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 good morning everybody and welcome to

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 Upper Lachlan Shire Council

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extraordinary meeting for the 8th of

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December 25.

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 I'd just firstly like to read out the

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the standard recital for a council

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meeting we don't have anyone in the

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public gallery at the moment but just 

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for the record  I'd like to welcome

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the public gallery to the ordinary

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council meeting today. Council continues

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Mayor as chairperson is authorized to

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halt meeting proceedings at any time and

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may expel any person who breaches the

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code of meeting practice.

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 statement regarding webcasting and

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accordance with the council's code of

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purposes only. Those in attendance

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today, including councils and staff,

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should refrain from making

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discriminatory comments and by speaking

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at the council meeting, you agree to be

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ensure that if and when you are speaking

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at this council meeting that you are

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respectful to other people and use

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appropriate language. Upper Lachlan

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Shire accepts no reliability for any

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defamatory or offensive remarks or

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gestures made during the course of this

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council meeting.

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please note the extraordinary meeting

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with council shall deal only with

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councilors considering the changes to 

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the swimming pool charges and the Gunning

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pool charges

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 following  this being put out on

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public exhibition  20 around 30 days

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ago. So that's just the one item of

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business acknowledgement of country. 

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I'd like to acknowledge and pay our

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respects to the Aboriginal leaders both

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past and present as well as emerging

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leaders and acknowledge the traditional

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custodians of the land on which we meet

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today.

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 in terms of attendances today we have

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 seven counselors and further

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counselor I'll be pardon got that wrong

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six counselors present physically and

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two  remotely councelor Harrison and

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councelor Cameron and we have an apology

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from  councelor Yallouris

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could I ask for 

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you receive

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councelor Searl move that way and

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seconded by councel Reynolds all those

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in favor aye.

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aye.

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Thank youI have no declarations of

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interest and as I say the only item of

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business is the swim charges. There's

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no presentations or any other matters.

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All right. So we'll move on to

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 the business of the meeting. I note

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that the

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 notice of of meeting  was issued on

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the 3rd of December signed by myself and

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and  councelor Flanagan and 

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councelor Cameron. So due notice has

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been given  and we move on to the

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 item 1.1 which is the report in

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relation to the pool fees for Gunning and

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Crookwell we've got a three-part

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resolution there which is largely in

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line with  previous business. So, I

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firstly call for a a mover for that

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motion, councelor Pierce and seconded by

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councelor Flanagan I might hand over

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to the CEO for any explanatory comments.

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Yep. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. So, recall on

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the 4th of November, council's met an

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extraordinary meeting to discuss

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swimming pool fees and that is for the

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whole Shire. So that's Crockwell and

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Gunning Pools  with a view to reduce

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the fees down for this period if nothing

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else. So  this recommendation is in

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line with  those fees that were put

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out on exhibition for the community to

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make comment on. We received only one

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formal comment or formal submission

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sorry there may have been comments on

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Facebook but for the community and for

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councilors Facebook is not an official

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way to make a submission. So we only

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received one which was supportive of

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reducing the fees down we received a

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further two  that were prior to this

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going to council and they were really

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partly relating to the  the fees and

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the equipment and infrastructure out

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mostly Gunning. So they they weren't

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really in line with this. That's just to

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make that really clear. The the only

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change to this recommendation

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is that if  purchasing a family pass,

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so a season family pass, which is two

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adults and three children, which was

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proposed to be $175, the only thing is

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in addition to that, which is an

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additional child be at $48. So that's in

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line with  the other fees where an

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additional additional child to a family

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even day pass was a slightly lower rate

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than what it was for a child on their

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own and we felt that that was

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appropriate and that would be while

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purchasing the pass for a larger family,

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not later on, just at the actual time.

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So, if a going to purchase a child pass,

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a season pass, it would be at the

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concession charge if it was standalone,

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which is $65. And you'll see in the

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report, I've tried to put a little bit

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of a definition around what a school is,

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a school child, and what a concession

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is, just for clarity for people. So

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apart from that it's pretty

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self-explanatory and it's in line with

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what went out on exhibition.

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 thanks very much to the CEO.

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 would anyone like to speak for the

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motion  or have any questions on the

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business?

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Council Searl.

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Thank you, Mayor Just clarification about

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the  when the child sees being a child

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becomes an adult  and I know it's not

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noted in the recommendation but 

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having looked at  the definition of

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child in Australia is  up to the age

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of of 18 or

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from day before you become 19 so 18 is

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the last year of childhood in terms of

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people having a recognition of that it's

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perhaps important you given some

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clarification to  school  attendees

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up to the age of 18, but

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 the definition of child in Australia

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is still up to 18.

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Yep. So, counselor in line with that 

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because that's what I searched for. I

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obviously had a look to see what other

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areas defined child as and I placed that

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as being in the report that it's

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persons under the age of 18 and in

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full-time education. So, I think it

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should be the two.

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Yeah. So if you're working, if you were

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17, left school and working, you're

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not a child under that definition.

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Yeah.

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 look, I'm sorry I missed councelor

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Cameron. I think  please councelor

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Cameron, please.

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Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I have one query

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in relation to the third  sub

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recommendation that's  we pause

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it is the  it's the point that says

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that  that fees it's the intent is

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that the point is that season passes

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purchased before this decision will not

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be reimbursed and and I think that's

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 that's the intent of the clause but

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but the language that says  will not

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be reimbursed retrospectively prior to

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the 8th of December 2025 as that final

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clause in that sentence.

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 could inadvertently be read I think

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as saying that they will meet after the

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8th of December and I don't think

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that's what is meant by by the CEO I

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 I am compelled to say I feel I'm

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certain that that is what he's meant

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even though I don't for a second think

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it's beyond the the width or the

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capability of the council to actually

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reimburse those season passes. I

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understand the logic though and I'm

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prepared to support what I think is the

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intent. I just wonder if it might be

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clearer,

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Mr. But Mayor, if we just deleted that

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that very final five words prior to the

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8th of December just said it just said

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will not be reimbursed retrospectively

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just for absolute clarity.

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 look, I think it's a good point 

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councelor Cameron that does 

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potentially read that way. You happy

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with that to the CEO?

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Yeah, I'm happy with that. I just tried

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to make it was the the same sentence

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that was used in the last council

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meeting, the last extra meeting.

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However, I was trying to update it so it

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would be from the point that these fees

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become live should you wish to go with

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the recommendation. But but you're

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right, councelor removing prior to the

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8th of December would make no difference

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really. So from the point of the

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resolution that would become live

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anyway.

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All right. So maybe it's just pertinent

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given that point just to restate a

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couple of things that are obviously in

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the report but just to be clear  this

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does relate to both Gunning and Crookwell

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and although we passed this schedule of

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fees we put this forward nearly a month

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ago now  it would only be effective

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today if this motion is passed and

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obviously what we're saying is that the

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existing fees and charges operated up

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until yesterday and should this be

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approved this new schedule will begin

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after that and there'll no changes in

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between the two. Um, thank you. Has

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anyone else got want to speak against

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the motion or or have any questions on

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the on the matter?

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 there's a spelling mistake on

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 options on page six

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very final point all instead.

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Oh yeah, we'll update the report.

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A lot of years from the church.

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Yes.

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Tippy touching.

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No, it doesn't.

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Different word, different lens.

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All right. Well, look, , if there's no

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further debate I think we'll just

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put the motion if we could all

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those in favor?

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 yep. Two remotes. So, that's 

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unanimously adopted by the eight

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councilors present.

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 that being the only item of

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business we'll close the meeting

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now. I think it's about 9.

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no, two 10.

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Yeah, my mistake so thank you for

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your attendance and  we'll close the

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meeting at that point. Thank you.