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 good morning everybody and welcome to

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the Upper Lachlan Shire Council  extraordinary meeting

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for the 4th of November 25.

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Acknowledgement of country.  I'd like

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to acknowledge and pay our respects to

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the Aboriginal Elders both past and

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present as well as emerging leaders and

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acknowledge the traditional custodians

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of the land on which we meet today.

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 now I'll just move on to apologies.

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 we have a full complement of 

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counselors today. councelor Yallouris

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is joining us via webcasting and

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everyone else is present which is great.

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the director of finance Andrew Croke 

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he's unable to be  with us and he's an

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apology.

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 now I just call on any 

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any declarations. I have no declarations

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at the moment and so it would

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appear that we've got no declarations 

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and there's no presentations. So, we'll

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just move on to the one item of business

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today you will see that there was a

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notice of meeting put out  on the 31st

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of October which myself  the Deputy

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Mayor Rob Cameron and councelor Flanagan

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have signed which which schedules

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today's meeting so we move on to 

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item 1.1

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which is regarding the  the swimming

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fee  pool fees for Crookwell just by way

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of introduction I just mentioned that we

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annually you know forever we've set

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the pool fees  at the budget time and

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and you know they're the same  all the

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way through but we've As you'll see in

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our discussions, we've identified some

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things that we believe  need

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correction. I'm not sure I've ever we've

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ever had that situation before, but 

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you know, we just want to address it.

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So, look, I'll hand over to Do you want

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me just to speak to it or say, you got

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me sort of tech?

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Yep, no problem. Excuse me. So,  first

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of all, just like to make it clear that

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we're talking about the Crookwell and

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Gunning Pools. So this is the council

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fees for the the whole area and the

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recommendation  as requested by the

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Mayor is that the entrance fees are

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reduced from the current fees and

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charges which were placed on exhibition

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 for 28 days back in June I would say

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and then they were adopted by council in

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July or at the end of June so the

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the current fees are $9 for an adult 

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and $6 for a child and a family of two

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is $20 and that is a casual swim meaning

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that you pay on the day now the 

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the family passes are $200 this is

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a season ticket with adults being $130

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and then school children being $80. So

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they represent  extremely good value

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for both pools for the the full season.

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Um, and so there's obviously a I guess a

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recommendation there that the adult fee

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is changed to $6, the child fee is

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changed to $4 and the concession being

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$4 as well. And that again is for a

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casual swim. So you pay on the day a

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single swim and then $15 for a

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family. And a family, just to clarify,

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is two adults and three children and any

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additional child being $3.  and the

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this point the recommendation does not

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include  which again I'll reiterate is

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very good value the season passes. So I

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I think that unless the Mayor wants to

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talk to the background a little bit more

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that probably clarifies what we're

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talking

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 yes no thank you to the CEO. Um look

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first of all I I suppose I'll so we can

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have the debate I'll put my motion.

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So I'd like to recommend put

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the motion  as outlined and call for

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a second of that motion.

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 councilor Pierce has seconded that now

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just in talking to the motion as I

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mentioned in the introduction you

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know it's quite irregular to 

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change the prices and I'm disappointed

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that we you know we have to follow the

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procedures of course that this would

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have to  happen in 28 days. It would

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have been better if if we'd identified

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this a bit sooner and had at the start

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of the year I'd just like to

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acknowledge  councilor Meggitt and thank her

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for bringing this to  our attention

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when she did otherwise it might have

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been later still so it is something

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that right at the moment every  I

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guess every week in the public arena we

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see more and more evidence of  the

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cost of living pressures on families 

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you know  where people are really not

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spending a lot on discretionary items

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and  I'd hate to think that we had

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charges that stop people enjoying the

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simple pleasure of um of going to

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library in full another thing I'm

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certainly wasn't very on top of but I

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sort of now am is that our fees that we

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had originally approved are quite out of

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step with regional pools that well other

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other pools in this area and for that

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reason I just felt we couldn't  let

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that continue and and address it as

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quickly as we could as the CEO

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mentioned

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 I do still think the seasonal 

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pass side of things  offers very

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good value and and thankfully it is

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pitched at larger families get quite a

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good deal out of that compared to pay

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phone casual rates I'm also very

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mindful that

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 quite a few people have already

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bought season passes and will do so in

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the next month. today. It would seem to

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me, you know, the real issue is the 

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the day-to-day passes and that's why

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I've I've put the motion as I have

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so, look, the motion's been moved and

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seconded. I  just ask if anyone 

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would like to speak. I'm obviously

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speaking for the motion. I think that's

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the right course of action. I' I'd have

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to say in discussions with councilors

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um there is some  you know different

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views but I think ultimately we we all

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really want to make sure that  this

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pool which is brand new and and  you

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know thankfully is  there's elements

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of it that we've still got to finish but

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we we you know we're all very keen to

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make sure that it's well used and  you

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know families small working-class

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families  can attend without having to

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worry

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 price and pressure.  so look, if

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anyone would like to speak against the

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motion,  yeah, councilor Meggitt.

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 thank you, mayor. I would like to

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foreshadow an amendment  to your

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motion. And first of all, I'd like to

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thank us for all coming here today to

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address this issue cuz I think it's a

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really important issue given the cost of

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living.

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 what we have before us is an

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unfinished complex at Crookwell so I'm

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really grateful that we're talking about

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reducing the fees  for the the day

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fees. What I would like to amend is the

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seasonal passes  back to where they

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were at 2024 opening prices taking

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into account that we have an unfinished

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complex at Crookwell that the increase

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sort is 15%.

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 $25 is  a considerable amount of

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money I believe  for most families

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and I take it on board that it was put

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on exhibition and we as a council

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collectively voted for it um for those

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fees which otherwise would have been

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acceptable if the complex was finished.

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 that's my view. I believe that 

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Gunning should not have to

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pay any more  for a pool for which

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they get no additional benefit.  so

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for that reason I would like to see the

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motion amended to incorporate the

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seasonal passes for family adult

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children and concession back to 2024

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levels.  I also would like to take

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this opportunity to acknowledge that

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some people have purchased a seasonal

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pass already and those people will w

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continue to make the commitment. I'm not

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seeking a refund but I will put forward

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to you the analogy of purchasing an

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outfit for instance which you need at

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that time when it you know to go to work

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or something like that. You pay full

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price for it and the next day it goes on

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sale. it it it just kind of is what it

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is in that respect. So I'm looking for

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the council to support that amendment to

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relieve the cost of living pressures

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going in and those people will get more

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use of the pools.

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All right. Have you got your motion

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to the secretary or

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No, I haven't

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have prepared motion

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but I will

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 well what we'd have to do is look at

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the amendment now.

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Yeah so we really need that to be

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better.

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Are you able to jump in?

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Yeah.

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So, in in addition to what you've

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already proposed, I just want to add

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it's more of an an addition

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um via an amendment to 

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 sustain the prices for the seasonal

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passes

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 for the for the casual prices. you're

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saying.

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No, no, no, no, no. The seasonal passes

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to 2024 levels. So, no increase.

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So, they've already been increased

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because we're almost halfway through a

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financial year. So, if you're wanting to

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put 04, it it would need to be or even

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an extra bullet point or dot point on on

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number one. If you have a look at your

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papers, yeah, it would need to be that

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the

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um that the seasonal pass and you would

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need to say whether you're talking about

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family, child, adult or all of them um

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either are reduced to the

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2024 value or it be better for us to put

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the actual value.

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Okay. So, all seasonal passes

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and I can list what they were.

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And you're talking about the 2425 fees,

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correct? Yeah.

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And I got these straight from the Upper

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Lanch Council website. So, I'm assuming

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they're correct.

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I've got a print out.

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Okay. Pop in.

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So 24 25 list out each of the seasonal

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pass items please and the value

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just a point of clarification. Is it a

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foreshadowed motion or an amendment?

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 treated differently.

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Yes it was I understood it to be an

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amendment.

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Yeah an amendment. Sorry

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it's kind of incorrect terminology.

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Well, sorry. You're right. I mean, I

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would have to accept the amendment. Um,

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which which I I guess I don't because I

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believe the original motion.

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So, then it has to become a foreshadow

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foreshadow motion, I guess. Is that

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correct?

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Well, it's not. Yeah, it would need to

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be. Yeah, it would be totally different.

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It was although it's very similar to the

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motion that you've put up. So you don't

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change that one.

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So you're changing one point

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to put changing it to the the seasonal

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tickets become and the price three

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level.

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Yeah. I'm changing point 2.

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Yeah.

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Yeah. So look, um, if you're putting it

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as a, um,

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an amendment of, as I say, as the mover,

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I would have to accept it, which I,

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obviously, it's contrary to what I

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believe is the best thing. So I wouldn't

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accept that.

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Mhm.

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So we deal with the original motion if

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that's the case. Is that right?

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Yes.

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So you've got a vote on the original

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motion, correct?

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Yeah. So if it were to fail, if it were

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to fail, then we would um you have the

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opportunity to put that. Yes.

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All right.

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All right. So, look, um, sorry for that

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procedural thing there. We've got No,

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it's not your fault. We're all just

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getting this right.

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Um, so, look, we'll, um, it's noted

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that, um, council me um has foreshadowed

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, a different motion if in the event

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this is um, not resolved. So

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returning to the original motion in the

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papers, um I've already said a few

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things about it, but I guess in support

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of my motion and perhaps, you know,

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acknowledging the the um the situation

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with season passes, the only thing I

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would add is just that I personally

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think um the intention of changing

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seasonal passes um you know is quite

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good, but the reality is that some have

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already bought it and someone who's

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buying um a seasonal pass um for the

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whole season um I I would expect would

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have done so by the time our prices um

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come into force in 28 days and that

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being the case I just don't think it's a

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very good you know it would engender not

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very good will if the majority of people

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in that category have purchased have

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already bought it and then find that um

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if anyone does apply late which probably

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not very likely either, they would get a

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benefit that that all of the main users

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of the pool don't get. So, um I I

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certainly feel that just addressing the

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casual

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 entrance fee is what I feel is the

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fairest thing and um give the most

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benefit to  making sure the pool is um

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able to be 

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utilized given the cost of living

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pressures that we've spoken about. So,

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look, enough said from me. Um

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could I have a question please?

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Yeah sure.

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Um in relation to the actual season if

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for example we do allow for the seasonal

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pass to be adjusted in 28 days that will

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take it through to early December. How

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long is the pool scheduled to be open

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for during the six and is it to March

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next year? So they would still have the

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benefit of four months

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at a reduced rate.

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Um I'll pass to the director who can

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confirm the date. I believe it's the

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usually the first weekend closing.

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Yeah. First Yeah. First weekend of March

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we usually close.

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Yeah.

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All right. So that still gives them

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December, January, February, that's 3

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months. They would be missing out on one

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month because I think most people would

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not be going to the pool so much until

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the school holidays start, which is

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second week in December or indeed on hot

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weekends obviously if it's coming up. So

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there's still value there should we

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decide to reduce their seasonal passes.

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I guess I disagree because obviously

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they would have to buy it at that point.

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So if they bought it, you know, most

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people who are going to get a season

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pass would get it, you know, at the

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start of the year. So um if it comes in

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in December and they've already got a

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pass, then there's no benefit to them.

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But anyway, I've had my say. Does um

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anyone want to speak against the motion?

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Just got to add a question. Yeah, sure.

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Chances

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do we have a forecast on how many

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visitors we're expecting at the pool

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this season?

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I'm not sure we have a forecast, but we

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do have some actuals from last year.

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So, from last year through the CEO from

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last year, Gunning had around the 4,000

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people attending the pool. , Crookwall

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and you need to keep this very this

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point in mind. It was free access. it

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was around the 13,000 people utilizing

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the pool. However, if I went to the pool

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in the morning and then I went back in

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the afternoon, that was counted as two.

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Thank you.

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Sorry, just want to emphasize that

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13,000 I would suggest is distorted

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because of being free access.

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So this current season will be the

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season where we get the stats and at the

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end of it I would anticipate a report

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coming back to council to really clarify

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the actual cost um and the numbers that

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need to. So that's something just to

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really bear in mind in the decision that

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you make that the the cost of operating

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the pools because we're talking about

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both pools is significant. So reducing

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the amount of revenue that comes in will

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obviously increase the overall deficit

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of running the pools. So which means

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that essentially council being the

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community are subsidizing the pool even

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further rather than it being user paid.

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So just something to bear.

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All right. Is there any other questions

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here?

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Um yeah so following on through sorry

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through um thank you Alex for that. was

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exactly the the question I wanted to ask

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because um there's been a lot of

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discussion about  public pools mainly

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since because of North Sydney pools

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fiasco but um the bottom line is that no

00:19:22.960 --> 00:19:25.960
public pool makes its money back there's

00:19:26.320 --> 00:19:29.320
no there's no money in it costs money um

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they're expensive to run um do we have

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any figures on on what that what that

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ratio is like what is it what does it

00:19:38.720 --> 00:19:41.096
cost to run the pool and what do we 

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take in the gate?

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So at the moment

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we've got the costs of the two pools and

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again we haven't operated the the new

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pool for a full season which means we

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haven't staffed it for a full season as

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well which is one of the significant

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costs other than energy. Um and it's

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almost $400,000 to run the two pools and

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then the revenue gain is was gauged at

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around about 30 35. So we we'd hope for

00:20:07.440 --> 00:20:09.816
that to be up to the $40,000,

00:20:09.840 --> 00:20:12.616
but again reducing things down as per um

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the current motion as it is um would

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reduce it down by around about $10,000.

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So even further. So the the gap is

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opening.

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Again, these are only projected.

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Yeah, forgive my dodgy mathematics and

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um because I'm crap at it. So that's

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about it's currently costing council 360

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grand to operate both pools.

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Yes.

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For a return of 40.

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Yeah. Okay.

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Just a quick question. What um were

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those 24 um season prices for the season

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ticket? So, so for instance, now we've

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got one at 200

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175 I think.

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175

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 175

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175 110

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80 and 65 I think. Sorry. 110.

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Yeah. And just to just to clarify for

00:21:04.640 --> 00:21:07.640
the for the public, we um we did have a

00:21:07.679 --> 00:21:10.679
gazetted prices for 2024 as where they

00:21:10.720 --> 00:21:13.336
were never enacted because we ended up

00:21:13.360 --> 00:21:15.576
saying that because of the closure of

00:21:15.600 --> 00:21:18.456
the pool for for several seasons that we

00:21:18.480 --> 00:21:20.056
would wave the fee, but the official

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figures are what we're talking about

00:21:21.360 --> 00:21:23.895
that

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it didn't actually come to pass. Council

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sanding

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that Vij was on public exhibition the 

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 prices and we didn't get any comment

00:21:33.679 --> 00:21:35.816
at that time since and obviously we've

00:21:35.840 --> 00:21:38.840
had commented about the  affordability

00:21:39.520 --> 00:21:42.296
can I ask  without getting into too

00:21:42.320 --> 00:21:44.696
much detail has there been many comments

00:21:44.720 --> 00:21:47.096
regarding the season past a for

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affordability or is it casual?

00:21:51.200 --> 00:21:53.176
 well, look, I I I certainly know

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there is significant talk about the

00:21:55.919 --> 00:21:58.376
casual past, but I'd have to ask either

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the CEO or the director of planning if

00:22:00.559 --> 00:22:02.535
they had any feedback on everything.

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Um through the CEO, I've had no

00:22:04.799 --> 00:22:06.696
feedback.

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And I've received one  email from

00:22:09.360 --> 00:22:11.655
somebody who felt that all of the prices

00:22:11.679 --> 00:22:14.679
were high  compared to I guess the the

00:22:15.679 --> 00:22:17.816
return they get on on the swimming pool.

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And that did relate to gunning actually

00:22:19.440 --> 00:22:21.416
and not well.

00:22:21.440 --> 00:22:22.456
Sorry.

00:22:22.480 --> 00:22:25.480
It was generic about all of the fees.

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Any other questions on the motion? Does

00:22:29.039 --> 00:22:32.039
anyone want to speak against the motion?

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Question.

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Councelor Yaris, did you have a

00:22:37.440 --> 00:22:39.096
question?

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Sorry.

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No, I think he's turned his microphone

00:22:43.360 --> 00:22:43.816
off.

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All right.

00:22:47.600 --> 00:22:49.816
You have to speak up, Terry.

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Yeah, the audio breaks in and out. I

00:22:52.240 --> 00:22:53.816
hope you can hear me. Okay.

00:22:53.840 --> 00:22:55.416
Yeah, we can now. We're

00:22:55.440 --> 00:22:57.096
go ahead.

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Just um the only question I had for you

00:22:59.840 --> 00:23:02.840
is is operationally do you know what we

00:23:02.880 --> 00:23:04.775
haven't as a council understand what is

00:23:04.799 --> 00:23:07.799
the operational cost  and and you know

00:23:08.640 --> 00:23:10.376
the benefit or disadvantage that we're

00:23:10.400 --> 00:23:13.400
going to have if we if we alter these um

00:23:13.919 --> 00:23:16.919
um these fees cuz we're sort of throwing

00:23:17.280 --> 00:23:18.856
numbers around what what would it cost

00:23:18.880 --> 00:23:20.296
us last year

00:23:20.320 --> 00:23:22.616
you know what's the cost for this year

00:23:22.640 --> 00:23:24.936
and and what would that look like you

00:23:24.960 --> 00:23:27.096
know most changes.

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Yeah, we do have those numbers,

00:23:28.880 --> 00:23:30.456
councelor, so I'll just hand over to

00:23:30.480 --> 00:23:31.256
you.

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Um through the CEO, the actual costs

00:23:34.640 --> 00:23:36.696
that we've worked out for the crook

00:23:36.720 --> 00:23:39.720
swimming pool is $178,000.

00:23:40.559 --> 00:23:43.416
 predominantly salaries, wages,

00:23:43.440 --> 00:23:46.440
chemicals, water, power.  with respect

00:23:46.720 --> 00:23:49.720
to the gunning pool, it was the 80 in

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the $80,000 mark.

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And that doesn't include depreciation in

00:23:54.960 --> 00:23:56.616
those figures. It's just the raw

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figures.

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And could and could I just make a point

00:24:00.320 --> 00:24:03.096
to that in terms of the impact on

00:24:03.120 --> 00:24:06.120
revenue um  personally I believe that

00:24:07.039 --> 00:24:10.039
if we left the casual rates at $9 and $6

00:24:11.919 --> 00:24:14.456
there would be lower visitation

00:24:14.480 --> 00:24:16.936
 than if it's dropped down. So you

00:24:16.960 --> 00:24:19.576
can't just say it'll be one/3 less by

00:24:19.600 --> 00:24:21.416
being at $6. I mean, I guess what I'm

00:24:21.440 --> 00:24:23.736
hoping is that people will visit the

00:24:23.760 --> 00:24:26.456
pool more frequently um because of the

00:24:26.480 --> 00:24:28.216
fact that it's affordable and that they

00:24:28.240 --> 00:24:30.856
won't be, you know, families, you know,

00:24:30.880 --> 00:24:33.880
have  that they won't be not going to

00:24:34.559 --> 00:24:36.535
the pool because of the cost of their

00:24:36.559 --> 00:24:39.559
whole family. So, you know, it's

00:24:39.760 --> 00:24:41.496
 the mathematics of what the impact

00:24:41.520 --> 00:24:43.496
is, I think, is difficult. But I would

00:24:43.520 --> 00:24:46.296
like I'd like to think of course that

00:24:46.320 --> 00:24:48.856
although the price per entry will fall

00:24:48.880 --> 00:24:50.616
that we might have somewhere in between

00:24:50.640 --> 00:24:52.616
in terms of the overall visitation as we

00:24:52.640 --> 00:24:55.015
get more people coming because it's

00:24:55.039 --> 00:24:56.616
reasonable.

00:24:56.640 --> 00:24:58.856
 councelor um Cameron.

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Thanks, Mayor. Um so, um I I would I

00:25:03.360 --> 00:25:06.296
would like to speak against the original

00:25:06.320 --> 00:25:09.096
motion. I suppose, but only on the basis

00:25:09.120 --> 00:25:11.015
that I agree with all of those fee

00:25:11.039 --> 00:25:12.936
reductions in paragraph one of the

00:25:12.960 --> 00:25:15.416
recommendation that they um the casual

00:25:15.440 --> 00:25:18.135
fees be reduced.  but I vote against

00:25:18.159 --> 00:25:20.296
this because I support the idea that the

00:25:20.320 --> 00:25:22.616
season tickets should be commensurately

00:25:22.640 --> 00:25:24.535
reduced as well. And I think pegging

00:25:24.559 --> 00:25:26.856
them to the start starting price of the

00:25:26.880 --> 00:25:29.880
the four five the last 24 25 figures is

00:25:30.080 --> 00:25:33.080
a is a sensible sort of thing. Um  and

00:25:33.760 --> 00:25:36.216
I am swayed in fact by what you just

00:25:36.240 --> 00:25:38.456
said about lower lower prices getting

00:25:38.480 --> 00:25:41.416
more people coming. Um  and that

00:25:41.440 --> 00:25:44.135
applies equally to seasonal passes as it

00:25:44.159 --> 00:25:45.736
does for casual passes. Now I'm a

00:25:45.760 --> 00:25:48.760
swimmer um  and  from time to time

00:25:49.679 --> 00:25:52.679
will go down to  Golden to swim and

00:25:53.279 --> 00:25:55.895
I'm a lap swimmer. So I'm I'm one of

00:25:55.919 --> 00:25:58.456
those people that are probably more

00:25:58.480 --> 00:26:00.936
likely to buy a season ticket.  and

00:26:00.960 --> 00:26:02.856
I'm probably more likely to come more

00:26:02.880 --> 00:26:05.255
often  if the fees are cheap at the

00:26:05.279 --> 00:26:07.496
same logic that you just applied for the

00:26:07.520 --> 00:26:09.816
casual passes. I don't know that I'm

00:26:09.840 --> 00:26:12.616
particularly swayed, however, by the

00:26:12.640 --> 00:26:14.376
idea that because the thing is

00:26:14.400 --> 00:26:17.400
unfinished  or things are um 

00:26:19.279 --> 00:26:22.279
haven't been  um  physically

00:26:23.679 --> 00:26:26.376
improved  in the case of gunning that

00:26:26.400 --> 00:26:28.296
fees shouldn't go up or down. And that's

00:26:28.320 --> 00:26:31.176
just because input costs  rise those

00:26:31.200 --> 00:26:33.096
 those other costs, chemicals and

00:26:33.120 --> 00:26:35.655
power in particular.  and if there's

00:26:35.679 --> 00:26:37.496
any skimping on chemicals, then we're in

00:26:37.520 --> 00:26:40.376
a public health um um situation which is

00:26:40.400 --> 00:26:43.400
which is undesirable. Um that all said

00:26:43.520 --> 00:26:46.520
 I think the  total fee package 

00:26:47.039 --> 00:26:50.039
should be  just held back while we 

00:26:50.960 --> 00:26:53.496
finish things while we make improvements

00:26:53.520 --> 00:26:56.520
elsewhere.  and it would be great to

00:26:57.520 --> 00:27:00.520
see   and again tapping into your

00:27:01.279 --> 00:27:03.576
last point, Mr. Mayor, it would be great

00:27:03.600 --> 00:27:06.600
to see both these facilities have far

00:27:07.279 --> 00:27:10.279
far more usage  um  either casually

00:27:11.039 --> 00:27:14.039
or through season ticket holders. Um 

00:27:14.720 --> 00:27:16.376
and I and I would hope that a fee

00:27:16.400 --> 00:27:18.856
reduction  as proposed initially by

00:27:18.880 --> 00:27:21.576
you and as proposed to be amended or

00:27:21.600 --> 00:27:24.296
foreshadowed  by council me would

00:27:24.320 --> 00:27:26.135
would in fact get more people through

00:27:26.159 --> 00:27:27.496
the gates.

00:27:27.520 --> 00:27:29.416
 thank you councelor Cameron. Does

00:27:29.440 --> 00:27:32.440
anyone like to speak for the motion?

00:27:32.640 --> 00:27:34.936
Um I think about councelor Harris

00:27:34.960 --> 00:27:37.255
actually first

00:27:37.279 --> 00:27:40.056
opposed the um price rise originally. I

00:27:40.080 --> 00:27:42.216
don't  believe in the cost of

00:27:42.240 --> 00:27:44.456
government crisis we have at the moment

00:27:44.480 --> 00:27:47.336
that it's  appropriate  to increase

00:27:47.360 --> 00:27:50.360
the fees and yeah will support any way

00:27:50.960 --> 00:27:53.960
to reduce the including  the season

00:27:56.640 --> 00:27:58.856
tickets. All right. Thank you. Anyone

00:27:58.880 --> 00:28:01.880
want to speak against the motion?

00:28:04.960 --> 00:28:07.960
Sorry, Council Flol.

00:28:11.840 --> 00:28:14.840
Um, so look, I think we're now all clear

00:28:15.520 --> 00:28:17.736
um on the situation here. I think, as I

00:28:17.760 --> 00:28:19.736
say, largely we're all in agreeance. to

00:28:19.760 --> 00:28:22.696
trying to make this um to get the best

00:28:22.720 --> 00:28:25.720
use out of our um our facility across

00:28:25.919 --> 00:28:28.919
Gunning and  Crook. So looking closing

00:28:29.360 --> 00:28:31.336
the debate, um the only final thing I'd

00:28:31.360 --> 00:28:32.936
say is that while there are elements of

00:28:32.960 --> 00:28:35.960
the pool, we obviously are, you know, we

00:28:37.440 --> 00:28:39.096
do want a heated pool, something we've

00:28:39.120 --> 00:28:41.255
never had before, but I guess I'd also

00:28:41.279 --> 00:28:44.279
say that the pool that we have are brand

00:28:44.559 --> 00:28:46.696
new. Um you know, they're excellent

00:28:46.720 --> 00:28:49.720
pools. Um and you know I'm not ashamed

00:28:50.559 --> 00:28:52.936
of the fact that you know the facility

00:28:52.960 --> 00:28:55.816
we have compared to what we had before

00:28:55.840 --> 00:28:58.840
despite not being complete um is still

00:28:58.960 --> 00:29:01.015
um an excellent facility and even in

00:29:01.039 --> 00:29:03.416
gunning  look it is a very old pool

00:29:03.440 --> 00:29:06.375
but we have done um quite a few

00:29:06.399 --> 00:29:08.296
improvements there as well. We've we've

00:29:08.320 --> 00:29:10.535
made it a much healthier pool with the

00:29:10.559 --> 00:29:12.696
upgrading of the filtration and the

00:29:12.720 --> 00:29:15.336
covering of the pool to make it a bit

00:29:15.360 --> 00:29:17.895
warmer on the fringes of the season. So

00:29:17.919 --> 00:29:19.655
anyway, enough said on that. I think we

00:29:19.679 --> 00:29:22.375
all understand um the motion. So the

00:29:22.399 --> 00:29:25.399
motion is at the currently is as per the

00:29:26.240 --> 00:29:28.535
papers which which deals it should be

00:29:28.559 --> 00:29:31.336
before you there.

00:29:31.360 --> 00:29:33.015
Um

00:29:33.039 --> 00:29:36.039
and  it it deals as the it deals just

00:29:36.799 --> 00:29:39.336
with the casual operating rates. So

00:29:39.360 --> 00:29:41.336
could I ask all those in favor of that

00:29:41.360 --> 00:29:43.736
motion say I

00:29:43.760 --> 00:29:46.760
so we have one two three

00:29:47.840 --> 00:29:49.336
four

00:29:49.360 --> 00:29:50.616
four

00:29:50.640 --> 00:29:53.640
council better just have a look at

00:29:57.840 --> 00:29:59.416
just for clar

00:29:59.440 --> 00:30:02.440
just for clarity all those against

00:30:02.640 --> 00:30:05.640
so we do have five so the motion's lost

00:30:06.000 --> 00:30:08.775
um we'll move on to the foreshadowed

00:30:08.799 --> 00:30:11.799
motion.

00:30:14.080 --> 00:30:15.736
Um,

00:30:15.760 --> 00:30:18.760
just wait a minute till Katie gets it.

00:30:22.240 --> 00:30:23.416
We're just having a technical issue

00:30:23.440 --> 00:30:24.775
where we can't have the two different

00:30:24.799 --> 00:30:26.056
screens up at the moment. So,

00:30:26.080 --> 00:30:27.576
unfortunately, K's having to flip

00:30:27.600 --> 00:30:29.496
between two. So, apologies. There'll be

00:30:29.520 --> 00:30:31.976
a slight delay.

00:30:32.000 --> 00:30:34.775
Motion, not

00:30:34.799 --> 00:30:35.336
that's right.

00:30:35.360 --> 00:30:36.696
Yes.

00:30:36.720 --> 00:30:38.775
, councelor Cameron.

00:30:38.799 --> 00:30:41.255
, Mr. Mayor, would it to to give

00:30:41.279 --> 00:30:43.496
effect to council mega's foreshadowed

00:30:43.520 --> 00:30:45.416
motion, could I suggest that it very

00:30:45.440 --> 00:30:47.176
simply be done in the absence of any

00:30:47.200 --> 00:30:49.655
text that you council mega might have

00:30:49.679 --> 00:30:52.616
already provided or or suggested

00:30:52.640 --> 00:30:54.535
that that paragraph two of the

00:30:54.559 --> 00:30:57.559
recommendation just be amended

00:30:57.679 --> 00:31:00.535
very simply um just to say that the

00:31:00.559 --> 00:31:01.895
prices for all seasonal tickets for

00:31:01.919 --> 00:31:04.919
crook and gunning pools for the 20 2026

00:31:05.440 --> 00:31:08.440
operational swimmers season remain

00:31:09.039 --> 00:31:12.039
remain the same as the 2024 2025

00:31:12.320 --> 00:31:14.535
operational plan. And that that that

00:31:14.559 --> 00:31:17.559
that was

00:31:18.000 --> 00:31:20.616
Yeah. Oh, just as simple as that. Yeah.

00:31:20.640 --> 00:31:22.056
Yeah. That sounds good. The only thing

00:31:22.080 --> 00:31:23.816
is that the CEO did say it might be

00:31:23.840 --> 00:31:25.096
better to have the actual figures in

00:31:25.120 --> 00:31:27.255
there.

00:31:27.279 --> 00:31:28.616
You could put that in there and then

00:31:28.640 --> 00:31:31.496
list the figures being

00:31:31.520 --> 00:31:33.255
whatever they were. The actual figures

00:31:33.279 --> 00:31:35.496
would be better because somebody's just

00:31:35.520 --> 00:31:37.816
looking at resolution rather than

00:31:37.840 --> 00:31:40.375
looking through.

00:31:40.399 --> 00:31:43.399
You've got them there, haven't you?

00:31:44.240 --> 00:31:47.240
Can you still

00:32:06.480 --> 00:32:09.096
So we're going to put

00:32:09.120 --> 00:32:10.135
the same.

00:32:10.159 --> 00:32:12.135
Yeah. And then probably do another

00:32:12.159 --> 00:32:14.216
sentence and just say you know that is

00:32:14.240 --> 00:32:17.096
perhaps and then just put the three

00:32:17.120 --> 00:32:20.120
categories. Family pass 175.

00:32:21.919 --> 00:32:24.216
Just these are all tickets for gunning

00:32:24.240 --> 00:32:27.240
 crowell and gunning pools.

00:32:30.080 --> 00:32:33.080
are aligned to the 2425.

00:32:33.519 --> 00:32:36.519
Align to the 2425

00:32:42.559 --> 00:32:45.559
25 adopted fees

00:32:45.919 --> 00:32:47.816
being

00:32:47.840 --> 00:32:49.495
and then list them out please.

00:32:49.519 --> 00:32:50.936
Have you got them?

00:32:50.960 --> 00:32:53.895
Yes. Thank you.

00:32:53.919 --> 00:32:55.416
Can I just ask that question while this

00:32:55.440 --> 00:32:57.655
is going on? Can you do they have

00:32:57.679 --> 00:33:00.375
reciprocal rights between the pool? So a

00:33:00.399 --> 00:33:02.135
seasonal pass will get me into gutting

00:33:02.159 --> 00:33:03.015
and and

00:33:03.039 --> 00:33:04.936
it's an oplin seasonal pass which I

00:33:04.960 --> 00:33:06.056
think is appropriate.

00:33:06.080 --> 00:33:07.336
And look, I was looking at it earlier.

00:33:07.360 --> 00:33:09.576
It's spelled out clearly on the website.

00:33:09.600 --> 00:33:10.216
That's how it works.

00:33:10.240 --> 00:33:12.216
Must have sat with my one eye.

00:33:12.240 --> 00:33:14.296
Yeah,

00:33:14.320 --> 00:33:17.320
it certainly does go across the show.

00:33:24.159 --> 00:33:27.159
Oh, I see.

00:33:34.480 --> 00:33:37.480
So I just make a comment. Can town pull

00:33:37.760 --> 00:33:40.760
a family pass for them is something like

00:33:41.039 --> 00:33:43.816
$1,200.

00:33:43.840 --> 00:33:46.296
That's

00:33:46.320 --> 00:33:47.895
have more users as well.

00:33:47.919 --> 00:33:49.416
Yeah, exactly.

00:33:49.440 --> 00:33:52.135
And they still don't make any money.

00:33:52.159 --> 00:33:52.856
Yeah.

00:33:52.880 --> 00:33:54.936
And there's also concession too, isn't

00:33:54.960 --> 00:33:56.775
there?

00:33:56.799 --> 00:33:59.799
I've got senior pension concession

00:33:59.919 --> 00:34:02.375
holders with 65

00:34:02.399 --> 00:34:04.696
as per the website. Is that right?

00:34:04.720 --> 00:34:07.015
The school children and

00:34:07.039 --> 00:34:09.256
concession holders

00:34:09.280 --> 00:34:11.976
has the exert from the um the charges.

00:34:12.000 --> 00:34:12.456
So

00:34:12.480 --> 00:34:15.335
it doesn't actually seem to show some

00:34:15.359 --> 00:34:16.536
well it did on the website.

00:34:16.560 --> 00:34:18.375
It does. However,

00:34:18.399 --> 00:34:21.176
it's not not there. It is in the casuals

00:34:21.200 --> 00:34:23.016
but not in the season as far as I can

00:34:23.040 --> 00:34:26.040
see.

00:34:27.520 --> 00:34:28.296
Yeah. So

00:34:28.320 --> 00:34:29.815
I think the intention is meant to be

00:34:29.839 --> 00:34:32.055
school age and concession. They usually

00:34:32.079 --> 00:34:33.256
aligned to each other.

00:34:33.280 --> 00:34:35.736
Okay. So we put that on there too. I

00:34:35.760 --> 00:34:38.135
don't have an issue if it says

00:34:38.159 --> 00:34:38.776
concession.

00:34:38.800 --> 00:34:40.936
I'll just make that clear. And that in

00:34:40.960 --> 00:34:43.256
the casual prices that's what we did. We

00:34:43.280 --> 00:34:45.335
bought them to the same level.

00:34:45.359 --> 00:34:46.615
Just put slash concession.

00:34:46.639 --> 00:34:49.575
Yeah. Thanks for having

00:34:49.599 --> 00:34:52.216
that just makes me happy.

00:34:52.240 --> 00:34:54.536
Council me happy with that.

00:34:54.560 --> 00:34:57.016
Am I happy?

00:34:57.040 --> 00:34:59.896
Yeah, absolutely. Yep. Seasonal tickets

00:34:59.920 --> 00:35:02.776
for and gunning pools are Yep. Correct.

00:35:02.800 --> 00:35:03.176
Y

00:35:03.200 --> 00:35:06.200
and the second happy with that.

00:35:06.800 --> 00:35:09.736
All right. Yeah. So, um I think we've

00:35:09.760 --> 00:35:11.335
all had a fair bit of discussion, but

00:35:11.359 --> 00:35:13.335
look, I'd still allow if anyone wants to

00:35:13.359 --> 00:35:16.359
speak against the motion. Um  or and

00:35:17.200 --> 00:35:19.416
perhaps I think we've probably done the

00:35:19.440 --> 00:35:21.496
round so we'll just let council me close

00:35:21.520 --> 00:35:23.176
the debate.

00:35:23.200 --> 00:35:25.256
Yeah. Okay. Well, I'm very happy with

00:35:25.280 --> 00:35:27.496
that amendment and I think it's fair for

00:35:27.520 --> 00:35:30.376
the whole community other than just um

00:35:30.400 --> 00:35:32.936
parts of the community and I'm pleased

00:35:32.960 --> 00:35:34.696
to understand that it's reciprocal

00:35:34.720 --> 00:35:37.496
rights. So, um thank you for that. I'm

00:35:37.520 --> 00:35:39.976
happy with that motion. Can I ask a

00:35:40.000 --> 00:35:41.896
clarifying question please before you

00:35:41.920 --> 00:35:43.656
certainly say yeah

00:35:43.680 --> 00:35:46.680
um it although in your abateon you said

00:35:47.520 --> 00:35:49.896
that you weren't looking for any kind of

00:35:49.920 --> 00:35:51.256
refunds for people that had already

00:35:51.280 --> 00:35:52.936
purchased in the past I think that that

00:35:52.960 --> 00:35:55.496
probably needs to be resolved as part of

00:35:55.520 --> 00:35:57.256
this whether there is or isn't going to

00:35:57.280 --> 00:35:59.095
be a refund otherwise that will be left

00:35:59.119 --> 00:36:01.656
up to council officers to decipher

00:36:01.680 --> 00:36:02.456
whether that should

00:36:02.480 --> 00:36:03.016
okay so

00:36:03.040 --> 00:36:05.575
is that part three

00:36:05.599 --> 00:36:08.055
I mean for the season passes so yeah you

00:36:08.079 --> 00:36:08.856
happy with that.

00:36:08.880 --> 00:36:09.976
Yeah.

00:36:10.000 --> 00:36:12.055
Yeah.

00:36:12.079 --> 00:36:14.696
That's that I just think Yeah. But that

00:36:14.720 --> 00:36:16.696
was part of the original which was

00:36:16.720 --> 00:36:19.656
talking about casual pass casual swims.

00:36:19.680 --> 00:36:22.055
No, that's fair call. I'm happy with

00:36:22.079 --> 00:36:22.536
that.

00:36:22.560 --> 00:36:24.216
All right. So move in the second happy

00:36:24.240 --> 00:36:25.575
with that amendment.

00:36:25.599 --> 00:36:27.256
Yes.

00:36:27.280 --> 00:36:27.896
Yes.

00:36:27.920 --> 00:36:29.575
Have you got anything further council me

00:36:29.599 --> 00:36:30.456
or motion?

00:36:30.480 --> 00:36:32.136
Thank you. Thank you.

00:36:32.160 --> 00:36:34.616
All right. So, we've got a um

00:36:34.640 --> 00:36:36.216
foreshadowed motion up there now that I

00:36:36.240 --> 00:36:37.736
think we all understand that deals with

00:36:37.760 --> 00:36:40.760
all prices. All those in favor?

00:36:42.400 --> 00:36:44.376
Um

00:36:44.400 --> 00:36:47.400
Terry's there and against.

00:36:47.920 --> 00:36:50.696
So, councelor Seal is against. Um all

00:36:50.720 --> 00:36:53.720
the rest are in favor.

00:36:59.200 --> 00:37:01.095
Right. Yeah. No, look, we we understand

00:37:01.119 --> 00:37:04.119
that. So look, that being  that was

00:37:04.240 --> 00:37:06.616
our only matter of business for today.

00:37:06.640 --> 00:37:09.640
So um thank thank you for everyone their

00:37:10.079 --> 00:37:11.656
attendance and we'll close the meeting

00:37:11.680 --> 00:37:14.680
at that point and thanks very much.