:55:04.160 --> 02:55:06.536
obligation of real estate agents and I

4323
02:55:06.560 --> 02:55:09.560
also asked them in relation um not

4324
02:55:09.680 --> 02:55:11.176
particularly in relation to the council

4325
02:55:11.200 --> 02:55:13.576
but you know what would be our position.

4326
02:55:13.600 --> 02:55:15.016
And I think it'd be very important for

4327
02:55:15.040 --> 02:55:18.040
us to uh as a council to at least um ask

4328
02:55:20.479 --> 02:55:21.736
the question of the department of

4329
02:55:21.760 --> 02:55:24.455
planning uh in relation to what our

4330
02:55:24.479 --> 02:55:26.856
obligation is in relation to these

4331
02:55:26.880 --> 02:55:29.880
projects that are ongoing and and and to

4332
02:55:30.240 --> 02:55:32.375
ensure that you know at least on the

4333
02:55:32.399 --> 02:55:34.136
instruments that we provide to

4334
02:55:34.160 --> 02:55:36.696
prospective buyers or developers or

4335
02:55:36.720 --> 02:55:39.720
whatever it there is a element in there

4336
02:55:39.760 --> 02:55:42.760
of known facts. uh and those known facts

4337
02:55:44.319 --> 02:55:46.216
may not be present yet but I think it's

4338
02:55:46.240 --> 02:55:49.240
important for us to at least what we do

4339
02:55:49.520 --> 02:55:52.520
know is available to the people from a

4340
02:55:52.720 --> 02:55:54.536
disclosure perspective it also protects

4341
02:55:54.560 --> 02:55:56.856
us as a council just to give you a

4342
02:55:56.880 --> 02:55:58.455
little bit of context as well some of

4343
02:55:58.479 --> 02:56:00.616
the other wording other councils are

4344
02:56:00.640 --> 02:56:02.536
using and this may be the end result

4345
02:56:02.560 --> 02:56:04.295
once we do write and I would say we

4346
02:56:04.319 --> 02:56:06.056
should get legal advice I think the CEO

4347
02:56:06.080 --> 02:56:08.616
or the director of should maybe write to

4348
02:56:08.640 --> 02:56:09.896
the department of planning and say this

4349
02:56:09.920 --> 02:56:11.096
is our scenario

4350
02:56:11.120 --> 02:56:13.335
you know, we have these projects going

4351
02:56:13.359 --> 02:56:15.736
on in our backyard. What is our

4352
02:56:15.760 --> 02:56:17.816
obligation as a council? That's all.

4353
02:56:17.840 --> 02:56:19.896
Right. The the answer might be nothing.

4354
02:56:19.920 --> 02:56:21.415
But some of the the answers that I'm

4355
02:56:21.439 --> 02:56:23.255
getting is is that people are some of

4356
02:56:23.279 --> 02:56:25.736
the councils are putting a disclaimer in

4357
02:56:25.760 --> 02:56:28.056
their planning portals to say that this

4358
02:56:28.080 --> 02:56:30.455
this certificate you should be planning

4359
02:56:30.479 --> 02:56:33.479
to 96 and 95 and it says that this does

4360
02:56:33.520 --> 02:56:34.776
not include state significant

4361
02:56:34.800 --> 02:56:36.696
development applications or approvals

4362
02:56:36.720 --> 02:56:38.536
unless formally adopted by the council

4363
02:56:38.560 --> 02:56:41.016
local environmental plans right but it

4364
02:56:41.040 --> 02:56:44.040
doesn't the known ones I think we have

4365
02:56:44.240 --> 02:56:47.240
an obligation that are already in motion

4366
02:56:47.439 --> 02:56:49.415
we need to advise people but the ones

4367
02:56:49.439 --> 02:56:52.439
that are not are still just out there

4368
02:56:52.640 --> 02:56:54.536
and they're just discussions and not as

4369
02:56:54.560 --> 02:56:57.096
any stage. I think that's really comes

4370
02:56:57.120 --> 02:56:58.936
back to the you know the buyer be aware

4371
02:56:58.960 --> 02:57:00.056
that they should make their own

4372
02:57:00.080 --> 02:57:01.816
investigations.

4373
02:57:01.840 --> 02:57:03.816
So that was really just at the council

4374
02:57:03.840 --> 02:57:05.415
to write to the department of planning

4375
02:57:05.439 --> 02:57:07.816
and and try and get a position from them

4376
02:57:07.840 --> 02:57:10.840
as in relation to this money. Uh thanks

4377
02:57:11.040 --> 02:57:13.096
council. Look, I I just want to say from

4378
02:57:13.120 --> 02:57:14.696
a procedural point of view, just for the

4379
02:57:14.720 --> 02:57:17.016
public, the CEO has pointed out that we

4380
02:57:17.040 --> 02:57:19.255
and and as the council has alluded to,

4381
02:57:19.279 --> 02:57:21.496
we have had discussions, you know,

4382
02:57:21.520 --> 02:57:23.415
around this sort of thing, but not this

4383
02:57:23.439 --> 02:57:25.576
specifically. So, so, you know, I allow

4384
02:57:25.600 --> 02:57:28.455
the motion and we'll um which is

4385
02:57:28.479 --> 02:57:31.479
essentially to um uh to write to the

4386
02:57:31.520 --> 02:57:33.335
Department of Planning and seek guidance

4387
02:57:33.359 --> 02:57:36.359
on these matters. Um does anyone uh wish

4388
02:57:36.880 --> 02:57:39.176
to speak for the motion or to have any

4389
02:57:39.200 --> 02:57:42.200
any any questions in relation to that?

4390
02:57:42.720 --> 02:57:45.720
through the

4391
02:57:46.800 --> 02:57:49.255
is it already covered under fair trading

4392
02:57:49.279 --> 02:57:52.216
by real estate agents and vendors that

4393
02:57:52.240 --> 02:57:54.056
they're obliged to disclose material

4394
02:57:54.080 --> 02:57:57.080
facts. So if they're obliged to disclose

4395
02:57:58.000 --> 02:58:00.936
the material facts,

4396
02:58:00.960 --> 02:58:02.936
aren't we doubling up if we if we have

4397
02:58:02.960 --> 02:58:04.696
to do it as well?

4398
02:58:04.720 --> 02:58:06.616
I guess so. I just don't I just don't

4399
02:58:06.640 --> 02:58:07.736
understand if they do it.

4400
02:58:07.760 --> 02:58:09.415
I guess so. So through the chair I guess

4401
02:58:09.439 --> 02:58:12.439
I would say that um uh it is true that

4402
02:58:13.439 --> 02:58:15.496
there is already existing obligations

4403
02:58:15.520 --> 02:58:17.656
but I guess in my discussions council

4404
02:58:17.680 --> 02:58:20.680
the office I don't see any harm in us uh

4405
02:58:20.880 --> 02:58:22.536
you know seeking any additional guidance

4406
02:58:22.560 --> 02:58:24.616
that might it may well be uh just

4407
02:58:24.640 --> 02:58:26.696
repeating of what already exists but

4408
02:58:26.720 --> 02:58:29.720
that's what we're exploring.

4409
02:58:30.000 --> 02:58:31.896
Um yeah, just

4410
02:58:31.920 --> 02:58:33.496
the outcome might be exactly what you're

4411
02:58:33.520 --> 02:58:35.415
suggesting, but we've spoken about it

4412
02:58:35.439 --> 02:58:38.216
quite a bit and we just uh that's what

4413
02:58:38.240 --> 02:58:39.736
we're we're wanting to get some

4414
02:58:39.760 --> 02:58:41.255
satisfaction on.

4415
02:58:41.279 --> 02:58:42.776
It's already an obligation for a real

4416
02:58:42.800 --> 02:58:44.216
estate agent or someone selling

4417
02:58:44.240 --> 02:58:46.216
something.

4418
02:58:46.240 --> 02:58:49.240
Yeah. Already there. Sorry. I I don't I

4419
02:58:50.240 --> 02:58:53.240
I I don't see the necessity for if it's

4420
02:58:53.359 --> 02:58:55.976
already an obligation on one side of the

4421
02:58:56.000 --> 02:58:59.000
um um financial arrangement

4422
02:59:00.319 --> 02:59:03.319
that it has to be done again. I'm sorry.

4423
02:59:05.359 --> 02:59:06.776
No. All right. Well, that's that's fine.

4424
02:59:06.800 --> 02:59:09.096
You can give you I don't think any can

4425
02:59:09.120 --> 02:59:10.375
answer that. We're just we're just

4426
02:59:10.399 --> 02:59:12.936
suggesting that we that it's been put

4427
02:59:12.960 --> 02:59:14.856
that we take that action to see if we

4428
02:59:14.880 --> 02:59:16.455
get the same outcome or a different

4429
02:59:16.479 --> 02:59:18.776
outcome. Um I think councelor Reynolds

4430
02:59:18.800 --> 02:59:21.800
might in first. Um thank you through

4431
02:59:22.160 --> 02:59:24.936
when one purchases a property um you

4432
02:59:24.960 --> 02:59:27.960
send off basically inquiries to the

4433
02:59:28.560 --> 02:59:30.056
local government

4434
02:59:30.080 --> 02:59:33.080
and I do believe that uh this gives us

4435
02:59:33.600 --> 02:59:36.600
the opportunity just to make sure that

4436
02:59:36.640 --> 02:59:38.696
our hands are clean

4437
02:59:38.720 --> 02:59:41.720
um and that we are not seen as colluding

4438
02:59:44.399 --> 02:59:47.399
with developers in any way shape or form

4439
02:59:47.600 --> 02:59:49.816
and hiding some of those projects.

4440
02:59:49.840 --> 02:59:51.976
If I were a purchaser coming into this

4441
02:59:52.000 --> 02:59:55.000
area, looking at this magnificent view

4442
02:59:55.840 --> 02:59:58.840
in front of me uh and putting down my

4443
02:59:59.040 --> 03:00:01.176
hard earned cash and as we said earlier

4444
03:00:01.200 --> 03:00:02.856
today, it's not unusual to have a

4445
03:00:02.880 --> 03:00:05.176
million dollar property in our region.

4446
03:00:05.200 --> 03:00:08.200
now um only to find out after I had

4447
03:00:09.120 --> 03:00:12.120
settled that within the next 12 months

4448
03:00:12.720 --> 03:00:15.016
to 2 years there is going to be

4449
03:00:15.040 --> 03:00:17.415
industrial wing farms that are going to

4450
03:00:17.439 --> 03:00:20.439
completely block my vista. I would not

4451
03:00:20.479 --> 03:00:23.479
be happy. So I think from from a moral

4452
03:00:24.240 --> 03:00:27.240
perspective and commercial perspective,

4453
03:00:27.840 --> 03:00:30.840
we as council should always

4454
03:00:31.840 --> 03:00:34.840
go over and above to ensure that we

4455
03:00:34.960 --> 03:00:37.960
inform potential purchases of any

4456
03:00:38.399 --> 03:00:41.399
knowledge that we have of those um of

4457
03:00:41.920 --> 03:00:43.415
those projects.

4458
03:00:43.439 --> 03:00:44.936
Well, I guess this is just about us

4459
03:00:44.960 --> 03:00:47.255
understanding obligations. Yeah, that's

4460
03:00:47.279 --> 03:00:50.216
really um is any uh anyone else want to

4461
03:00:50.240 --> 03:00:53.176
speak? Um uh we're out to for the

4462
03:00:53.200 --> 03:00:55.656
motion. Yeah. Um councelor Ken,

4463
03:00:55.680 --> 03:00:58.455
thanks and thanks thanks chair and

4464
03:00:58.479 --> 03:01:00.536
thanks to councelor for bringing this

4465
03:01:00.560 --> 03:01:03.560
back in this form which I think is uh

4466
03:01:03.680 --> 03:01:06.680
much more able to be supported than than

4467
03:01:06.800 --> 03:01:08.936
the omnibus version that was presented

4468
03:01:08.960 --> 03:01:11.816
last time. So council thanks very much.

4469
03:01:11.840 --> 03:01:13.896
Um I think this is actually pretty

4470
03:01:13.920 --> 03:01:16.616
clear. There are obligations on uh other

4471
03:01:16.640 --> 03:01:18.216
parties to do any commercial

4472
03:01:18.240 --> 03:01:21.240
transaction, but this motion seeks

4473
03:01:21.680 --> 03:01:24.680
for us to agree to confirm council's

4474
03:01:25.520 --> 03:01:26.936
statutory obligations, not obligations

4475
03:01:26.960 --> 03:01:28.616
on real estate agents, not obligations

4476
03:01:28.640 --> 03:01:31.640
on vendors or or um or potential buyers,

4477
03:01:31.760 --> 03:01:33.576
but on what we are required to do. And I

4478
03:01:33.600 --> 03:01:36.216
think that's a very helpful piece uh in

4479
03:01:36.240 --> 03:01:38.455
any of these large commercial real

4480
03:01:38.479 --> 03:01:41.479
estate uh and related transactions. So I

4481
03:01:41.760 --> 03:01:43.816
commend councelor Lurus for bringing it

4482
03:01:43.840 --> 03:01:46.216
to us and I will be supporting.

4483
03:01:46.240 --> 03:01:48.056
Very good. Um does anyone want to speak

4484
03:01:48.080 --> 03:01:50.536
against the motion or we uh or any

4485
03:01:50.560 --> 03:01:51.736
questions?

4486
03:01:51.760 --> 03:01:54.760
Um I just thinking um

4487
03:01:55.520 --> 03:01:58.295
and uh it's only just a slight change um

4488
03:01:58.319 --> 03:02:00.776
that we're looking for uh advice from

4489
03:02:00.800 --> 03:02:02.216
the New South Wales Department of

4490
03:02:02.240 --> 03:02:03.896
Planning, Housing and Infrastructure,

4491
03:02:03.920 --> 03:02:06.455
Office of Local Government. It's then

4492
03:02:06.479 --> 03:02:08.776
when it goes to and or appropriate legal

4493
03:02:08.800 --> 03:02:11.736
counsel um if we we took out that

4494
03:02:11.760 --> 03:02:14.136
appropriate legal counsel um because

4495
03:02:14.160 --> 03:02:15.415
we're saying let's go and ask these

4496
03:02:15.439 --> 03:02:17.656
people, let's go and ask these maybe

4497
03:02:17.680 --> 03:02:20.680
we'll go and ask them. Um I think the

4498
03:02:20.800 --> 03:02:23.800
department of planning um and uh office

4499
03:02:24.080 --> 03:02:26.455
of local government it would be up to

4500
03:02:26.479 --> 03:02:28.936
them to approach and and um and they've

4501
03:02:28.960 --> 03:02:30.776
got a bigger budget to get the legal

4502
03:02:30.800 --> 03:02:32.455
counsel

4503
03:02:32.479 --> 03:02:35.479
um in in this situation. Otherwise, I'm

4504
03:02:35.680 --> 03:02:37.255
not on board.

4505
03:02:37.279 --> 03:02:40.136
All right. Well, so I must I didn't

4506
03:02:40.160 --> 03:02:41.896
overlook that. I thought we were talking

4507
03:02:41.920 --> 03:02:43.415
about just the department planning, but

4508
03:02:43.439 --> 03:02:46.136
it does say indoor and council as you

4509
03:02:46.160 --> 03:02:48.536
interested in adopting that amendment or

4510
03:02:48.560 --> 03:02:50.455
just take out legal.

4511
03:02:50.479 --> 03:02:53.176
So, all right. So, if if the mover and

4512
03:02:53.200 --> 03:02:54.776
the second are happy with that, we will

4513
03:02:54.800 --> 03:02:57.800
just remove that section and or

4514
03:02:57.840 --> 03:02:59.816
appropriate legal council bid. Is that

4515
03:02:59.840 --> 03:03:01.335
okay?

4516
03:03:01.359 --> 03:03:03.016
All Are we happy with the motion that's

4517
03:03:03.040 --> 03:03:05.016
now presented with that little sections

4518
03:03:05.040 --> 03:03:08.040
taken out?

4519
03:03:08.240 --> 03:03:10.616
All right. Thank you. Um I'll put the

4520
03:03:10.640 --> 03:03:13.640
motion and all those in favor.

4521
03:03:14.000 --> 03:03:15.656
I think that's carried unanimously.

4522
03:03:15.680 --> 03:03:17.096
Thank you.

4523
03:03:17.120 --> 03:03:20.120
Um we move on to item 17.2.

4524
03:03:21.200 --> 03:03:24.200
Um

4525
03:03:26.160 --> 03:03:29.160
um and standardizing response protocol.

4526
03:03:29.680 --> 03:03:32.295
Um, this is a motion put forward by

4527
03:03:32.319 --> 03:03:34.696
Council Mega. Um, council mega, would

4528
03:03:34.720 --> 03:03:37.415
you like to move the motion and seek a

4529
03:03:37.439 --> 03:03:38.375
second?

4530
03:03:38.399 --> 03:03:40.536
Uh, yeah, I'd like to move the motion

4531
03:03:40.560 --> 03:03:42.856
for standardizing response protocol for

4532
03:03:42.880 --> 03:03:44.375
community correspondence.

4533
03:03:44.399 --> 03:03:46.295
Yeah. And and we have a second for that

4534
03:03:46.319 --> 03:03:49.319
motion. Um, Council Reynolds, I seconded

4535
03:03:50.000 --> 03:03:51.736
it. And now just hand over to Council

4536
03:03:51.760 --> 03:03:54.760
Megan to speak to her motion.

4537
03:03:54.880 --> 03:03:57.880
Okay. Okay. Um just as part of the

4538
03:03:59.600 --> 03:04:01.736
outreach community outreach meetings

4539
03:04:01.760 --> 03:04:04.616
that we have just started to conduct. Um

4540
03:04:04.640 --> 03:04:07.640
we just had to on the Tuesday of this

4541
03:04:07.840 --> 03:04:10.840
week. Um the concerns were around

4542
03:04:12.080 --> 03:04:15.080
community uh communication protocols

4543
03:04:16.240 --> 03:04:19.240
and there was some concerns expressed

4544
03:04:19.279 --> 03:04:22.279
about uh response times in relation to a

4545
03:04:22.800 --> 03:04:25.800
number of matters. Um, so I've brought

4546
03:04:26.319 --> 03:04:29.319
forward this uh motion to standardize

4547
03:04:29.680 --> 03:04:31.736
response protocols for community

4548
03:04:31.760 --> 03:04:34.056
correspondents and it's aimed

4549
03:04:34.080 --> 03:04:36.136
particularly for correspondence

4550
03:04:36.160 --> 03:04:39.160
addressed to the mayor and or counselors

4551
03:04:39.520 --> 03:04:42.520
copied in or counselors individually. Um

4552
03:04:43.120 --> 03:04:45.335
the feedback that we're receiving is

4553
03:04:45.359 --> 03:04:48.216
that a lot of that communication is

4554
03:04:48.240 --> 03:04:49.896
overlooked

4555
03:04:49.920 --> 03:04:52.920
um for whatever reason, not responded to

4556
03:04:53.040 --> 03:04:55.576
or not responded to within a reasonable

4557
03:04:55.600 --> 03:04:58.600
time frame. I take on board the CEO's

4558
03:04:58.880 --> 03:05:01.016
comments. So, thank you for those that

4559
03:05:01.040 --> 03:05:03.335
the standardized response time is five

4560
03:05:03.359 --> 03:05:06.359
business days. Um, what I'm asking for

4561
03:05:06.720 --> 03:05:09.656
is to bring that back to two business

4562
03:05:09.680 --> 03:05:11.576
days for an acknowledgement of

4563
03:05:11.600 --> 03:05:14.536
correspondence. Not a necessarily a

4564
03:05:14.560 --> 03:05:17.096
response, but an acknowledgement to the

4565
03:05:17.120 --> 03:05:19.896
person who's raised the concern that

4566
03:05:19.920 --> 03:05:22.920
their concern is acknowledged and will

4567
03:05:23.359 --> 03:05:26.295
be responded to in due course or passed

4568
03:05:26.319 --> 03:05:29.016
on to the appropriate areas for

4569
03:05:29.040 --> 03:05:32.040
response. I I think it's just common

4570
03:05:32.479 --> 03:05:35.479
courtesy to acknowledge the community's

4571
03:05:35.760 --> 03:05:38.760
concerns in a timely fashion. And I

4572
03:05:38.960 --> 03:05:41.415
think 5 days is too long to acknowledge

4573
03:05:41.439 --> 03:05:44.439
a response. Um the other concern that I

4574
03:05:44.800 --> 03:05:47.800
have is that often we may receive

4575
03:05:48.640 --> 03:05:50.375
communications individually as

4576
03:05:50.399 --> 03:05:53.016
counselors or it could just be addressed

4577
03:05:53.040 --> 03:05:54.936
to the mayor. the mayor as the

4578
03:05:54.960 --> 03:05:57.896
spokesperson for uh the council should

4579
03:05:57.920 --> 03:06:00.920
be the person to whom it responds and at

4580
03:06:01.600 --> 03:06:04.600
the moment there's an ad hoc approach to

4581
03:06:04.640 --> 03:06:06.616
responses and we need to make sure that

4582
03:06:06.640 --> 03:06:09.255
we have a consistent approach to

4583
03:06:09.279 --> 03:06:10.856
communications.

4584
03:06:10.880 --> 03:06:13.415
So all I'm asking for in this motion and

4585
03:06:13.439 --> 03:06:15.415
I'm happy to open it up to other

4586
03:06:15.439 --> 03:06:17.496
counselors for

4587
03:06:17.520 --> 03:06:20.520
um you know comment but basically the

4588
03:06:20.960 --> 03:06:23.176
essence of this is just to acknowledge

4589
03:06:23.200 --> 03:06:26.200
the community concern. Okay. It's not to

4590
03:06:26.319 --> 03:06:29.255
have a full response or solution to the

4591
03:06:29.279 --> 03:06:32.056
community concern within 2 days. It is

4592
03:06:32.080 --> 03:06:35.080
purely a courteous acknowledgement that

4593
03:06:35.439 --> 03:06:38.439
their concern exists. So that's all I'm

4594
03:06:38.720 --> 03:06:39.816
asking for.

4595
03:06:39.840 --> 03:06:41.335
All right. Thank you, Council Megan. And

4596
03:06:41.359 --> 03:06:43.255
look, I've seen I'm implicated in this,

4597
03:06:43.279 --> 03:06:46.056
I'll just make a couple of comments.

4598
03:06:46.080 --> 03:06:48.616
Firstly, firstly, the five day thing

4599
03:06:48.640 --> 03:06:50.936
that I had a discussion with council me

4600
03:06:50.960 --> 03:06:52.776
about this, I actually quite like that

4601
03:06:52.800 --> 03:06:55.576
in terms of a proper response because um

4602
03:06:55.600 --> 03:06:58.216
I do try to meet with at least the CEO

4603
03:06:58.240 --> 03:07:00.136
or some staff at least once a week, if

4604
03:07:00.160 --> 03:07:01.816
not more. And that gives me the

4605
03:07:01.840 --> 03:07:04.536
opportunity potentially to hopefully

4606
03:07:04.560 --> 03:07:07.560
give um possibly a satisfactory response

4607
03:07:08.880 --> 03:07:11.880
um to to uh any individual who raises an

4608
03:07:12.160 --> 03:07:14.616
issue. However, as council mess

4609
03:07:14.640 --> 03:07:16.776
explained, this is more to do with

4610
03:07:16.800 --> 03:07:19.576
simply acknowledging um that that that

4611
03:07:19.600 --> 03:07:22.600
we have received their um communication

4612
03:07:22.960 --> 03:07:25.960
and that we are um

4613
03:07:26.240 --> 03:07:28.616
uh have referred it to um the

4614
03:07:28.640 --> 03:07:30.056
appropriate area or that, you know,

4615
03:07:30.080 --> 03:07:31.736
we're dealing with it ourselves. So, I

4616
03:07:31.760 --> 03:07:33.176
don't have a problem with that. I I'm

4617
03:07:33.200 --> 03:07:35.176
happy to take on if this is approved,

4618
03:07:35.200 --> 03:07:36.856
I'm happy to take on that obligation and

4619
03:07:36.880 --> 03:07:39.880
and hopefully I'll uh satisfy the uh the

4620
03:07:40.399 --> 03:07:43.399
guidelines. Um the only other comment I

4621
03:07:43.520 --> 03:07:44.536
suppose I'd mentioned I don't know

4622
03:07:44.560 --> 03:07:47.016
whether it's being pedantic but it's

4623
03:07:47.040 --> 03:07:49.415
just you know we do occasionally get

4624
03:07:49.439 --> 03:07:51.096
letters uh other forms of

4625
03:07:51.120 --> 03:07:51.976
correspondence.

4626
03:07:52.000 --> 03:07:52.455
Yeah.

4627
03:07:52.479 --> 03:07:55.479
Um you know um whether you want to

4628
03:07:55.600 --> 03:07:57.736
expand you you've just limited it to

4629
03:07:57.760 --> 03:08:00.455
email which admittedly is vast majority

4630
03:08:00.479 --> 03:08:02.856
of things. Well, I mean, even an

4631
03:08:02.880 --> 03:08:04.696
acknowledgement by a phone call, like if

4632
03:08:04.720 --> 03:08:07.720
you receive a written concern, you know,

4633
03:08:08.160 --> 03:08:11.160
2 days within receipt of that letter

4634
03:08:11.359 --> 03:08:13.896
takes 25 seconds to pick up a phone and

4635
03:08:13.920 --> 03:08:15.976
just acknowledge that it's that it's

4636
03:08:16.000 --> 03:08:18.136
done or if they don't have an email

4637
03:08:18.160 --> 03:08:21.096
address, you know, just at least

4638
03:08:21.120 --> 03:08:23.255
respond. I mean, that's the issue.

4639
03:08:23.279 --> 03:08:24.936
So, I guess what I'm saying is resolves

4640
03:08:24.960 --> 03:08:26.536
that any email or correspondence.

4641
03:08:26.560 --> 03:08:28.216
Yeah. Or all or correspondence. if we

4642
03:08:28.240 --> 03:08:30.455
could just add those two words in

4643
03:08:30.479 --> 03:08:32.375
because I think you know there is people

4644
03:08:32.399 --> 03:08:34.295
who still don't have computers and we

4645
03:08:34.319 --> 03:08:36.136
should treat them the same as any other

4646
03:08:36.160 --> 03:08:36.856
form of

4647
03:08:36.880 --> 03:08:39.096
and just sorry the second the second

4648
03:08:39.120 --> 03:08:41.096
part of that is often we receive

4649
03:08:41.120 --> 03:08:43.976
correspondence from uh constituents that

4650
03:08:44.000 --> 03:08:46.616
might may be addressed to the mayor and

4651
03:08:46.640 --> 03:08:49.640
all of us counselors copied in. So all

4652
03:08:49.840 --> 03:08:51.335
that we're asking is that when you

4653
03:08:51.359 --> 03:08:53.896
acknowledge that that you copy us all

4654
03:08:53.920 --> 03:08:56.455
back in so that we know that we don't

4655
03:08:56.479 --> 03:08:58.216
have to action it

4656
03:08:58.240 --> 03:08:59.255
because

4657
03:08:59.279 --> 03:09:01.816
that that's just part and parcel. So

4658
03:09:01.840 --> 03:09:02.375
and

4659
03:09:02.399 --> 03:09:04.616
wherever it's dealt should respond but

4660
03:09:04.640 --> 03:09:07.176
you're the spokesperson so therefore I'm

4661
03:09:07.200 --> 03:09:08.776
just saying that if you could please

4662
03:09:08.800 --> 03:09:11.255
copy us all in so that we know that we

4663
03:09:11.279 --> 03:09:12.536
don't have to respond.

4664
03:09:12.560 --> 03:09:15.560
Yeah. Right. And and as I say, um the

4665
03:09:16.000 --> 03:09:18.375
the CEO has mentioned here the potential

4666
03:09:18.399 --> 03:09:20.936
privacy things if if we would be

4667
03:09:20.960 --> 03:09:23.176
emailing other people, but if I'm just

4668
03:09:23.200 --> 03:09:25.896
responding to the people who are on it,

4669
03:09:25.920 --> 03:09:27.896
I don't see that would be an issue.

4670
03:09:27.920 --> 03:09:30.375
Um so is uh anyone else want to speak

4671
03:09:30.399 --> 03:09:32.295
for the motion

4672
03:09:32.319 --> 03:09:33.016
question?

4673
03:09:33.040 --> 03:09:34.776
Oh, no, I'll speak to the motion, but I

4674
03:09:34.800 --> 03:09:36.936
do have a question. Um so I I support

4675
03:09:36.960 --> 03:09:38.776
this. I mean, obviously it's it's a bit

4676
03:09:38.800 --> 03:09:40.295
it's very clunky. It's it's it's

4677
03:09:40.319 --> 03:09:42.936
unclear, and that's the worst thing. And

4678
03:09:42.960 --> 03:09:44.696
um even with the best will in the world,

4679
03:09:44.720 --> 03:09:46.216
some of the some of the correspondence

4680
03:09:46.240 --> 03:09:47.335
is going to fall between the tracks

4681
03:09:47.359 --> 03:09:48.696
because I think you're answering it. You

4682
03:09:48.720 --> 03:09:50.216
think I'm answering it, I think Paul's

4683
03:09:50.240 --> 03:09:51.816
answering it, etc. So, and so I think

4684
03:09:51.840 --> 03:09:54.840
this is a very sensible way to go. My

4685
03:09:55.439 --> 03:09:58.439
question relates to what I those emails

4686
03:09:58.960 --> 03:10:01.496
that I'm sure you all get cuz I am sure

4687
03:10:01.520 --> 03:10:04.520
I am not special that are only addressed

4688
03:10:04.640 --> 03:10:07.176
to me but look like they've just also

4689
03:10:07.200 --> 03:10:09.896
just you know de counselor Cameron

4690
03:10:09.920 --> 03:10:12.920
and it's just D council Flanigan Dcast

4691
03:10:12.960 --> 03:10:15.960
so on so um which are all all relevant

4692
03:10:16.479 --> 03:10:19.479
uh it would be um uh and it's also a

4693
03:10:20.160 --> 03:10:22.375
very good strategy for a community

4694
03:10:22.399 --> 03:10:24.856
member to peak our attention

4695
03:10:24.880 --> 03:10:27.415
to make it look like it's just delivered

4696
03:10:27.439 --> 03:10:29.335
to you.

4697
03:10:29.359 --> 03:10:30.856
That's that's

4698
03:10:30.880 --> 03:10:32.856
pretty sensible. If you want to raise

4699
03:10:32.880 --> 03:10:34.216
someone's attention, write to them

4700
03:10:34.240 --> 03:10:35.576
individually,

4701
03:10:35.600 --> 03:10:37.335
but also right to the other 10 of the

4702
03:10:37.359 --> 03:10:40.359
not eight of us as well. Um how you

4703
03:10:40.560 --> 03:10:42.936
envisionage we might resolve do do you

4704
03:10:42.960 --> 03:10:44.056
have any ideas about how we might

4705
03:10:44.080 --> 03:10:44.776
resolve those?

4706
03:10:44.800 --> 03:10:47.496
Actually, honey, you should ask that. Um

4707
03:10:47.520 --> 03:10:50.216
I I think it's about education and I

4708
03:10:50.240 --> 03:10:53.240
mean we have a uh a marketing officer in

4709
03:10:54.160 --> 03:10:57.016
in April. So it would just take putting

4710
03:10:57.040 --> 03:11:00.040
something on on the on the upper website

4711
03:11:00.319 --> 03:11:02.056
sharing it amongst the community pages

4712
03:11:02.080 --> 03:11:04.536
saying if you have concerns and you wish

4713
03:11:04.560 --> 03:11:07.560
to address them this is the protocol.

4714
03:11:07.840 --> 03:11:10.375
Yes. address it to the mayor and you can

4715
03:11:10.399 --> 03:11:12.136
you're welcome to CC in or the

4716
03:11:12.160 --> 03:11:14.136
counselors right there their email

4717
03:11:14.160 --> 03:11:17.160
addresses are available on the website

4718
03:11:17.200 --> 03:11:19.976
maybe put a link to it two second job I

4719
03:11:20.000 --> 03:11:22.375
mean obviously there are going to be

4720
03:11:22.399 --> 03:11:24.375
some that that slip through the cracks

4721
03:11:24.399 --> 03:11:26.216
but for instance if I received an email

4722
03:11:26.240 --> 03:11:28.375
just addressed to me you're correct it

4723
03:11:28.399 --> 03:11:31.399
it's great strategy right but I always

4724
03:11:31.520 --> 03:11:34.455
ring Paul or I'll ask another council

4725
03:11:34.479 --> 03:11:37.415
did you get this you know um so we

4726
03:11:37.439 --> 03:11:40.439
shouldn't take it as uh you know uh

4727
03:11:40.640 --> 03:11:42.776
engendering us to respond to it. We

4728
03:11:42.800 --> 03:11:45.415
should be reaching out to Paul to say

4729
03:11:45.439 --> 03:11:48.056
did you get this um will you address it

4730
03:11:48.080 --> 03:11:49.736
and then Paul will address it and copy

4731
03:11:49.760 --> 03:11:51.335
us all back in so we know it's been

4732
03:11:51.359 --> 03:11:51.816
addressed.

4733
03:11:51.840 --> 03:11:53.816
All right. So look as councelor Cameron

4734
03:11:53.840 --> 03:11:55.415
says there there's clearly some

4735
03:11:55.439 --> 03:11:57.896
difficulties some some unusual things

4736
03:11:57.920 --> 03:11:59.736
that might arise here. Um

4737
03:11:59.760 --> 03:12:01.656
I I would just like to say something. So

4738
03:12:01.680 --> 03:12:03.335
I would love to see some training or

4739
03:12:03.359 --> 03:12:05.176
some protocols poured in place and and

4740
03:12:05.200 --> 03:12:08.200
all of us go through that. Um in recent

4741
03:12:08.319 --> 03:12:11.319
weeks we have all received um emails

4742
03:12:11.840 --> 03:12:14.536
from someone who would be described as a

4743
03:12:14.560 --> 03:12:17.496
fixated person um didn't relate to

4744
03:12:17.520 --> 03:12:20.520
council matters outside of our LDA.

4745
03:12:22.000 --> 03:12:24.295
By responding to that person we validate

4746
03:12:24.319 --> 03:12:26.776
what they say even if that response is

4747
03:12:26.800 --> 03:12:28.536
an acknowledgement I have received your

4748
03:12:28.560 --> 03:12:31.560
email. Um and that if you look at any

4749
03:12:31.760 --> 03:12:33.335
training that you'll get from the say

4750
03:12:33.359 --> 03:12:35.176
the ethics center or from the ombbuds

4751
03:12:35.200 --> 03:12:38.200
then they too do not do not engage at

4752
03:12:38.240 --> 03:12:39.255
all.

4753
03:12:39.279 --> 03:12:41.255
Um I've ordered those emails on through

4754
03:12:41.279 --> 03:12:43.016
to the council staff to ensure they're

4755
03:12:43.040 --> 03:12:44.856
registered. Um if they start

4756
03:12:44.880 --> 03:12:47.176
investigating these people then they're

4757
03:12:47.200 --> 03:12:50.200
they're within council system. Um I

4758
03:12:50.880 --> 03:12:53.096
would like to see that we develop some

4759
03:12:53.120 --> 03:12:56.120
protocols on um that type of thing that

4760
03:12:56.240 --> 03:12:58.056
we have some sort of training we talk

4761
03:12:58.080 --> 03:13:00.375
about. Um sometimes we'll get an email

4762
03:13:00.399 --> 03:13:03.399
about um my bin wasn't collected. Will I

4763
03:13:04.399 --> 03:13:06.136
send that through to staff and copy the

4764
03:13:06.160 --> 03:13:08.776
person in and say you know you you guys

4765
03:13:08.800 --> 03:13:09.816
dealt with it?

4766
03:13:09.840 --> 03:13:10.375
No.

4767
03:13:10.399 --> 03:13:13.399
Um you you respond. So I think I'd like

4768
03:13:13.439 --> 03:13:15.335
to see some protocols around that. the

4769
03:13:15.359 --> 03:13:17.016
types of correspondence we've received

4770
03:13:17.040 --> 03:13:18.295
and we know what those types of

4771
03:13:18.319 --> 03:13:20.136
correspondence are now.

4772
03:13:20.160 --> 03:13:23.016
Um and and that we we standardize we

4773
03:13:23.040 --> 03:13:24.455
have a little procedure and that we're

4774
03:13:24.479 --> 03:13:26.616
all acting off the same procedure.

4775
03:13:26.640 --> 03:13:27.896
All right. Well, I take that on notice.

4776
03:13:27.920 --> 03:13:30.920
We might um see if we can um ask the CEO

4777
03:13:31.600 --> 03:13:34.455
to perhaps um talk to our IT staff to to

4778
03:13:34.479 --> 03:13:35.976
maybe issue some guidelines as a

4779
03:13:36.000 --> 03:13:38.136
starting point on that in terms of the

4780
03:13:38.160 --> 03:13:39.496
proper protocols for dealing with

4781
03:13:39.520 --> 03:13:41.736
emails. Um the other point I was just

4782
03:13:41.760 --> 03:13:44.760
going to make was that um

4783
03:13:44.800 --> 03:13:46.696
uh that's really important I think to

4784
03:13:46.720 --> 03:13:48.776
stress when you're saying about on the

4785
03:13:48.800 --> 03:13:50.856
Facebook page and the uh council website

4786
03:13:50.880 --> 03:13:53.656
is to to make the point as I often have

4787
03:13:53.680 --> 03:13:56.536
um in the media and stuff is that really

4788
03:13:56.560 --> 03:13:59.016
the best way with almost without

4789
03:13:59.040 --> 03:14:01.656
exception to to have something addressed

4790
03:14:01.680 --> 03:14:04.536
is to direct it to council rather than

4791
03:14:04.560 --> 03:14:05.976
the council laws.

4792
03:14:06.000 --> 03:14:09.000
Uh because you know generally speaking

4793
03:14:09.840 --> 03:14:11.576
There might be a few exceptions but

4794
03:14:11.600 --> 03:14:13.415
generally speaking all we are doing is

4795
03:14:13.439 --> 03:14:14.616
passing it on

4796
03:14:14.640 --> 03:14:16.455
to them. So look it is much better if

4797
03:14:16.479 --> 03:14:18.215
you obviously with road issues and

4798
03:14:18.239 --> 03:14:19.976
things you have the snaps solved. You've

4799
03:14:20.000 --> 03:14:23.000
got uh directly to report to works. I

4800
03:14:23.920 --> 03:14:25.415
would still suggest to the public that

4801
03:14:25.439 --> 03:14:28.136
that is the best way to to have an issue

4802
03:14:28.160 --> 03:14:29.896
raised but I certainly don't dismiss

4803
03:14:29.920 --> 03:14:31.415
your right to raise something with

4804
03:14:31.439 --> 03:14:32.696
counselors.

4805
03:14:32.720 --> 03:14:34.776
Um councelor Reynolds

4806
03:14:34.800 --> 03:14:37.800
thank you and again to the mayor. Um, I

4807
03:14:38.000 --> 03:14:39.656
think I must have graced this at least

4808
03:14:39.680 --> 03:14:41.976
five times. It gets down to a simple

4809
03:14:42.000 --> 03:14:44.776
CRM, customer relationship management.

4810
03:14:44.800 --> 03:14:47.656
We already have a system in place where

4811
03:14:47.680 --> 03:14:49.176
correspondence is captured and it's

4812
03:14:49.200 --> 03:14:51.656
given a number and and then you have

4813
03:14:51.680 --> 03:14:53.255
that on record.

4814
03:14:53.279 --> 03:14:56.279
The issue is if we have snap send, they

4815
03:14:56.479 --> 03:14:59.096
send that in because they've done that,

4816
03:14:59.120 --> 03:15:00.936
they're not necessarily getting an

4817
03:15:00.960 --> 03:15:03.096
automated response back saying, "Thank

4818
03:15:03.120 --> 03:15:06.120
you, we have it." um but they assume

4819
03:15:06.319 --> 03:15:08.375
that it's gone into the queue and

4820
03:15:08.399 --> 03:15:11.335
therefore it's being addressed. Then a

4821
03:15:11.359 --> 03:15:14.295
month goes by or 6 weeks go by and even

4822
03:15:14.319 --> 03:15:16.616
if they have had that automated

4823
03:15:16.640 --> 03:15:19.640
response, yes, we have it, they hear

4824
03:15:19.840 --> 03:15:22.056
nothing. So they don't know if that

4825
03:15:22.080 --> 03:15:25.080
matter has been addressed or not. Um

4826
03:15:25.359 --> 03:15:28.359
that's number one. Number two is where

4827
03:15:28.880 --> 03:15:31.880
items come in and they are acknowledged.

4828
03:15:32.800 --> 03:15:35.800
Um there is that record from the council

4829
03:15:36.800 --> 03:15:38.776
perspective and I think we should be

4830
03:15:38.800 --> 03:15:41.096
encouraging that they should all go to

4831
03:15:41.120 --> 03:15:43.576
council rather than to individuals.

4832
03:15:43.600 --> 03:15:44.056
Agree

4833
03:15:44.080 --> 03:15:46.936
because we're only in for a short period

4834
03:15:46.960 --> 03:15:49.576
of time we leave our computers are wiped

4835
03:15:49.600 --> 03:15:52.056
and there goes the history. Whereas with

4836
03:15:52.080 --> 03:15:55.080
the system inhouse it should be there.

4837
03:15:55.200 --> 03:15:57.736
Again, if there is no response within

4838
03:15:57.760 --> 03:16:00.760
your standard 5 working days or 25 days

4839
03:16:01.120 --> 03:16:03.736
or whatever, then it can be escalated to

4840
03:16:03.760 --> 03:16:06.760
the next level. And this is, I guess, a

4841
03:16:07.920 --> 03:16:10.616
an insurance policy for management and

4842
03:16:10.640 --> 03:16:12.536
the staff to give them a gentle

4843
03:16:12.560 --> 03:16:14.215
reminder. Oh gosh, she is. I'm going to

4844
03:16:14.239 --> 03:16:16.776
do that. And then they prompted to

4845
03:16:16.800 --> 03:16:19.800
follow up. At the moment, it comes in,

4846
03:16:20.160 --> 03:16:23.016
it's acknowledged, it just sits there.

4847
03:16:23.040 --> 03:16:25.016
Yeah. Correct. So no follow.

4848
03:16:25.040 --> 03:16:26.856
Yep. No. Look, we're just on track here

4849
03:16:26.880 --> 03:16:28.455
with the motion that we've got, but I

4850
03:16:28.479 --> 03:16:29.736
think we did discuss the other night

4851
03:16:29.760 --> 03:16:32.616
that we will revisit. It'll require some

4852
03:16:32.640 --> 03:16:34.856
budgetary preparation in the next budget

4853
03:16:34.880 --> 03:16:36.936
um to look at a better system to deal

4854
03:16:36.960 --> 03:16:38.856
with those issues. But as I say, we're

4855
03:16:38.880 --> 03:16:39.976
just dealing with the motion that we

4856
03:16:40.000 --> 03:16:42.136
have here at hand. So, uh does anyone

4857
03:16:42.160 --> 03:16:43.736
else want to speak against the motion or

4858
03:16:43.760 --> 03:16:46.215
need any further clarification?

4859
03:16:46.239 --> 03:16:48.295
Uh do you need to close the vote,

4860
03:16:48.319 --> 03:16:49.576
council me, or are you happy with what

4861
03:16:49.600 --> 03:16:49.896
you said?

4862
03:16:49.920 --> 03:16:51.576
Yeah, happy to close it.

4863
03:16:51.600 --> 03:16:54.375
Oh, sorry. If you got any sorry you

4864
03:16:54.399 --> 03:16:56.616
don't have any comments nothing else to

4865
03:16:56.640 --> 03:16:56.856
say.

4866
03:16:56.880 --> 03:16:58.295
No. Very good. All right. I'll put that

4867
03:16:58.319 --> 03:16:58.936
motion.

4868
03:16:58.960 --> 03:16:59.496
Hard to believe.

4869
03:16:59.520 --> 03:17:02.520
All those in favor.

4870
03:17:03.040 --> 03:17:06.040
Um against

4871
03:17:10.080 --> 03:17:12.375
it's a longterm problem. I don't think

4872
03:17:12.399 --> 03:17:15.399
the motion has to sort out the issues.

4873
03:17:18.160 --> 03:17:20.215
No, that's fine. So are you against or

4874
03:17:20.239 --> 03:17:21.496
abstaining or

4875
03:17:21.520 --> 03:17:23.816
No, I don't think I can abstain. I'll go

4876
03:17:23.840 --> 03:17:25.016
with the flow.

4877
03:17:25.040 --> 03:17:28.040
Okay. So it's unanimous.

4878
03:17:28.399 --> 03:17:30.856
Thank you. Um

4879
03:17:30.880 --> 03:17:33.016
I believe I'm finally without words.

4880
03:17:33.040 --> 03:17:34.856
All right. Thank you counselors for

4881
03:17:34.880 --> 03:17:37.880
eating into our half an hour. Um

4882
03:17:38.800 --> 03:17:41.656
now the only Yeah, the only remoting uh

4883
03:17:41.680 --> 03:17:43.096
item we have to deal with that we

4884
03:17:43.120 --> 03:17:45.415
haven't got any confidential session is

4885
03:17:45.439 --> 03:17:46.936
the questions with notice. So, look,

4886
03:17:46.960 --> 03:17:49.496
I'll just um

4887
03:17:49.520 --> 03:17:52.520
I I'll just u run through with the

4888
03:17:53.359 --> 03:17:55.016
headings of those. So, there's an update

4889
03:17:55.040 --> 03:17:57.016
on the croopple swimming pool and

4890
03:17:57.040 --> 03:18:00.040
visitor center. Uh a heated pool update,

4891
03:18:00.479 --> 03:18:02.696
um white lines on roads and parking

4892
03:18:02.720 --> 03:18:05.720
spaces, uh parking space for disabled

4893
03:18:05.760 --> 03:18:07.255
drivers and their carers. And then the

4894
03:18:07.279 --> 03:18:10.056
final one is on the trial dam safety,

4895
03:18:10.080 --> 03:18:11.896
capacity restrictions and planned

4896
03:18:11.920 --> 03:18:14.920
repairs. So as is the custom um with

4897
03:18:15.200 --> 03:18:17.576
questions of notice um management has

4898
03:18:17.600 --> 03:18:18.936
given a full response to each of those

4899
03:18:18.960 --> 03:18:21.335
issues which are in the papers and um

4900
03:18:21.359 --> 03:18:22.776
available to the public and of course

4901
03:18:22.800 --> 03:18:24.696
councils would have seen them

4902
03:18:24.720 --> 03:18:27.720
um and and so um I think we'll leave it

4903
03:18:27.760 --> 03:18:30.616
at that if we could

4904
03:18:30.640 --> 03:18:33.640
um at that point I' I'd um we've dealt

4905
03:18:34.319 --> 03:18:35.656
with all the business for today's

4906
03:18:35.680 --> 03:18:37.576
meeting. I'd like to close the meeting.

4907
03:18:37.600 --> 03:18:39.415
So, I'll move that the meeting be closed

4908
03:18:39.439 --> 03:18:42.375
at um

4909
03:18:42.399 --> 03:18:44.696
4:51.

4910
03:18:44.720 --> 03:18:47.335
Um, and thank you for your attention and

4911
03:18:47.359 --> 03:18:50.359
we'll um say well next month.