WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:02.216 Afternoon everyone and welcome to the 00:00:02.240 --> 00:00:04.775 Upper Lachlan Shire Council monthly meeting of 00:00:04.799 --> 00:00:07.656 20th November 25. 00:00:07.680 --> 00:00:09.655 00:00:09.679 --> 00:00:11.256 in relation to public gallery I'd like 00:00:11.280 --> 00:00:12.615 to welcome the public gallery to the 00:00:12.639 --> 00:00:15.016 ordinary council meeting today. Council 00:00:15.040 --> 00:00:17.095 continues to webcast the council meeting 00:00:17.119 --> 00:00:18.776 to the public where persons may watch 00:00:18.800 --> 00:00:20.376 from the comfort of their home. 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Please 00:01:10.159 --> 00:01:12.056 ensure that if and when you are speaking 00:01:12.080 --> 00:01:13.736 at this council meeting that you are 00:01:13.760 --> 00:01:15.816 respectful to other people and use 00:01:15.840 --> 00:01:18.296 appropriate language 00:01:18.320 --> 00:01:20.775 accepts no liability for any defamatory 00:01:20.799 --> 00:01:22.696 or offensive remarks or gestures made 00:01:22.720 --> 00:01:23.896 during the course of the council 00:01:23.920 --> 00:01:26.296 meeting. 00:01:26.320 --> 00:01:29.320 at today's meeting we do have one 00:01:29.360 --> 00:01:32.135 confidential item and confidential 00:01:32.159 --> 00:01:34.696 report in relation to that please 00:01:34.720 --> 00:01:37.576 note at this November the 20th 25th 00:01:37.600 --> 00:01:39.576 council meeting we have one confidential 00:01:39.600 --> 00:01:42.600 report 19.1 ? negotiations this 00:01:43.119 --> 00:01:44.616 report is considered to be confidential 00:01:44.640 --> 00:01:47.640 in accordance with section 10 A part two 00:01:47.840 --> 00:01:50.840 of the local government act of 93 00:01:50.880 --> 00:01:52.696 is in confidential session for the 00:01:52.720 --> 00:01:55.720 reasons indicated 10 2C of the local 00:01:56.880 --> 00:01:58.695 government act 93 as it relates to 00:01:58.719 --> 00:02:00.775 information they would if disclosed 00:02:00.799 --> 00:02:02.936 confer a commercial advantage on a 00:02:02.960 --> 00:02:04.216 person with whom the council is 00:02:04.240 --> 00:02:06.296 conducting or proposing to conduct 00:02:06.320 --> 00:02:08.056 business. 00:02:08.080 --> 00:02:09.816 At this time the public gallery will be 00:02:09.840 --> 00:02:11.656 closed and council's webcast and audio 00:02:11.680 --> 00:02:13.256 recording will be paused until the 00:02:13.280 --> 00:02:15.896 matters the matter is resolved. Council 00:02:15.920 --> 00:02:17.656 will then return to open session and 00:02:17.680 --> 00:02:19.256 resume the webcast and read the 00:02:19.280 --> 00:02:22.280 resolutions from this close session. Um 00:02:22.800 --> 00:02:24.776 our acknowledgement of country. I'd 00:02:24.800 --> 00:02:27.016 like to acknowledge and pay our respects 00:02:27.040 --> 00:02:30.040 to the Aboriginal Elders past 00:02:30.319 --> 00:02:32.056 both past and present as well as 00:02:32.080 --> 00:02:33.736 emerging leaders and acknowledge the 00:02:33.760 --> 00:02:35.336 traditional custodians of the land on 00:02:35.360 --> 00:02:38.136 which we meet today in terms of 00:02:38.160 --> 00:02:40.616 apologies we have one apology from 00:02:40.640 --> 00:02:43.640 councelor Terry Yallouris 00:02:45.920 --> 00:02:48.776 otherwise we have a full complement of 00:02:48.800 --> 00:02:51.416 counselors I asked for a mover who 00:02:51.440 --> 00:02:53.816 to accept that councilor Searl and seconded by 00:02:53.840 --> 00:02:56.840 councelor Pierce. All those in favor 00:02:57.840 --> 00:03:00.840 a declaration of interest at this 00:03:01.280 --> 00:03:03.575 point in time we have a declaration from 00:03:03.599 --> 00:03:06.599 councelor Searl regarding the 00:03:07.599 --> 00:03:09.336 committee section of the the paper with 00:03:09.360 --> 00:03:12.360 wind farm grants and likewise 00:03:13.360 --> 00:03:16.360 with a a further declaration from 00:03:16.480 --> 00:03:19.480 councelor Cameron in relation to the 00:03:20.239 --> 00:03:22.616 same matter where he's chosen to make 00:03:22.640 --> 00:03:24.855 a declaration stay in the chamber and 00:03:24.879 --> 00:03:26.855 participate in the vote in very minor a 00:03:26.879 --> 00:03:28.935 very minor interest. I'm sorry I should 00:03:28.959 --> 00:03:31.959 have said with councelor Searl that in 00:03:32.159 --> 00:03:34.215 relation to saying that he's elected to 00:03:34.239 --> 00:03:37.239 option B which is make a declaration 00:03:37.840 --> 00:03:39.495 stay in the chamber and participate but 00:03:39.519 --> 00:03:41.256 not vote 00:03:41.280 --> 00:03:44.280 if there's no further declarations 00:03:44.720 --> 00:03:47.495 and we'll move on. 00:03:47.519 --> 00:03:50.519 look, we do have a presentation 00:03:50.560 --> 00:03:53.096 council today from our the audit 00:03:53.120 --> 00:03:55.495 office, but if we might first just deal 00:03:55.519 --> 00:03:56.696 with the minutes and then we'll go 00:03:56.720 --> 00:03:59.336 straight into that. So there is no 00:03:59.360 --> 00:04:02.360 citizenship ceremony today. So if we 00:04:03.760 --> 00:04:05.816 could move to the minutes which have 00:04:05.840 --> 00:04:08.840 been circulated for some time I have 00:04:08.879 --> 00:04:10.696 a mover for acceptance of those moves. 00:04:10.720 --> 00:04:12.935 councelor Pierce and seconded by 00:04:12.959 --> 00:04:15.816 councelor Flanagan 00:04:15.840 --> 00:04:18.215 is there any amendments or discussion 00:04:18.239 --> 00:04:21.239 on those minutes? 00:04:21.280 --> 00:04:22.296 All right. Well, if it's all 00:04:22.320 --> 00:04:25.256 straightforward I'll put the 00:04:25.280 --> 00:04:27.735 motion. All those in favor? 00:04:27.759 --> 00:04:30.759 Thank you. That's approved. 00:04:31.280 --> 00:04:34.280 All right. So, we'll move on to the 00:04:35.840 --> 00:04:37.976 extraordinary 00:04:38.000 --> 00:04:39.576 indeed. 00:04:39.600 --> 00:04:41.336 sorry. We do we did have two 00:04:41.360 --> 00:04:43.656 meetings during the month. We had the 00:04:43.680 --> 00:04:44.936 extraordinary meeting of the 4th of 00:04:44.960 --> 00:04:47.336 November as well so could I ask for 00:04:47.360 --> 00:04:49.816 a mover for that minutes councilor Searl and 00:04:49.840 --> 00:04:51.735 seconded by councelor Flanagan. Is there 00:04:51.759 --> 00:04:53.496 any comments or discussion on those 00:04:53.520 --> 00:04:55.096 minutes? 00:04:55.120 --> 00:04:58.120 No. All those in favor of put motions. 00:04:58.240 --> 00:04:59.656 All right. So that's approved 00:04:59.680 --> 00:05:01.656 unanimously. 00:05:01.680 --> 00:05:03.976 So that tidies that up. Thanks for that. 00:05:04.000 --> 00:05:05.496 Now we'll move on to the presentations 00:05:05.520 --> 00:05:08.296 to council 00:05:08.320 --> 00:05:11.320 which is we have Ricky and Irene 00:05:12.080 --> 00:05:14.455 with us today and if the director 00:05:14.479 --> 00:05:16.696 finance has got any preliminary 00:05:16.720 --> 00:05:19.720 comments and then I'll hand over to 00:05:20.160 --> 00:05:22.216 things there and through the CEO we 00:05:22.240 --> 00:05:24.455 welcome Ricky from the audit office and 00:05:24.479 --> 00:05:27.479 from the EY company who's contract 00:05:28.479 --> 00:05:31.096 auditor. So um I'd welcome them here 00:05:31.120 --> 00:05:33.015 today and I'd like to hear their 00:05:33.039 --> 00:05:34.696 presentation and if there's any 00:05:34.720 --> 00:05:36.776 questions or anything at the end um we 00:05:36.800 --> 00:05:39.015 can have a discussion there. 00:05:39.039 --> 00:05:42.039 Very good. Please go ahead. 00:05:44.000 --> 00:05:45.976 Yeah, thank you so much for having us 00:05:46.000 --> 00:05:49.000 this afternoon. good afternoon mayor, 00:05:49.039 --> 00:05:51.175 deputy mayor, counselors and council 00:05:51.199 --> 00:05:53.576 executives. Um thank you for the 00:05:53.600 --> 00:05:55.576 invitation to present in your council 00:05:55.600 --> 00:05:57.735 meeting this afternoon. I just want to 00:05:57.759 --> 00:05:59.576 check the technology that you can see 00:05:59.600 --> 00:06:02.600 the presentation slides on the screen. 00:06:03.680 --> 00:06:04.136 Thank you. 00:06:04.160 --> 00:06:05.175 Great. 00:06:05.199 --> 00:06:07.816 Yeah. So, um my name is Ricky Jen. I'm 00:06:07.840 --> 00:06:09.496 director of financial audit from the 00:06:09.520 --> 00:06:11.735 office of New South Wales. Here with me 00:06:11.759 --> 00:06:13.895 today is 00:06:13.919 --> 00:06:16.919 from our service provider. 00:06:23.360 --> 00:06:25.735 Um here's the agenda for today's 00:06:25.759 --> 00:06:28.759 presentation. So I'll take you through 00:06:29.199 --> 00:06:32.199 our refresh world program for 25 to 28 00:06:32.800 --> 00:06:35.800 and also focus for local government. 00:06:36.720 --> 00:06:38.536 Then I'll hand over to Irene to talk to 00:06:38.560 --> 00:06:40.376 you about the report on the conduct of 00:06:40.400 --> 00:06:42.216 deal with it and also provide some 00:06:42.240 --> 00:06:43.976 insights on the council's financial 00:06:44.000 --> 00:06:46.056 results cash management and 00:06:46.080 --> 00:06:48.216 infrastructure property plan equipment 00:06:48.240 --> 00:06:50.295 and then we'll conclude with a Q&A 00:06:50.319 --> 00:06:53.319 session. 00:06:53.680 --> 00:06:56.455 The audit general published the most 00:06:56.479 --> 00:06:59.479 recent order program in August 25. The 00:07:00.160 --> 00:07:02.295 program explains how we decide what to 00:07:02.319 --> 00:07:04.936 focus on and what we intend to cover in 00:07:04.960 --> 00:07:06.615 the next three years. 00:07:06.639 --> 00:07:08.536 it is a three-year plan that gets 00:07:08.560 --> 00:07:11.560 updated on an annual basis. 00:07:13.360 --> 00:07:15.575 So here are the key themes for this 00:07:15.599 --> 00:07:17.575 year's online work program. The first 00:07:17.599 --> 00:07:19.895 one is on efficiency and the optimal use 00:07:19.919 --> 00:07:22.776 of public resources. We particularly 00:07:22.800 --> 00:07:25.656 interested in procurement contract and 00:07:25.680 --> 00:07:27.976 project management and also the use of 00:07:28.000 --> 00:07:30.856 consultants and contractors. We aim to 00:07:30.880 --> 00:07:32.936 identify any potential waste of public 00:07:32.960 --> 00:07:34.776 resources. 00:07:34.800 --> 00:07:36.615 We'll continue to focus on grant 00:07:36.639 --> 00:07:39.496 administration exploring the governance 00:07:39.520 --> 00:07:41.976 of the grant funding. 00:07:42.000 --> 00:07:44.295 We also plan to look at several major 00:07:44.319 --> 00:07:46.376 capital projects with the lands 00:07:46.400 --> 00:07:48.856 departments procurement contract 00:07:48.880 --> 00:07:51.735 management and value for money. Another 00:07:51.759 --> 00:07:54.455 focus areas is climate related risk and 00:07:54.479 --> 00:07:55.976 opportunities 00:07:56.000 --> 00:07:58.615 driven by government's commitment to 00:07:58.639 --> 00:08:01.639 achieve maximum 2050. 00:08:01.919 --> 00:08:04.455 Last but not least, we also continue to 00:08:04.479 --> 00:08:07.096 progress our first nations performance 00:08:07.120 --> 00:08:10.120 program which was established in 2022. 00:08:10.479 --> 00:08:13.479 It aims to drive changes in outcome for 00:08:14.560 --> 00:08:17.560 our first nations communities. 00:08:19.120 --> 00:08:22.120 In terms of financial aids specifically, 00:08:23.120 --> 00:08:25.336 the focus areas include financial 00:08:25.360 --> 00:08:28.360 reporting, financial sustainability 00:08:28.400 --> 00:08:30.536 particularly around identifying any 00:08:30.560 --> 00:08:33.255 early warning signs, effectiveness of 00:08:33.279 --> 00:08:35.416 internal controls and also the 00:08:35.440 --> 00:08:38.440 governance frameworks 00:08:39.279 --> 00:08:41.575 in relation to the plan performance 00:08:41.599 --> 00:08:44.599 orders. Um so there are a number of 00:08:44.800 --> 00:08:47.016 audits that we plan to perform 00:08:47.040 --> 00:08:48.856 specifically for local government for 00:08:48.880 --> 00:08:51.416 the next few years. so the first one 00:08:51.440 --> 00:08:54.056 is on long-term financial planning. We 00:08:54.080 --> 00:08:57.080 do plan to conduct a series of audits 00:08:57.440 --> 00:08:59.336 to evaluate effectiveness of the 00:08:59.360 --> 00:09:01.255 long-term financial plans across number 00:09:01.279 --> 00:09:03.656 of councils. We'll be also looking at 00:09:03.680 --> 00:09:05.656 the effectiveness of the audit list and 00:09:05.680 --> 00:09:07.656 improvement committees and also the 00:09:07.680 --> 00:09:09.896 performance management and monitoring 00:09:09.920 --> 00:09:12.920 around the IP and our compliance. 00:09:15.600 --> 00:09:17.656 We also plan to look at a number of 00:09:17.680 --> 00:09:20.456 major capital projects especially 00:09:20.480 --> 00:09:22.136 looking at the effectiveness of council 00:09:22.160 --> 00:09:25.160 in overseeing these projects and also 00:09:25.360 --> 00:09:27.736 around climate risk and adaption and 00:09:27.760 --> 00:09:30.760 waste management. 00:09:32.000 --> 00:09:34.056 So in terms of the local government 00:09:34.080 --> 00:09:37.080 sector report, so this is a report that 00:09:37.120 --> 00:09:40.120 summarizes the outcome of a 00:09:40.480 --> 00:09:42.616 particular year's financial statements 00:09:42.640 --> 00:09:45.640 or outcome. So for this year's 00:09:46.800 --> 00:09:49.800 report is still currently under um sort 00:09:50.800 --> 00:09:52.856 of being drafted at the moment and we 00:09:52.880 --> 00:09:54.696 probably will be releasing it in the 00:09:54.720 --> 00:09:57.720 next few months. 00:09:58.160 --> 00:10:00.536 In terms of the key focus areas for this 00:10:00.560 --> 00:10:03.560 year's audit, the sector report we 00:10:05.040 --> 00:10:07.016 continue to report on the financial 00:10:07.040 --> 00:10:10.040 audit outcome across the sector and also 00:10:10.160 --> 00:10:12.056 continue to focus on the long-term 00:10:12.080 --> 00:10:14.375 financial health and sustainability 00:10:14.399 --> 00:10:16.935 across the sector. we also will be 00:10:16.959 --> 00:10:19.959 looking at IT cyber security and also um 00:10:20.880 --> 00:10:22.856 the governance around the use of 00:10:22.880 --> 00:10:25.880 artificial intelligence. we will be 00:10:26.079 --> 00:10:28.136 looking at a number of major projects 00:10:28.160 --> 00:10:31.160 across the sector um around the 00:10:31.279 --> 00:10:33.016 progress and the impact of those 00:10:33.040 --> 00:10:35.176 projects in local government. and 00:10:35.200 --> 00:10:37.815 also we'll continue to report on the 00:10:37.839 --> 00:10:40.055 common themes across the sector in 00:10:40.079 --> 00:10:41.976 relation to internal controls and 00:10:42.000 --> 00:10:45.000 governance. 00:10:45.279 --> 00:10:48.279 So now I'll hand over to R&D to talk you 00:10:48.320 --> 00:10:50.296 through the report on the conduct of the 00:10:50.320 --> 00:10:53.320 audit um and also the outcome of shears 00:10:53.600 --> 00:10:56.600 audit. 00:11:02.560 --> 00:11:05.416 Good afternoon all we have completed our 00:11:05.440 --> 00:11:07.815 audits of your council's general purpose 00:11:07.839 --> 00:11:10.375 and special purpose financial statements 00:11:10.399 --> 00:11:11.976 and I'm pleased to report to you today 00:11:12.000 --> 00:11:15.000 that we issued clean audit opinions or 00:11:15.200 --> 00:11:17.976 quote sets of those financials for the 00:11:18.000 --> 00:11:21.000 year ended 30 June 2025 which means that 00:11:21.360 --> 00:11:23.576 the financial statements contain 00:11:23.600 --> 00:11:26.600 numerous material statements and they 00:11:26.720 --> 00:11:29.720 present fairly. 00:11:29.920 --> 00:11:32.216 The next slide looks at the council's 00:11:32.240 --> 00:11:34.776 income statement. Rates and annual 00:11:34.800 --> 00:11:37.800 charges revenue increased by 7.4% 00:11:38.959 --> 00:11:41.416 and that was mainly due to the rate page 00:11:41.440 --> 00:11:44.216 increase or 5%. 00:11:44.240 --> 00:11:46.055 Grants and contributions revenue 00:11:46.079 --> 00:11:49.079 decreased by 9.6 6 million and that was 00:11:49.360 --> 00:11:52.360 mainly due to a decrease in regional and 00:11:53.279 --> 00:11:56.279 local road repair program 00:11:56.320 --> 00:11:59.016 um grant funding and a reduction in 00:11:59.040 --> 00:12:01.656 fixing local and country roads funding 00:12:01.680 --> 00:12:04.680 by $3.8 million. Council reported an 00:12:05.519 --> 00:12:08.519 operating result of $1.6 million or the 00:12:09.440 --> 00:12:12.440 2025 year which was $8.2 million lower 00:12:13.440 --> 00:12:16.296 than the year before that. And much of 00:12:16.320 --> 00:12:18.375 that decrease was due to a decrease in 00:12:18.399 --> 00:12:21.336 the grants and contributions revenue and 00:12:21.360 --> 00:12:23.416 increase in materials and service 00:12:23.440 --> 00:12:25.336 expenses. 00:12:25.360 --> 00:12:27.656 Once you deduct capital grants and 00:12:27.680 --> 00:12:30.680 contributions, the net operating result 00:12:30.959 --> 00:12:33.815 before capital bread, the net operating 00:12:33.839 --> 00:12:36.696 result was a defense of 9.4 million 00:12:36.720 --> 00:12:39.720 which compared to 4.5 million in a year 00:12:39.760 --> 00:12:42.760 before that. 00:12:43.360 --> 00:12:46.360 The cash and cash equivalents overview 00:12:47.760 --> 00:12:50.760 look it says that the council had 00:12:50.800 --> 00:12:53.800 total cash and investments of $36.7 00:12:54.399 --> 00:12:57.399 million at June 2025 00:12:57.839 --> 00:13:00.696 which increased from the prior year. 00:13:00.720 --> 00:13:02.615 Externally restricted cash and 00:13:02.639 --> 00:13:05.639 investments decreased slightly while 00:13:05.680 --> 00:13:07.576 internal allocations increased 00:13:07.600 --> 00:13:10.600 marginally from the 24 year. 00:13:12.800 --> 00:13:15.255 This graph shows the sources of 00:13:15.279 --> 00:13:17.896 externally restricted cash, cash 00:13:17.920 --> 00:13:20.375 equivalents and investments. 00:13:20.399 --> 00:13:23.399 In the 25 year, $24.9 million of council 00:13:25.279 --> 00:13:27.736 cash investments were externally 00:13:27.760 --> 00:13:30.760 restricted and this mainly consisted of 00:13:31.120 --> 00:13:33.736 development contributions on water and 00:13:33.760 --> 00:13:36.216 sewer funds. 00:13:36.240 --> 00:13:39.240 At 30 June 2025, council reported a 00:13:40.720 --> 00:13:43.416 positive cash and investment balance 00:13:43.440 --> 00:13:46.440 after external restrictions of 11.9 00:13:46.880 --> 00:13:49.880 million, which was pleasingly an 00:13:49.920 --> 00:13:52.920 increase of $1.9 million from the year 00:13:53.360 --> 00:13:56.360 before that. 00:13:59.040 --> 00:14:02.040 The following slide, this graph shows 00:14:02.959 --> 00:14:05.959 how the council spent how much the 00:14:06.320 --> 00:14:08.776 council spent on renewing its assets in 00:14:08.800 --> 00:14:11.800 the year. Council spent 11, excuse me, 00:14:12.639 --> 00:14:15.576 17.1 million to renew its 00:14:15.600 --> 00:14:17.416 infrastructure, property plant, and 00:14:17.440 --> 00:14:20.440 equipment during the 2025 year. This was 00:14:21.040 --> 00:14:23.016 mainly spent on table lands, way 00:14:23.040 --> 00:14:25.416 upgrade, dualong road bridge 00:14:25.440 --> 00:14:27.576 construction, new visit information 00:14:27.600 --> 00:14:30.375 center construction, road repairs and 00:14:30.399 --> 00:14:33.399 plant and equipment. 00:14:33.440 --> 00:14:35.416 We would really like to thank management 00:14:35.440 --> 00:14:37.416 particularly the finance team for their 00:14:37.440 --> 00:14:39.416 assistance and cooperation during the 00:14:39.440 --> 00:14:42.375 order. Thank you and very happy to take 00:14:42.399 --> 00:14:45.399 any questions from the room. 00:14:46.800 --> 00:14:49.336 Thanks very much for that 00:14:49.360 --> 00:14:52.360 presentation. Um it is pleasing I just 00:14:53.360 --> 00:14:55.815 like to reiterate the comments there by 00:14:55.839 --> 00:14:58.216 to give congratulations to our 00:14:58.240 --> 00:15:01.240 director of finance and and his team. Um 00:15:01.680 --> 00:15:03.656 it's not always straightforward to get a 00:15:03.680 --> 00:15:05.416 qualified report and and we're very 00:15:05.440 --> 00:15:07.255 pleased to not have any major issues 00:15:07.279 --> 00:15:09.255 there. Um is there any questions from 00:15:09.279 --> 00:15:12.279 the floor for you? Councelor Cameron. 00:15:12.959 --> 00:15:15.896 thanks thanks Mr. Mayor. I do have 00:15:15.920 --> 00:15:18.055 one question in relation to the forward 00:15:18.079 --> 00:15:20.935 work program. as Ricky outlined 00:15:20.959 --> 00:15:22.615 before 00:15:22.639 --> 00:15:25.639 the um the question about um the the 00:15:26.880 --> 00:15:28.935 focus in in the audit program of 00:15:28.959 --> 00:15:30.615 financial sustainability for local 00:15:30.639 --> 00:15:32.615 governments. Is that going to take into 00:15:32.639 --> 00:15:35.639 account the New South Wales inquiry into 00:15:37.360 --> 00:15:39.255 financial sustainability of local 00:15:39.279 --> 00:15:41.416 governments and the federal inquiry into 00:15:41.440 --> 00:15:44.296 the same into the same issue? it 00:15:44.320 --> 00:15:47.320 would seem to me that without taking 00:15:48.079 --> 00:15:49.976 what those two inquiries are looking 00:15:50.000 --> 00:15:53.000 into or have looked into um that it 00:15:53.360 --> 00:15:56.360 might risk being um an isolated piece of 00:15:57.519 --> 00:15:59.416 work with isolated outcomes that don't 00:15:59.440 --> 00:16:01.735 take into account what what future 00:16:01.759 --> 00:16:03.735 government decisions might be looking at 00:16:03.759 --> 00:16:05.096 and particularly given that the men's 00:16:05.120 --> 00:16:07.656 government has accepted um most of the 00:16:07.680 --> 00:16:09.815 recommendations from the New South Wales 00:16:09.839 --> 00:16:12.136 inquiry. Um, I hope that that's going to 00:16:12.160 --> 00:16:13.735 take take those sorts of things into 00:16:13.759 --> 00:16:15.896 account. 00:16:15.920 --> 00:16:17.495 Yeah, thank you so much for that 00:16:17.519 --> 00:16:19.016 question. , it's a really good 00:16:19.040 --> 00:16:21.815 question. , definitely take your um 00:16:21.839 --> 00:16:24.375 feedback on board. I'll bring it back to 00:16:24.399 --> 00:16:27.399 our audit teams um so they they can 00:16:27.759 --> 00:16:29.815 sort of consider that when they 00:16:29.839 --> 00:16:32.839 decide the scope of those orders. 00:16:33.040 --> 00:16:35.175 All right. Thank you. 00:16:35.199 --> 00:16:38.136 Um, I guess I'll just make one 00:16:38.160 --> 00:16:40.055 general question to to either of the 00:16:40.079 --> 00:16:41.815 ladies which might be difficult, but I 00:16:41.839 --> 00:16:43.416 just thought I'd um put it forward on 00:16:43.440 --> 00:16:44.856 behalf of myself and maybe the council 00:16:44.880 --> 00:16:47.255 and that is in some previous audits 00:16:47.279 --> 00:16:50.279 we've had um I don't know if Chris is 00:16:50.320 --> 00:16:51.495 the right word, but it's certainly been 00:16:51.519 --> 00:16:54.136 highlighted that some of our statistics 00:16:54.160 --> 00:16:55.815 have been um not as strong as they 00:16:55.839 --> 00:16:58.456 should be. I refer specifically to 00:16:58.480 --> 00:17:01.480 unrestricted cash and also um our level 00:17:02.320 --> 00:17:04.216 of debt is another thing that that was 00:17:04.240 --> 00:17:05.895 pointed out at different times. Have you 00:17:05.919 --> 00:17:08.295 got any guidance for us just with your 00:17:08.319 --> 00:17:10.295 experience with other councils relative 00:17:10.319 --> 00:17:12.935 to ours as to things that you feel where 00:17:12.959 --> 00:17:15.256 we're not quite in line with the norm or 00:17:15.280 --> 00:17:18.280 or areas that we can perhaps focus on? 00:17:19.280 --> 00:17:22.280 Yeah, thanks for that question. Um so in 00:17:22.480 --> 00:17:25.175 our local government sector report we do 00:17:25.199 --> 00:17:28.136 sort of summarize the outcome of all 00:17:28.160 --> 00:17:31.160 of the councils in the the state and the 00:17:31.679 --> 00:17:34.535 you know it talks about um financial 00:17:34.559 --> 00:17:37.256 result but also touch on sustainability 00:17:37.280 --> 00:17:39.976 and also restricted cash or you know 00:17:40.000 --> 00:17:43.000 liquidity positions. Um so that probably 00:17:43.440 --> 00:17:45.736 will give you a more broader view in 00:17:45.760 --> 00:17:48.616 terms of um how you compare with the 00:17:48.640 --> 00:17:51.640 rest of the state. Um so I would say 00:17:52.320 --> 00:17:54.696 always stay tuned when that report 00:17:54.720 --> 00:17:56.775 comes out I'll definitely send you a 00:17:56.799 --> 00:17:58.535 link to that report so that you can have 00:17:58.559 --> 00:18:00.456 a look at it. 00:18:00.480 --> 00:18:01.816 All right. No, thank you. That would be 00:18:01.840 --> 00:18:04.775 most helpful. Um have we got any other 00:18:04.799 --> 00:18:07.799 question from council report? All right. 00:18:08.480 --> 00:18:11.256 Well, thank you very much um Ricky Ricky 00:18:11.280 --> 00:18:14.280 and Irene for the presentation and we'll 00:18:14.320 --> 00:18:15.416 adopt the 00:18:15.440 --> 00:18:17.496 Thank you for having us. 00:18:17.520 --> 00:18:20.216 Very good. Thanks very much. Thank you. 00:18:20.240 --> 00:18:21.576 Thank you all. Byebye. 00:18:21.600 --> 00:18:24.600 Bye. 00:18:29.360 --> 00:18:31.336 All right. Well, um yeah, we'll come 00:18:31.360 --> 00:18:32.856 back to the adoption of functional 00:18:32.880 --> 00:18:35.015 statements later in the in the meeting. 00:18:35.039 --> 00:18:38.039 Um I'll move on next to the meal minute 00:18:38.160 --> 00:18:40.696 which is um in the business papers on 00:18:40.720 --> 00:18:43.720 page 37. Um there has been quite a bit 00:18:43.760 --> 00:18:46.760 of time. There seems to be a lot of a 00:18:46.880 --> 00:18:48.616 lot of meetings coming up at this time 00:18:48.640 --> 00:18:50.456 of year. 00:18:50.480 --> 00:18:52.616 So I've listed them there and I've got a 00:18:52.640 --> 00:18:55.416 couple of things to highlight and also 00:18:55.440 --> 00:18:58.376 happy to take questions. But um some of 00:18:58.400 --> 00:18:59.895 the things I just wanted to mention was 00:18:59.919 --> 00:19:02.919 I guess the most recent meetings. Last 00:19:03.039 --> 00:19:05.976 week we CEO and myself were a country 00:19:06.000 --> 00:19:09.000 may um there was actually some quite 00:19:10.160 --> 00:19:13.160 good content there um that was very 00:19:13.200 --> 00:19:16.200 useful for ourselves to bring back. Um 00:19:18.480 --> 00:19:21.480 there's one matter in relation to um 00:19:21.840 --> 00:19:24.056 the local planning panels which I'll um 00:19:24.080 --> 00:19:26.775 I'll return to but um that was a quite 00:19:26.799 --> 00:19:29.799 confident a a controversial item that 00:19:30.080 --> 00:19:33.080 had recently been um released um and I 00:19:34.320 --> 00:19:37.320 guess it crept under the guard of of um 00:19:38.160 --> 00:19:41.160 messes and and also some of their bodies 00:19:41.520 --> 00:19:43.496 that you know we believe should have 00:19:43.520 --> 00:19:45.576 been consolided. 00:19:45.600 --> 00:19:46.616 There was a there was quite a bit of 00:19:46.640 --> 00:19:48.136 discord about that and there has been 00:19:48.160 --> 00:19:49.816 since but look I'll return to that 00:19:49.840 --> 00:19:52.216 matter. I also just want to mention that 00:19:52.240 --> 00:19:55.096 um we did have a presentation from Chris 00:19:55.120 --> 00:19:57.576 Mins and Premier Chris Mins and he 00:19:57.600 --> 00:20:00.600 was um his usual Polish self but 00:20:02.480 --> 00:20:04.696 he he did say some encouraging things. 00:20:04.720 --> 00:20:07.720 Um it was referred to before about the 00:20:07.919 --> 00:20:09.496 sustainability of local government and 00:20:09.520 --> 00:20:12.520 the the he also has a he expressed a 00:20:12.960 --> 00:20:15.960 specific um 00:20:16.080 --> 00:20:19.080 praise on country may by just saying 00:20:19.520 --> 00:20:20.936 that they were very frank in their 00:20:20.960 --> 00:20:22.216 feedback and they were very helpful 00:20:22.240 --> 00:20:24.296 telling for for gauging issues in the 00:20:24.320 --> 00:20:25.736 community whether they be law and order 00:20:25.760 --> 00:20:28.456 or cost of living or anything else. Um 00:20:28.480 --> 00:20:30.216 so you know that was pleasing. I do get 00:20:30.240 --> 00:20:33.240 the impression that he's he values 00:20:33.280 --> 00:20:34.936 regional New South Wales which is which 00:20:34.960 --> 00:20:37.960 is nice. Um and and he did talk about 00:20:38.400 --> 00:20:40.376 measures. He talked about the challenges 00:20:40.400 --> 00:20:42.616 that they um they have currently in 00:20:42.640 --> 00:20:45.416 state government but but he also 00:20:45.440 --> 00:20:48.296 mentioned the importance of um he 00:20:48.320 --> 00:20:51.320 acknowledged the the intention our 00:20:51.520 --> 00:20:53.576 lobbying for financial assistance grants 00:20:53.600 --> 00:20:56.216 to be lifted and you know he 00:20:56.240 --> 00:20:57.895 supported that. Obviously that's at a 00:20:57.919 --> 00:21:00.376 federal level. Um I'll just also mention 00:21:00.400 --> 00:21:02.696 that Gerish Singh actually presented to 00:21:02.720 --> 00:21:05.720 us as well um who is the member for 00:21:07.039 --> 00:21:10.039 Coff Harour and he's always been a 00:21:10.320 --> 00:21:13.320 very um very available and and willing 00:21:14.159 --> 00:21:16.056 to hear our views and certainly to 00:21:16.080 --> 00:21:19.080 engage with country may since taken on 00:21:19.360 --> 00:21:21.895 the leadership of um New South Wales CS 00:21:21.919 --> 00:21:24.296 New South Wales National Spirit Pub 00:21:24.320 --> 00:21:26.775 since last week. So, um it's good to 00:21:26.799 --> 00:21:29.496 have his ear. 00:21:29.520 --> 00:21:32.520 Um 00:21:32.799 --> 00:21:35.799 I would also just mention that um 00:21:36.720 --> 00:21:39.720 we had a um a meeting with AL on the 00:21:40.559 --> 00:21:42.696 17th of November. That was early this 00:21:42.720 --> 00:21:45.720 week. Um, I've got a couple of notes on 00:21:46.080 --> 00:21:48.616 that because I know the public um would 00:21:48.640 --> 00:21:51.416 would like to be would like to be across 00:21:51.440 --> 00:21:53.496 you know what that was about and 00:21:53.520 --> 00:21:55.176 councelor S and councelor Piercece I'll 00:21:55.200 --> 00:21:57.256 say there I'll I'll just make a couple 00:21:57.280 --> 00:21:59.176 of comments and I'll let them contribute 00:21:59.200 --> 00:22:02.200 anything that they wish to add. Um yeah 00:22:02.480 --> 00:22:03.816 what that meeting was about that's the 00:22:03.840 --> 00:22:05.655 second meeting we had with AL. They have 00:22:05.679 --> 00:22:08.616 a a block of land in the Dortmund 00:22:08.640 --> 00:22:11.640 precinct um that 00:22:11.919 --> 00:22:13.736 quite a large block of land 500 hectares 00:22:13.760 --> 00:22:16.696 that I've had for some time. Um they had 00:22:16.720 --> 00:22:19.256 looked at um having a gas powered fire 00:22:19.280 --> 00:22:21.336 station there some years ago and it 00:22:21.360 --> 00:22:23.895 wasn't really supported at all by the 00:22:23.919 --> 00:22:26.919 community um or the various bodies of 00:22:27.919 --> 00:22:30.919 government including ourselves. um 00:22:31.280 --> 00:22:34.135 they're sort of returning to that now 00:22:34.159 --> 00:22:36.135 because they have um what they've stated 00:22:36.159 --> 00:22:37.976 is they've got a target as a as a 00:22:38.000 --> 00:22:40.696 company of of generating an extra 12 gaw 00:22:40.720 --> 00:22:43.720 um of resources by 2035. 00:22:44.240 --> 00:22:46.696 Um and the Dorton 00:22:46.720 --> 00:22:49.655 project is part of the pipeline that 00:22:49.679 --> 00:22:52.679 they have um that could be um could 00:22:54.480 --> 00:22:57.256 be activated if it was approved um to to 00:22:57.280 --> 00:22:59.336 help them achieve that goal. They did 00:22:59.360 --> 00:23:01.176 stress as they did before that it is 00:23:01.200 --> 00:23:03.736 only something they're exploring all 00:23:03.760 --> 00:23:05.496 the projects that they have around the 00:23:05.520 --> 00:23:08.456 country in order to select um which 00:23:08.480 --> 00:23:10.775 ones they want to pursue and this is in 00:23:10.799 --> 00:23:13.799 a very long-term sense but um there's 00:23:13.840 --> 00:23:16.840 little doubt that the Dorton the reason 00:23:17.360 --> 00:23:19.736 Dorton area is particularly attracted to 00:23:19.760 --> 00:23:22.760 them is it is close to the Hume link 00:23:23.039 --> 00:23:25.976 transmission line and also the Monga 00:23:26.000 --> 00:23:29.000 gas pipeline but I guess The main things 00:23:29.200 --> 00:23:31.256 I'd say is that they wanted to emphasize 00:23:31.280 --> 00:23:34.280 that if if it did get if they did decide 00:23:34.480 --> 00:23:36.056 to 00:23:36.080 --> 00:23:39.080 um look at consent there again, it would 00:23:40.000 --> 00:23:41.416 be considerably different from a 00:23:41.440 --> 00:23:43.576 technical point of view. U the the 00:23:43.600 --> 00:23:46.600 previous um proposal had six stacks for 00:23:48.080 --> 00:23:51.080 emissions. This one would have only two 00:23:51.200 --> 00:23:53.416 and they're approximately half the size 00:23:53.440 --> 00:23:56.440 that they had they were at that time 00:23:56.559 --> 00:23:58.535 which was 40 m high down to 00:23:58.559 --> 00:24:01.096 approximately 20 m. Um and the other 00:24:01.120 --> 00:24:04.120 thing is they've now got a technology 00:24:04.320 --> 00:24:06.135 look I'm not a very engineering person 00:24:06.159 --> 00:24:08.535 but it's described as a reciprocal 00:24:08.559 --> 00:24:11.559 screw technology caring might be there 00:24:12.080 --> 00:24:14.056 but my understanding is that the 00:24:14.080 --> 00:24:16.296 conventional technologies was more 00:24:16.320 --> 00:24:19.176 piston type like as in a car and very 00:24:19.200 --> 00:24:22.200 noisy and this new technology um is 00:24:22.960 --> 00:24:25.015 designed to be more friendly from a 00:24:25.039 --> 00:24:26.775 noise perspective. So I guess all I'd 00:24:26.799 --> 00:24:29.416 say is technology has come a long way 00:24:29.440 --> 00:24:32.440 and it possibly wouldn't be as intrusive 00:24:32.559 --> 00:24:34.856 as the previous iteration but look 00:24:34.880 --> 00:24:37.015 that's all to be considered if and when 00:24:37.039 --> 00:24:39.255 that comes forward. 00:24:39.279 --> 00:24:40.856 Um 00:24:40.880 --> 00:24:43.176 basically AL at this stage as I say we 00:24:43.200 --> 00:24:44.376 did have one meeting with them I think 00:24:44.400 --> 00:24:46.456 it was about 2 months ago. They really 00:24:46.480 --> 00:24:48.456 just keeping us informed. They have met 00:24:48.480 --> 00:24:51.480 with um some local stakeholders and 00:24:52.559 --> 00:24:54.775 and community members and they basically 00:24:54.799 --> 00:24:57.736 advised us that they intend to broaden 00:24:57.760 --> 00:25:00.760 their consultation with um the community 00:25:01.919 --> 00:25:04.919 to to continue to decide whether they 00:25:05.039 --> 00:25:07.015 want to take this forward. Um we'll be 00:25:07.039 --> 00:25:09.336 talking, you know, between a 2 and 5 00:25:09.360 --> 00:25:10.775 year time frame. So it's not something 00:25:10.799 --> 00:25:12.775 that's going to happen tomorrow. Um but 00:25:12.799 --> 00:25:14.696 look, I know there's plenty of anxiety 00:25:14.720 --> 00:25:16.376 here there from people who live in the 00:25:16.400 --> 00:25:18.616 area. So look, we'll keep you ab breast 00:25:18.640 --> 00:25:21.496 as best we can as as we become aware 00:25:21.520 --> 00:25:23.416 of things and um I know there's a 00:25:23.440 --> 00:25:25.976 newsletter that's about to be circulated 00:25:26.000 --> 00:25:27.736 um which and there'll be publicly 00:25:27.760 --> 00:25:30.456 available information through IGL. Um 00:25:30.480 --> 00:25:32.456 did council or councelor P wish to issue 00:25:32.480 --> 00:25:33.015 any comments? 00:25:33.039 --> 00:25:35.176 Mr. Mayor, thank you very much. 00:25:35.200 --> 00:25:37.816 certainly was interesting to me and I've 00:25:37.840 --> 00:25:39.895 been around long enough to have had 00:25:39.919 --> 00:25:42.919 associations with the project some 12 00:25:43.039 --> 00:25:45.416 years ago when council was this 00:25:45.440 --> 00:25:47.816 opposition which was supported by the 00:25:47.840 --> 00:25:50.775 then member for Goldman and the then 00:25:50.799 --> 00:25:53.736 member for Hume 00:25:53.760 --> 00:25:56.456 what I have said to AL in the meeting we 00:25:56.480 --> 00:25:59.336 had that it's very important that they 00:25:59.360 --> 00:26:01.816 are up front with the community and I 00:26:01.840 --> 00:26:03.655 appreciate they have their own strategy 00:26:03.679 --> 00:26:05.976 of wanting to talk to nearby 00:26:06.000 --> 00:26:09.000 neighbors first of all but um living in 00:26:09.679 --> 00:26:11.816 a community where there's a high level 00:26:11.840 --> 00:26:14.840 of anxiety and anger about this I 00:26:15.120 --> 00:26:16.376 have suggested that it will be 00:26:16.400 --> 00:26:18.216 advantageous for them and for the 00:26:18.240 --> 00:26:21.240 community to have a meeting with the 00:26:21.360 --> 00:26:24.360 community earlier on so that 00:26:24.720 --> 00:26:26.775 if there are any truths to be told they 00:26:26.799 --> 00:26:28.775 can be told then because in the absence 00:26:28.799 --> 00:26:31.736 of information misinformation and 00:26:31.760 --> 00:26:34.760 speculation will thrive and it certainly 00:26:35.039 --> 00:26:38.039 is at the moment. Um I think the job of 00:26:38.480 --> 00:26:41.255 counselors is to represent some of those 00:26:41.279 --> 00:26:44.279 issues to developers and both myself 00:26:44.799 --> 00:26:47.799 and councelor Piercece were authorized 00:26:49.039 --> 00:26:51.015 explaining the situation in a very 00:26:51.039 --> 00:26:53.895 polite way but there is a high level of 00:26:53.919 --> 00:26:56.775 anxieties there and I don't think that 00:26:56.799 --> 00:26:59.255 we can escape it until we can get that 00:26:59.279 --> 00:27:01.576 information out there and there are 00:27:01.600 --> 00:27:03.655 amenities within the town of Delton for 00:27:03.679 --> 00:27:06.135 having such meetings and I think 00:27:06.159 --> 00:27:09.159 there'll be advantageous for that to be 00:27:09.840 --> 00:27:11.976 supported and progressed as soon as 00:27:12.000 --> 00:27:13.736 possible because in the absence of 00:27:13.760 --> 00:27:16.376 information this information will 00:27:16.400 --> 00:27:19.400 flourish. Now my in the meeting Tony 00:27:20.880 --> 00:27:23.880 D was the who's the community community 00:27:24.559 --> 00:27:27.559 relations manager managed to have a 00:27:28.080 --> 00:27:31.080 quick talk to a gathering of people 00:27:31.200 --> 00:27:34.056 who had because they concerned about 00:27:34.080 --> 00:27:37.080 it turned up at the site and so it was 00:27:37.760 --> 00:27:40.760 good that she didn't avoid them but 00:27:41.279 --> 00:27:44.279 to the option she u sweetened with 00:27:44.799 --> 00:27:47.799 not because I was aware of what she 00:27:48.880 --> 00:27:50.856 She's got a job to do. She's got a job 00:27:50.880 --> 00:27:53.880 to do. Thanks very much council 00:27:57.760 --> 00:27:59.576 again 00:27:59.600 --> 00:28:02.600 on my part because I was not aware of 00:28:03.120 --> 00:28:05.015 the level of the community feeling for 00:28:05.039 --> 00:28:08.039 the um proposal and I didn't expect 00:28:09.440 --> 00:28:12.440 to um a resident and was left in 00:28:14.159 --> 00:28:17.159 absolutely no doubt as to what level of 00:28:17.840 --> 00:28:20.616 feeling there was um out there towards 00:28:20.640 --> 00:28:22.856 it which led to the people turning up on 00:28:22.880 --> 00:28:25.655 the day. Um 00:28:25.679 --> 00:28:27.655 the 00:28:27.679 --> 00:28:30.679 as I said to the people outside who 00:28:31.279 --> 00:28:33.736 who takes time to come here that at this 00:28:33.760 --> 00:28:36.760 stage we we had to take a their word. 00:28:37.200 --> 00:28:39.096 They were up front. They said that the 00:28:39.120 --> 00:28:42.056 previous um iteration of this had been 00:28:42.080 --> 00:28:45.080 handed well on their part. They were 00:28:45.200 --> 00:28:47.655 seeking to they realized that they were 00:28:47.679 --> 00:28:50.679 coming back from the base. They came to 00:28:50.960 --> 00:28:53.015 in consultation. 00:28:53.039 --> 00:28:56.039 but as John said 00:28:58.320 --> 00:29:01.320 also suggested to a open public form was 00:29:03.679 --> 00:29:06.679 a lot better than individual talking to 00:29:08.159 --> 00:29:11.159 because that just leads to suspicion 00:29:11.919 --> 00:29:14.919 um and and distrust and coming from a 00:29:15.279 --> 00:29:17.736 low base. They they need to address 00:29:17.760 --> 00:29:20.696 that. and open public forum is the 00:29:20.720 --> 00:29:23.416 best one. Um, as I said for the people 00:29:23.440 --> 00:29:25.976 outside, it's got to take word. There's 00:29:26.000 --> 00:29:29.000 nothing on on paper yet. , it's a long 00:29:29.919 --> 00:29:32.919 term project. They're saying 2 to 5 00:29:33.360 --> 00:29:36.360 years consultation time frame. Um, I 00:29:37.120 --> 00:29:40.120 can't see them breaking ground in 00:29:40.880 --> 00:29:43.176 anything. 00:29:43.200 --> 00:29:45.096 Um, and who knows what's going to happen 00:29:45.120 --> 00:29:48.120 in that time. Um, but yeah, it's 00:29:48.480 --> 00:29:51.480 unfortunately for it's very well located 00:29:52.159 --> 00:29:55.159 next to the Q. It's next to the gas 00:29:55.279 --> 00:29:58.279 pipeline. Um concerns were raised in 00:29:59.120 --> 00:30:02.120 regards to water again that's 00:30:03.760 --> 00:30:05.576 unrealized 00:30:05.600 --> 00:30:08.600 proposal. Um 00:30:11.919 --> 00:30:14.216 yes 00:30:14.240 --> 00:30:16.856 completely 00:30:16.880 --> 00:30:19.816 is one of the capital of the of the 00:30:19.840 --> 00:30:22.840 world. Yes. miss that. Um that's 00:30:26.480 --> 00:30:28.375 should 00:30:28.399 --> 00:30:31.399 um talk about 40 to 50 life span 00:30:33.520 --> 00:30:36.520 within having smoke stack or smoke. So 00:30:37.039 --> 00:30:40.039 that's a 00:30:40.159 --> 00:30:43.159 stacks that may 00:30:43.840 --> 00:30:46.535 provide pollution is a big concern cuz 00:30:46.559 --> 00:30:49.559 we've got the car incinerator which is 00:30:50.799 --> 00:30:53.799 so far as well. Um and that these are 00:30:55.279 --> 00:30:58.279 the very big community concerns that 00:30:59.120 --> 00:31:02.120 they're going to have to address. Um and 00:31:04.320 --> 00:31:06.535 you know she did go out she did talk to 00:31:06.559 --> 00:31:09.559 people and I think 00:31:09.919 --> 00:31:12.696 they need to do community consultation 00:31:12.720 --> 00:31:15.416 on what 00:31:15.440 --> 00:31:18.440 we just have to see. 00:31:18.640 --> 00:31:21.576 Thank you. Um so look just returning to 00:31:21.600 --> 00:31:23.496 a couple just one or two more items on 00:31:23.520 --> 00:31:25.816 the 11th of November and also remebrance 00:31:25.840 --> 00:31:28.840 day services around the show and um a 00:31:29.120 --> 00:31:31.736 number of counselors um attended those 00:31:31.760 --> 00:31:34.760 and as usual they were very solemn 00:31:36.480 --> 00:31:39.416 and memorable events and it was really 00:31:39.440 --> 00:31:41.176 pleasing I was at the crook one. It was 00:31:41.200 --> 00:31:43.176 very pleasing to have the involvement of 00:31:43.200 --> 00:31:46.200 football high school again to go on the 00:31:47.200 --> 00:31:50.200 reading of the honor roll. Um and um I 00:31:50.880 --> 00:31:53.495 thank the organizers for that those 00:31:53.519 --> 00:31:56.296 events around the show. Um on the same 00:31:56.320 --> 00:31:59.320 day um I actually had a further 00:32:00.320 --> 00:32:02.856 meeting with transcript who are the 00:32:02.880 --> 00:32:05.255 the operators of um were responsible for 00:32:05.279 --> 00:32:08.216 [ __ ] the project referred to earlier. Um 00:32:08.240 --> 00:32:09.976 it was very pleasing that Brett Brandon, 00:32:10.000 --> 00:32:13.000 who's the CEO of Transg Group, took the 00:32:13.120 --> 00:32:15.495 time to physically attend and meet with 00:32:15.519 --> 00:32:18.519 us for as long as as we wished. Um I I 00:32:19.600 --> 00:32:21.495 thought it was extremely positive. Um 00:32:21.519 --> 00:32:23.576 all the may 00:32:23.600 --> 00:32:25.176 four of the five affected may from our 00:32:25.200 --> 00:32:27.176 region were there um and made it very 00:32:27.200 --> 00:32:29.495 clear on our position on it and we were 00:32:29.519 --> 00:32:32.519 very much supported by some MPs and also 00:32:32.799 --> 00:32:35.799 Sharon of the CJR and look Brett was um 00:32:38.080 --> 00:32:40.375 couldn't be more helpful and like in 00:32:40.399 --> 00:32:43.096 terms of his company's involvement 00:32:43.120 --> 00:32:45.576 essentially they operate under approved 00:32:45.600 --> 00:32:48.600 budget and um he he sort of felt that 00:32:50.240 --> 00:32:52.296 more and more of this type of community 00:32:52.320 --> 00:32:55.320 payments were required and um he he 00:32:55.360 --> 00:32:57.176 basically said he give us letter support 00:32:57.200 --> 00:33:00.056 and and and recommend that what we're 00:33:00.080 --> 00:33:02.535 proposing which is now a greater return 00:33:02.559 --> 00:33:04.936 for councils in the region um that would 00:33:04.960 --> 00:33:07.015 be put forward the next step in that 00:33:07.039 --> 00:33:09.655 process is that the actual energy 00:33:09.679 --> 00:33:11.336 regulator 00:33:11.360 --> 00:33:13.495 Australian energy regulator we're 00:33:13.519 --> 00:33:15.895 meeting remotely because the the 00:33:15.919 --> 00:33:17.576 chairman's actually in Adelaide but 00:33:17.600 --> 00:33:20.600 we're having a a remote meeting on the 00:33:21.039 --> 00:33:24.039 2nd of December. Um, and my 00:33:24.880 --> 00:33:27.880 understanding is they have already 00:33:28.720 --> 00:33:30.216 they've had a lot of people bring this 00:33:30.240 --> 00:33:31.976 to them already and they're already 00:33:32.000 --> 00:33:35.000 looking at the ways that it possibly 00:33:35.039 --> 00:33:36.696 could be accommodated which which is 00:33:36.720 --> 00:33:38.775 really positive and all I can say is 00:33:38.799 --> 00:33:40.936 we'll um we'll continue to pursue the 00:33:40.960 --> 00:33:43.736 host. This will be a longterm thing. 00:33:43.760 --> 00:33:45.895 It's not going to happen tomorrow, but I 00:33:45.919 --> 00:33:48.296 have to say um we're on a bit of a roll 00:33:48.320 --> 00:33:50.375 at the moment and I'm I'm really feeling 00:33:50.399 --> 00:33:52.375 that um we are getting a very fair 00:33:52.399 --> 00:33:54.616 hearing and that we will get a a good 00:33:54.640 --> 00:33:56.936 outcome for the show up. 00:33:56.960 --> 00:33:58.856 Um I'll also just mention that we've got 00:33:58.880 --> 00:34:01.655 the New South Wales local government 00:34:01.679 --> 00:34:04.056 annual conference commencing on 00:34:04.080 --> 00:34:07.015 Sunday and myself and the CE attending 00:34:07.039 --> 00:34:10.039 that seeing what's prepared and um yeah 00:34:11.280 --> 00:34:13.095 learning from other council's experience 00:34:13.119 --> 00:34:15.736 and contributing. Um I also just 00:34:15.760 --> 00:34:17.335 mentioned I was a bit late for these 00:34:17.359 --> 00:34:20.359 papers but I did also attend um the 00:34:20.480 --> 00:34:23.335 monthly rosary meeting um this week as 00:34:23.359 --> 00:34:25.496 well and that was really good. I'll just 00:34:25.520 --> 00:34:28.520 go a short presentation and in the me 00:34:29.119 --> 00:34:32.055 very eager to question me and 00:34:32.079 --> 00:34:33.815 understand where we're up to in the 00:34:33.839 --> 00:34:36.839 shot. Um, look, the final point I wanted 00:34:37.359 --> 00:34:40.359 to turn to was I alluded earlier to the 00:34:41.440 --> 00:34:43.256 um, 00:34:43.280 --> 00:34:45.176 , very recent change that's happening 00:34:45.200 --> 00:34:47.016 where there's been a bill introduced in 00:34:47.040 --> 00:34:49.176 the state parliament called the planning 00:34:49.200 --> 00:34:51.256 reform bill of New South Wales and it it 00:34:51.280 --> 00:34:53.016 has slipped under a lot of people's 00:34:53.040 --> 00:34:56.040 radars. Um, and there's some aspects to 00:34:56.639 --> 00:34:59.496 it that have already created quite um, 00:34:59.520 --> 00:35:02.376 quite a lot of comment um, in the short 00:35:02.400 --> 00:35:05.400 time that it's um, table and 00:35:06.640 --> 00:35:09.640 I'm hoping it is something that um 00:35:10.560 --> 00:35:12.296 you know was fully considered and and 00:35:12.320 --> 00:35:15.320 might possibly change but um our 00:35:16.480 --> 00:35:19.480 councelor sorry mayor mayor Dylan of 00:35:19.520 --> 00:35:21.095 Golden Worries has been particularly 00:35:21.119 --> 00:35:24.055 vocal in her criticism of it and has got 00:35:24.079 --> 00:35:27.079 a lot of mayors already to um putting 00:35:28.000 --> 00:35:30.936 petitions and submissions to Minister 00:35:30.960 --> 00:35:33.960 Scully of the Mun Planning Um and also 00:35:34.800 --> 00:35:36.776 New South Wales local government and the 00:35:36.800 --> 00:35:38.776 men's association are are well and truly 00:35:38.800 --> 00:35:40.856 on top of this. But look, I'll just put 00:35:40.880 --> 00:35:43.880 my motion up. Um by way of background, 00:35:44.079 --> 00:35:45.896 the the things that are particular 00:35:45.920 --> 00:35:48.055 concern 00:35:48.079 --> 00:35:50.055 Mr. Mayor, we need to deal with this 00:35:50.079 --> 00:35:52.936 part first before the 00:35:52.960 --> 00:35:54.136 receiving report. 00:35:54.160 --> 00:35:56.776 Yes. 00:35:56.800 --> 00:35:58.055 Supportation. 00:35:58.079 --> 00:35:59.496 All right. 00:35:59.520 --> 00:36:01.575 All right. No problem. So first of all I 00:36:01.599 --> 00:36:04.456 just like to move acceptance of the 00:36:04.480 --> 00:36:06.296 second 00:36:06.320 --> 00:36:08.136 council rounds 00:36:08.160 --> 00:36:11.160 and always in favor 00:36:12.160 --> 00:36:15.160 now following on from that I'd like 00:36:15.760 --> 00:36:18.760 forward which I was just alluding to. Um 00:36:20.079 --> 00:36:23.079 just in summary the the main issues 00:36:23.200 --> 00:36:25.256 there was a there was more concerns 00:36:25.280 --> 00:36:28.280 raised by um 00:36:29.520 --> 00:36:31.976 of golden but the the things that are 00:36:32.000 --> 00:36:34.536 critical to me are that the local 00:36:34.560 --> 00:36:37.496 planning panel when it when a consent 00:36:37.520 --> 00:36:39.896 is referred to the local planning panel 00:36:39.920 --> 00:36:41.976 historically there's been a local 00:36:42.000 --> 00:36:43.976 government 00:36:44.000 --> 00:36:46.536 counselor at least one representing the 00:36:46.560 --> 00:36:48.696 local area on such matters and there's 00:36:48.720 --> 00:36:50.936 There's also been local members of 00:36:50.960 --> 00:36:53.960 the public who have been um 00:36:54.320 --> 00:36:56.856 have nominated to be involved in the pan 00:36:56.880 --> 00:36:59.880 panel. So the changes now are that um 00:37:00.880 --> 00:37:03.815 and this has come under the guise of um 00:37:03.839 --> 00:37:06.696 apparently attempts to reduce 00:37:06.720 --> 00:37:09.496 the possibility of corruption 00:37:09.520 --> 00:37:11.896 that local government councils are no 00:37:11.920 --> 00:37:14.920 longer able to participate at all. Um 00:37:15.599 --> 00:37:18.136 and the selection of local members of 00:37:18.160 --> 00:37:19.976 the public on the panel is going to be 00:37:20.000 --> 00:37:22.536 done totally through New South Wales 00:37:22.560 --> 00:37:24.376 planning in Sydney and we'll have that 00:37:24.400 --> 00:37:27.400 input in. So to me that's just and I 00:37:28.000 --> 00:37:29.416 think to most people that is sort of 00:37:29.440 --> 00:37:32.440 blindingly obviously um very strange 00:37:33.119 --> 00:37:35.496 when when you know when it affects any 00:37:35.520 --> 00:37:38.216 particular local community 00:37:38.240 --> 00:37:41.240 involves the local representatives 00:37:41.760 --> 00:37:44.616 of the of the area. So that is the 00:37:44.640 --> 00:37:47.496 biggest issue. Um and as I say there's 00:37:47.520 --> 00:37:48.856 already been quite a bit of lobbying. 00:37:48.880 --> 00:37:50.696 The final point I've made which is just 00:37:50.720 --> 00:37:53.720 to you know to say that look if you're 00:37:54.079 --> 00:37:57.079 really serious about tackling corruption 00:37:57.200 --> 00:37:58.856 it would be much better served if it was 00:37:58.880 --> 00:38:01.880 targeted and through the ICA rather than 00:38:02.800 --> 00:38:05.800 making this sort of um you know I 00:38:05.839 --> 00:38:08.055 described as misguided 00:38:08.079 --> 00:38:11.079 um restrictions on our participation in 00:38:12.000 --> 00:38:15.000 local planning. Um so look I'll move 00:38:15.520 --> 00:38:17.736 that motion. Have we got a second there? 00:38:17.760 --> 00:38:20.376 , Council Flanagan and does anyone 00:38:20.400 --> 00:38:22.456 wish to speak against the motion or her 00:38:22.480 --> 00:38:25.480 comments? Yeah, council. 00:38:25.839 --> 00:38:28.536 , a question. I fully support the 00:38:28.560 --> 00:38:31.335 intent of this. I'm just in fact, if I 00:38:31.359 --> 00:38:33.176 was able to express stronger language, I 00:38:33.200 --> 00:38:34.616 fully support the intent of this motion. 00:38:34.640 --> 00:38:35.736 I would use it, 00:38:35.760 --> 00:38:38.055 but I do have the words. So, I just say 00:38:38.079 --> 00:38:40.936 that I do support this. I think this is 00:38:40.960 --> 00:38:43.960 gross overreach. Um and just 00:38:44.480 --> 00:38:46.536 outrageous overreach from from our state 00:38:46.560 --> 00:38:49.016 government who has created the world 00:38:49.040 --> 00:38:52.040 and then does this too. So just belief 00:38:52.480 --> 00:38:55.335 in a sense. Um 00:38:55.359 --> 00:38:57.656 question what's the status of this now? 00:38:57.680 --> 00:39:00.136 Is it is it has it been acted? Is it is 00:39:00.160 --> 00:39:02.936 it a bill still or is it law? 00:39:02.960 --> 00:39:05.016 it's a very good question. I should 00:39:05.040 --> 00:39:06.536 have mentioned that it is actually law. 00:39:06.560 --> 00:39:09.416 It's it's been approved. So what has 00:39:09.440 --> 00:39:11.976 happened since is that um Phyllis Miller 00:39:12.000 --> 00:39:15.000 who's the current chairperson of um New 00:39:15.359 --> 00:39:17.896 South Wales LGA has spoken directly with 00:39:17.920 --> 00:39:20.920 um the minister Scully um and he has 00:39:21.920 --> 00:39:23.656 given a verbal undertaking that they 00:39:23.680 --> 00:39:26.456 won't take action they won't action the 00:39:26.480 --> 00:39:28.456 power of the bill until there's more 00:39:28.480 --> 00:39:30.376 consultation but going back to your 00:39:30.400 --> 00:39:32.696 point council Cameron legally they 00:39:32.720 --> 00:39:35.720 can do thank you it's for council 00:39:36.960 --> 00:39:39.960 yes so Um I I phoned council once this 00:39:40.960 --> 00:39:43.960 came under my radar. Um I'm disappointed 00:39:44.720 --> 00:39:47.176 in the government that it wasn't sent to 00:39:47.200 --> 00:39:50.200 councils for consultation. Um and should 00:39:50.960 --> 00:39:53.960 have had much wider consultation. Um 00:39:54.800 --> 00:39:56.296 like you like to use some stronger 00:39:56.320 --> 00:39:58.055 language. 00:39:58.079 --> 00:40:00.696 Um and and anything I say it often 00:40:00.720 --> 00:40:03.575 sounds and I said to to council it it 00:40:03.599 --> 00:40:06.136 sounds emotive. You know, I feel 00:40:06.160 --> 00:40:07.256 insulted, 00:40:07.280 --> 00:40:09.176 but not only do I feel insulted as a 00:40:09.200 --> 00:40:11.575 counselor, but I feel that our community 00:40:11.599 --> 00:40:14.055 has been insulted. They elected us to 00:40:14.079 --> 00:40:16.536 represent them and to their their 00:40:16.560 --> 00:40:19.176 values, their opinions, their lifestyle, 00:40:19.200 --> 00:40:22.200 and they're totally ignoring that. 00:40:22.240 --> 00:40:25.095 um any person I know who has served on 00:40:25.119 --> 00:40:28.119 the regional um panels have been very 00:40:28.240 --> 00:40:31.240 moderate and very considerate of of um 00:40:32.720 --> 00:40:35.656 the desires of the community and and of 00:40:35.680 --> 00:40:37.416 the legislation. 00:40:37.440 --> 00:40:40.440 Um I'm was gobsmacked when I heard about 00:40:40.800 --> 00:40:42.616 that this had gone through like it just 00:40:42.640 --> 00:40:45.640 shouldn't have got there. Um yeah, you 00:40:45.920 --> 00:40:48.776 know, I I really do think we need to to 00:40:48.800 --> 00:40:51.176 act and work together through our 00:40:51.200 --> 00:40:54.200 joint region and and as as a council 00:40:55.040 --> 00:40:57.575 body ourselves to to move on this. 00:40:57.599 --> 00:41:00.599 Thank you. Um councelor um 00:41:02.000 --> 00:41:04.936 again just like to know who put up this 00:41:04.960 --> 00:41:07.575 bill in the first place. 00:41:07.599 --> 00:41:10.055 Um and secondly, 00:41:10.079 --> 00:41:11.896 what makes 00:41:11.920 --> 00:41:14.920 department of planning in Sydney 00:41:16.160 --> 00:41:19.160 feel that the local voice 00:41:21.119 --> 00:41:24.119 and the local management of what we are 00:41:24.160 --> 00:41:27.160 doing in our China should be sidelined. 00:41:28.000 --> 00:41:30.776 So they're effectively taking away the 00:41:30.800 --> 00:41:33.256 voice of our residents here 00:41:33.280 --> 00:41:35.976 by basically saying we're going to make 00:41:36.000 --> 00:41:38.295 a decision in Mcquary Street because 00:41:38.319 --> 00:41:41.319 this is the center of knowledge and it's 00:41:41.440 --> 00:41:44.440 a bit to me um this there has been 00:41:45.839 --> 00:41:48.456 little or no publicity about this. Is 00:41:48.480 --> 00:41:51.480 this another government 00:41:52.720 --> 00:41:54.216 um 00:41:54.240 --> 00:41:57.240 control mechanism by stealth 00:41:57.599 --> 00:42:00.136 I don't understand the reasoning behind 00:42:00.160 --> 00:42:02.936 this and the advantages. 00:42:02.960 --> 00:42:04.456 Yeah. All all I can say and reply to 00:42:04.480 --> 00:42:06.456 that is that I think the real problem 00:42:06.480 --> 00:42:09.016 here is that the whole all of these bits 00:42:09.040 --> 00:42:12.040 of legislation are aimed at speeding up 00:42:12.079 --> 00:42:15.079 development approvals and and sadly um 00:42:15.839 --> 00:42:17.736 they've also applied that to the process 00:42:17.760 --> 00:42:19.815 of it coming to parliament but you know 00:42:19.839 --> 00:42:21.815 instead of it being normally properly 00:42:21.839 --> 00:42:23.016 considered 00:42:23.040 --> 00:42:24.936 over a period of time and consulted 00:42:24.960 --> 00:42:27.736 broadly they felt the need to 00:42:27.760 --> 00:42:29.656 treat it with urgency and rush it 00:42:29.680 --> 00:42:31.656 through in a matter of weeks and 00:42:31.680 --> 00:42:34.680 yes I understand that that what suits 00:42:34.720 --> 00:42:36.295 McQuarry 00:42:36.319 --> 00:42:39.256 does not necessarily suit rural regional 00:42:39.280 --> 00:42:41.496 and we've had evidence for that over a 00:42:41.520 --> 00:42:44.295 number of years decisions made up there 00:42:44.319 --> 00:42:46.295 just not a good fit for us 00:42:46.319 --> 00:42:47.976 and I think this had have happened the 00:42:48.000 --> 00:42:50.376 way normal legislation is put this 00:42:50.400 --> 00:42:53.335 debate would have happened prior getting 00:42:53.359 --> 00:42:54.856 a sentent and it wouldn't have happened 00:42:54.880 --> 00:42:57.496 but this is where we are sorry council 00:42:57.520 --> 00:42:59.496 a couple of things apart from the 00:42:59.520 --> 00:43:02.520 process we have to assume that it is 00:43:03.280 --> 00:43:05.896 been conducted in a with diligence and 00:43:05.920 --> 00:43:07.736 there has been a proper process rather 00:43:07.760 --> 00:43:09.496 than hurrying through even though it 00:43:09.520 --> 00:43:12.520 looks as house but should we refer to 00:43:14.480 --> 00:43:17.480 the act rather than the bill out 00:43:19.599 --> 00:43:22.136 only because if someone's going to 00:43:22.160 --> 00:43:24.536 respond to that on say welcome or 00:43:24.560 --> 00:43:27.560 building out you start again 00:43:27.920 --> 00:43:30.920 yeah no good point it is So we could we 00:43:32.400 --> 00:43:35.400 could perhaps change that correct 00:43:36.079 --> 00:43:39.079 not make an amendment 00:43:39.520 --> 00:43:41.656 tech was referred to as a bill last week 00:43:41.680 --> 00:43:44.680 but you now that it's law it's well 00:43:47.359 --> 00:43:50.359 from being a bill to an act you say have 00:43:51.680 --> 00:43:54.680 all the processes been attended to 00:43:57.599 --> 00:43:59.815 section there 00:43:59.839 --> 00:44:01.656 so the very first line or the second 00:44:01.680 --> 00:44:04.216 line it was it says plan reform bill 00:44:04.240 --> 00:44:07.240 it's actually an act 00:44:08.240 --> 00:44:09.815 oh wait sorry 00:44:09.839 --> 00:44:11.575 the second line 00:44:11.599 --> 00:44:13.815 oh that one there yes there's also one 00:44:13.839 --> 00:44:15.256 further 00:44:15.280 --> 00:44:17.656 so planning reform bill is that it's not 00:44:17.680 --> 00:44:20.376 it's you believe just bill just changed 00:44:20.400 --> 00:44:21.896 to act 00:44:21.920 --> 00:44:24.136 clarify is it the environmental planning 00:44:24.160 --> 00:44:27.160 and assessment act still isn't amend in 00:44:27.440 --> 00:44:28.936 brackets possibly amendment 00:44:28.960 --> 00:44:30.616 is it an amendment 00:44:30.640 --> 00:44:33.575 still funding and assessment act 00:44:33.599 --> 00:44:35.575 amendment. So I believe it's still the 00:44:35.599 --> 00:44:37.575 same act. It's just that this bill was 00:44:37.599 --> 00:44:39.815 essentially the end to that. 00:44:39.839 --> 00:44:40.856 Would that be the correct? 00:44:40.880 --> 00:44:42.936 All right. Well, so 00:44:42.960 --> 00:44:45.960 as or cuz it's actually it is the 00:44:46.640 --> 00:44:48.216 planning form bill is definitely what 00:44:48.240 --> 00:44:50.376 we're objecting to but but it's now 00:44:50.400 --> 00:44:52.136 happened. 00:44:52.160 --> 00:44:54.856 It will now be under the environment 00:44:54.880 --> 00:44:57.416 and assessment act. That's right. Amen 00:44:57.440 --> 00:44:59.656 to the act. So technically it is still 00:44:59.680 --> 00:45:02.295 the bill that you're objecting to that. 00:45:02.319 --> 00:45:05.319 So maybe it is an standard 00:45:07.440 --> 00:45:09.256 is 00:45:09.280 --> 00:45:11.016 work it out. 00:45:11.040 --> 00:45:12.856 Well that is also the language that a 00:45:12.880 --> 00:45:14.376 lot of us use. So it's probably good to 00:45:14.400 --> 00:45:17.335 be consistent with that. 00:45:17.359 --> 00:45:18.856 All right. Look there's no further 00:45:18.880 --> 00:45:21.335 commentary. Sorry, I would just like to 00:45:21.359 --> 00:45:24.359 add that it's just a flow on from um 00:45:25.200 --> 00:45:28.200 making it easier to to do projects 00:45:28.240 --> 00:45:30.295 and whatever significant state 00:45:30.319 --> 00:45:33.319 development. It's taking the power away 00:45:33.760 --> 00:45:35.256 not just from the council, but it's 00:45:35.280 --> 00:45:38.280 taking a voice away from the residents 00:45:38.480 --> 00:45:41.416 of um of the Yeah, it takes a voice away 00:45:41.440 --> 00:45:44.440 from the people. Um and it's allowing um 00:45:45.680 --> 00:45:47.976 McQuary Street to ride rough shot over 00:45:48.000 --> 00:45:51.000 local communities and that has to be 00:45:51.040 --> 00:45:52.616 that has to be condemned. That's 00:45:52.640 --> 00:45:53.736 terrible. 00:45:53.760 --> 00:45:55.016 Yeah. Thank you. And look obviously 00:45:55.040 --> 00:45:57.176 another comment I made outside the room 00:45:57.200 --> 00:45:58.616 was just that 00:45:58.640 --> 00:46:00.376 particularly in a place like the Oakland 00:46:00.400 --> 00:46:03.016 when people do apply for our committees 00:46:03.040 --> 00:46:05.016 typically a number of us have know 00:46:05.040 --> 00:46:06.295 them. I have reasonable knowledge of 00:46:06.319 --> 00:46:08.616 them and we're in a you know unique 00:46:08.640 --> 00:46:11.176 position to be able to assist 00:46:11.200 --> 00:46:13.496 getting a good panel 00:46:13.520 --> 00:46:16.520 which is again an odd outcome of this um 00:46:16.640 --> 00:46:17.815 yeah change. 00:46:17.839 --> 00:46:20.055 I just find it incredulous that this is 00:46:20.079 --> 00:46:22.616 all proposed 00:46:22.640 --> 00:46:24.776 um to 00:46:24.800 --> 00:46:26.536 avoid corruption 00:46:26.560 --> 00:46:29.560 and the very seated corruption is 00:46:29.839 --> 00:46:32.839 dare I say north rather than than in 00:46:33.920 --> 00:46:35.416 local government. Look, you're right. I 00:46:35.440 --> 00:46:36.936 could have probably been harsher in my 00:46:36.960 --> 00:46:38.856 third point, but that's what I'm that's 00:46:38.880 --> 00:46:41.095 what I'm alluding to 00:46:41.119 --> 00:46:42.536 as well. 00:46:42.560 --> 00:46:44.456 What's the history of corruption that 00:46:44.480 --> 00:46:47.416 they that has been so bad that resulted 00:46:47.440 --> 00:46:50.440 in the drafting of that bill? I I 00:46:51.440 --> 00:46:53.815 haven't recall there's been a you know a 00:46:53.839 --> 00:46:56.616 widespread thing of corruption in 00:46:56.640 --> 00:46:59.575 councils in regard to planning for a 00:46:59.599 --> 00:47:00.216 long time. 00:47:00.240 --> 00:47:01.976 Yeah. I mean, I think there's been 00:47:02.000 --> 00:47:04.856 corruption in a general sense in that, 00:47:04.880 --> 00:47:06.936 but certainly not specifically a local 00:47:06.960 --> 00:47:07.496 government. 00:47:07.520 --> 00:47:08.295 Yeah, 00:47:08.319 --> 00:47:11.256 we come under too much from anyway, 00:47:11.280 --> 00:47:14.136 look, I'm sure we're we're all mind. So, 00:47:14.160 --> 00:47:17.160 um we're happy with that. Um I'll I'll 00:47:17.200 --> 00:47:20.200 put the motion for those in favor. 00:47:20.400 --> 00:47:22.216 Okay. 00:47:22.240 --> 00:47:24.776 Um so, thanks for that. That's all I 00:47:24.800 --> 00:47:26.936 had. Um we go. It was quite lengthy, but 00:47:26.960 --> 00:47:29.016 there was a lot happening um in the last 00:47:29.040 --> 00:47:31.896 month. Um I move on to item eight which 00:47:31.920 --> 00:47:34.920 is correspondence um which is on page um 00:47:36.560 --> 00:47:39.095 41. 00:47:39.119 --> 00:47:41.176 See if we can have a move for acceptance 00:47:41.200 --> 00:47:43.095 of the correspondence 00:47:43.119 --> 00:47:44.776 move by councelor Clintan and seconded 00:47:44.800 --> 00:47:47.496 by councelor Ryn. Um there's just one 00:47:47.520 --> 00:47:50.055 item correspondence in relation to 00:47:50.079 --> 00:47:51.976 tobacco industry. Is there any 00:47:52.000 --> 00:47:55.000 commentary on that? 00:47:55.359 --> 00:47:55.815 Sorry. 00:47:55.839 --> 00:47:58.776 Yeah. 00:47:58.800 --> 00:48:01.496 Just a very very general comment. One 00:48:01.520 --> 00:48:04.520 thing that I am noticing is the vape 00:48:07.440 --> 00:48:10.440 devices being thrown on the ground 00:48:10.640 --> 00:48:13.640 quite a bit around the and and we have I 00:48:14.079 --> 00:48:15.496 would have thought a reasonable number 00:48:15.520 --> 00:48:18.520 of bins but particularly if you go in 00:48:18.720 --> 00:48:21.575 behind the mentes clock in the parking 00:48:21.599 --> 00:48:24.599 area there were two there yesterday. 00:48:24.880 --> 00:48:27.176 There was another one last week as well. 00:48:27.200 --> 00:48:30.136 So, you know, it's I know it doesn't 00:48:30.160 --> 00:48:31.976 relate to this, but it's something that 00:48:32.000 --> 00:48:32.856 perhaps 00:48:32.880 --> 00:48:33.976 a consequence. Yeah. 00:48:34.000 --> 00:48:34.856 Yeah. 00:48:34.880 --> 00:48:36.535 And they have quite a lot of packaging 00:48:36.559 --> 00:48:39.559 associated with it, too. And of layers 00:48:39.760 --> 00:48:41.095 and levels to 00:48:41.119 --> 00:48:43.176 unfortunately as they're the same as 00:48:43.200 --> 00:48:44.456 cigarettes in that they're not allowed 00:48:44.480 --> 00:48:46.136 to be 00:48:46.160 --> 00:48:48.696 consumed in 00:48:48.720 --> 00:48:50.856 licensed premises, then you do get the 00:48:50.880 --> 00:48:52.295 outcome. Unfortunately, it's just 00:48:52.319 --> 00:48:54.535 another negative consequence. 00:48:54.559 --> 00:48:56.696 Yeah. Um, sorry, Council Piercece, did you 00:48:56.720 --> 00:48:57.496 want to say something? 00:48:57.520 --> 00:49:00.520 Um, oh, look, I'm totally um for tough 00:49:02.800 --> 00:49:05.496 new laws. Well, even then, I'd just like 00:49:05.520 --> 00:49:08.520 to see the original laws be um and um 00:49:09.839 --> 00:49:12.839 enforced and the actual tobacco um 00:49:15.280 --> 00:49:16.856 licensing 00:49:16.880 --> 00:49:19.880 people be expanded so they can do more 00:49:20.000 --> 00:49:23.000 work. Um I mean it's common knowledge in 00:49:24.240 --> 00:49:26.295 several places in gold if you want to go 00:49:26.319 --> 00:49:29.319 and buy a list of tobacco. Um it's not 00:49:29.440 --> 00:49:32.440 like these people hide. Um 00:49:32.800 --> 00:49:35.800 I 00:49:36.240 --> 00:49:38.055 people using it don't hide. That's what 00:49:38.079 --> 00:49:38.856 it is. 00:49:38.880 --> 00:49:40.776 Yeah. sitting down at the table 00:49:40.800 --> 00:49:43.335 and it's all about and it should be what 00:49:43.359 --> 00:49:45.896 it's designed to do is to crack down on 00:49:45.920 --> 00:49:48.920 organized crime which is trafficking and 00:49:49.040 --> 00:49:52.040 um and supplying the the it it's not 00:49:52.319 --> 00:49:55.256 elicit tobacco to leave tobacco. It's um 00:49:55.280 --> 00:49:57.496 because they're not paying excise on it. 00:49:57.520 --> 00:50:00.216 Um 00:50:00.240 --> 00:50:03.240 yeah I yeah I fully supportive of it. I 00:50:03.920 --> 00:50:05.575 just think the state government 00:50:05.599 --> 00:50:07.496 should actually 00:50:07.520 --> 00:50:10.216 put more more effort into closing them 00:50:10.240 --> 00:50:10.776 down. 00:50:10.800 --> 00:50:13.016 Yeah. Thanks, Council. 00:50:13.040 --> 00:50:14.856 thank you, Mr. Mayor. Does this 00:50:14.880 --> 00:50:17.416 present compliance issues for 00:50:17.440 --> 00:50:20.216 council? 00:50:20.240 --> 00:50:22.535 At this stage, I'm saying no. So if you 00:50:22.559 --> 00:50:24.936 look at implemented by the department of 00:50:24.960 --> 00:50:27.960 health police 00:50:28.400 --> 00:50:31.176 um look as councelor Piercece said they've 00:50:31.200 --> 00:50:32.856 now got a little bit more teeth in this 00:50:32.880 --> 00:50:34.856 area and I think they really got to 00:50:34.880 --> 00:50:37.256 strengthen the laws more and the kids 00:50:37.280 --> 00:50:38.535 cuz there's not much happening at the 00:50:38.559 --> 00:50:39.496 moment. 00:50:39.520 --> 00:50:41.736 All righty. I'll put the motion all in 00:50:41.760 --> 00:50:43.176 favor. 00:50:43.200 --> 00:50:45.496 Thank you. Um we might just now move on 00:50:45.520 --> 00:50:48.136 to the information section. Um item 10.1 00:50:48.160 --> 00:50:49.736 is a planning matter development 00:50:49.760 --> 00:50:51.896 statistics report. I have a move for the 00:50:51.920 --> 00:50:53.575 council of realms and second to 00:50:53.599 --> 00:50:55.095 councelor S. 00:50:55.119 --> 00:50:57.815 Um is there any comments on order 00:50:57.839 --> 00:50:58.936 10.1? 00:50:58.960 --> 00:50:59.656 Yes. 00:50:59.680 --> 00:51:02.295 council realms 00:51:02.319 --> 00:51:04.295 um through the mayor to the director 00:51:04.319 --> 00:51:07.319 of planning. Um I just noticed with the 00:51:08.240 --> 00:51:10.616 cumulative average assessment days 00:51:10.640 --> 00:51:13.640 August 24 to September 25 the diagram is 00:51:17.359 --> 00:51:19.176 very very pleasingly heading in the 00:51:19.200 --> 00:51:20.616 right direction. 00:51:20.640 --> 00:51:23.640 And I have a question. What has 00:51:24.480 --> 00:51:27.480 created this dramatic and welcome 00:51:28.160 --> 00:51:31.160 improvement particularly from that July 00:51:31.440 --> 00:51:34.440 period where it has dropped from 137 00:51:34.880 --> 00:51:37.880 days down to 82 as and it has continued 00:51:39.599 --> 00:51:42.599 in a downward direction and is that 00:51:43.359 --> 00:51:46.359 sustainable? 00:51:46.800 --> 00:51:49.800 um through the CDA in very simple terms 00:51:51.599 --> 00:51:54.599 the team 00:51:54.960 --> 00:51:57.176 has now been resourced where we're able 00:51:57.200 --> 00:52:00.200 to implement I suppose new processes 00:52:01.119 --> 00:52:03.335 through the development application when 00:52:03.359 --> 00:52:06.359 submissions made um the big change 00:52:06.960 --> 00:52:09.256 because of the way the government has 00:52:09.280 --> 00:52:11.815 set up the what we call the leagues 00:52:11.839 --> 00:52:14.839 table which gives us our targets to hit 00:52:15.200 --> 00:52:18.200 is unfortunately where we used to accept 00:52:19.200 --> 00:52:21.095 to develop an application and work with 00:52:21.119 --> 00:52:23.176 the applicant we would hold on to it and 00:52:23.200 --> 00:52:24.696 say hey look we need additional 00:52:24.720 --> 00:52:26.376 information and continually work with 00:52:26.400 --> 00:52:29.400 them the biggest change of what we have 00:52:29.680 --> 00:52:31.815 implemented is that if you haven't got 00:52:31.839 --> 00:52:33.256 sufficient information with that 00:52:33.280 --> 00:52:35.815 application instead of holding it for 20 00:52:35.839 --> 00:52:37.496 days which is then part of the 00:52:37.520 --> 00:52:40.520 calculation we just return it um so that 00:52:40.880 --> 00:52:43.880 little bit of I suppose working with the 00:52:44.160 --> 00:52:46.776 community has disappeared. We still work 00:52:46.800 --> 00:52:49.656 with them, but we just say you've got to 00:52:49.680 --> 00:52:51.496 go and obtain this information before 00:52:51.520 --> 00:52:53.736 you can resubmit the application. That's 00:52:53.760 --> 00:52:55.815 probably the biggest change. Um, and 00:52:55.839 --> 00:52:58.295 that's through our internal processes. 00:52:58.319 --> 00:53:01.319 Is it sustainable? That will depend upon 00:53:01.440 --> 00:53:03.256 the number of applications that we 00:53:03.280 --> 00:53:06.280 receive. So if you have a look at 00:53:08.000 --> 00:53:11.000 figure one 00:53:11.680 --> 00:53:14.376 you will notice the number of DAS that 00:53:14.400 --> 00:53:16.856 we have received in the last month being 00:53:16.880 --> 00:53:19.496 September has increased significantly. I 00:53:19.520 --> 00:53:22.456 want to say sign substantially. Um so I 00:53:22.480 --> 00:53:25.480 wouldn't be surprised if 00:53:26.559 --> 00:53:28.696 the time frames go up a little because 00:53:28.720 --> 00:53:30.856 we got more applications. 00:53:30.880 --> 00:53:32.616 One of the biggest challenges we had 00:53:32.640 --> 00:53:34.456 initially is because we don't receive a 00:53:34.480 --> 00:53:37.016 lot of development applications, we had 00:53:37.040 --> 00:53:38.936 some very old ones which were sitting on 00:53:38.960 --> 00:53:40.776 our desk for a couple of hundred days 00:53:40.800 --> 00:53:42.376 again because we were working with the 00:53:42.400 --> 00:53:44.136 applicant. 00:53:44.160 --> 00:53:45.815 If you don't have many applications and 00:53:45.839 --> 00:53:47.575 all of a sudden you approve a DA that's 00:53:47.599 --> 00:53:50.376 been sitting there for 200 days, that 00:53:50.400 --> 00:53:52.456 really impacts on your average. Whereas 00:53:52.480 --> 00:53:54.216 a council that might receive a thousand 00:53:54.240 --> 00:53:56.136 DAs, it'll probably have a real nominal 00:53:56.160 --> 00:53:57.335 effect. 00:53:57.359 --> 00:53:59.656 Um, so it will go up and down. Thank 00:53:59.680 --> 00:54:00.055 you. 00:54:00.079 --> 00:54:02.535 Thanks for that council. 00:54:02.559 --> 00:54:04.696 Council me, I believe you have. 00:54:04.720 --> 00:54:07.496 Yeah. Thank you. Um just a question for 00:54:07.520 --> 00:54:10.520 V to planning. Um on page 52, 00:54:13.680 --> 00:54:16.680 there's a DA in at 2042 Red Ground Road, 00:54:19.920 --> 00:54:22.616 Binda, and the dwelling is a fixed 00:54:22.640 --> 00:54:24.696 wireless facility. 00:54:24.720 --> 00:54:27.720 Is that an MBN tower or a wind tower or 00:54:27.760 --> 00:54:29.575 Sorry, I'm just trying to find that. 00:54:29.599 --> 00:54:32.599 Page 52. 00:54:33.599 --> 00:54:35.896 It's a What's a What's a fixed wireless 00:54:35.920 --> 00:54:37.095 facility? Is that a 00:54:37.119 --> 00:54:39.256 I will need to confirm, but I would 00:54:39.280 --> 00:54:41.176 suggest your comments correct. Is it 00:54:41.200 --> 00:54:44.200 more like a an NBA tower or something? 00:54:44.559 --> 00:54:47.095 Okay. Telecommunications is is the usual 00:54:47.119 --> 00:54:48.535 term we use. So confidence 00:54:48.559 --> 00:54:50.776 telecommunications which one we need to 00:54:50.800 --> 00:54:52.696 take on. 00:54:52.720 --> 00:54:53.016 Yeah. 00:54:53.040 --> 00:54:56.040 Yeah. Thank you. 00:54:56.079 --> 00:54:57.815 All right. Any other comments on that 00:54:57.839 --> 00:55:00.055 report? And if not, I'll put the report. 00:55:00.079 --> 00:55:02.055 All those in favor? 00:55:02.079 --> 00:55:05.079 Um, now we um the remainder of the 00:55:06.480 --> 00:55:08.936 information section is information only 00:55:08.960 --> 00:55:11.960 10.2 to 10.6. Move for adoption of that. 00:55:12.640 --> 00:55:14.055 Councelor Sland and seconded by 00:55:14.079 --> 00:55:16.456 councelor Piercece. Um I'll just run 00:55:16.480 --> 00:55:19.480 around the table to see if councils are 00:55:19.839 --> 00:55:21.575 interested in each item as we usually 00:55:21.599 --> 00:55:23.896 do. Councelor 00:55:23.920 --> 00:55:25.896 Can I 00:55:25.920 --> 00:55:28.920 very good? 00:55:33.119 --> 00:55:35.976 Very good. Um, anyone else? Council 00:55:36.000 --> 00:55:37.815 Harris or council me? 00:55:37.839 --> 00:55:39.095 Yeah, 00:55:39.119 --> 00:55:42.119 just a point. Um, in relation to 10.2. 00:55:43.520 --> 00:55:46.055 Um, 00:55:46.079 --> 00:55:47.736 go around. That's it. We want to know 00:55:47.760 --> 00:55:49.496 what it is now. Well, we probably come 00:55:49.520 --> 00:55:51.896 to that fairly shortly, but just check 00:55:51.920 --> 00:55:53.335 with everyone else. 00:55:53.359 --> 00:55:55.736 10.2.2 00:55:55.760 --> 00:55:58.760 just to comment. 00:55:59.200 --> 00:56:01.656 All right. Okay. Well, that's that's 00:56:01.680 --> 00:56:03.575 good. We'll move on to 10.2 then, which 00:56:03.599 --> 00:56:05.416 is the investments. 00:56:05.440 --> 00:56:07.335 Council me first. 00:56:07.359 --> 00:56:09.736 Investments. She's picked on. 00:56:09.760 --> 00:56:11.656 The action 00:56:11.680 --> 00:56:14.680 10.2 00:56:14.880 --> 00:56:16.856 the number. 00:56:16.880 --> 00:56:19.575 Oh, sorry. fun. So they're all in 00:56:19.599 --> 00:56:21.256 relation to an action. 00:56:21.280 --> 00:56:21.815 Yeah. 00:56:21.839 --> 00:56:23.256 Very good. 00:56:23.280 --> 00:56:25.815 No problem. So as you got a different 00:56:25.839 --> 00:56:28.136 list here, 00:56:28.160 --> 00:56:30.216 right? So am I still good to go? 00:56:30.240 --> 00:56:32.696 Yeah. 00:56:32.720 --> 00:56:33.256 Sorry. 00:56:33.280 --> 00:56:35.575 Just also a comment in relation to 10.2 00:56:35.599 --> 00:56:38.599 to are regarding the draft um 00:56:39.920 --> 00:56:42.920 DCP and the draft housing strategy which 00:56:44.000 --> 00:56:46.936 I know is currently on exhibition until 00:56:46.960 --> 00:56:49.575 tomorrow pending confirmation 00:56:49.599 --> 00:56:51.575 potentially of it being extended under 00:56:51.599 --> 00:56:52.696 motion 00:56:52.720 --> 00:56:54.696 later meeting that's correct 00:56:54.720 --> 00:56:56.456 is that correct it was just more so an 00:56:56.480 --> 00:56:58.055 observation 00:56:58.079 --> 00:57:01.079 yes so that is um as you say that in in 00:57:01.520 --> 00:57:03.575 will be dealt with later in the meeting 00:57:03.599 --> 00:57:05.736 posting extending that period Yeah. 00:57:05.760 --> 00:57:08.216 Okay. Thank you, 00:57:08.240 --> 00:57:10.616 Council. 00:57:10.640 --> 00:57:13.640 I'm back at 10.2. 00:57:16.400 --> 00:57:19.400 Investments and through the mayor to the 00:57:19.680 --> 00:57:22.680 director of finance. I note with the 00:57:23.359 --> 00:57:25.016 lovely little pie chart that you have 00:57:25.040 --> 00:57:27.575 here, institutional profile, term 00:57:27.599 --> 00:57:30.599 deposits, and atall accounts. We have $8 00:57:31.920 --> 00:57:34.920 million with Bendigo Bank. 00:57:34.960 --> 00:57:37.095 So given their retreat from regional 00:57:37.119 --> 00:57:40.119 locations including Cookwell um why do 00:57:40.400 --> 00:57:43.400 we continue to support them 00:57:44.160 --> 00:57:46.535 through the C really have to take that 00:57:46.559 --> 00:57:48.616 on those? We we've got an investment 00:57:48.640 --> 00:57:50.376 policy, investment strategy and 00:57:50.400 --> 00:57:52.136 obviously we look at the ratings of all 00:57:52.160 --> 00:57:53.976 those different financial institutions 00:57:54.000 --> 00:57:56.856 and um I think I really need to look at 00:57:56.880 --> 00:57:59.656 it holistically as the full context of 00:57:59.680 --> 00:58:01.815 all those institutions as part of the 00:58:01.839 --> 00:58:02.295 review. 00:58:02.319 --> 00:58:03.496 Thank you. 00:58:03.520 --> 00:58:06.456 I suppose I'll just make a comment with 00:58:06.480 --> 00:58:08.856 sorry I was just going to say can um 00:58:08.880 --> 00:58:10.535 this is sort of in between but they do 00:58:10.559 --> 00:58:12.936 have maturity dates on them as well. So 00:58:12.960 --> 00:58:14.535 I would suggest that we wouldn't be able 00:58:14.559 --> 00:58:16.295 to we wouldn't certainly wouldn't want 00:58:16.319 --> 00:58:17.896 to cash anything out until it reaches 00:58:17.920 --> 00:58:20.920 maturity fixed 00:58:21.040 --> 00:58:22.535 information but we definitely need a 00:58:22.559 --> 00:58:24.376 strategy for how we would move over if 00:58:24.400 --> 00:58:25.815 we were to move. 00:58:25.839 --> 00:58:27.815 Yes, we used to have an investment 00:58:27.839 --> 00:58:29.256 committee and like it was alluded to 00:58:29.280 --> 00:58:31.736 earlier by the auditors. Um you know 00:58:31.760 --> 00:58:33.416 there is a lot of things now in large 00:58:33.440 --> 00:58:36.216 public companies called and councils for 00:58:36.240 --> 00:58:38.136 you know s sustainability and doing the 00:58:38.160 --> 00:58:41.160 right thing by environment blah blah. Um 00:58:41.280 --> 00:58:42.936 this probably a little bit more filled 00:58:42.960 --> 00:58:45.815 with that but it's something that the 00:58:45.839 --> 00:58:47.575 the finance department could consider 00:58:47.599 --> 00:58:50.456 with their policy. 00:58:50.480 --> 00:58:53.480 Very good. I'll move on to Council P. Um 00:58:54.000 --> 00:58:55.496 yeah there's more a comment in regards 00:58:55.520 --> 00:58:58.520 to 13024 our favorite subject of the gun 00:59:00.319 --> 00:59:03.319 um RFS station. a member of the 00:59:04.799 --> 00:59:07.176 brigade told me the other week that the 00:59:07.200 --> 00:59:10.200 RFS had reallocated the money for 00:59:11.119 --> 00:59:14.119 the um for the fire station and 00:59:15.359 --> 00:59:18.295 therefore it wasn't going ahead in the 00:59:18.319 --> 00:59:19.976 near term, but I haven't had a chance 00:59:20.000 --> 00:59:23.000 to talk with of councelor Cameron in 00:59:24.240 --> 00:59:26.136 regards to that to see if that's the 00:59:26.160 --> 00:59:29.160 case or not. But I would find it 00:59:29.760 --> 00:59:32.760 unbelievable um in the extreme to be 00:59:33.520 --> 00:59:35.496 going down this point and to have the 00:59:35.520 --> 00:59:38.520 RFS pull the money. 00:59:38.960 --> 00:59:41.416 We will continue on the process that the 00:59:41.440 --> 00:59:43.016 path that we're on will continue on 00:59:43.040 --> 00:59:46.040 until it's finalized. Then what will be 00:59:46.079 --> 00:59:47.256 will be 00:59:47.280 --> 00:59:48.936 yeah prepared and ready for the 00:59:48.960 --> 00:59:51.960 RF. Sorry to in my experience with 00:59:52.559 --> 00:59:55.559 budgets and um and councelor Cameron is 00:59:56.240 --> 00:59:59.240 you can always hold funding over over 01:00:00.240 --> 01:00:02.456 quite a long period of time 01:00:02.480 --> 01:00:05.480 um if if a project is in train um I 01:00:07.359 --> 01:00:09.736 can't believe that the RFS would have 01:00:09.760 --> 01:00:12.760 would have moved the money on. No, as 01:00:13.119 --> 01:00:15.736 the CEO said um in many respects we just 01:00:15.760 --> 01:00:17.256 have to deal with it as it is, but like 01:00:17.280 --> 01:00:20.280 you not very it's not unusual for there 01:00:20.400 --> 01:00:22.616 to be delays in implementation. 01:00:22.640 --> 01:00:24.376 Hopefully that's not the case. 01:00:24.400 --> 01:00:25.896 Okay. 01:00:25.920 --> 01:00:28.216 Right. Thank you. If there's no further 01:00:28.240 --> 01:00:30.775 questions on the information section, um 01:00:30.799 --> 01:00:32.456 I'll put that motion. All those in 01:00:32.480 --> 01:00:33.896 favor. 01:00:33.920 --> 01:00:36.295 Thank you. Um we'll move on to the 01:00:36.319 --> 01:00:37.736 reports from staff and standing 01:00:37.760 --> 01:00:39.496 committees. Um first one being the 01:00:39.520 --> 01:00:42.520 environmental planning. Um it item 11.1 01:00:44.559 --> 01:00:47.559 um could I ask for a movement for that 01:00:47.760 --> 01:00:50.535 motion? Move councelor S and seconded by 01:00:50.559 --> 01:00:52.856 councelor Flagan. I just I'll just make 01:00:52.880 --> 01:00:54.616 an opening comment again that seems like 01:00:54.640 --> 01:00:56.216 the audit officers on the money today. 01:00:56.240 --> 01:00:59.240 They did again allude to this being 01:00:59.680 --> 01:01:02.680 an area of watch for um auditors to 01:01:03.680 --> 01:01:06.680 make sure that we are um doing what we 01:01:07.040 --> 01:01:08.936 what we are doing in this area to to 01:01:08.960 --> 01:01:10.936 meet the state government's objectives. 01:01:10.960 --> 01:01:12.696 So look with that I'll hand over to the 01:01:12.720 --> 01:01:15.416 director of B planning the report. Thank 01:01:15.440 --> 01:01:18.136 you Mr. Mayor through the CEO. just 01:01:18.160 --> 01:01:20.696 in very simple terms council as part of 01:01:20.720 --> 01:01:23.720 our performance indicators as listed in 01:01:24.319 --> 01:01:27.319 the report we do have some outcomes that 01:01:28.160 --> 01:01:30.535 relate to waste management and best 01:01:30.559 --> 01:01:33.559 practice. um the 01:01:34.079 --> 01:01:35.815 waste management practices here with the 01:01:35.839 --> 01:01:37.416 closure of the landfill a number of 01:01:37.440 --> 01:01:40.440 years ago we have implemented a basic 01:01:41.280 --> 01:01:44.280 transfer station um I'm going to say the 01:01:45.359 --> 01:01:48.359 operation is probably dated and 01:01:49.040 --> 01:01:51.016 currently requires four up to four 01:01:51.040 --> 01:01:53.256 contractors to manage our waste to get 01:01:53.280 --> 01:01:56.280 it to the final position for disposal we 01:01:57.119 --> 01:01:59.416 have collect money through our developer 01:01:59.440 --> 01:02:01.976 contributions under the waste 01:02:02.000 --> 01:02:04.775 section 7.11 01:02:04.799 --> 01:02:07.799 um and proposing that we use utilize 01:02:07.839 --> 01:02:10.535 part of that funding to allow us to 01:02:10.559 --> 01:02:13.176 undertake a waste strategy to review how 01:02:13.200 --> 01:02:15.656 we operate and are there opportunities 01:02:15.680 --> 01:02:17.496 for us to be more efficient in the way 01:02:17.520 --> 01:02:19.656 we deliver and manage wasting across the 01:02:19.680 --> 01:02:21.335 SH 01:02:21.359 --> 01:02:23.976 look I've just got an opening question I 01:02:24.000 --> 01:02:25.575 just wondering in terms of seeking a 01:02:25.599 --> 01:02:27.335 consult for this whether that's a 01:02:27.359 --> 01:02:29.256 resourcing issue or that it's a very 01:02:29.280 --> 01:02:31.896 specialized area 01:02:31.920 --> 01:02:33.575 to get that sort of outcome 01:02:33.599 --> 01:02:35.176 through the CEO. It's a combination 01:02:35.200 --> 01:02:36.055 of both. 01:02:36.079 --> 01:02:36.616 Yeah. 01:02:36.640 --> 01:02:39.176 Um I was initially going to look at it 01:02:39.200 --> 01:02:42.200 um however just based on work 01:02:42.400 --> 01:02:45.176 commitments and expectations. Um but 01:02:45.200 --> 01:02:48.200 also to address a number of the areas 01:02:49.520 --> 01:02:52.520 that I believe need considering um the 01:02:53.440 --> 01:02:54.936 specialized advice would be 01:02:54.960 --> 01:02:57.016 advantageous. 01:02:57.040 --> 01:03:00.040 All right. Thank you. Anyone else? Okay, 01:03:01.040 --> 01:03:02.456 council. 01:03:02.480 --> 01:03:05.480 Do you want to Well, more common than 01:03:06.160 --> 01:03:08.055 anything, I actually think it'd be good 01:03:08.079 --> 01:03:10.456 to have fresh eyes on the whole thing 01:03:10.480 --> 01:03:13.016 and look at it holistically. 01:03:13.040 --> 01:03:15.496 Um, that's the big advantage I see. 01:03:15.520 --> 01:03:18.216 Again, that expertise, you can't be an 01:03:18.240 --> 01:03:21.240 expert on everything. Get an expert. 01:03:21.839 --> 01:03:22.535 Yeah. 01:03:22.559 --> 01:03:25.559 Thank you. Thanks, Council Flanagan. 01:03:25.760 --> 01:03:28.760 Anyone else for council me? Um, thanks. 01:03:29.920 --> 01:03:32.920 , the question for department planning 01:03:33.119 --> 01:03:35.015 by the mayor. I actually have a number 01:03:35.039 --> 01:03:38.039 of questions, so just indulge me. Um, 01:03:39.599 --> 01:03:41.416 the 01:03:41.440 --> 01:03:43.896 costings that break up for the waste 01:03:43.920 --> 01:03:46.920 management um, on page 79, I don't know 01:03:47.599 --> 01:03:49.496 which page it is on the screen. 01:03:49.520 --> 01:03:51.736 Do they include wages? 01:03:51.760 --> 01:03:53.416 , through the CEO. Yes. 01:03:53.440 --> 01:03:56.440 Okay. Um my next question is the land 01:03:57.839 --> 01:04:00.775 transfer um station 01:04:00.799 --> 01:04:03.799 ability to take you know um furniture 01:04:05.039 --> 01:04:07.976 was closed down some years ago and my 01:04:08.000 --> 01:04:10.535 question is I note here that you've 01:04:10.559 --> 01:04:13.256 given us two options to consider. Um the 01:04:13.280 --> 01:04:16.216 second option basically says that by not 01:04:16.240 --> 01:04:18.055 supporting the recommendation it would 01:04:18.079 --> 01:04:20.055 restrict the staff's ability to meet the 01:04:20.079 --> 01:04:23.079 KPIs of the council adopted 2526 01:04:24.240 --> 01:04:27.240 operational plan. So my question is why 01:04:27.599 --> 01:04:30.456 would you set KPIs 01:04:30.480 --> 01:04:32.775 for an operational plan if you didn't 01:04:32.799 --> 01:04:35.335 have a waste management strategy already 01:04:35.359 --> 01:04:38.359 in place? And if so, what was the waste 01:04:39.359 --> 01:04:41.575 management strategy at the time that the 01:04:41.599 --> 01:04:44.599 plan was done? Because my understanding 01:04:44.799 --> 01:04:47.799 is that the the KPIs should be 01:04:47.839 --> 01:04:50.696 achievable and they should be based on 01:04:50.720 --> 01:04:53.720 an existing waste management strategy 01:04:53.920 --> 01:04:55.815 plan 01:04:55.839 --> 01:04:57.176 through the CEO. If you have a look 01:04:57.200 --> 01:05:00.200 at the on page I think 79 um the very 01:05:01.200 --> 01:05:03.496 first performance indicator implement 01:05:03.520 --> 01:05:06.295 strategy for the critical way center. So 01:05:06.319 --> 01:05:08.535 we need to develop a strategy on how we 01:05:08.559 --> 01:05:10.535 manage waste across the shore. 01:05:10.559 --> 01:05:12.775 Okay. But was that not done at the time 01:05:12.799 --> 01:05:15.799 that its ability plausibility was 01:05:16.240 --> 01:05:19.240 restricted to taking refuge outside of 01:05:19.280 --> 01:05:20.216 just garbage 01:05:20.240 --> 01:05:22.456 through the CEO? The restriction of 01:05:22.480 --> 01:05:24.295 let's call it bulky waste. 01:05:24.319 --> 01:05:25.095 Yeah. 01:05:25.119 --> 01:05:27.976 Um was not at the crook facility. I 01:05:28.000 --> 01:05:29.815 believe it was more at the remote 01:05:29.839 --> 01:05:32.839 transfer stations based on the cost 01:05:33.680 --> 01:05:36.136 associated with the collection and 01:05:36.160 --> 01:05:38.216 transporting of that waste back to crook 01:05:38.240 --> 01:05:40.936 and then back to Woodlaw W facility. It 01:05:40.960 --> 01:05:42.696 was quite significant cost to manage 01:05:42.720 --> 01:05:43.256 that. 01:05:43.280 --> 01:05:45.496 So two other questions. So just indulge 01:05:45.520 --> 01:05:47.815 me please. That's right. um would it not 01:05:47.839 --> 01:05:50.535 be I first and foremostly I think 01:05:50.559 --> 01:05:52.696 $60,000 is a lot of money for 01:05:52.720 --> 01:05:55.496 consultancy fees and in a world where we 01:05:55.520 --> 01:05:58.520 live in an era of AI and ability to be 01:05:59.680 --> 01:06:01.335 able to extract a lot of good 01:06:01.359 --> 01:06:03.896 information um obviously it needs to be 01:06:03.920 --> 01:06:06.136 substantiated. I think it's an 01:06:06.160 --> 01:06:08.216 extraordinary amount of money and I 01:06:08.240 --> 01:06:11.240 think that it should be a long-term um 01:06:13.039 --> 01:06:14.775 strategic plan that should be put in 01:06:14.799 --> 01:06:17.416 place and that the KPI should probably 01:06:17.440 --> 01:06:19.976 be adjusted until such time as we have 01:06:20.000 --> 01:06:23.000 an inherent waste management strategy 01:06:23.119 --> 01:06:25.575 plan in place. So in other words, it's 01:06:25.599 --> 01:06:28.216 going to take some time rather than just 01:06:28.240 --> 01:06:30.936 indulge in a consultant now which a 01:06:30.960 --> 01:06:33.960 report may take what six 6 to 12 months 01:06:34.000 --> 01:06:35.015 to come into play 01:06:35.039 --> 01:06:37.095 through to three I would say 6 months. 01:06:37.119 --> 01:06:39.416 Okay. So 6 months. So the likelihood 01:06:39.440 --> 01:06:41.976 that your KPIs are actually going to be 01:06:42.000 --> 01:06:43.656 achieved 01:06:43.680 --> 01:06:46.376 would be medium to low. I would suggest 01:06:46.400 --> 01:06:49.400 through the CEO the KPIs are adopted by 01:06:50.400 --> 01:06:51.256 council. 01:06:51.280 --> 01:06:54.280 Yeah. Um, and the development of this 01:06:54.960 --> 01:06:57.960 strategy will go to significantly 01:06:58.640 --> 01:07:01.640 addressing and meeting those KPIs. 01:07:02.319 --> 01:07:04.696 Um, I'm going to make an assumption out 01:07:04.720 --> 01:07:06.936 of that strategy there will be more 01:07:06.960 --> 01:07:09.896 specific recommendations on what we may 01:07:09.920 --> 01:07:11.656 or should implement. 01:07:11.680 --> 01:07:14.535 Um, and that's when we start looking at 01:07:14.559 --> 01:07:17.416 altering those KPIs. And will any of 01:07:17.440 --> 01:07:19.976 those impacts of the assuming that you 01:07:20.000 --> 01:07:21.896 go ahead with the strategy, you pay for 01:07:21.920 --> 01:07:23.976 the strategy, will any of those have an 01:07:24.000 --> 01:07:26.535 impact on res staff resourcing 01:07:26.559 --> 01:07:28.295 through the CEO. I can't comment at 01:07:28.319 --> 01:07:31.319 this stage because the strategy 01:07:31.359 --> 01:07:34.359 doesn't exist. Um we'll be looking at 01:07:34.640 --> 01:07:36.936 all sections of waste management and can 01:07:36.960 --> 01:07:39.960 we implement a 01:07:40.000 --> 01:07:42.856 improve efficiencies across the board. 01:07:42.880 --> 01:07:44.775 Now, with respect to the cost, just so 01:07:44.799 --> 01:07:46.535 you're aware, I have talked to 01:07:46.559 --> 01:07:48.376 consultants before this report. I do 01:07:48.400 --> 01:07:51.335 agree the 60 is at the higher end. 01:07:51.359 --> 01:07:53.416 Now, just because we put 60 doesn't mean 01:07:53.440 --> 01:07:56.295 we'll spend $60,000. Um, but the last 01:07:56.319 --> 01:07:58.136 thing I want to do is say I only need 01:07:58.160 --> 01:08:01.160 $30,000 or $40,000 and then, say, oh, I 01:08:02.400 --> 01:08:04.376 need another 10. 01:08:04.400 --> 01:08:07.400 And last question, I promise. Um, the 01:08:07.920 --> 01:08:10.856 state government circular economy 01:08:10.880 --> 01:08:13.656 philosophy has been out for how long? 01:08:13.680 --> 01:08:15.256 , through the C. I'll have to take 01:08:15.280 --> 01:08:17.096 notice, but it's been out probably an 01:08:17.120 --> 01:08:18.936 estimated guess probably five plus 01:08:18.960 --> 01:08:19.655 years. 01:08:19.679 --> 01:08:22.616 Okay. And we're only now looking to 01:08:22.640 --> 01:08:25.175 adopt a waste management in that. 01:08:25.199 --> 01:08:27.576 Yeah. C can I add some comments? I think 01:08:27.600 --> 01:08:30.135 I can help. First of all, the KPI is to 01:08:30.159 --> 01:08:31.976 produce the strategy. 01:08:32.000 --> 01:08:33.735 Yeah, that's one thing is that actually 01:08:33.759 --> 01:08:35.655 is the KPI. So sometimes they put things 01:08:35.679 --> 01:08:37.175 in there to keep us on track. That's the 01:08:37.199 --> 01:08:39.896 point of KPIs. So the KPI is actually to 01:08:39.920 --> 01:08:41.896 produce a strategy along with other 01:08:41.920 --> 01:08:43.175 things. So I understand why you're 01:08:43.199 --> 01:08:45.896 asking. Um the other um quite major 01:08:45.920 --> 01:08:47.815 point to make on this is that it was 01:08:47.839 --> 01:08:50.456 part of the AEC report um that when we 01:08:50.480 --> 01:08:52.536 did the work with them because obviously 01:08:52.560 --> 01:08:54.456 the final outcomes that they gave were 01:08:54.480 --> 01:08:56.456 from a lot of the input that the council 01:08:56.480 --> 01:08:58.936 executive and management team put 01:08:58.960 --> 01:09:01.960 forward. M so within that although I 01:09:03.359 --> 01:09:05.096 guess that the waste system is always 01:09:05.120 --> 01:09:07.096 seen as being almost separate. 01:09:07.120 --> 01:09:07.896 Yeah. 01:09:07.920 --> 01:09:09.576 Because we have a separate budget for do 01:09:09.600 --> 01:09:11.335 domestic waste management there are 01:09:11.359 --> 01:09:13.416 elements that do bleed into the general 01:09:13.440 --> 01:09:16.440 waste and general budget. So 01:09:16.560 --> 01:09:18.536 so when was the last waste management 01:09:18.560 --> 01:09:21.560 strategy formulated? It's 01:09:21.759 --> 01:09:24.215 through the do we have one? 01:09:24.239 --> 01:09:26.695 I do believe we have one. However, and I 01:09:26.719 --> 01:09:28.056 would like to say this on notes, but I 01:09:28.080 --> 01:09:29.976 will add to it though. I I do believe 01:09:30.000 --> 01:09:32.376 that it was actually produced before 01:09:32.400 --> 01:09:34.536 council resolved to close the landfill. 01:09:34.560 --> 01:09:36.135 That's right. That's right. 01:09:36.159 --> 01:09:38.295 So, that was the point I wanted to make. 01:09:38.319 --> 01:09:39.735 So, thank you. It leads quite nicely 01:09:39.759 --> 01:09:42.295 into it that council did resolve to 01:09:42.319 --> 01:09:45.016 actually close the landfill. Um, and so 01:09:45.040 --> 01:09:46.856 that it means that we're not able to 01:09:46.880 --> 01:09:48.376 actually land all our own waste, which 01:09:48.400 --> 01:09:50.056 is why we've got so many different 01:09:50.080 --> 01:09:52.135 contractors in place because one of the 01:09:52.159 --> 01:09:54.376 contracts is basically hage and then 01:09:54.400 --> 01:09:56.695 we've got another contract that picks up 01:09:56.719 --> 01:09:58.936 essentially the large bulk bins. We have 01:09:58.960 --> 01:10:01.336 another you see what I mean contracts. 01:10:01.360 --> 01:10:03.896 It's very inefficient. Um, and some of 01:10:03.920 --> 01:10:04.776 it 01:10:04.800 --> 01:10:06.936 has been thrown together over the years 01:10:06.960 --> 01:10:09.896 is probably a nice way to say it. And I 01:10:09.920 --> 01:10:11.416 just think we really need to actually 01:10:11.440 --> 01:10:14.135 take stock, have a look. I think fresh 01:10:14.159 --> 01:10:16.056 eyes on it is a great idea. It is 01:10:16.080 --> 01:10:17.736 something that was recommended by the 01:10:17.760 --> 01:10:20.296 consultants by AEC and it's one of the 01:10:20.320 --> 01:10:22.135 things that we've managed to implement 01:10:22.159 --> 01:10:23.896 quite a number of things which have 01:10:23.920 --> 01:10:25.336 helped council improve its cash 01:10:25.360 --> 01:10:26.215 position. 01:10:26.239 --> 01:10:27.576 So I think we need to keep going. We're 01:10:27.600 --> 01:10:29.576 now on the the harder things and this is 01:10:29.600 --> 01:10:31.256 one of the harder things to do but we 01:10:31.280 --> 01:10:32.856 will need some money to be able to 01:10:32.880 --> 01:10:35.655 implement it with specialists. 01:10:35.679 --> 01:10:38.679 Thank you. councelor Phil just by way 01:10:38.880 --> 01:10:41.175 of comment a lot of the waste management 01:10:41.199 --> 01:10:44.199 strategy has had to be developed in 01:10:45.120 --> 01:10:48.120 response to the compliance with EVA 01:10:49.520 --> 01:10:51.976 the closure of this might not have been 01:10:52.000 --> 01:10:54.695 our initial position but there wasn't 01:10:54.719 --> 01:10:57.719 much choice and it has moved very 01:10:57.760 --> 01:11:00.760 quickly to be compliant which cement has 01:11:01.360 --> 01:11:04.056 had an impact on operations as well as 01:11:04.080 --> 01:11:06.456 the collection of waste 01:11:06.480 --> 01:11:09.256 and what was waste is now resource how 01:11:09.280 --> 01:11:11.896 we manage it is an important thing both 01:11:11.920 --> 01:11:14.215 from the philosophical but also the sort 01:11:14.239 --> 01:11:17.239 of perspective as well so I think that 01:11:18.320 --> 01:11:21.175 60,000 might be the top of the amount of 01:11:21.199 --> 01:11:23.816 need but I think it'll 01:11:23.840 --> 01:11:26.135 provide a dividend both in terms of the 01:11:26.159 --> 01:11:29.159 outcome of managing waste but also the 01:11:29.360 --> 01:11:31.496 cost of managing waste 01:11:31.520 --> 01:11:33.096 yeah 01:11:33.120 --> 01:11:34.695 round 01:11:34.719 --> 01:11:36.936 um through the through the mayor to the 01:11:36.960 --> 01:11:38.776 director. you cleared off one thing 01:11:38.800 --> 01:11:41.800 because on page 79 you've done the 01:11:42.000 --> 01:11:44.616 bottom and say anticipated that funds in 01:11:44.640 --> 01:11:47.256 the vicinity of $60,000 will be 01:11:47.280 --> 01:11:49.256 required. You've clarified that. So 01:11:49.280 --> 01:11:50.856 thank you very much. But I just thought 01:11:50.880 --> 01:11:52.776 I would make mention if anyone's reading 01:11:52.800 --> 01:11:55.800 it and see the recommendation where it's 01:11:56.080 --> 01:11:59.080 a fixed amount um it may be a little 01:11:59.280 --> 01:12:02.280 confusing. Secondly, um given the high 01:12:03.280 --> 01:12:06.056 percentage of farmers we have in the 01:12:06.080 --> 01:12:09.080 upper lock on SH, will a program be 01:12:09.760 --> 01:12:12.135 developed and strategy, will that 01:12:12.159 --> 01:12:15.159 include involving the farmers um to 01:12:16.239 --> 01:12:19.239 encourage and educate farming properties 01:12:19.600 --> 01:12:22.600 on um changes to our policy and how 01:12:24.320 --> 01:12:27.256 they individually may be able to 01:12:27.280 --> 01:12:30.215 contribute to reduction. for example, 01:12:30.239 --> 01:12:33.096 even recycling and repurposing green 01:12:33.120 --> 01:12:36.056 waste. There's a lot of that on farm. 01:12:36.080 --> 01:12:38.776 Um, and there's not necessarily a lot of 01:12:38.800 --> 01:12:41.800 that happening. So, um, I guess the 01:12:42.480 --> 01:12:45.480 question is I take it that there would 01:12:45.600 --> 01:12:47.976 be some consulting done from the 01:12:48.000 --> 01:12:50.776 consultant back out to the community on 01:12:50.800 --> 01:12:53.416 how they currently manage waste. But I 01:12:53.440 --> 01:12:56.135 just note in here the green services are 01:12:56.159 --> 01:12:59.159 about $191,000 01:12:59.280 --> 01:13:01.496 pardon me dollars which is um quite a 01:13:01.520 --> 01:13:04.520 bit and the recycling service is 342. 01:13:05.600 --> 01:13:08.600 So um if we're to look at a strategy um 01:13:10.000 --> 01:13:13.000 looking at the town waste as well as the 01:13:14.719 --> 01:13:17.719 town waste in the farm 01:13:17.760 --> 01:13:19.576 through the CA. Yeah. The waste strategy 01:13:19.600 --> 01:13:22.056 will look at the waste generated across 01:13:22.080 --> 01:13:25.080 the SH holistically. will it drill 01:13:25.600 --> 01:13:28.600 down into specific how far should manage 01:13:28.640 --> 01:13:31.640 waste green waste? 01:13:31.760 --> 01:13:34.056 Maybe not. Um it's probably more looking 01:13:34.080 --> 01:13:35.896 at the big ticket items. But if you're 01:13:35.920 --> 01:13:37.576 talking about green waste and what we 01:13:37.600 --> 01:13:40.215 call FOG cuz that that's also coming 01:13:40.239 --> 01:13:42.536 into play. There may be exemptions under 01:13:42.560 --> 01:13:45.560 that legislation. Um but what the 01:13:45.920 --> 01:13:48.776 advantage of FOGO may be is that at the 01:13:48.800 --> 01:13:51.096 moment we're paying high levels to 01:13:51.120 --> 01:13:53.256 transport that waste for disposal at 01:13:53.280 --> 01:13:56.056 landfill. Whereas if there's a regional 01:13:56.080 --> 01:13:58.456 composting facility set up in a closer 01:13:58.480 --> 01:14:01.175 location that cost will be potentially 01:14:01.199 --> 01:14:03.016 less and that's what hopefully we can 01:14:03.040 --> 01:14:05.576 drill down into. So when we have to make 01:14:05.600 --> 01:14:07.336 some decisions, we've got that 01:14:07.360 --> 01:14:09.336 information at hand and we can make 01:14:09.360 --> 01:14:11.976 informed decisions instead of um 01:14:12.000 --> 01:14:13.736 decisions basically on the 01:14:13.760 --> 01:14:16.376 exc. 01:14:16.400 --> 01:14:19.400 Thanks, Mr. Mayor. Um I'm inclined to 01:14:20.080 --> 01:14:23.080 support the recommended option on this 01:14:23.600 --> 01:14:26.600 on this paper. Um I know what 01:14:28.000 --> 01:14:30.456 council mega's several questions earlier 01:14:30.480 --> 01:14:33.336 just alerted me to to something and 01:14:33.360 --> 01:14:36.360 that is um this this this wide ranging 01:14:38.400 --> 01:14:39.736 discussion about the way we deal with 01:14:39.760 --> 01:14:42.760 waste across the sh in no way reflect on 01:14:43.280 --> 01:14:45.576 the staff that operate the waste 01:14:45.600 --> 01:14:47.256 facilities. I think particularly of the 01:14:47.280 --> 01:14:49.175 Brook one at the moment where I take my 01:14:49.199 --> 01:14:51.336 waste, my our household waste about once 01:14:51.360 --> 01:14:53.976 every two weeks and Terry and the team 01:14:54.000 --> 01:14:57.000 there are always fantastic. Um so a 01:14:57.600 --> 01:15:00.376 credit to a credit to that part of the 01:15:00.400 --> 01:15:02.456 council's operations. They're cheerful, 01:15:02.480 --> 01:15:05.480 helpful, um you know always um always 01:15:06.480 --> 01:15:09.016 absolutely wise to deal with. and the 01:15:09.040 --> 01:15:11.256 facilities themselves um those that I've 01:15:11.280 --> 01:15:13.896 seen in Croo in particular you know 01:15:13.920 --> 01:15:15.976 are are clean. the amount of logage 01:15:16.000 --> 01:15:18.056 around the place is limited. they're 01:15:18.080 --> 01:15:19.655 well maintained, but I would any of this 01:15:19.679 --> 01:15:21.336 discussion to think that we are 01:15:21.360 --> 01:15:23.496 reflecting poorly on the ways currently 01:15:23.520 --> 01:15:26.520 operate the existing facilities at all. 01:15:26.560 --> 01:15:28.536 But I but I can see that we do need to 01:15:28.560 --> 01:15:30.695 have this this this this strategic 01:15:30.719 --> 01:15:31.736 look. 01:15:31.760 --> 01:15:33.096 No, thanks for that. And look, just I'd 01:15:33.120 --> 01:15:34.376 just like to add in support for the 01:15:34.400 --> 01:15:36.376 recommendation that I've um listened to 01:15:36.400 --> 01:15:37.976 Penny Sharp, Minister Penny Sharp 01:15:38.000 --> 01:15:41.000 several times and she's in my 01:15:41.280 --> 01:15:44.280 experience one of the more confident but 01:15:44.719 --> 01:15:46.536 a very capable minister who's very much 01:15:46.560 --> 01:15:49.096 across what she does. She's deeply 01:15:49.120 --> 01:15:51.896 concerned by the um you know the area 01:15:51.920 --> 01:15:54.296 she controls because of the problems 01:15:54.320 --> 01:15:57.320 with disposing of waste and and 01:15:57.679 --> 01:16:00.679 obviously Fogo is the latest um 01:16:01.120 --> 01:16:02.456 the big thing that they're trying to 01:16:02.480 --> 01:16:04.776 implement across the state. Um and I 01:16:04.800 --> 01:16:06.695 think it's really important for upland 01:16:06.719 --> 01:16:09.719 that we be seen to be um taking steps to 01:16:11.120 --> 01:16:14.120 to improve the way we deal with waste 01:16:14.400 --> 01:16:17.096 ahead of that legislation. um which you 01:16:17.120 --> 01:16:18.616 know hopefully we can meet those targets 01:16:18.640 --> 01:16:20.776 or at the very least we can be looked at 01:16:20.800 --> 01:16:23.256 sympathetically um if we have some 01:16:23.280 --> 01:16:25.416 exemption for some time for aspects of 01:16:25.440 --> 01:16:28.440 it. Um very good. So look thanks for 01:16:29.440 --> 01:16:32.440 that debate. There is a mentions of two 01:16:32.640 --> 01:16:34.856 options but we've moved and seconded the 01:16:34.880 --> 01:16:36.376 recommendation. 01:16:36.400 --> 01:16:39.400 Um so all those in favor 01:16:40.640 --> 01:16:43.016 thank you. 01:16:43.040 --> 01:16:46.040 Um you councelor 01:16:46.400 --> 01:16:48.056 So we've we better just check that 01:16:48.080 --> 01:16:51.080 again. So four was um yeah and so and 01:16:52.480 --> 01:16:54.456 against was council Harris and council 01:16:54.480 --> 01:16:57.480 me. 01:16:58.719 --> 01:17:01.719 Um so the motion is carried um 01:17:05.199 --> 01:17:08.199 by 62. Yeah. We'll move on to item um 01:17:11.280 --> 01:17:14.280 11.2 two in regard to 01:17:14.880 --> 01:17:17.880 um a proposal memory loan crook. Um the 01:17:18.960 --> 01:17:21.960 recommendation is to 01:17:25.520 --> 01:17:28.376 that that um the DA recommendation is 01:17:28.400 --> 01:17:29.336 generally in accordance with the 01:17:29.360 --> 01:17:31.976 recommendations conditions. Um could I 01:17:32.000 --> 01:17:34.456 have a mover for that motion? Council 01:17:34.480 --> 01:17:37.336 Piercece and seconded by councelor Harris. 01:17:37.360 --> 01:17:39.816 Um, does anyone wish to speak for the 01:17:39.840 --> 01:17:41.896 motion or or have any questions in 01:17:41.920 --> 01:17:44.920 relation to the matter? Um, councelors, 01:17:45.920 --> 01:17:47.736 I just have a question. In the 01:17:47.760 --> 01:17:50.760 recommendation, it basic it says it is 01:17:51.440 --> 01:17:53.816 recommended that the DA denitor be 01:17:53.840 --> 01:17:56.776 approved generally in accordance with 01:17:56.800 --> 01:17:59.800 recommended conditions 01:17:59.920 --> 01:18:01.576 through the CA. The reason we put the 01:18:01.600 --> 01:18:03.175 word generally in there because we have 01:18:03.199 --> 01:18:05.016 to just I'm going to use the word tweak 01:18:05.040 --> 01:18:07.896 a condition. gives that ability to 01:18:07.920 --> 01:18:10.695 change a word. 01:18:10.719 --> 01:18:12.936 Not so we can't go in and delete them 01:18:12.960 --> 01:18:14.376 all start again. It's just we don't make 01:18:14.400 --> 01:18:16.135 a subtle change because we didn't see 01:18:16.159 --> 01:18:17.896 I'll be honest with an error or mistake 01:18:17.920 --> 01:18:18.856 we can just tweet that. 01:18:18.880 --> 01:18:19.736 All right. Well, thanks for the 01:18:19.760 --> 01:18:22.456 clarification. That's important. Um 01:18:22.480 --> 01:18:24.936 counc 01:18:24.960 --> 01:18:27.960 um the trees I'm concerned about almost 01:18:29.840 --> 01:18:32.840 every tree being removed. Um 01:18:33.280 --> 01:18:35.256 this is this seems to be part of the 01:18:35.280 --> 01:18:36.936 course and I know that in future the new 01:18:36.960 --> 01:18:39.960 trees will be planted. The trees along 01:18:40.159 --> 01:18:43.159 Memory Avenue are the cedars were 01:18:43.679 --> 01:18:46.135 planted by the Lions Club and I think be 01:18:46.159 --> 01:18:48.695 well worth and I know in the in the um 01:18:48.719 --> 01:18:50.936 documentation it did say Pearl Street 01:18:50.960 --> 01:18:53.576 but it was in the Avenue planted by the 01:18:53.600 --> 01:18:56.135 Lions Club. be well worth checking that 01:18:56.159 --> 01:18:58.695 that wasn't um 01:18:58.719 --> 01:19:00.695 those trees were not dedicated to 01:19:00.719 --> 01:19:03.336 particular people. 01:19:03.360 --> 01:19:05.896 All right. Well look um well maybe we 01:19:05.920 --> 01:19:08.920 can just make quaries with histo 01:19:13.760 --> 01:19:16.536 given the um director of planning first 01:19:16.560 --> 01:19:18.296 first. Would you like to add anything to 01:19:18.320 --> 01:19:19.816 the report or 01:19:19.840 --> 01:19:22.376 through the co very general terms 01:19:22.400 --> 01:19:25.400 it's a a 19 lot subdivision? 01:19:25.600 --> 01:19:28.456 Um a little bit confusing in the report 01:19:28.480 --> 01:19:30.296 it is basically being developed in 01:19:30.320 --> 01:19:33.320 general terms in two stages. Stage one 01:19:33.760 --> 01:19:36.296 is a four lot subdivision. That's the 01:19:36.320 --> 01:19:37.976 first component with three residential 01:19:38.000 --> 01:19:40.536 lots. Stage of part 1B is the 01:19:40.560 --> 01:19:42.776 construction of the child care center 01:19:42.800 --> 01:19:45.800 with stage two sorry the second stage um 01:19:45.840 --> 01:19:47.496 being the 15 lot residential 01:19:47.520 --> 01:19:49.816 subdivision. It was advertised yes we 01:19:49.840 --> 01:19:51.416 received a number of objections hence it 01:19:51.440 --> 01:19:54.440 coming to council staff 01:19:55.679 --> 01:19:57.976 provided the applicant with the 01:19:58.000 --> 01:20:00.695 objections. they have came back and 01:20:00.719 --> 01:20:03.576 we just addressed those objections and 01:20:03.600 --> 01:20:05.576 staff doing the assessment process 01:20:05.600 --> 01:20:08.600 believe we can um manage or reduce the 01:20:09.600 --> 01:20:12.456 impact of those through the various 01:20:12.480 --> 01:20:14.695 conditions of consent. So that's why we 01:20:14.719 --> 01:20:16.135 recommend the 01:20:16.159 --> 01:20:17.496 Thank you. Does anyone want to speak 01:20:17.520 --> 01:20:20.520 against the proposal or have a question? 01:20:20.880 --> 01:20:22.695 Sorry I have one more question. 01:20:22.719 --> 01:20:23.256 Yeah. 01:20:23.280 --> 01:20:26.056 Through the mayor to the director. Um 01:20:26.080 --> 01:20:28.056 there was mentioned here that additional 01:20:28.080 --> 01:20:30.936 true trees, native trees are proposed to 01:20:30.960 --> 01:20:33.960 be removed and um it talks about those 01:20:34.719 --> 01:20:37.719 trees that have hollows in them. Now I 01:20:37.840 --> 01:20:40.840 know from my upperland care um 01:20:42.640 --> 01:20:44.936 knowledge that trees to get hollows in 01:20:44.960 --> 01:20:47.960 them normally are anything between 180 01:20:48.719 --> 01:20:51.096 and 200 years old. 01:20:51.120 --> 01:20:53.016 those hollows if they're anything like 01:20:53.040 --> 01:20:55.336 the trees on my property hollows you'll 01:20:55.360 --> 01:20:58.135 have different species of parrots 01:20:58.159 --> 01:21:00.776 basically nesting in the different areas 01:21:00.800 --> 01:21:02.456 and I understand that with something 01:21:02.480 --> 01:21:05.480 like this trees may have to be removed 01:21:05.840 --> 01:21:08.056 but there was um discussion about 01:21:08.080 --> 01:21:10.456 putting nest boxes 01:21:10.480 --> 01:21:12.695 um to be installed 01:21:12.719 --> 01:21:15.336 could they not try and preserve some of 01:21:15.360 --> 01:21:18.135 those hollows from those old trees and 01:21:18.159 --> 01:21:21.159 use those as nest next nest nest boxes 01:21:21.360 --> 01:21:23.256 because they are going to be closer to 01:21:23.280 --> 01:21:25.976 the real thing than nest boxes that you 01:21:26.000 --> 01:21:27.976 know typically are not 01:21:28.000 --> 01:21:30.056 through the co um spot on. So in the 01:21:30.080 --> 01:21:31.576 report it actually says that so the 01:21:31.600 --> 01:21:33.096 applicants come back and said we put 01:21:33.120 --> 01:21:36.120 nest box nest boxes in um however staff 01:21:36.239 --> 01:21:37.655 have recommended they actually use the 01:21:37.679 --> 01:21:40.215 hollows of the trees to be a bit more 01:21:40.239 --> 01:21:40.856 realistic. 01:21:40.880 --> 01:21:43.880 Fantastic. 01:21:44.159 --> 01:21:45.976 Um does anyone want to speak against the 01:21:46.000 --> 01:21:49.000 motion or have a question? 01:21:49.760 --> 01:21:51.896 All right. Um, look, it's a quite a 01:21:51.920 --> 01:21:53.655 complicated matter and there has been a 01:21:53.679 --> 01:21:56.376 lot of number of objections and a 01:21:56.400 --> 01:21:59.256 lengthy replies there. So, but if if 01:21:59.280 --> 01:22:00.695 there's no further discussion on the 01:22:00.719 --> 01:22:03.496 matter, um, I'll put the motion that's 01:22:03.520 --> 01:22:05.896 been um, 01:22:05.920 --> 01:22:07.976 moved and seconded. Um, all those in 01:22:08.000 --> 01:22:10.536 favor of that motion. 01:22:10.560 --> 01:22:13.560 Um, I think that's unanimous. So, that's 01:22:13.920 --> 01:22:16.920 approved. Um we'll move on now to item 01:22:17.199 --> 01:22:20.199 11.3 in relation to the upper Lachland 01:22:20.239 --> 01:22:22.135 housing strategy and development control 01:22:22.159 --> 01:22:24.776 planning public exhibition. Um I hand 01:22:24.800 --> 01:22:27.576 over to the sorry yes I'll call for 01:22:27.600 --> 01:22:29.256 councelor England and second by 01:22:29.280 --> 01:22:31.256 councelor Piercece I hand over director 01:22:31.280 --> 01:22:33.816 invol planning just to explain the rale 01:22:33.840 --> 01:22:35.496 there 01:22:35.520 --> 01:22:38.296 Mr. and through the RCO basically 01:22:38.320 --> 01:22:40.376 through our public consultation process 01:22:40.400 --> 01:22:41.976 over the last couple of weeks or last 01:22:42.000 --> 01:22:44.695 week. Um we've received feedback that 01:22:44.719 --> 01:22:46.936 there would be it would be appreciated 01:22:46.960 --> 01:22:49.960 if additional time could be provided for 01:22:50.400 --> 01:22:53.400 residents to provide a response in 01:22:53.520 --> 01:22:56.296 relation to the two documents. We've had 01:22:56.320 --> 01:22:58.456 discussions with our consultant u to 01:22:58.480 --> 01:23:00.536 ensure there's no adverse impact there. 01:23:00.560 --> 01:23:03.560 Um and from staff's perspective and a 01:23:03.760 --> 01:23:05.576 consultant's perspective, that request 01:23:05.600 --> 01:23:07.816 is more than reasonable. And so we 01:23:07.840 --> 01:23:09.655 we're basically saying we're 01:23:09.679 --> 01:23:11.816 recommending we extend it for a minimum 01:23:11.840 --> 01:23:14.376 28 days. And realistically, we're 01:23:14.400 --> 01:23:16.296 looking at mid to late February for a 01:23:16.320 --> 01:23:18.776 closing period cuz you got Christmas in 01:23:18.800 --> 01:23:20.776 between. 01:23:20.800 --> 01:23:22.135 All right. And look, thank you for those 01:23:22.159 --> 01:23:24.135 comments, Mr. Director. And I I just I'd 01:23:24.159 --> 01:23:25.576 just like to reiterate something we did 01:23:25.600 --> 01:23:27.256 say in our outreach meetings around the 01:23:27.280 --> 01:23:29.896 SH that um you know this really is 01:23:29.920 --> 01:23:31.976 they're both very important documents 01:23:32.000 --> 01:23:33.976 and um you know I hate people be coming 01:23:34.000 --> 01:23:35.655 back in 6 months saying you know why did 01:23:35.679 --> 01:23:37.576 you do this or why did you do that and 01:23:37.600 --> 01:23:40.296 now's the time to to be across it 01:23:40.320 --> 01:23:43.096 and um and as I say we can only our 01:23:43.120 --> 01:23:45.736 staff I should say you know can only 01:23:45.760 --> 01:23:48.456 act on your concerns if if you express 01:23:48.480 --> 01:23:50.456 them so please get involved and and give 01:23:50.480 --> 01:23:53.175 us your feedback. 01:23:53.199 --> 01:23:56.199 Councelor 01:23:56.880 --> 01:23:59.880 I think 01:24:02.480 --> 01:24:05.480 thanks Mr. Mayor and thanks Council. Um, 01:24:06.480 --> 01:24:09.016 so I I I support the extension of this. 01:24:09.040 --> 01:24:11.336 , and I think it's the sensible thing 01:24:11.360 --> 01:24:14.135 to do to make this as available to the 01:24:14.159 --> 01:24:16.215 community as as much as is possible. And 01:24:16.239 --> 01:24:19.239 in particular, I'm sorry about this, but 01:24:19.360 --> 01:24:21.256 we advertised the football community 01:24:21.280 --> 01:24:23.655 session at the wrong location. 01:24:23.679 --> 01:24:26.296 Um, and this this happened last time 01:24:26.320 --> 01:24:28.135 when when the first concentration 01:24:28.159 --> 01:24:30.215 happened with the first thing on the 01:24:30.239 --> 01:24:31.816 housing strategy. I turned up to 01:24:31.840 --> 01:24:33.256 Memorial Hall. I thought it had 01:24:33.280 --> 01:24:35.175 finished. I went home was open just 01:24:35.199 --> 01:24:36.776 across the road here but it happened 01:24:36.800 --> 01:24:39.800 again. So extending um extending the um 01:24:40.719 --> 01:24:43.719 the community consultation period for 01:24:44.000 --> 01:24:46.376 both these I think is a very good idea. 01:24:46.400 --> 01:24:49.016 Um and my question I suppose Mr. 01:24:49.040 --> 01:24:50.695 perhaps to the CEO or to the director. 01:24:50.719 --> 01:24:52.215 Hey, will there be another opportunity 01:24:52.239 --> 01:24:54.135 for football residents or people that 01:24:54.159 --> 01:24:56.856 wish to consult through a mechanism to 01:24:56.880 --> 01:24:59.736 have another consultation session? 01:24:59.760 --> 01:25:02.760 um through the CEO if council wishes 01:25:02.800 --> 01:25:05.655 to have another community consultation 01:25:05.679 --> 01:25:08.456 meeting in Crook, we can talk to our 01:25:08.480 --> 01:25:10.776 consultants and see if that's feasible. 01:25:10.800 --> 01:25:12.856 Um, keeping in mind that when it was 01:25:12.880 --> 01:25:15.880 brought to our attention that we did 01:25:16.080 --> 01:25:18.215 place the wrong plate, name the building 01:25:18.239 --> 01:25:20.856 on the advertisement, we did have a 01:25:20.880 --> 01:25:22.856 notice up on that building within 15 01:25:22.880 --> 01:25:25.496 minutes. So, at 4:15, I'll even say 01:25:25.520 --> 01:25:27.655 4:30. , we checked with the library 01:25:27.679 --> 01:25:29.816 whether there were any residents that 01:25:29.840 --> 01:25:31.896 were inquiring as to the location and 01:25:31.920 --> 01:25:34.920 there was nil. Um, however, if it's 01:25:35.120 --> 01:25:37.576 desired to readvertise for another 01:25:37.600 --> 01:25:40.296 meeting at Crook, I'm happy to 01:25:40.320 --> 01:25:41.896 investigate the flexibility of that 01:25:41.920 --> 01:25:44.536 consult. Just very quickly, I'll support 01:25:44.560 --> 01:25:46.456 that notion. We should explore it and if 01:25:46.480 --> 01:25:47.816 we can possibly do it, that would be 01:25:47.840 --> 01:25:49.816 great. Councelor Reynolds, 01:25:49.840 --> 01:25:52.840 um, I too went to Memorial Hall , on 01:25:53.520 --> 01:25:55.416 that day. Unfortunately, I did not see 01:25:55.440 --> 01:25:57.175 the notice, but there were a lot of 01:25:57.199 --> 01:25:59.256 young children practicing CADs, which 01:25:59.280 --> 01:26:02.280 was very, very entertaining. um 01:26:03.520 --> 01:26:05.336 I thought maybe they you know things 01:26:05.360 --> 01:26:08.360 were going to happen later. Um I've I've 01:26:08.400 --> 01:26:11.400 really been very active promoting um the 01:26:11.840 --> 01:26:14.840 um housing strategy and I just wonder 01:26:15.199 --> 01:26:18.199 have we thought of extending to things 01:26:19.120 --> 01:26:21.416 like progress associations 01:26:21.440 --> 01:26:24.440 business associations, environmental 01:26:25.199 --> 01:26:28.199 um groups and so on to engage with 01:26:29.040 --> 01:26:32.040 them oneon one just a personal note 01:26:32.639 --> 01:26:35.576 letter whatever because this document 01:26:35.600 --> 01:26:38.600 having having read it. Um, 01:26:40.480 --> 01:26:43.336 and I'm by no means an expert. It is 01:26:43.360 --> 01:26:46.360 very complex. The detail in it, you have 01:26:46.960 --> 01:26:49.896 to think about and try and imagine how 01:26:49.920 --> 01:26:52.615 it's going to look. And not everyone has 01:26:52.639 --> 01:26:54.215 the ability of doing that. And that's 01:26:54.239 --> 01:26:56.615 why I was looking forward to that um 01:26:56.639 --> 01:26:58.936 session at Memorial Hall because I 01:26:58.960 --> 01:27:01.655 thought that would be one way of doing 01:27:01.679 --> 01:27:03.816 it. But it's when we're going to cast 01:27:03.840 --> 01:27:06.776 the net, those face-to-face 01:27:06.800 --> 01:27:08.296 presentations, 01:27:08.320 --> 01:27:11.320 I think, cut through a lot of the actual 01:27:12.320 --> 01:27:14.376 necessity to read the document, flipping 01:27:14.400 --> 01:27:17.400 backwards and forwards and so on. Um and 01:27:18.560 --> 01:27:21.256 we shouldn't leave out some of those 01:27:21.280 --> 01:27:24.135 groups who can then pass on that 01:27:24.159 --> 01:27:26.215 information to their members and 01:27:26.239 --> 01:27:29.239 particularly at the grassroots level 01:27:29.679 --> 01:27:31.576 through the CEO as part of the 01:27:31.600 --> 01:27:34.600 consultation process staff emailed 01:27:34.880 --> 01:27:37.816 extensively a number of groups across 01:27:37.840 --> 01:27:40.840 the shop. as in I'd have to provide 01:27:41.840 --> 01:27:44.376 the list but there was a list where we 01:27:44.400 --> 01:27:46.296 individually emailed each of those 01:27:46.320 --> 01:27:49.320 groups um even in the report that was 01:27:49.440 --> 01:27:52.296 presented to council in October it is 01:27:52.320 --> 01:27:54.456 there council staff are available for 01:27:54.480 --> 01:27:56.695 one-on-one information centers 01:27:56.719 --> 01:27:59.496 information sessions um unfortunately 01:27:59.520 --> 01:28:01.336 that has not been taken up at this point 01:28:01.360 --> 01:28:03.976 in time um but we as I said we can go 01:28:04.000 --> 01:28:05.816 back out and reinforce that in the 01:28:05.840 --> 01:28:07.496 advertising process 01:28:07.520 --> 01:28:09.256 just one other thing 28 28 days 01:28:09.280 --> 01:28:10.536 obviously it's going to take us through 01:28:10.560 --> 01:28:13.560 to Christmas. Y um so if we're saying 01:28:14.400 --> 01:28:16.456 you know so there's a minimum of 28 days 01:28:16.480 --> 01:28:18.695 everyone switches off you know basically 01:28:18.719 --> 01:28:20.215 from the 3rd of December right through 01:28:20.239 --> 01:28:23.239 to the 3rd of January I think um how 01:28:23.360 --> 01:28:25.576 much further can we push it out to 01:28:25.600 --> 01:28:28.600 enable people to take seriously and 01:28:30.480 --> 01:28:33.480 read it and participate a little more 01:28:33.679 --> 01:28:35.256 um through the C as I said earlier we're 01:28:35.280 --> 01:28:36.615 looking at probably mid to end of 01:28:36.639 --> 01:28:37.496 February 01:28:37.520 --> 01:28:40.520 at this stage if Christmas is All 01:28:41.600 --> 01:28:43.655 right. Thanks, R. Um, 01:28:43.679 --> 01:28:45.336 can I just make a really quick comment, 01:28:45.360 --> 01:28:47.976 please? Um, like councelor Reynolds, I 01:28:48.000 --> 01:28:50.056 found it a really hard read. 01:28:50.080 --> 01:28:52.536 Um, cuz there's a lot of pages, a lot of 01:28:52.560 --> 01:28:54.376 words, and I was asleep within 5 01:28:54.400 --> 01:28:56.615 minutes. Um, I like to think I'm a 01:28:56.639 --> 01:28:58.695 reasonably intelligent person, but it is 01:28:58.719 --> 01:29:01.016 very very complex and it would be 01:29:01.040 --> 01:29:04.040 worthwhile maybe um you as the mayor 01:29:04.639 --> 01:29:07.639 Paul when you do your little visual um 01:29:08.480 --> 01:29:11.096 spill um after each council meeting 01:29:11.120 --> 01:29:13.896 maybe prompting the community to say 01:29:13.920 --> 01:29:16.920 that it is still on exhibition and if 01:29:17.120 --> 01:29:19.016 anyone's got any questions what what 01:29:19.040 --> 01:29:21.655 their outreach is for it because it 01:29:21.679 --> 01:29:24.056 really needs to be summarized 01:29:24.080 --> 01:29:26.856 as you you know, housing strategy DCP 01:29:26.880 --> 01:29:29.175 101. You just need the headline points 01:29:29.199 --> 01:29:32.199 so that people can digest it and take it 01:29:32.480 --> 01:29:35.336 in and be able to arrive provide, you 01:29:35.360 --> 01:29:36.936 know, appropriate feedback cuz it is 01:29:36.960 --> 01:29:38.215 very complex document. 01:29:38.239 --> 01:29:39.736 No, look, I take that on board. That's a 01:29:39.760 --> 01:29:41.816 good suggestion. Um, I guess one thing I 01:29:41.840 --> 01:29:44.376 would say is that, you know, obviously 01:29:44.400 --> 01:29:47.096 we've had the the outreach um not the 01:29:47.120 --> 01:29:49.016 outreach meetings, but the the meetings 01:29:49.040 --> 01:29:50.856 for the the public meetings for this. I 01:29:50.880 --> 01:29:52.456 personally found the presentation that 01:29:52.480 --> 01:29:54.536 we as counselors received which you 01:29:54.560 --> 01:29:56.536 know, probably similar to what the 01:29:56.560 --> 01:29:58.215 public received, you know, cut through 01:29:58.239 --> 01:29:59.496 that really well 01:29:59.520 --> 01:30:01.976 and go some good explanations in a in a 01:30:02.000 --> 01:30:04.695 targeted way. All of these reports are 01:30:04.719 --> 01:30:06.615 very geographically specific. So, if you 01:30:06.639 --> 01:30:08.135 do want to look at your 01:30:08.159 --> 01:30:10.215 just your part of the woods and you can 01:30:10.239 --> 01:30:12.056 go to that section, obviously not the 01:30:12.080 --> 01:30:14.215 DCP, that's more broad. 01:30:14.239 --> 01:30:15.896 But look, good point, Council Megan. 01:30:15.920 --> 01:30:18.456 I'll do what I can to um to make that 01:30:18.480 --> 01:30:19.016 point. 01:30:19.040 --> 01:30:21.736 Very much appreciated. Thank you. 01:30:21.760 --> 01:30:23.175 All right. So, if there's no one else 01:30:23.199 --> 01:30:25.496 speaking for or against the the motion, 01:30:25.520 --> 01:30:28.520 um we will we're looking to extend 01:30:28.639 --> 01:30:30.695 the exhibition period. All those in 01:30:30.719 --> 01:30:32.056 favor? 01:30:32.080 --> 01:30:34.536 Okay, that's carried unanimously. 01:30:34.560 --> 01:30:36.615 Um there's no reports this month from 01:30:36.639 --> 01:30:38.215 the infrastructure department. So, we'll 01:30:38.239 --> 01:30:40.456 move on to the finance administration 01:30:40.480 --> 01:30:42.856 area and the first item is the quarterly 01:30:42.880 --> 01:30:44.776 budget review statement. Um I hand over 01:30:44.800 --> 01:30:47.016 to the director of finance to introduce 01:30:47.040 --> 01:30:47.896 that topic. 01:30:47.920 --> 01:30:50.695 Thank you, Mr. Spe CEO. Um this is the 01:30:50.719 --> 01:30:53.719 first um new template of the 01:30:55.760 --> 01:30:58.760 mandatory information statements 01:30:59.440 --> 01:31:02.440 and some of the changes are obviously 01:31:02.800 --> 01:31:05.496 council reported previously just the 01:31:05.520 --> 01:31:08.520 income and expenses statement at the 01:31:09.360 --> 01:31:11.576 consolidated level. This now breaks it 01:31:11.600 --> 01:31:14.600 down by fund for consolidated general 01:31:14.880 --> 01:31:17.880 fund, water fund and sewer fund. in 01:31:18.560 --> 01:31:21.560 addition to that there is a new um 01:31:22.080 --> 01:31:24.936 developer contributions summary which is 01:31:24.960 --> 01:31:27.960 also provided and it's quite 01:31:30.159 --> 01:31:31.816 interesting you know we've tried to 01:31:31.840 --> 01:31:34.296 report it mostly the consolidated fund 01:31:34.320 --> 01:31:36.856 because there's only limited 01:31:36.880 --> 01:31:39.175 transactions through the sewer and water 01:31:39.199 --> 01:31:41.256 funds and the vegetable waste fund 01:31:41.280 --> 01:31:42.936 automatically 01:31:42.960 --> 01:31:45.960 funnels up to the general 01:31:46.400 --> 01:31:49.400 consolidated fund. Um so the year date 01:31:49.520 --> 01:31:52.520 figures there um pretty um much in line 01:31:52.880 --> 01:31:55.880 with what previous years around what 01:31:56.560 --> 01:31:59.175 what percentages are for both income 01:31:59.199 --> 01:32:01.496 and expenses of both of operational and 01:32:01.520 --> 01:32:04.215 capital nature. And then we also have 01:32:04.239 --> 01:32:07.239 budgeted revotes um that that are in 01:32:07.600 --> 01:32:09.896 there which is bringing together a 01:32:09.920 --> 01:32:12.456 number of around 3.5 million in 01:32:12.480 --> 01:32:15.480 capital income and likewise similar 01:32:17.360 --> 01:32:20.360 in the capital expense for a 01:32:20.719 --> 01:32:22.856 number of projects that includes 01:32:22.880 --> 01:32:25.016 bringing in the the last component of 01:32:25.040 --> 01:32:27.736 the table way project of around 2.5 01:32:27.760 --> 01:32:30.760 million the going flood mitigation works 01:32:30.880 --> 01:32:33.496 and pedestrian crossing lighting works 01:32:33.520 --> 01:32:36.520 across um the school zones and the womb 01:32:37.120 --> 01:32:39.976 caves road u railing station which 01:32:40.000 --> 01:32:41.816 commenced to last financial year but 01:32:41.840 --> 01:32:43.655 obviously need to be brought back in as 01:32:43.679 --> 01:32:46.615 a revote in the first quarter for the 01:32:46.639 --> 01:32:48.615 part of the the project that's grand 01:32:48.639 --> 01:32:51.639 funded. So um that's the major changes. 01:32:52.560 --> 01:32:55.416 So our operational deficit has only 01:32:55.440 --> 01:32:58.440 changed marginally from 2.922 to 2.88 88 01:33:00.560 --> 01:33:03.416 um million. So very little change 01:33:03.440 --> 01:33:06.440 operational result. The cash flow 01:33:06.800 --> 01:33:09.800 position is remained quite healthy. 01:33:11.120 --> 01:33:14.120 We're looking at 39.7 million at the 01:33:14.239 --> 01:33:17.239 30th of September compared to 36.7 01:33:18.400 --> 01:33:21.400 million in the 30th of June. And major 01:33:21.840 --> 01:33:24.056 component of that is I think I've 01:33:24.080 --> 01:33:25.976 alluded to previously was the 01:33:26.000 --> 01:33:27.736 tripartathway agreement the council 01:33:27.760 --> 01:33:30.296 signed up to for the natural disaster 01:33:30.320 --> 01:33:33.096 components of the 50 to 90% completed 01:33:33.120 --> 01:33:35.256 works. We received that funding in 01:33:35.280 --> 01:33:37.576 advance and obviously then the payment 01:33:37.600 --> 01:33:40.600 claims process kicks in and gets reduced 01:33:40.960 --> 01:33:43.256 each quarter as we make those 01:33:43.280 --> 01:33:46.280 payment claims. So um yeah, pretty much 01:33:47.120 --> 01:33:49.736 putting it there that we endorse the the 01:33:49.760 --> 01:33:52.760 revotes and endorse the u summary report 01:33:53.520 --> 01:33:55.576 and happy to take any questions. Thank 01:33:55.600 --> 01:33:57.096 you. Look, just before we open the 01:33:57.120 --> 01:33:59.016 debate, I'll just ask remover of the 01:33:59.040 --> 01:34:00.615 two-part recommendation. Councelor 01:34:00.639 --> 01:34:03.639 Piercece and second council rounds. Um has 01:34:04.639 --> 01:34:06.376 anyone speak before or have questions? 01:34:06.400 --> 01:34:08.296 Councelor Cameron, 01:34:08.320 --> 01:34:10.856 have you speak before? I think it's it's 01:34:10.880 --> 01:34:13.336 exactly as you presented 01:34:13.360 --> 01:34:15.175 presented. I do have a question and it 01:34:15.199 --> 01:34:17.416 goes not so much to the content of the 01:34:17.440 --> 01:34:19.496 process. 01:34:19.520 --> 01:34:22.520 In complying with OG's requirements for 01:34:23.280 --> 01:34:25.576 this revised reporting template, has 01:34:25.600 --> 01:34:28.600 council incurred any additional costs 01:34:28.960 --> 01:34:31.576 from what was previously the cost of 01:34:31.600 --> 01:34:34.135 reporting um through the CEO. So, this 01:34:34.159 --> 01:34:36.776 is a cost shifting question. I wouldn't 01:34:36.800 --> 01:34:38.456 necessarily say I think it's taken 01:34:38.480 --> 01:34:40.695 additional staff time and resources to 01:34:40.719 --> 01:34:42.776 try and amend these templates. We've 01:34:42.800 --> 01:34:45.496 obviously had webinars and across the 01:34:45.520 --> 01:34:48.520 industry um the unrealistic time frame 01:34:48.880 --> 01:34:51.736 of putting this in the issues we've had 01:34:51.760 --> 01:34:53.256 with the templates has probably been the 01:34:53.280 --> 01:34:55.655 biggest cost. So we've given that 01:34:55.679 --> 01:34:58.536 feedback that should have been really 01:34:58.560 --> 01:35:00.695 put in either 6 months earlier or 01:35:00.719 --> 01:35:03.719 delayed further because quite clearly 01:35:04.080 --> 01:35:06.776 there was faults in the design templates 01:35:06.800 --> 01:35:09.576 and and so on. We've we've worked as a 01:35:09.600 --> 01:35:12.600 team to to get and address the the those 01:35:13.360 --> 01:35:16.360 issues and have been you know supportive 01:35:16.639 --> 01:35:19.639 in that process but um yeah really was 01:35:20.719 --> 01:35:23.175 fast track but 01:35:23.199 --> 01:35:25.416 follow 01:35:25.440 --> 01:35:28.440 um thank you for that. Um so a 01:35:29.840 --> 01:35:32.840 comment and a question um the comment is 01:35:33.520 --> 01:35:35.576 I look forward to seeing how's response 01:35:35.600 --> 01:35:38.600 of course you said additional time the 01:35:38.719 --> 01:35:41.719 question goes to um isn't this now in 01:35:43.120 --> 01:35:46.120 place and won't any additional workload 01:35:46.880 --> 01:35:49.096 for you and your team as as we go 01:35:49.120 --> 01:35:51.576 forward so for future reporting yes 01:35:51.600 --> 01:35:53.816 through through the CEO I just make 01:35:53.840 --> 01:35:55.416 there'll be very little changes have 01:35:55.440 --> 01:35:57.816 been made very very clear that it was 01:35:57.840 --> 01:36:00.056 mandatory. So even if your systems 01:36:00.080 --> 01:36:01.896 weren't in place and were challenging to 01:36:01.920 --> 01:36:04.920 get this in the template now, they said, 01:36:05.840 --> 01:36:07.256 "We don't care. You you're going to have 01:36:07.280 --> 01:36:09.016 to do it." So I know some councils 01:36:09.040 --> 01:36:11.416 weren't reporting to this level like we 01:36:11.440 --> 01:36:13.336 previously had and they found it 01:36:13.360 --> 01:36:14.856 challenging some rural councils in 01:36:14.880 --> 01:36:17.336 particular. Um but we were quite well 01:36:17.360 --> 01:36:19.655 advanced and prepared for this. You can 01:36:19.679 --> 01:36:20.776 see it was all coming. 01:36:20.800 --> 01:36:22.296 Yeah. Very. Thanks for that. 01:36:22.320 --> 01:36:24.695 Yes. Um, does anyone else want to speak 01:36:24.719 --> 01:36:26.695 against the motion or have any questions 01:36:26.719 --> 01:36:29.719 on the report? 01:36:29.840 --> 01:36:32.840 All right. Um, we have a a moder and 01:36:33.120 --> 01:36:34.936 a second 01:36:34.960 --> 01:36:36.536 for adoption of that report. All those 01:36:36.560 --> 01:36:38.376 in favor? 01:36:38.400 --> 01:36:40.776 That's adopted unanimously noting 01:36:40.800 --> 01:36:43.175 that council Harris was out of the room. 01:36:43.199 --> 01:36:46.199 Um we move on to um item 14.2 two which 01:36:48.080 --> 01:36:50.936 is the u presentation the financial 01:36:50.960 --> 01:36:53.960 statements which we already had a um the 01:36:54.480 --> 01:36:56.856 presentation earlier from office I'll 01:36:56.880 --> 01:36:58.296 hand over director for any additional 01:36:58.320 --> 01:37:01.320 comments thank you 01:37:04.639 --> 01:37:06.135 I'm sorry the numbering is a little bit 01:37:06.159 --> 01:37:08.215 the numbering is a little bit funny in 01:37:08.239 --> 01:37:11.239 mine it's 14.25 two on 145. 01:37:14.159 --> 01:37:15.336 Okay. 01:37:15.360 --> 01:37:17.336 Thank you. 01:37:17.360 --> 01:37:20.360 yes, sorry. Um so the the motion 01:37:21.840 --> 01:37:24.056 there is straightforward to accept the 01:37:24.080 --> 01:37:26.856 reports. I move for that motion. Move 01:37:26.880 --> 01:37:29.175 councel I believe and seconded by 01:37:29.199 --> 01:37:31.655 councelor S. Yeah. 01:37:31.679 --> 01:37:32.936 Um back to the director. 01:37:32.960 --> 01:37:34.215 Yeah. Thank you Mr. Mayor and for the 01:37:34.239 --> 01:37:35.736 CEO. 01:37:35.760 --> 01:37:38.760 So council has placed on u public notice 01:37:39.199 --> 01:37:40.776 and and advertise through the upper 01:37:40.800 --> 01:37:43.800 office the format that's required 01:37:44.159 --> 01:37:46.936 under the um 01:37:46.960 --> 01:37:49.256 guidelines for the code of the county 01:37:49.280 --> 01:37:52.280 practice. So that's been adhered to. We 01:37:53.199 --> 01:37:56.199 had to um conduct the audit report 01:37:57.520 --> 01:38:00.520 provided by DBY and the audit office. 01:38:02.080 --> 01:38:03.976 very pleasing that we've we're able to 01:38:04.000 --> 01:38:05.816 meet the timelines. Obviously, if you 01:38:05.840 --> 01:38:08.456 don't meet um the 31st of October, you 01:38:08.480 --> 01:38:10.695 are named and shamed in public 01:38:10.719 --> 01:38:13.416 documentation to the parliament from 01:38:13.440 --> 01:38:16.440 office, but they also will provide a 01:38:16.960 --> 01:38:18.456 management letter which council hasn't 01:38:18.480 --> 01:38:20.376 received yet, but it's indicating 01:38:20.400 --> 01:38:22.615 that there'll be lowlevel 01:38:22.639 --> 01:38:25.256 um items that will be addressed there. 01:38:25.280 --> 01:38:27.736 There's a couple of previously 01:38:27.760 --> 01:38:30.760 mentioned items. One was around um asset 01:38:31.119 --> 01:38:34.119 remediation and cyber and some IT 01:38:34.880 --> 01:38:37.880 related DCMP upgrades and the like 01:38:38.400 --> 01:38:39.736 that we're working through at the time 01:38:39.760 --> 01:38:41.816 and addressing through to Eric. The 01:38:41.840 --> 01:38:43.896 audit and risk improvement committee 01:38:43.920 --> 01:38:46.456 obviously reviewed the the financial 01:38:46.480 --> 01:38:48.936 statements. I gave a a summary to the 01:38:48.960 --> 01:38:51.576 last meeting on how we're progressing 01:38:51.600 --> 01:38:54.600 and and the obviously the the large 01:38:55.679 --> 01:38:57.896 operational deficit was significant, but 01:38:57.920 --> 01:38:59.416 there was a number of factors that led 01:38:59.440 --> 01:39:02.215 to that such as the reduced financial 01:39:02.239 --> 01:39:05.239 assistance grants, the large 1.3 million 01:39:05.679 --> 01:39:08.679 disposal of um of infrastructure and 01:39:10.400 --> 01:39:13.095 property assets as well as a write down 01:39:13.119 --> 01:39:16.119 of some of the contingent assets as 01:39:16.320 --> 01:39:19.320 well. So contract assets, sorry. So by 01:39:20.080 --> 01:39:23.080 and large we envisaged that our 01:39:23.360 --> 01:39:24.776 quarterly review as you can see from 01:39:24.800 --> 01:39:26.056 previous report that we've been 01:39:26.080 --> 01:39:29.080 sustained around the um $2 million 01:39:30.400 --> 01:39:33.400 operational deficit mark for the 01:39:33.520 --> 01:39:36.056 current financial year 2526. Hopefully 01:39:36.080 --> 01:39:39.080 that 9 million is quite anomalous. Um 01:39:39.119 --> 01:39:40.936 well that depends and obviously the 01:39:40.960 --> 01:39:42.296 financial assistance grants if they 01:39:42.320 --> 01:39:45.320 still don't pay now 85%. Then that 01:39:46.719 --> 01:39:48.296 will significant change operational 01:39:48.320 --> 01:39:50.135 result but all things being legal 01:39:50.159 --> 01:39:51.976 constrained operational expenses through 01:39:52.000 --> 01:39:54.856 a number of measures in particular our 01:39:54.880 --> 01:39:57.880 employee costs and benefits. So I 01:39:58.159 --> 01:40:00.695 think we are trying to address our 01:40:00.719 --> 01:40:02.296 long-term financial sustainability and I 01:40:02.320 --> 01:40:03.336 think that's acknowledged by the 01:40:03.360 --> 01:40:06.296 auditors as well. And one long-standing 01:40:06.320 --> 01:40:08.776 issue that's still out there is the um 01:40:08.800 --> 01:40:11.095 recognition or non-recognition of RFS 01:40:11.119 --> 01:40:13.496 assets by this council and we're hoping 01:40:13.520 --> 01:40:14.856 that you know state government will 01:40:14.880 --> 01:40:16.776 address that in the short to near term 01:40:16.800 --> 01:40:19.416 through some legislation. So remain 01:40:19.440 --> 01:40:21.896 hopeful in that regard and thank you Mr. 01:40:21.920 --> 01:40:23.496 Director and it certainly appears that 01:40:23.520 --> 01:40:25.016 they're moving that way. So let's hope 01:40:25.040 --> 01:40:26.856 that happens before we get to this 01:40:26.880 --> 01:40:29.095 situation again. Look, I just want to 01:40:29.119 --> 01:40:32.119 comment I did previously thanks the 01:40:32.400 --> 01:40:33.655 finance department for their efforts. 01:40:33.679 --> 01:40:36.376 I'd just like to make the point that um 01:40:36.400 --> 01:40:38.296 this is a big deal like having financial 01:40:38.320 --> 01:40:40.615 statements and qualified and and 01:40:40.639 --> 01:40:43.095 reasonably very positive comments 01:40:43.119 --> 01:40:44.695 from your auditors sort of helps with 01:40:44.719 --> 01:40:47.416 your cost of funding. Um it also helps 01:40:47.440 --> 01:40:50.056 with grants and and in lots of areas. So 01:40:50.080 --> 01:40:51.736 you know well done to the team and and 01:40:51.760 --> 01:40:53.496 hopefully we can continue on that that 01:40:53.520 --> 01:40:56.520 track. Um has anyone got any questions 01:40:56.960 --> 01:40:59.576 of um the report? I suppose we might 01:40:59.600 --> 01:41:02.536 have exhausted those earlier. No, if 01:41:02.560 --> 01:41:04.776 there's no further 01:41:04.800 --> 01:41:07.655 um questions, we'll um put that motion. 01:41:07.679 --> 01:41:10.056 All those in favor? 01:41:10.080 --> 01:41:12.695 Thank you. Dr. We'll move on to item 01:41:12.719 --> 01:41:14.695 14.3, 01:41:14.719 --> 01:41:17.496 which is actually on page 148. And 01:41:17.520 --> 01:41:19.655 excuse me, may I just ask a question. 01:41:19.679 --> 01:41:22.679 The operational plan that's in the 01:41:22.719 --> 01:41:24.456 center here, will we have an opportunity 01:41:24.480 --> 01:41:26.856 to make comments or have we already gone 01:41:26.880 --> 01:41:27.256 past that? 01:41:27.280 --> 01:41:28.936 we did that. Yeah. 01:41:28.960 --> 01:41:31.416 Okay. Sorry. Oh, I missed it, too. 01:41:31.440 --> 01:41:34.440 No, that's what I thought. But I don't 01:41:34.639 --> 01:41:36.056 know whether we all missed it because 01:41:36.080 --> 01:41:39.080 it's all out of sync or 01:41:39.199 --> 01:41:41.496 Well, 01:41:41.520 --> 01:41:43.816 yeah, that's right. I was in there. 01:41:43.840 --> 01:41:46.840 Apologies. Okay, thank you. 01:41:51.360 --> 01:41:54.360 Okay. Um, so as I say, we're up to item 01:41:56.880 --> 01:41:58.615 14.3. 01:41:58.639 --> 01:42:00.376 Um, review of secretary employment 01:42:00.400 --> 01:42:01.816 policy which has got a straightforward 01:42:01.840 --> 01:42:03.976 recommendation to adopt. Can I move a 01:42:04.000 --> 01:42:06.695 further motion move council seconded 01:42:06.719 --> 01:42:09.655 councelor Piercece um over the director of 01:42:09.679 --> 01:42:12.679 finance and I think um see it's quite 01:42:13.520 --> 01:42:14.776 relatively straightforward and the 01:42:14.800 --> 01:42:17.800 change is very marginal just 01:42:18.800 --> 01:42:21.256 contextual and changes legislation and 01:42:21.280 --> 01:42:23.175 the like and references from general 01:42:23.199 --> 01:42:25.655 agency pretty much the basis of the 01:42:25.679 --> 01:42:27.256 change. 01:42:27.280 --> 01:42:28.456 All right. Thank you. Does anyone 01:42:28.480 --> 01:42:29.816 respect for the motion or have any 01:42:29.840 --> 01:42:32.135 questions on the policy? 01:42:32.159 --> 01:42:34.536 secondary employment. I just look at the 01:42:34.560 --> 01:42:37.095 objective um on that. I would say the 01:42:37.119 --> 01:42:38.856 first sentence in the paragraph speaks 01:42:38.880 --> 01:42:41.095 to the objective 01:42:41.119 --> 01:42:43.256 whereas the second sentence speaks to 01:42:43.280 --> 01:42:46.280 the scope of the policy and I would 01:42:46.719 --> 01:42:48.695 prefer for that to be moved down under 01:42:48.719 --> 01:42:51.655 the scope. 01:42:51.679 --> 01:42:53.816 Okay. Yeah. You got any comments on it? 01:42:53.840 --> 01:42:55.416 That's why I'm comfortable with that. 01:42:55.440 --> 01:42:58.440 Yeah. Thank you for input. That'll be 01:42:58.800 --> 01:43:01.800 that will be amended. Um any any further 01:43:02.480 --> 01:43:05.480 questions on the policy? 01:43:07.199 --> 01:43:08.376 Very good. 01:43:08.400 --> 01:43:09.816 All right, I'll put that motion. All 01:43:09.840 --> 01:43:11.896 those in favor? 01:43:11.920 --> 01:43:14.215 Um that's unanimously adopted. And now 01:43:14.239 --> 01:43:16.135 we move on to another policy, the review 01:43:16.159 --> 01:43:19.159 of privacy policy on bottom 14.4, 01:43:20.960 --> 01:43:23.960 which is on um 01:43:25.199 --> 01:43:28.199 homes, I'm guessing. 01:43:29.360 --> 01:43:32.360 Yep. I'll move this with 01:43:32.480 --> 01:43:35.336 a move for the change policy council and 01:43:35.360 --> 01:43:37.256 a second 01:43:37.280 --> 01:43:40.280 councelor Cameron and director I want 01:43:40.320 --> 01:43:42.056 to make a comment on apologies a couple 01:43:42.080 --> 01:43:44.456 there through the CEO just a couple 01:43:44.480 --> 01:43:47.175 things obviously change in the privacy 01:43:47.199 --> 01:43:50.135 um contact officer manager and 01:43:50.159 --> 01:43:52.776 governance was required as well as part 01:43:52.800 --> 01:43:54.776 of policy review there'll be further 01:43:54.800 --> 01:43:57.800 privacy management plan review that come 01:43:58.239 --> 01:44:00.856 through um in a matter of months as 01:44:00.880 --> 01:44:03.880 well. So um for the birth documentation 01:44:04.159 --> 01:44:05.896 that for us meeting our legislative 01:44:05.920 --> 01:44:08.920 requirements over there. 01:44:09.119 --> 01:44:12.119 Thank you. Um is there any comments from 01:44:13.280 --> 01:44:16.280 the floor on on that policy? 01:44:16.880 --> 01:44:18.695 No 01:44:18.719 --> 01:44:20.615 follow up. I'll put that motion all 01:44:20.639 --> 01:44:23.496 those in favor. 01:44:23.520 --> 01:44:26.520 Thank you. We'll move on to item 14 for 01:44:26.800 --> 01:44:29.576 chief executive officer. senior crook 01:44:29.600 --> 01:44:31.736 senior citizens. Um, look, I must 01:44:31.760 --> 01:44:34.760 confess I've um been remiss. I I will 01:44:36.000 --> 01:44:38.215 fill out just right now a non- pecular 01:44:38.239 --> 01:44:39.655 interest on this matter just because 01:44:39.679 --> 01:44:42.679 I've um assisted the senior citizens um 01:44:44.639 --> 01:44:46.695 on on an honorary basis for many years 01:44:46.719 --> 01:44:48.536 just helping them do their reports. Um 01:44:48.560 --> 01:44:50.776 but I'll be declaring that it's a it's a 01:44:50.800 --> 01:44:53.800 non significant 01:44:54.880 --> 01:44:57.655 um item a 01:44:57.679 --> 01:45:00.679 um option A which will be um but um I 01:45:01.600 --> 01:45:03.736 say the chamber participate in a debate 01:45:03.760 --> 01:45:06.135 and vote certainly not a member of the 01:45:06.159 --> 01:45:07.416 committee or anything like that. I've 01:45:07.440 --> 01:45:09.816 just had a lot of interaction with 01:45:09.840 --> 01:45:11.016 them and assisted them with their 01:45:11.040 --> 01:45:14.040 reports. Um so I'll 01:45:15.600 --> 01:45:18.600 go to the report which is um 01:45:23.360 --> 01:45:26.056 166. 01:45:26.080 --> 01:45:28.056 Um and look there's a twopart 01:45:28.080 --> 01:45:30.856 recommendation there which I call for a 01:45:30.880 --> 01:45:33.256 man to that recommendation. Council s 01:45:33.280 --> 01:45:35.416 seconded by councelor Reynold and I'll 01:45:35.440 --> 01:45:38.440 pass over to the CEO for her um comments 01:45:38.560 --> 01:45:41.560 on the board. It's a fairly small and 01:45:42.080 --> 01:45:43.976 self-explanatory report. Essentially, 01:45:44.000 --> 01:45:45.896 the Clubwell Senior Citizens Club, which 01:45:45.920 --> 01:45:47.976 has been around for a very long time. 01:45:48.000 --> 01:45:50.296 Um, they wrote to us recently and the 01:45:50.320 --> 01:45:52.215 letter is attached. Um, and they were 01:45:52.239 --> 01:45:53.336 aware that it was going to be attached 01:45:53.360 --> 01:45:55.256 to this report, just so you know. Um, 01:45:55.280 --> 01:45:57.416 and they've basically said that one 01:45:57.440 --> 01:45:59.976 registered club, so they no longer want 01:46:00.000 --> 01:46:02.376 to have the the management um, for the 01:46:02.400 --> 01:46:05.095 building itself. council for whatever 01:46:05.119 --> 01:46:08.119 reason um although as you've seen stated 01:46:08.159 --> 01:46:10.456 weren't really meant to have any care of 01:46:10.480 --> 01:46:13.480 the building as such we have had care 01:46:13.520 --> 01:46:15.336 meaning that we do maintenance of it but 01:46:15.360 --> 01:46:17.016 not the control meaning that we don't 01:46:17.040 --> 01:46:19.095 rent it out so I'm suggesting that 01:46:19.119 --> 01:46:20.776 council essentially takes on the care 01:46:20.800 --> 01:46:22.615 and control but there's been a cost to 01:46:22.639 --> 01:46:25.496 council anyway we've been m maintaining 01:46:25.520 --> 01:46:28.520 it um so I don't know it would make that 01:46:29.520 --> 01:46:31.816 much difference to council operations in 01:46:31.840 --> 01:46:33.655 fact it may be a benefit benefit because 01:46:33.679 --> 01:46:35.416 then we'll have some the small amount of 01:46:35.440 --> 01:46:37.256 revenue coming in. The building itself 01:46:37.280 --> 01:46:39.576 is hugely underutilized. 01:46:39.600 --> 01:46:41.816 Um and that's really the reason partly 01:46:41.840 --> 01:46:44.536 why the club I think the numbers have 01:46:44.560 --> 01:46:47.095 reduced over the years as unfortunately 01:46:47.119 --> 01:46:49.816 a lot of clubs have. Um and they only 01:46:49.840 --> 01:46:52.776 use the building really for less than a 01:46:52.800 --> 01:46:55.416 day a week. Um so they're suggesting 01:46:55.440 --> 01:46:57.095 that there would essentially be more 01:46:57.119 --> 01:46:59.896 benefit if it came over to council and I 01:46:59.920 --> 01:47:01.256 would suggest which I have done in the 01:47:01.280 --> 01:47:03.175 report. I would envision it becoming a 01:47:03.199 --> 01:47:06.199 community center so that all groups can 01:47:06.639 --> 01:47:09.256 use it and it would be utilized 01:47:09.280 --> 01:47:12.135 more more fully. And the second part 01:47:12.159 --> 01:47:14.936 is essentially the the senior citizens 01:47:14.960 --> 01:47:17.095 club quite rightly said can we protect 01:47:17.119 --> 01:47:19.256 what we have which is our one day a week 01:47:19.280 --> 01:47:21.175 playing 01:47:21.199 --> 01:47:22.776 cards at the moment or they may do 01:47:22.800 --> 01:47:24.215 different things but um 01:47:24.239 --> 01:47:25.816 it's actually a UK 01:47:25.840 --> 01:47:28.840 it's UK by the sound you said that and 01:47:29.520 --> 01:47:31.576 so they're basically asking for one day 01:47:31.600 --> 01:47:34.056 a week so rather than being a fixed day 01:47:34.080 --> 01:47:35.655 which their their letter says on a 01:47:35.679 --> 01:47:37.175 Wednesday but rather than a fixed day 01:47:37.199 --> 01:47:39.416 suggesting that council waves the fees 01:47:39.440 --> 01:47:42.440 for 52 days a year. 01:47:42.800 --> 01:47:45.800 Thanks very much to see you and I think 01:47:46.320 --> 01:47:47.816 council 01:47:47.840 --> 01:47:50.840 I note that that's for a period of 10 01:47:51.280 --> 01:47:51.896 years. 01:47:51.920 --> 01:47:52.376 Yes. 01:47:52.400 --> 01:47:55.400 Is beyond the life of one council. Are 01:47:56.159 --> 01:47:58.936 we lining future councils to them or can 01:47:58.960 --> 01:48:01.175 that be reviewed? I mean it seems that 01:48:01.199 --> 01:48:03.655 if they're looking at one day a week 01:48:03.679 --> 01:48:06.679 well over a certain period not a bad 01:48:06.719 --> 01:48:09.496 thing. So easing them out of the 01:48:09.520 --> 01:48:12.215 responsibilities. But does it restrain 01:48:12.239 --> 01:48:15.239 council for future use on that basis? 01:48:16.719 --> 01:48:18.615 Potentially. My concern was if we only 01:48:18.639 --> 01:48:21.095 put it for say 3 years that the club may 01:48:21.119 --> 01:48:22.456 feel that they didn't have any kind of 01:48:22.480 --> 01:48:25.480 certainty. So on the basis of contracts 01:48:26.000 --> 01:48:27.976 just just for the kind of relative 01:48:28.000 --> 01:48:30.296 number of years we chose 10 years to put 01:48:30.320 --> 01:48:32.695 a period on it rather than really nice 01:48:32.719 --> 01:48:34.135 people, aren't we? 01:48:34.159 --> 01:48:35.175 Yes. 01:48:35.199 --> 01:48:36.536 And Yeah. Yeah, and I was just going 01:48:36.560 --> 01:48:38.856 to say despite them talking about them 01:48:38.880 --> 01:48:40.536 reducing numbers a lot, they still have 01:48:40.560 --> 01:48:43.336 a you have probably got about 16 or 17 01:48:43.360 --> 01:48:45.336 members. It's not it's still not a 01:48:45.360 --> 01:48:47.095 reasonable. 01:48:47.119 --> 01:48:50.119 Sorry, Council. Thanks, Mr. Mayor. Um 01:48:52.320 --> 01:48:55.320 even though we haven't set this to be 01:48:55.920 --> 01:48:58.920 approved, um we haven't yet set a charge 01:48:59.760 --> 01:49:02.760 for the rental of it like we do for 01:49:02.960 --> 01:49:05.960 other um council businesses. Um, do you 01:49:06.480 --> 01:49:09.016 have any idea how much the ongoing 01:49:09.040 --> 01:49:12.040 fee waiver would actually cost the 01:49:12.080 --> 01:49:12.936 council? 01:49:12.960 --> 01:49:14.776 Not at this stage. However, they're only 01:49:14.800 --> 01:49:16.936 proposing their AGM be at the end of the 01:49:16.960 --> 01:49:19.175 year. So, by the time the handover takes 01:49:19.199 --> 01:49:20.856 place, we'd be looking at doing the fees 01:49:20.880 --> 01:49:23.416 and charges at that point anyway. So, 01:49:23.440 --> 01:49:25.496 um, so that's why there isn't a fee in 01:49:25.520 --> 01:49:26.456 there. 01:49:26.480 --> 01:49:28.135 It would be more a goodwill thing. But 01:49:28.159 --> 01:49:29.496 that's really why I've come to council 01:49:29.520 --> 01:49:32.056 because handing over the building is 01:49:32.080 --> 01:49:34.456 almost an operational matter but I felt 01:49:34.480 --> 01:49:35.816 that it was something council needs to 01:49:35.840 --> 01:49:37.576 be involved in as a decision and of 01:49:37.600 --> 01:49:38.936 course the waiver is something that 01:49:38.960 --> 01:49:40.615 council will make that decision about. 01:49:40.639 --> 01:49:43.639 Thank you. Um council planning um like 01:49:44.320 --> 01:49:47.320 council I was concerned that um extended 01:49:47.520 --> 01:49:50.520 10ear period did seem to me to be 01:49:50.880 --> 01:49:53.880 excessive. I want it back to five 01:49:54.159 --> 01:49:57.159 seem to be um more reasonable. 01:49:57.760 --> 01:50:00.135 Um and with the review after that first 01:50:00.159 --> 01:50:02.536 12 months, are they still using it um 01:50:02.560 --> 01:50:05.496 with the capacity? 01:50:05.520 --> 01:50:08.520 we have an obligation to with council 01:50:08.719 --> 01:50:10.456 assets to ensure they're used 01:50:10.480 --> 01:50:13.016 effectively that is grossly 01:50:13.040 --> 01:50:15.736 underutilized at the moment and that be 01:50:15.760 --> 01:50:17.816 true across a number of assets across 01:50:17.840 --> 01:50:19.976 councils across the local government 01:50:20.000 --> 01:50:23.000 area. Um, I would like to see it 01:50:23.679 --> 01:50:26.679 utilized on a a more full-time basis. 01:50:27.360 --> 01:50:30.360 Um, and I understand like the yoga's out 01:50:30.480 --> 01:50:32.215 of there as well as the the senior 01:50:32.239 --> 01:50:35.239 seats. I'm looking then I turn around 01:50:35.679 --> 01:50:37.336 with the involvement with the art 01:50:37.360 --> 01:50:40.360 gallery and with the historical society, 01:50:40.480 --> 01:50:43.016 the the spaces that they're working in 01:50:43.040 --> 01:50:46.040 are grossly inadequate and particularly 01:50:46.080 --> 01:50:48.456 probably for the historical society. 01:50:48.480 --> 01:50:50.776 There's always been a view here that we 01:50:50.800 --> 01:50:53.800 should have a museum. Um, and that 01:50:55.600 --> 01:50:57.576 having that access to that building 01:50:57.600 --> 01:51:00.536 would would would give them access to or 01:51:00.560 --> 01:51:03.560 the opportunity to develop a museum and 01:51:04.000 --> 01:51:06.376 the storage of materials and they've got 01:51:06.400 --> 01:51:09.400 books and papers and and um they've 01:51:10.159 --> 01:51:13.095 got all the former crook gazettes there 01:51:13.119 --> 01:51:15.496 and and so on. Their storage is a bullet 01:51:15.520 --> 01:51:17.816 and they're looking to put things into a 01:51:17.840 --> 01:51:20.840 shipping container which is not suitable 01:51:20.960 --> 01:51:23.736 for archival material. We we will use 01:51:23.760 --> 01:51:26.760 what we've got if we're not careful. Um 01:51:27.119 --> 01:51:29.496 I would like to see that we go out and 01:51:29.520 --> 01:51:31.175 consult 01:51:31.199 --> 01:51:33.576 more broadly with our community to see 01:51:33.600 --> 01:51:36.600 who else would like to use it because um 01:51:37.840 --> 01:51:40.840 I've spoken with some members of the um 01:51:40.960 --> 01:51:43.655 seniors. They said they want access to a 01:51:43.679 --> 01:51:45.016 toilet. They want to be able to make a 01:51:45.040 --> 01:51:46.695 cup of tea and they want space to put 01:51:46.719 --> 01:51:49.719 their card tables up. Um, that's not a 01:51:49.920 --> 01:51:51.655 great deal of space in terms of the size 01:51:51.679 --> 01:51:53.655 of that building. 01:51:53.679 --> 01:51:55.496 So, can we, you know, put somebody else 01:51:55.520 --> 01:51:57.976 in there who's going to be using it on a 01:51:58.000 --> 01:52:00.135 um a larger scale, using the building on 01:52:00.159 --> 01:52:02.135 a larger scale? I'd like to see more 01:52:02.159 --> 01:52:04.695 consultation before we lock in for 10 01:52:04.719 --> 01:52:06.296 years. 01:52:06.320 --> 01:52:08.536 Um so I guess just having a bit of 01:52:08.560 --> 01:52:10.296 knowledge so I would just say that 01:52:10.320 --> 01:52:12.615 obviously the way the operation is 01:52:12.639 --> 01:52:15.639 structured at the moment is that does 01:52:17.679 --> 01:52:20.679 it does allow for casual usage like um 01:52:21.119 --> 01:52:22.856 obviously the senior citizens use it one 01:52:22.880 --> 01:52:25.880 day there is two different yoga groups 01:52:26.080 --> 01:52:29.080 who use it on separate days so 01:52:29.360 --> 01:52:31.416 personally I'm just not sure you know 01:52:31.440 --> 01:52:33.016 getting another if you were to get 01:52:33.040 --> 01:52:34.456 another user permanently that would 01:52:34.480 --> 01:52:37.095 exclude those people presumably and you 01:52:37.119 --> 01:52:39.575 know obviously in your hands but but I 01:52:39.599 --> 01:52:42.135 think gray usage on the days it's not 01:52:42.159 --> 01:52:44.135 used certainly I support but but not 01:52:44.159 --> 01:52:47.016 changing its entire usage council I 01:52:47.040 --> 01:52:49.655 suggest if council supports the 01:52:49.679 --> 01:52:51.976 recommendation that's the first step in 01:52:52.000 --> 01:52:55.000 freeing up the facility for other 01:52:55.040 --> 01:52:58.040 uses notwithstanding that we have some 01:52:58.320 --> 01:53:01.320 causes there in terms of construction 01:53:01.679 --> 01:53:03.976 free up the the facility and the 01:53:04.000 --> 01:53:06.615 obligations of looking after council to 01:53:06.639 --> 01:53:08.856 look at maximizing useful and community 01:53:08.880 --> 01:53:10.456 benefit income. 01:53:10.480 --> 01:53:13.175 Yeah, good point. Um, councelors, 01:53:13.199 --> 01:53:15.896 sorry, just a very quick comment. I know 01:53:15.920 --> 01:53:18.920 a number of people who utilize that 01:53:19.440 --> 01:53:22.376 building now, they look forward to it. 01:53:22.400 --> 01:53:25.400 It's one day a week for mental health, 01:53:25.599 --> 01:53:28.599 for their own entertainment. Um, they've 01:53:29.679 --> 01:53:31.736 contributed a lot to this community over 01:53:31.760 --> 01:53:34.760 their lifetime. and I fully support 01:53:35.599 --> 01:53:36.615 this. 01:53:36.639 --> 01:53:38.215 Thank you. 01:53:38.239 --> 01:53:40.536 just a quick comment. Thank you. Um I 01:53:40.560 --> 01:53:43.416 think it's really admirable that the 01:53:43.440 --> 01:53:46.215 council is looking to take this on um to 01:53:46.239 --> 01:53:48.776 give back to our senior citizens and I 01:53:48.800 --> 01:53:50.936 totally agree with councelor 01:53:50.960 --> 01:53:53.960 Reynolds. This is one day a week um that 01:53:54.320 --> 01:53:56.376 they're going to do what they love to 01:53:56.400 --> 01:53:58.776 do, getting together on a social basis, 01:53:58.800 --> 01:54:01.575 improving their mental health. And you 01:54:01.599 --> 01:54:04.536 know 10 years is 10 years you know like 01:54:04.560 --> 01:54:06.056 I I I don't think we should be 01:54:06.080 --> 01:54:07.896 restricting that back to three or five 01:54:07.920 --> 01:54:10.456 or you know to make my holidays I think 01:54:10.480 --> 01:54:13.016 we should be um supporting our senior 01:54:13.040 --> 01:54:14.376 citizens in the community and I think 01:54:14.400 --> 01:54:16.296 it's very admirable thing and I will be 01:54:16.320 --> 01:54:17.256 supporting this. 01:54:17.280 --> 01:54:19.336 All right thank you. I just mentioned 01:54:19.360 --> 01:54:21.095 council I'm sure I can speak on behalf 01:54:21.119 --> 01:54:22.536 the president of senior citizens. They 01:54:22.560 --> 01:54:24.695 have a Christmas in July and a Christmas 01:54:24.719 --> 01:54:27.016 party every year in one of those hotels. 01:54:27.040 --> 01:54:29.016 I'm sure they be they're always happy to 01:54:29.040 --> 01:54:32.040 take on a gift from cancel 01:54:42.880 --> 01:54:45.256 again. Um is there any further 01:54:45.280 --> 01:54:46.776 discussion on this matter? Are we happy 01:54:46.800 --> 01:54:49.800 with the counselor planning? happy to go 01:54:50.159 --> 01:54:51.496 with the original recommendation or 01:54:51.520 --> 01:54:52.936 anyway you can bring 01:54:52.960 --> 01:54:54.856 I just know I just needed to express my 01:54:54.880 --> 01:54:56.615 concerns you know and and those people 01:54:56.639 --> 01:54:59.016 who originally set that that up you know 01:54:59.040 --> 01:55:01.016 I knew all of those people who set that 01:55:01.040 --> 01:55:03.976 up and u 01:55:04.000 --> 01:55:04.376 yeah 01:55:04.400 --> 01:55:06.695 thank you council say is this the first 01:55:06.719 --> 01:55:09.175 step and then we can we can look to the 01:55:09.199 --> 01:55:11.256 better utilization of it after that 01:55:11.280 --> 01:55:13.016 so we'll put the motion all those in 01:55:13.040 --> 01:55:13.816 favor 01:55:13.840 --> 01:55:16.840 I the motion's unanously carried um 01:55:18.159 --> 01:55:21.159 we'll move on to the reports from 01:55:21.520 --> 01:55:24.520 committees which is on Friday. 01:55:31.280 --> 01:55:34.280 Um noting that um 01:55:35.760 --> 01:55:38.760 in relation to um 01:55:40.719 --> 01:55:43.719 item the loyal income item eight that 01:55:44.000 --> 01:55:47.000 councelor and councelor um Cameron have 01:55:47.760 --> 01:55:49.655 have 01:55:49.679 --> 01:55:52.679 lodged um 01:55:53.280 --> 01:55:56.280 sorry declarations in days. Um, so look, 01:55:57.760 --> 01:56:00.456 I'll first of all ask a mover in a 01:56:00.480 --> 01:56:03.480 second or two to we do have two 01:56:04.000 --> 01:56:05.976 motions to deal with, but we'll first of 01:56:06.000 --> 01:56:08.296 all just look at the general acceptance. 01:56:08.320 --> 01:56:10.776 Um, I'll move for moved by councelor 01:56:10.800 --> 01:56:13.575 Pierce, seconded by 01:56:13.599 --> 01:56:16.599 , councelor Sil 01:56:16.800 --> 01:56:19.016 um to adopt the minutes. So all those in 01:56:19.040 --> 01:56:20.695 favor. 01:56:20.719 --> 01:56:22.536 And then we just look to there's two 01:56:22.560 --> 01:56:25.560 specific motions that we need to adopt. 01:56:27.119 --> 01:56:29.976 one is in relation to the crook 01:56:30.000 --> 01:56:33.000 memorial hall 01:56:33.440 --> 01:56:35.575 management committee 01:56:35.599 --> 01:56:38.215 which has new office bearers as as 01:56:38.239 --> 01:56:40.536 listed up there. President Robert bill 01:56:40.560 --> 01:56:42.776 secretary Margaret and treasurer well 01:56:42.800 --> 01:56:44.936 smart and the nominated committee 01:56:44.960 --> 01:56:46.296 members. Could I have a mover for that 01:56:46.320 --> 01:56:49.256 motion please? 01:56:49.280 --> 01:56:52.280 Moved by council, seconded by councelor 01:56:52.880 --> 01:56:55.880 Cameron. All those in favor. 01:56:56.639 --> 01:56:59.639 And I believe there's a second motion. 01:57:02.639 --> 01:57:05.575 All right. So this is in relation to the 01:57:05.599 --> 01:57:08.599 um item 8 the B wind farm community fund 01:57:09.679 --> 01:57:12.679 grant which um 01:57:14.719 --> 01:57:17.095 we've got the disclosures in relation to 01:57:17.119 --> 01:57:19.816 disclosures. Um, 01:57:19.840 --> 01:57:22.296 so could I have a move for that motion? 01:57:22.320 --> 01:57:24.615 That is council Reynolds and second for 01:57:24.639 --> 01:57:26.536 that motion. 01:57:26.560 --> 01:57:29.016 , council FG 01:57:29.040 --> 01:57:32.040 that that we adopt those grants and 01:57:32.400 --> 01:57:35.095 noting that council cells abstained. All 01:57:35.119 --> 01:57:38.119 those in favor? 01:57:38.320 --> 01:57:41.320 , thank you. That's passed unanimously 01:57:41.840 --> 01:57:44.056 with council cell. 01:57:44.080 --> 01:57:46.936 Um, 01:57:46.960 --> 01:57:49.960 excluding yourself. Um, 01:57:50.639 --> 01:57:53.639 we now will move on to um the notice of 01:57:54.080 --> 01:57:55.976 motion 01:57:56.000 --> 01:57:59.000 um which is number 174. 01:58:06.320 --> 01:58:08.695 So this a motion put forward by 01:58:08.719 --> 01:58:11.256 councelor Rob Cameron. Um I'll hand over 01:58:11.280 --> 01:58:12.936 to councelor Cameron to explain his 01:58:12.960 --> 01:58:15.896 motion. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um, so I'd 01:58:15.920 --> 01:58:18.296 like to provide some background before I 01:58:18.320 --> 01:58:20.456 get to the heart of the motion. Um the 01:58:20.480 --> 01:58:23.480 this this motion to 01:58:23.520 --> 01:58:25.976 get councils a supporting principle for 01:58:26.000 --> 01:58:27.816 a road transport link between the 01:58:27.840 --> 01:58:30.376 northeastern part of the sh is actually 01:58:30.400 --> 01:58:33.400 the area of the sh of teroa and north of 01:58:33.760 --> 01:58:36.760 tero road transport link between 01:58:39.040 --> 01:58:41.816 the way has arisen from discussions that 01:58:41.840 --> 01:58:44.296 have taken place in the tourism and 01:58:44.320 --> 01:58:46.376 economic development section 355 01:58:46.400 --> 01:58:49.256 committee of this council that that 01:58:49.280 --> 01:58:52.280 committee is an advisory council. Um 01:58:53.280 --> 01:58:55.976 our role on that um is to provide 01:58:56.000 --> 01:58:58.615 literally to provide advice to this body 01:58:58.639 --> 01:59:01.336 advice to council on on tourism and 01:59:01.360 --> 01:59:04.135 economic development. So I'm very 01:59:04.159 --> 01:59:05.575 pleased to be able to serve on that 01:59:05.599 --> 01:59:08.456 committee alongside councel Harris, 01:59:08.480 --> 01:59:11.480 councelor Reynolds and I think now four 01:59:13.360 --> 01:59:16.360 four um very motivated, very experienced 01:59:17.520 --> 01:59:19.736 and highly evaluated community 01:59:19.760 --> 01:59:22.760 members. Um and this idea of a road 01:59:23.599 --> 01:59:26.056 transport link for that type of shop in 01:59:26.080 --> 01:59:29.080 motorway has been um discussed in 01:59:29.199 --> 01:59:32.135 very general terms for quite some 01:59:32.159 --> 01:59:35.095 quite some time and certainly for at 01:59:35.119 --> 01:59:38.119 least the last 12 months. 01:59:38.159 --> 01:59:41.159 Um the idea here is that um with 01:59:43.760 --> 01:59:46.760 the with the major road transport links 01:59:48.880 --> 01:59:51.736 to the north to the south and 01:59:51.760 --> 01:59:54.296 to the west and parts in between our SH 01:59:54.320 --> 01:59:56.856 is reasonably reasonably well served 01:59:56.880 --> 01:59:59.256 with major road transport links. But to 01:59:59.280 --> 02:00:02.280 the east, the only really effective way 02:00:02.719 --> 02:00:05.719 for freight and passenger transport 02:00:06.239 --> 02:00:09.239 by road is through through Golden. 02:00:09.280 --> 02:00:12.280 Golden is increasing in size. Um the 02:00:12.400 --> 02:00:15.400 crook road exit from Golden Maril Drive 02:00:16.639 --> 02:00:19.639 out towards this town is going to 02:00:20.080 --> 02:00:21.655 be subject to more and more development. 02:00:21.679 --> 02:00:24.679 We've seen some um development recently 02:00:24.880 --> 02:00:27.880 considered and approved by Morish. 02:00:28.480 --> 02:00:31.175 and that will only increase as 02:00:31.199 --> 02:00:34.199 gold grows. which all of which means 02:00:34.960 --> 02:00:37.960 that um the length of time taken 02:00:38.080 --> 02:00:39.575 for 02:00:39.599 --> 02:00:42.215 the trip to and through gold is going to 02:00:42.239 --> 02:00:44.615 increase. and and as that completes 02:00:44.639 --> 02:00:47.639 the time increases, the cost of 02:00:48.639 --> 02:00:51.256 travel on passenger bases, but also the 02:00:51.280 --> 02:00:54.280 cost of travel for farm inputs 02:00:54.480 --> 02:00:57.256 business inputs into those parts 02:00:57.280 --> 02:00:59.655 of the SH that access that access 02:00:59.679 --> 02:01:01.175 their businesses and farms through that 02:01:01.199 --> 02:01:03.175 part through through through the east, 02:01:03.199 --> 02:01:05.896 but also farm outputs and business 02:01:05.920 --> 02:01:08.920 outputs going to markets and to 02:01:10.080 --> 02:01:12.776 wholesalers or resellers also impressive 02:01:12.800 --> 02:01:15.800 with the increased time. Um so the 02:01:16.080 --> 02:01:17.496 tourism and economic development 02:01:17.520 --> 02:01:20.520 committee has been musing up the idea of 02:01:20.880 --> 02:01:22.615 getting the New South Wales government 02:01:22.639 --> 02:01:25.639 to develop transport from that part of 02:01:25.760 --> 02:01:27.655 the SH to the Him motorway. What I'm 02:01:27.679 --> 02:01:30.679 seeking you all to do today is to do 02:01:31.199 --> 02:01:33.496 nothing more than provide in principle 02:01:33.520 --> 02:01:36.520 support for that for that idea and to 02:01:37.199 --> 02:01:40.056 give the information to the section 355 02:01:40.080 --> 02:01:43.080 to continue considering that idea and 02:01:43.440 --> 02:01:46.440 we're relevant talking to other um 02:01:46.560 --> 02:01:48.536 other organizations and people that 02:01:48.560 --> 02:01:50.615 could be impacted. There's no money 02:01:50.639 --> 02:01:52.536 involved for the council at this point. 02:01:52.560 --> 02:01:55.560 It's obviously a multi- multi-million 02:01:55.679 --> 02:01:58.215 dollar probably multiund million I hope 02:01:58.239 --> 02:02:00.296 here and really belongs to the state 02:02:00.320 --> 02:02:03.016 government but soon we start advocating 02:02:03.040 --> 02:02:05.575 and floating these ideas to um have 02:02:05.599 --> 02:02:07.256 alternative transport routes into that 02:02:07.280 --> 02:02:10.280 part of the SH um the um the sooner 02:02:11.280 --> 02:02:14.135 it could possibly happen. One last point 02:02:14.159 --> 02:02:15.896 before I hand back Mr. there and that is 02:02:15.920 --> 02:02:18.920 really that in terms of time frames I 02:02:19.040 --> 02:02:20.776 think we would be deluding ourselves if 02:02:20.800 --> 02:02:22.135 we were to consider that this was 02:02:22.159 --> 02:02:24.135 anything less than kind of a 20year 02:02:24.159 --> 02:02:26.856 idea. Um it's such a it's such a big and 02:02:26.880 --> 02:02:29.336 expensive proposition. 02:02:29.360 --> 02:02:31.976 Um I just commend the motion to you all 02:02:32.000 --> 02:02:33.976 and hope you would consider it worthy of 02:02:34.000 --> 02:02:35.336 your support. Thank you. 02:02:35.360 --> 02:02:37.336 Very good. So council you'd like to move 02:02:37.360 --> 02:02:38.695 that motion presumably. 02:02:38.719 --> 02:02:39.655 I move the motion 02:02:39.679 --> 02:02:41.736 and we'll call on a second for that 02:02:41.760 --> 02:02:44.215 motion. And like I just mentioned, we've 02:02:44.239 --> 02:02:46.456 we've got a lot of very long-term plans 02:02:46.480 --> 02:02:47.896 we have to produce here in council. So 02:02:47.920 --> 02:02:49.336 there's nothing wrong with having a 02:02:49.360 --> 02:02:52.360 long-term vision. Um so we apologize 02:02:54.159 --> 02:02:56.776 with that. Um right, we've got a 02:02:56.800 --> 02:02:58.376 movement or a second for that motion. 02:02:58.400 --> 02:03:01.400 All those in favor? 02:03:04.159 --> 02:03:07.095 Yeah, we'll withdraw that. I'll just let 02:03:07.119 --> 02:03:09.496 anyone who wish to speak for the motion 02:03:09.520 --> 02:03:12.520 or has a question to to comment. Um, 02:03:12.880 --> 02:03:14.856 councelor. So, 02:03:14.880 --> 02:03:17.880 okay. Um, notwithstanding the virtue 02:03:19.360 --> 02:03:22.360 of the recommendations, I would have 02:03:22.719 --> 02:03:25.016 preferred it to come through advisory 02:03:25.040 --> 02:03:28.040 committee to council as a process so 02:03:28.080 --> 02:03:31.080 that the council could refer to the 02:03:31.679 --> 02:03:33.496 advisory committee rather than coming 02:03:33.520 --> 02:03:36.520 this way. However, it's in practice now 02:03:37.280 --> 02:03:39.896 and I'll um 02:03:39.920 --> 02:03:42.920 ask what's input has there been from 02:03:43.440 --> 02:03:45.336 transport industries and farming 02:03:45.360 --> 02:03:48.360 industries into this and has it been um 02:03:50.159 --> 02:03:51.896 aligned with the regional economic 02:03:51.920 --> 02:03:54.920 development plans and is this really a 02:03:55.599 --> 02:03:58.599 matter for state government to consider 02:03:59.119 --> 02:04:02.119 rather than council advocating for it? 02:04:03.760 --> 02:04:06.760 question. so I think there are three 02:04:07.040 --> 02:04:10.040 parts to that. Um 02:04:10.080 --> 02:04:12.296 02:04:12.320 --> 02:04:15.320 so so part one um I your preliminary 02:04:15.520 --> 02:04:17.416 comments councelor s that you would have 02:04:17.440 --> 02:04:20.440 preferred this to have come from the um 02:04:20.719 --> 02:04:22.776 the community advisory committee well 02:04:22.800 --> 02:04:24.615 it has come from the advisory committee 02:04:24.639 --> 02:04:26.056 and in fact it's in the minutes of the 02:04:26.080 --> 02:04:27.896 advisory committee that you've just 02:04:27.920 --> 02:04:29.976 ticked off on 02:04:30.000 --> 02:04:31.736 um that I will be bringing this to 02:04:31.760 --> 02:04:34.615 council and so it has come through 02:04:34.639 --> 02:04:36.376 that pathway 02:04:36.400 --> 02:04:39.400 um that we haven't spoken to anyone 02:04:40.080 --> 02:04:43.080 about this other than the regional 02:04:43.599 --> 02:04:45.896 development of Australia people in very 02:04:45.920 --> 02:04:48.920 loose terms about how we would go 02:04:50.000 --> 02:04:52.296 about kind of initiating this kind of 02:04:52.320 --> 02:04:54.056 work what what are the steps that are 02:04:54.080 --> 02:04:56.376 required to to have done with transport 02:04:56.400 --> 02:04:58.536 New South Wales we saw regional 02:04:58.560 --> 02:05:01.560 development Australia's guidance on 02:05:01.599 --> 02:05:03.256 that in an informal sense because they 02:05:03.280 --> 02:05:04.856 are plugged into the sorts of things 02:05:04.880 --> 02:05:06.936 that go to regional development 02:05:06.960 --> 02:05:09.256 generally and they were good 02:05:09.280 --> 02:05:11.736 enough to give us one of the more simple 02:05:11.760 --> 02:05:13.736 people to just to provide some general 02:05:13.760 --> 02:05:15.896 advice and that was that was well well 02:05:15.920 --> 02:05:18.776 received by the by the members. 02:05:18.800 --> 02:05:21.416 Um we haven't spoken to any farming 02:05:21.440 --> 02:05:23.256 groups or transport New South Wales 02:05:23.280 --> 02:05:26.280 directly because we were waiting for 02:05:26.320 --> 02:05:28.456 council to say that we support this idea 02:05:28.480 --> 02:05:31.256 in principle and so those sorts of steps 02:05:31.280 --> 02:05:34.056 could follow this decision if it is 02:05:34.080 --> 02:05:37.080 approved. If council here today decides 02:05:37.440 --> 02:05:39.175 that we don't want to support in 02:05:39.199 --> 02:05:41.416 principle this idea and that's what I'm 02:05:41.440 --> 02:05:43.416 asking you to give in principle support 02:05:43.440 --> 02:05:46.440 for that idea then we won't continue 02:05:46.960 --> 02:05:49.960 with those discussions um on a on a 02:05:50.080 --> 02:05:52.376 formal basis. 02:05:52.400 --> 02:05:53.976 I think there is probably enough 02:05:54.000 --> 02:05:56.856 momentum from the community members of 02:05:56.880 --> 02:05:59.880 the um committee however that the idea 02:06:00.080 --> 02:06:02.615 of white die if we don't support it. I 02:06:02.639 --> 02:06:04.135 think we should support and I think we 02:06:04.159 --> 02:06:06.695 should harness the community members 02:06:06.719 --> 02:06:08.936 support for this. and I probably 02:06:08.960 --> 02:06:11.095 should take the opportunity to 02:06:11.119 --> 02:06:14.119 specifically to call out um a local 02:06:14.400 --> 02:06:17.336 businessman architect Doug McIntyre who 02:06:17.360 --> 02:06:18.695 has done an enormous amount of 02:06:18.719 --> 02:06:21.719 preliminary thinking on this idea um 02:06:23.199 --> 02:06:25.496 and has been quite persuasive with the 02:06:25.520 --> 02:06:27.416 rest of the um with the rest of the 02:06:27.440 --> 02:06:30.215 community. that that work that he has 02:06:30.239 --> 02:06:32.456 done off his own bat. I think is 02:06:32.480 --> 02:06:34.456 really valuable and I hope that answers 02:06:34.480 --> 02:06:35.496 your questions. 02:06:35.520 --> 02:06:38.376 Thank you. Um, any further questions I 02:06:38.400 --> 02:06:39.976 think council ran you? 02:06:40.000 --> 02:06:42.856 Um, yes. Um, through the mayor, I was 02:06:42.880 --> 02:06:45.575 actually just going to mention Doug 02:06:45.599 --> 02:06:48.599 McIntyre because this is a vision that 02:06:49.920 --> 02:06:52.135 , he has live with for a few years and 02:06:52.159 --> 02:06:55.095 he has in fact floated it with a number 02:06:55.119 --> 02:06:58.119 of councils and government agencies and 02:06:58.719 --> 02:07:01.719 so on. All of whom have said interesting 02:07:02.400 --> 02:07:05.400 idea, why not? But then it needs to go 02:07:06.079 --> 02:07:09.079 somewhere um for it to have a little bit 02:07:10.000 --> 02:07:13.000 of rigor around it and authority because 02:07:13.679 --> 02:07:16.456 as an individual he has spoken to a 02:07:16.480 --> 02:07:19.016 number of areas. Certainly when we're 02:07:19.040 --> 02:07:21.976 looking at farming obvious coming from 02:07:22.000 --> 02:07:24.615 this area for example going up to the 02:07:24.639 --> 02:07:27.639 the new airport it would save time for 02:07:28.560 --> 02:07:31.175 them to be actually go to go through um 02:07:31.199 --> 02:07:34.135 to the east and straight up to the 02:07:34.159 --> 02:07:36.536 new airport. If we're looking at Terala 02:07:36.560 --> 02:07:39.560 it is a huge game changer for that area. 02:07:40.560 --> 02:07:43.560 So there are a number of of um 02:07:45.199 --> 02:07:47.976 strings to this bow. And from our 02:07:48.000 --> 02:07:51.000 perspective, I think it is um it is our 02:07:52.800 --> 02:07:55.800 job to not only see what we can do 02:07:56.400 --> 02:07:59.256 locally here and now, but to look beyond 02:07:59.280 --> 02:08:02.280 the fence line and see what may happen 02:08:02.400 --> 02:08:05.400 in future and therefore that's why I 02:08:05.760 --> 02:08:07.816 will be supporting this. 02:08:07.840 --> 02:08:10.215 All right. Thanks a council planning and 02:08:10.239 --> 02:08:11.896 I move your question. 02:08:11.920 --> 02:08:14.920 I would suggest that there are already 02:08:15.040 --> 02:08:17.896 um plans in place that hold this 02:08:17.920 --> 02:08:19.976 information that there's a huge 02:08:20.000 --> 02:08:23.000 southeast region plan. Those are getting 02:08:23.679 --> 02:08:26.296 long in the tooth and I um 02:08:26.320 --> 02:08:28.135 notwithstanding that that those plans I 02:08:28.159 --> 02:08:30.215 think they exist. I think this is a good 02:08:30.239 --> 02:08:32.456 idea. This is very specific to this 02:08:32.480 --> 02:08:35.175 region, very specific to the journey 02:08:35.199 --> 02:08:37.736 that you want to take and and for that 02:08:37.760 --> 02:08:40.296 reason I will support the motion. 02:08:40.320 --> 02:08:43.175 Very good. And 02:08:43.199 --> 02:08:46.199 if I can just make some comments. Um 02:08:46.560 --> 02:08:48.695 whilst I acknowledge I've got a bit of a 02:08:48.719 --> 02:08:50.135 different lens on this one. Mhm. 02:08:50.159 --> 02:08:53.159 Um whilst I acknowledge it would open up 02:08:53.199 --> 02:08:56.199 um access through to the Hume Highway 02:08:57.119 --> 02:09:00.119 for farm outputs for businesses, I also 02:09:01.440 --> 02:09:04.055 in the back of my head have go well that 02:09:04.079 --> 02:09:07.079 also allows significant projects to 02:09:07.119 --> 02:09:09.816 bring in their turbines, their solar 02:09:09.840 --> 02:09:12.840 panels, the infrastructure. So my my 02:09:13.199 --> 02:09:15.816 take on this is I'm not against the idea 02:09:15.840 --> 02:09:18.536 in principle, but what I would suggest 02:09:18.560 --> 02:09:21.560 is that this is bigger than the council. 02:09:21.920 --> 02:09:23.416 the council doesn't have the 02:09:23.440 --> 02:09:25.976 operational resources to be able to 02:09:26.000 --> 02:09:29.000 facilitate this at any expense. But if 02:09:29.840 --> 02:09:32.135 there was a state significant project 02:09:32.159 --> 02:09:33.816 planned for that area, which we know 02:09:33.840 --> 02:09:36.840 that there are several, maybe it could 02:09:37.520 --> 02:09:40.456 be developed in context with that as 02:09:40.480 --> 02:09:43.480 part of the approval process to be able 02:09:43.920 --> 02:09:46.920 to facilitate that infrastructure. 02:09:47.280 --> 02:09:49.016 All right. 02:09:49.040 --> 02:09:50.936 Council came in a close to make a 02:09:50.960 --> 02:09:51.736 comment on that. 02:09:51.760 --> 02:09:54.760 Yeah. Thanks. Thanks, Mr. Thanks to all 02:09:54.960 --> 02:09:56.456 council. 02:09:56.480 --> 02:09:59.095 You're 100% right. I mean that's those 02:09:59.119 --> 02:10:01.496 possibilities are all true. 02:10:01.520 --> 02:10:04.520 Um and none of which we should shy 02:10:05.599 --> 02:10:08.536 shy away from um just to to to just to 02:10:08.560 --> 02:10:10.456 talk to one one particular point. Of 02:10:10.480 --> 02:10:13.480 course, this this idea is far beyond 02:10:14.480 --> 02:10:17.480 our our council to to 02:10:17.840 --> 02:10:20.840 I can't see this sort of thing where 02:10:21.199 --> 02:10:23.496 it come to fruition tomorrow to be 02:10:23.520 --> 02:10:25.095 anything less than kind of you know five 02:10:25.119 --> 02:10:28.119 or six or seven or 10 times worth the um 02:10:29.599 --> 02:10:32.599 the this council's total annual budget. 02:10:32.960 --> 02:10:34.936 so you know that that's the scale of 02:10:34.960 --> 02:10:37.960 this kind of project. Um, I just want to 02:10:38.000 --> 02:10:40.536 go back to what I started. Um, I'm 02:10:40.560 --> 02:10:41.976 sorry, just one last thing on that and 02:10:42.000 --> 02:10:44.536 and I very much appreciate the CEO's 02:10:44.560 --> 02:10:46.536 comments at the um at the bottom of this 02:10:46.560 --> 02:10:49.560 paper where um we don't the council 02:10:50.800 --> 02:10:52.776 team doesn't have the resourcing to be 02:10:52.800 --> 02:10:54.215 able to support this kind of thing right 02:10:54.239 --> 02:10:56.695 now. But I think there's enough um 02:10:56.719 --> 02:10:58.456 there's enough capacity within the 02:10:58.480 --> 02:11:00.856 advisory committee to be able to have 02:11:00.880 --> 02:11:03.095 those conversations with those 02:11:03.119 --> 02:11:04.695 groups. Some of which for example 02:11:04.719 --> 02:11:07.719 perhaps also mentioned earlier um and 02:11:08.079 --> 02:11:11.079 then to provide advice back here um to 02:11:11.920 --> 02:11:14.920 then sort of for routine updates. the 02:11:15.040 --> 02:11:17.655 the committee um courtesy of Kathleen 02:11:17.679 --> 02:11:20.679 Bowman's reporting here work provides 02:11:21.679 --> 02:11:23.976 detailed minutes in a very 02:11:24.000 --> 02:11:25.736 structured fashion back to back to 02:11:25.760 --> 02:11:28.135 council. So it's not as if council is in 02:11:28.159 --> 02:11:29.416 the dark about anything that this 02:11:29.440 --> 02:11:31.736 committee is considering 02:11:31.760 --> 02:11:33.655 um and I just get back to that 02:11:33.679 --> 02:11:35.095 original point. What I'm looking for 02:11:35.119 --> 02:11:37.256 here and what the committee is seeking 02:11:37.280 --> 02:11:39.976 is your in principal support for the New 02:11:40.000 --> 02:11:41.575 South Wales government to develop this 02:11:41.599 --> 02:11:44.456 road. Whether that's through development 02:11:44.480 --> 02:11:46.296 through a VPA from a state of community 02:11:46.320 --> 02:11:47.896 development or they just decided it's a 02:11:47.920 --> 02:11:49.256 vote winner and they do it off their own 02:11:49.280 --> 02:11:51.736 batch that perhaps would be a stretch. 02:11:51.760 --> 02:11:54.760 Um but you but but that's a um that's 02:11:55.040 --> 02:11:56.776 that's what I'm I'm looking for that 02:11:56.800 --> 02:11:59.736 first that first support that the 02:11:59.760 --> 02:12:00.936 government of New South Wales should 02:12:00.960 --> 02:12:03.095 develop this. we can't do it 02:12:03.119 --> 02:12:06.055 but in partnership with Willy and Mari 02:12:06.079 --> 02:12:09.079 and which car and Oberon um and 02:12:10.400 --> 02:12:12.215 the various industry groups sectoral 02:12:12.239 --> 02:12:15.239 groups and the like I'm sure that 02:12:15.360 --> 02:12:18.360 um this idea has merit 02:12:21.679 --> 02:12:24.679 one question given you named a number of 02:12:25.360 --> 02:12:27.736 other local government areas and given 02:12:27.760 --> 02:12:30.760 that upon is part of the um a campa 02:12:32.800 --> 02:12:35.800 region joint organization and you know I 02:12:35.920 --> 02:12:37.256 always think that if you take things 02:12:37.280 --> 02:12:39.976 through that organization especially 02:12:40.000 --> 02:12:41.736 at the state level then you might have 02:12:41.760 --> 02:12:44.536 more capability of take being 02:12:44.560 --> 02:12:47.560 attended to rather than just coming out 02:12:48.079 --> 02:12:51.079 of a council meeting without all the um 02:12:51.599 --> 02:12:54.599 buildup work to give it status. I 02:12:54.719 --> 02:12:57.719 mean, if you say that we we look 02:12:57.840 --> 02:13:00.456 towards seeking 02:13:00.480 --> 02:13:02.456 um CGO 02:13:02.480 --> 02:13:05.256 comment on that, then I'd be happy 02:13:05.280 --> 02:13:07.336 with it. But the way it stands at the 02:13:07.360 --> 02:13:09.175 moment, it doesn't feel as though it's 02:13:09.199 --> 02:13:12.199 got the right strategic elements to it. 02:13:13.199 --> 02:13:15.575 That's what we would be developing. 02:13:15.599 --> 02:13:17.896 Oh, well, that's okay. But the the 02:13:17.920 --> 02:13:20.215 motion or recommendation doesn't 02:13:20.239 --> 02:13:23.239 necessarily reflect that. and the 02:13:25.599 --> 02:13:28.599 well to Mr. clarify um to assist 02:13:29.119 --> 02:13:31.256 councelor S and councelor mega get over 02:13:31.280 --> 02:13:33.816 the line here um I would be open to an 02:13:33.840 --> 02:13:35.976 amendment along those lines would you 02:13:36.000 --> 02:13:38.135 consider 02:13:38.159 --> 02:13:41.159 um would you consider amending the third 02:13:41.599 --> 02:13:44.599 the do in the motion approve 02:13:45.520 --> 02:13:48.520 section 352 02:13:49.280 --> 02:13:52.280 such a road link including with the CJO 02:13:54.400 --> 02:13:55.416 something like that 02:13:55.440 --> 02:13:56.776 something along those lines in 02:13:56.800 --> 02:13:58.135 consultation with 02:13:58.159 --> 02:14:00.856 in consultation with I should point out 02:14:00.880 --> 02:14:03.575 that the 02:14:03.599 --> 02:14:05.575 would be affected by this. 02:14:05.599 --> 02:14:06.695 Yeah, that's right. That's not that's 02:14:06.719 --> 02:14:09.719 not the only regional joy organization 02:14:09.920 --> 02:14:11.336 but it would encompass it would 02:14:11.360 --> 02:14:13.575 encompass those and they're all members 02:14:13.599 --> 02:14:15.496 of council I think 02:14:15.520 --> 02:14:18.520 I don't think car is it 02:14:18.639 --> 02:14:20.376 no 02:14:20.400 --> 02:14:23.400 I'm very happy to include that council 02:14:26.079 --> 02:14:29.079 and and other 02:14:30.800 --> 02:14:31.896 very happy to put that in there 02:14:31.920 --> 02:14:33.896 can I ask a question we talking about 02:14:33.920 --> 02:14:36.920 the CJ members or members of the CJO 02:14:38.320 --> 02:14:39.976 CJ because I don't believe that an 02:14:40.000 --> 02:14:42.456 advisory committee can um essentially 02:14:42.480 --> 02:14:45.336 engage with the CJO. 02:14:45.360 --> 02:14:48.360 Well, thank thanks thanks for that. 02:14:48.400 --> 02:14:51.400 very happy to amend that that three 02:14:53.360 --> 02:14:56.360 to to make to make that work. Um, but 02:14:56.639 --> 02:14:58.456 I'm 02:14:58.480 --> 02:15:00.536 appreciate some guidance on that as to 02:15:00.560 --> 02:15:03.560 as to what you think it might 02:15:03.599 --> 02:15:06.599 what what perhaps it should read. 02:15:08.239 --> 02:15:09.175 Well, couldn't you couldn't you just 02:15:09.199 --> 02:15:11.256 have it the same, but but just have the 02:15:11.280 --> 02:15:14.280 council's representatives take the CO 02:15:14.800 --> 02:15:16.695 suggestion either council rights to the 02:15:16.719 --> 02:15:18.615 CO 02:15:18.639 --> 02:15:20.936 explore their buy in for one better term 02:15:20.960 --> 02:15:23.896 or it comes through it council. My 02:15:23.920 --> 02:15:26.536 concern is it's it's very hard to bake a 02:15:26.560 --> 02:15:27.976 cake if you don't know what the 02:15:28.000 --> 02:15:30.776 ingredients are. Right. So for me, it's 02:15:30.800 --> 02:15:33.800 hard to commit to anything in principle 02:15:34.239 --> 02:15:36.376 without knowing the detail of what I'm 02:15:36.400 --> 02:15:37.896 agreeing to. 02:15:37.920 --> 02:15:40.055 So and I know that that hasn't been 02:15:40.079 --> 02:15:42.055 formulated yet and that's the purpose of 02:15:42.079 --> 02:15:45.079 it. It's in principle so it doesn't 02:15:45.599 --> 02:15:48.599 commit us. But I think just coming from 02:15:48.800 --> 02:15:51.800 the upper lan I do agree with council 02:15:52.560 --> 02:15:54.856 cell. I don't often agree with you S, 02:15:54.880 --> 02:15:57.575 but I do on this math. 02:15:57.599 --> 02:16:00.376 That's a win. Um, but I just think that 02:16:00.400 --> 02:16:02.536 we need to have more weight behind it. 02:16:02.560 --> 02:16:05.560 So that's why if it if we do pull in the 02:16:05.599 --> 02:16:08.599 CRJ members as you suggested um the CO 02:16:09.760 --> 02:16:12.760 suggested that it needs to be it just 02:16:12.800 --> 02:16:15.800 needs to have more I don't know 02:16:16.079 --> 02:16:17.736 more weight to it because I just don't 02:16:17.760 --> 02:16:20.760 believe that coming from this council as 02:16:22.000 --> 02:16:24.536 much as I value it and the people in it 02:16:24.560 --> 02:16:26.615 um I just don't think it has enough 02:16:26.639 --> 02:16:29.336 weight 02:16:29.360 --> 02:16:31.976 is yeah sure we just do the wording 02:16:32.000 --> 02:16:35.000 Yeah, thank you. Sure. I was a step 02:16:36.240 --> 02:16:37.335 before that. 02:16:37.359 --> 02:16:37.896 Okay. 02:16:37.920 --> 02:16:40.856 What what my motion was designed to do 02:16:40.880 --> 02:16:43.880 was to give this council's blessing to 02:16:44.319 --> 02:16:46.136 those discussions taking place. 02:16:46.160 --> 02:16:46.856 Yeah. 02:16:46.880 --> 02:16:48.776 And then see if there was the support 02:16:48.800 --> 02:16:51.800 that development. 02:16:52.080 --> 02:16:55.080 So I don't want to car 02:16:55.840 --> 02:16:58.840 the me I I thought um was at risk of 02:16:59.760 --> 02:17:02.455 running off and doing the whole of work 02:17:02.479 --> 02:17:05.479 in a non advisory capacity CEO's points 02:17:06.160 --> 02:17:09.160 um before we had any um before we had 02:17:09.439 --> 02:17:12.439 any kind of intro from here. So so 02:17:12.960 --> 02:17:14.455 that's what I was looking for but but 02:17:14.479 --> 02:17:17.096 I'm very happy to amend that three to be 02:17:17.120 --> 02:17:18.615 quite specific about who you would like 02:17:18.639 --> 02:17:20.535 us to talk to. But I mean, if you think 02:17:20.559 --> 02:17:22.136 it's premature, as you say, they haven't 02:17:22.160 --> 02:17:23.896 got enough meat to the proposal at this 02:17:23.920 --> 02:17:26.535 point. Well, well, it's a it's a it's a 02:17:26.559 --> 02:17:28.056 as I said several times during my 02:17:28.080 --> 02:17:31.080 preliminary remarks, it's a it's an idea 02:17:32.000 --> 02:17:34.535 rather than a fully formed proposal 02:17:34.559 --> 02:17:36.375 because we have a we're thinking about 02:17:36.399 --> 02:17:37.736 it 02:17:37.760 --> 02:17:40.760 and and like I say too, um those that we 02:17:41.840 --> 02:17:44.216 have it is aspirational and those we 02:17:44.240 --> 02:17:47.240 have spoken to can see the vision and 02:17:47.920 --> 02:17:50.136 that's half your battle. 02:17:50.160 --> 02:17:51.816 they can see that there's an advantage 02:17:51.840 --> 02:17:54.695 for them and an advantage for us. So 02:17:54.719 --> 02:17:57.719 it's not just upper Land Shine, but it 02:17:58.399 --> 02:18:01.399 will open up this area. Even transport 02:18:01.599 --> 02:18:04.455 coming down from up north. Yes, they'll 02:18:04.479 --> 02:18:06.856 come through which will get them off 02:18:06.880 --> 02:18:09.736 parts of the Hume and make traffic flow 02:18:09.760 --> 02:18:12.760 a lot easier down towards Narrow and and 02:18:12.800 --> 02:18:14.535 across to the coast. All of those 02:18:14.559 --> 02:18:14.936 things. 02:18:14.960 --> 02:18:17.256 All right, council. So look, we've um 02:18:17.280 --> 02:18:18.936 probably should just move on. So we just 02:18:18.960 --> 02:18:20.856 got to decide whether we we'll leave it 02:18:20.880 --> 02:18:23.256 as just an aspirational statement and 02:18:23.280 --> 02:18:26.280 and foreshadow that going to other 02:18:26.399 --> 02:18:28.535 bodies when it's you know formulated 02:18:28.559 --> 02:18:30.776 perhaps or whether you want to 02:18:30.800 --> 02:18:33.800 I'm very happy if the guest council s 02:18:34.399 --> 02:18:37.399 and other council may have res 02:18:39.200 --> 02:18:41.176 to this par on the screen at the moment 02:18:41.200 --> 02:18:43.976 so current approves the section 355 02:18:44.000 --> 02:18:45.495 juris economic development advisory 02:18:45.519 --> 02:18:46.856 committee council further exploring 02:18:46.880 --> 02:18:49.176 development such including 02:18:49.200 --> 02:18:52.200 specifically with members of the CJO and 02:18:52.559 --> 02:18:55.559 other 02:18:58.000 --> 02:18:59.575 joint organization relevant joint 02:18:59.599 --> 02:19:02.375 organizations 02:19:02.399 --> 02:19:05.399 industry bodies as relevant 02:19:08.240 --> 02:19:10.936 and to report back to and to provide 02:19:10.960 --> 02:19:13.960 advice back to council in due course. 02:19:14.080 --> 02:19:15.415 All right, we're just addressing the 02:19:15.439 --> 02:19:17.096 CEO's comments. We probably just need to 02:19:17.120 --> 02:19:20.120 change it to um 02:19:20.639 --> 02:19:23.639 including um requesting representations 02:19:25.040 --> 02:19:27.335 by now. This is a rack where we had the 02:19:27.359 --> 02:19:29.655 road link and then including 02:19:29.679 --> 02:19:32.679 um yeah leave it as including um 02:19:34.479 --> 02:19:37.176 seeking the mayor or or council's 02:19:37.200 --> 02:19:40.200 representatives to 02:19:45.519 --> 02:19:48.519 to present to the members of the C. 02:19:48.720 --> 02:19:50.455 Yeah. It would need to come through. 02:19:50.479 --> 02:19:50.856 Yeah. 02:19:50.880 --> 02:19:51.896 Essentially the mayor. 02:19:51.920 --> 02:19:54.920 Yeah. Yeah. 02:19:58.160 --> 02:20:00.455 I don't know proper channel to table 02:20:00.479 --> 02:20:03.479 this business. Um so approves the 02:20:04.319 --> 02:20:06.216 section 355 tourism and economic 02:20:06.240 --> 02:20:07.656 development advisory committee of 02:20:07.680 --> 02:20:08.856 council further exploring development 02:20:08.880 --> 02:20:10.216 sector including seeking council 02:20:10.240 --> 02:20:11.335 representatives to present to the 02:20:11.359 --> 02:20:13.016 members of the CJ and other 02:20:13.040 --> 02:20:15.335 organizations perhaps as well as 02:20:15.359 --> 02:20:17.816 relevant industry bodies and to 02:20:17.840 --> 02:20:20.840 advise council in due course. 02:20:21.840 --> 02:20:24.840 , council s council. I'm sorry. No, 02:20:25.280 --> 02:20:26.616 no, that's right. 02:20:26.640 --> 02:20:29.415 Can Can I just Can you go down? So, I 02:20:29.439 --> 02:20:31.736 can have a look at one and two, please. 02:20:31.760 --> 02:20:32.216 Go up. 02:20:32.240 --> 02:20:35.240 Yeah. Sorry. Up. 02:20:36.720 --> 02:20:39.720 That's better. 02:20:40.800 --> 02:20:41.976 Yes. 02:20:42.000 --> 02:20:42.536 Um, 02:20:42.560 --> 02:20:43.896 I still have an issue with the number 02:20:43.920 --> 02:20:45.896 one. Sorry. Cuz I I don't support 02:20:45.920 --> 02:20:47.496 anything in principle until I've got 02:20:47.520 --> 02:20:49.736 facts. I mean, I can't support something 02:20:49.760 --> 02:20:52.760 unless I So, It just I don't know what 02:20:53.520 --> 02:20:55.176 you do with the first point. I mean the 02:20:55.200 --> 02:20:57.096 second point I totally agree with. 02:20:57.120 --> 02:20:59.576 Council supports the concept of the New 02:20:59.600 --> 02:21:00.136 South Wales. 02:21:00.160 --> 02:21:02.216 Yeah. The concept. I mean cuz I do 02:21:02.240 --> 02:21:03.816 support the concept. I understand what 02:21:03.840 --> 02:21:05.176 you're trying to do but I'm not going to 02:21:05.200 --> 02:21:06.856 support the actual principle. 02:21:06.880 --> 02:21:09.096 I believe in principle and there council 02:21:09.120 --> 02:21:11.335 support in principle. The concept of 02:21:11.359 --> 02:21:13.335 the principle. Okay. Fine. That's fine. 02:21:13.359 --> 02:21:13.896 Happy with that? 02:21:13.920 --> 02:21:16.920 I can do that. 02:21:17.680 --> 02:21:19.096 Semantically. I don't think that makes a 02:21:19.120 --> 02:21:20.616 difference. That's an issue for you and 02:21:20.640 --> 02:21:23.640 me to talk about. 02:21:25.359 --> 02:21:28.056 Okay. So, is the 02:21:28.080 --> 02:21:31.080 motion happy? 02:21:31.120 --> 02:21:34.120 exist, 02:21:39.680 --> 02:21:42.680 but I just don't support 02:21:43.760 --> 02:21:44.856 myself. Sorry. 02:21:44.880 --> 02:21:46.696 All right. 02:21:46.720 --> 02:21:49.016 I don't support in principle the 02:21:49.040 --> 02:21:51.656 exploration and and then it's about a 02:21:51.680 --> 02:21:53.736 mechanism you have for that. at the 02:21:53.760 --> 02:21:55.576 moment it's not enough detail there for 02:21:55.600 --> 02:21:58.600 me to feel as though it's got enough 02:22:00.080 --> 02:22:02.696 consultation around it and it's a big 02:22:02.720 --> 02:22:05.720 project I mean a very big project 02:22:06.560 --> 02:22:08.455 and but 02:22:08.479 --> 02:22:10.136 I think 02:22:10.160 --> 02:22:11.016 oh you have 02:22:11.040 --> 02:22:12.776 so you want to take a concept and put 02:22:12.800 --> 02:22:13.335 exploration 02:22:13.359 --> 02:22:16.359 investigation or 02:22:16.399 --> 02:22:18.856 so you have to work out a plan for how 02:22:18.880 --> 02:22:21.576 you do that investigation 02:22:21.600 --> 02:22:24.600 that's what we exploration. 02:22:26.000 --> 02:22:29.000 Just take out the comm. 02:22:29.600 --> 02:22:31.576 So now you've got to see council 02:22:31.600 --> 02:22:33.335 outside. 02:22:33.359 --> 02:22:36.136 So it's interesting councils deal with 02:22:36.160 --> 02:22:38.136 as as councelor Reynolds and councelor 02:22:38.160 --> 02:22:41.016 Harris's views. 02:22:41.040 --> 02:22:44.040 councils if I may counselors Reynolds 02:22:44.560 --> 02:22:46.216 and Harris does that do you think 02:22:46.240 --> 02:22:47.415 reflect the view of 02:22:47.439 --> 02:22:50.216 I don't think that weakens it because at 02:22:50.240 --> 02:22:51.415 the point that we are 02:22:51.439 --> 02:22:52.295 y 02:22:52.319 --> 02:22:55.319 um and given some of the discussions 02:22:55.920 --> 02:22:57.976 that have already taken place we know 02:22:58.000 --> 02:23:00.455 that that there is interest we know that 02:23:00.479 --> 02:23:03.479 there is energy even with with um 02:23:07.359 --> 02:23:09.415 other organizations so I think this is 02:23:09.439 --> 02:23:12.439 fine So the let's just the second are 02:23:14.479 --> 02:23:16.455 happy with the motion that's the the 02:23:16.479 --> 02:23:17.736 issue visual. 02:23:17.760 --> 02:23:20.760 Thank you. All right. Okay. We'll put 02:23:20.960 --> 02:23:23.960 the motion then. All those in favor. 02:23:28.160 --> 02:23:31.160 Thank you. Um we'll move on to item 18 02:23:31.200 --> 02:23:33.415 questions with notice. Um so that there 02:23:33.439 --> 02:23:35.736 was this was deferred but it's now been 02:23:35.760 --> 02:23:38.616 addressed in full for council came in 02:23:38.640 --> 02:23:41.640 relation to the cleaning of public um if 02:23:41.840 --> 02:23:43.016 any of the public are interested in 02:23:43.040 --> 02:23:44.776 this. It's obviously a bit mundane but 02:23:44.800 --> 02:23:46.536 it's a very important issue. Um there's 02:23:46.560 --> 02:23:48.536 a there's a full answer there from the 02:23:48.560 --> 02:23:51.560 CEO addressing um the question. 02:23:52.640 --> 02:23:55.415 So thank you for that response. 02:23:55.439 --> 02:23:58.136 Move on. Um that's the end of our normal 02:23:58.160 --> 02:24:00.616 business. So after call for a mover to 02:24:00.640 --> 02:24:03.096 move out of open council council cell 02:24:03.120 --> 02:24:06.120 and seconded by council Reynolds um 02:24:09.200 --> 02:24:11.656 um yeah we've just moved to come back 02:24:11.680 --> 02:24:13.816 into open council as we've resolved the 02:24:13.840 --> 02:24:16.840 confidential session in that session um 02:24:17.359 --> 02:24:19.256 the recommendation 02:24:19.280 --> 02:24:21.335 which was moved by myself and seconded 02:24:21.359 --> 02:24:23.816 by coun myself to be the council and 02:24:23.840 --> 02:24:26.455 seconded by councelor S was that one 02:24:26.479 --> 02:24:28.616 council delegates the CEO chief 02:24:28.640 --> 02:24:30.295 executive officer, authority to 02:24:30.319 --> 02:24:31.896 negotiate and execute a revised 02:24:31.920 --> 02:24:34.056 agreement with team link and associated 02:24:34.080 --> 02:24:36.536 entities as part of the transcript 02:24:36.560 --> 02:24:39.176 transcript project including shouldn't 02:24:39.200 --> 02:24:41.576 be the other way around. Sorry, with 02:24:41.600 --> 02:24:42.136 transcript 02:24:42.160 --> 02:24:45.160 trans and with the Hume link project. So 02:24:45.200 --> 02:24:48.200 if you swap those please. Um including 02:24:48.479 --> 02:24:50.375 but not limited to road maintenance 02:24:50.399 --> 02:24:53.399 contributions and responsibilities 02:24:53.840 --> 02:24:55.816 water infrastructure 02:24:55.840 --> 02:24:58.696 access and rates and temporary water 02:24:58.720 --> 02:25:00.856 usage where the total value of such 02:25:00.880 --> 02:25:03.880 agreements may exceed a million. Point 02:25:04.160 --> 02:25:05.656 two, the chief executive officer 02:25:05.680 --> 02:25:07.816 provides a high level summary to council 02:25:07.840 --> 02:25:09.976 upon the finalization of the negotiated 02:25:10.000 --> 02:25:11.816 agreements. 02:25:11.840 --> 02:25:14.840 Um and that was approved unanimously. 02:25:16.640 --> 02:25:19.496 that being the last item of business, 02:25:19.520 --> 02:25:22.520 um we'll close the meeting at at 4:15. 02:25:23.600 --> 02:25:25.496 thank you for your attendance and and 02:25:25.520 --> 02:25:27.656 we'll see you again next week. Thank 02:25:27.680 --> 02:25:30.680 you.