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Right. Welcome welcome everyone to the

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 Upper Lachlan Shire council meeting of

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Thursday 18th of December firstly in

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relation to public gallery I'd like to

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welcome the public gallery to the

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ordinary council meeting today. Council

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continues to webcast council meetings to

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the public where persons may watch from

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the comfort of their home. A reminder to

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all persons present in the public

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gallery. They are requested to refrain

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from making any comments to the

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counselors or speaking during the

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meeting and to be respectful at all

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times. The public gallery is present to

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watch the meeting but cannot participate

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in the debate or inject interject in any

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way to meeting proceedings. The mayor as

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chairperson is authorized to halt

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meeting proceedings at any time and may

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expel any person who breaches the code

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of meeting practice. Mayoral statement 

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in relation to council meeting and

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webcasting. This council's meeting is

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being webcast and audio recorded in

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accordance with the council's code of

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meeting practice. An audio recording is

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made for administrative purposes only.

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Those in attendance today, including

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councilors and staff, should refrain

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from making defamatory comments and by

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speaking at the council meeting  you

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agree to be audio recorded and webcast.

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Please ensure that if and when you are

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speaking at this council meeting that

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you are respectful to other people and

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use appropriate language. Upon accepts

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no liability for any defamatory or

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offensive remarks or gestures made

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during the course of this council

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meeting.

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 in today's meeting we have some

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confidential reports please note

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that at this 18th December council

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meeting there two confidential reports.

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Item 19.1 the performance review of the

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audit risk and investment committee

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independent  committee members. This

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report is considered to be confidential

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in accordance with section 10A 2/2A of

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the local government act 93 as they

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relate to personal matters concerning

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particular individuals. Item 19.2 legal

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proceedings report. This report is

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considered to be confidential in

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accordance with section 10A 2-2G of the

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Local Government Act 93 as advice

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concerning litigation or advice that

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would otherwise be privileged from

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production in legal proceedings. Council

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also at the end

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at the end of the meeting will formally

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accept the recipients

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 of the Australia Day Awards.

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 yeah sorry  so at this time

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the public gallery will be closed and

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council's webcast and audio recording

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will be paused until the matter is

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resolved.

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Sorry. Yep. That's all not necessary

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acknowledgement of country I'd like

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to acknowledge and pay our respects to

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the Aboriginal Elders both past present

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past and present as well as emerging

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leaders and acknowledge the traditional

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custodians of the land on which we meet

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today. at today's meeting we have 

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no apologies. We have a full complement

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of counselors in terms of

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declarations of interest  we have a

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declaration from councelor Cameron in

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relation to item 16.1.1

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 reports reports of committees from

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Crookwell Art GHallery where he selected

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option E to make a declaration stay in

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the chamber not participate in debate

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and not vote councelor

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Flanagan has also made a declaration, a

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non-significant declaration on relation

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to item 11.2 and she selected option A

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that's in relation to the 4273 Golden

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Road matter option A make a

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declaration, stay in the chamber,

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participate in the debate and vote.

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so at this point  I would just like

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to  make a a comment  at the start

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of the meeting  in relation to the

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events that happened last Sunday, the

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horrible events in Sydney where 

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significant number of people lost their

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lives. there's been a you know wide

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outpouring

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of support for all the people

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involved in that and general 

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 you know the whole community has been

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taken back but something like that could

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happen in in Australia but you know

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it is rally and we'll we'll do whatever

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we can to to help that not to

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happen again. I just mentioned that I

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did put a call in to Mr. Will Nemesh who's

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the mayor of Waverley Council, he's obviously

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getting thousands of phone calls, no

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doubt, but just to offer him our council

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support and in fact New South Wales

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local government has also asked all

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councils to contribute a  you know

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their solidarity  with the  Shire of

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Waverley which we've also done and I've

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indicated to Daraski Bern who's the new

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chairperson of in West of New South he's

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the Mayor of inner west and also the

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chair of local of New South Wales that

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our council stands with the community of

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Bondi and  offers our deepest

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condolences to everyone who's involved.

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 in our local area, we've had our 

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flags are half mast during the week 

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as just a  sign of respect for  all

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the  unfortunately funerals that are

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taking place at the moment in relation

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to that. So look, that being 

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the case, it's been a terribly 

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significant event across the country

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that we wish  hadn't happened. I 

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would ask you all to be upstanding and

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we'll 

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reserve a minute. So before we do, I'll

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just also mention that we have had some

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significant members of our community

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pass away  this month, which we'll

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also remember but this is primarily

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to do with supporting the people whose

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lives were cut short in Bondi. Thank

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you.

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Well, I think thank you everyone.

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 today we have  no citizenship

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ceremonies

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pass by that. 

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we'll move on to the

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move on to the confirmation of minutes

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which is on page we've actually got two

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lots of minutes this meeting and we'll

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move on to page 12 which was the order

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minutes of the November meeting. Could I

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have a mover to accept move by councelor

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Searl and second by councelor Reynolds 

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is there any discussion on those

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minutes? All those in favor I

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 the second minutes is the

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extraordinary meeting of council on the

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8th of December in relation to the pool

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prices. Could I have a move for

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acceptance of those minutes? 

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councelor Searl and seconded by councelor

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Flanagan. All those in favor

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certainly council

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all 

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 except  the item 217/25

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regarding the apology and leave of

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absence it was resolved by council sold

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the apology received but it's for

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councelors

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and

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I'm sure it doesn't matter it doesn't

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change the note

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I was present.

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Right. So, sorry it's wrongly recorded.

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Yeah.

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The apology was to be received for the

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absence of councelor Yallouris.

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Yeah.

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Yeah. Okay.

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Right. Yeah. That's

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No, no. Good. Thank you, councelor Searle.

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I understand it has been amended.

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So, thank you for pointing that out.

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Um now we have no presentations to

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council today. So we move through that

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item and on to the Mayoral minute which is

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on page 32. 

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presentations didn't we?

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Yes.

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No that's right. look I will mention

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that's a good point. I will mention that

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we did have a public forum  this

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morning and that that went well in

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relation to we had two two

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representations to present to council

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which occurred and we also had the 

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Australia Day  nominations morning tea

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this morning which  mostly all the

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councilors attended and and a very good

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representation of all the nominees which

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is a very good morning where they all

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presented with certificates and and

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recognized  for what they'd achieved

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to to be nominated.

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 in terms of my Mayoral minutes, I'll

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just mention a couple of things the

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discussions with Transgroup are ongoing.

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  we did have a meeting during the

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month that's there on the 1st of

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December. We managed to finally get hold

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of a few of the executives of AMO who

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are the 

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I guess they're the controlling

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authority of all energy projects. So

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anything we that we want transgruit to

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do has to be approved by them. So that

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was quite a useful meeting. It was

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actually

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probably very helpful for ourselves, the

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CJ members and our representative Sharon

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 as to the right way to go about all

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these things. And look, we are getting

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to down to brass tax with this matter.

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Um they're now talking about whether

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there's general sympathy for our

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position and  the main issue is

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whether it will be limited to  this

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project what we're proposing or whether

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we will be looking at making a change

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that will be legislated and would affect

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all projects. So  I've said before

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that I'm quite optimistic we'll get a a

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result in this. I  this will take some

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time. It won't it could easily

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um be towards the end of this term, but

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I'm  at this at this point in time,

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we're really not meeting with much

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resistance. We're just simply

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going through all the various hoops and

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and going through the the right ways to

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to get a better outcome for the councils

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impacted by the transcript project. So,

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you watch that space.

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there's is there any other questions on

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any of the items there? I mean, we had a

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couple of nice things. We

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 council councilor Meggitt

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brought to our attention

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the  sincer Paul had have a lot more

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people on their books than we'd like in

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terms of getting weekly support. Um and

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 it was through consultation with the

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um the pool we were able to provide a

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number of pool vouchers for families who

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might otherwise not attend the pool um

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and just hopefully bring a little bit of

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Christmas cheer and look there's a lot

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of

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um events happening and also the local

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supermarket and that is the the horse

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ride next week with council me various

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ways that funds are being raised to to

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give to less fortunate families in the

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show and make their Christmas a bit more

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Sure, which is terrific.

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Um,

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I think that was the only ones. Um,

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yeah, it's also just been brought to my

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attention that at this time of year

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we've got a lot of um, school

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presentations. I've attended a few.

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There was a school spectacular event,

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which is a event in Sydney that all

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schools I think in New South Wales are

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sort of invited and not all go, some go.

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Um and just as a little bit of a good

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news story um one of the local schools

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who attended  St. Mary's were

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particularly

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public.

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Okay. at the C public school um

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were you given a lot of credit for the

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performances they did with a few people

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being sick and everything and it's

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apparently going to be on televised

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tomorrow  on channel 7 at 7:30 if you

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wanted to share in that special moment

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that's cool

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very good um well look I'll move that

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mirror minutes

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um sorry just one other thing I meant to

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mention was that since it just happened

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just before just a after the last

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meeting we we did receive the  runner

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up for the AR Blu award. Council was

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recognized for that um and we've since

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um received a a small financial

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contribution to that to to go towards an

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apprentichip in our in our SH. So the AR

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blue award is a very prestigious local

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government award that recognizes

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council's going over and beyond and um

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 yeah it's very pleasing for we we did

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have a a very comprehensive submission

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there on about seven areas that we

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achieved and and um Leon Council had

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done an enormous amount of work. They

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actually won the award and and upper

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lock second. So well done to our team

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for that.

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Very much a credit to CEO and and Manx

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for pulling all that together. Um so

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look, I'd like to move the MER minute be

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 accepted, seconded by councelor

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Pierce. All those in favor.

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All right. Now look before we enter into

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the body of the meeting um of

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correspondence and things we have a

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number of people in the gallery who are

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um interested in  item 11.2.

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So I'd like to move that we bring

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forward item 11.2 which is the plan

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proposal for 4273

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Golden Road page 113 to to bring that

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forward. I was seconded for that motion

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seconded by councelor Pierce. It's all

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in favor.

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All right. So, that's been approved

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unanimously. We'll move to um to that

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matter which is as page 113.

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Um

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so

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there is a

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 a fourpart recommendation there. Um

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have we got a mover for that motion at

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this stage?

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moved by councelor Reynolds and seconded

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by councelor S. So that allows us to

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open the debate. Um I'll now hand over

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to the um director of  plan to  make

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any comments on the report.

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Thank you may through the CEO um

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council. This reports in relation to

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obviously the reszoning of land at 4273

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do road. It proposes to reszone the land

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from RU1

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primary production which currently has a

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minimum lot size of 40 hectares to a mix

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of R2 low density residential, minimum

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lot size 800 m, R5 large lot

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residential, minimum lot size 2,000 m

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and a three C3 environmental management

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zone which will have a minimum lot size

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of 100 hectares. There's obviously some

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history attached to this resoning

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application. Um it has been to submitted

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submitted to council previously.

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Um and it council supported the proposal

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through to the gateway process.

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 the gateway process could place some

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conditions on the timelines with respect

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to the proposal  with the applicant

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withdrawing the application

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due to the additional studies that were

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required to be undertaken to meet the

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requirements also particularly in

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relation to flooding and biodiversity.

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Um once they the studies were completed

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the application was rece resubmitted

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the application and I emphasize this bit

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is at stage two of the process. So

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there's six stages within the planning

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proposal state process. We're at the

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stage where we need to determine or

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council is required to determine whether

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the application is referred to the

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gateway for further determination.

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Um,

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if council supports the process, the

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department, if they believe it has

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strategic merit, will issue what's

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called the gateway determination, which

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will place a number of conditions that

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the applicant and council must meet.

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That will be predominantly

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through a consultation and referral to

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government agencies for consideration.

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So keep in mind we're at that stage

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where there's been a scope what we call

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the scoping phase where the applicant

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council and government agencies have

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been in discussion predominantly to

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raise the challenges or issues that the

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applicant must address

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to enable this to proceed.

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The gateway determination

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if supported

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 will require the applicant to

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complete further studies to address the

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issues that have been raised by the

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government agencies. It will also place

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the proposal out on public exhibition

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for comment um so council can receive

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feedback from the community as a whole.

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Once this information is obtained, it

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will allow council. It will come back to

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council. Council will get to reconsider

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this to see whether they support the

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proposal or not. Um but more importantly

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it will enable council

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to make a decision that is informed

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based around the reports that the

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applicant are required to complete but

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more importantly from the state

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government who are the experts in

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certain fields that must be addressed

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whether that be biodiversity flooding or

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the department of agriculture.

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Um so again just reiterating we are at

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the initial stages. We don't have all

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the information that needs to be

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addressed. We are aware of what or the

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applicant is aware of what is required

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to be considered. Um and to make an

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informed decision we would need to

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obtain that information as I said

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earlier which council would be able then

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to consider at a later date. um staff

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have considered the application um and

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it's in accordance with our LSPS

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and as such in accordance with the

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planning process staff have recommended

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that it be moved to the gateway

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determination.

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All right, thank you for that. Um

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Mr. director. Um so yeah, just just to

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add to what the director said to be

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clear, this is the early stages of this

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um event. The the plan that we've all

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seen here is is an indicative plan and

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and obviously later on there would be um

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quite possibly

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 a different plan or or have different

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elements but incorporating the same

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parameters. Um so look I'd ask everyone

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to um at this stage um we'll we'll do

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this obviously debate properly and we

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need to certainly have questions there

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little doubt there'll be questions on it

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and and you know speakers for or against

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the motion. So does anyone um have any

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questions on the matter or yes

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councelors

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through the mayor to just manage of

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planning

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you've  basically explained to us what

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would happen if this was supported could

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you also clarify what would happen if we

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did not support this or no decision was

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made

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 through the CEO um

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it's all I can explain is the process

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that the applicant has available to

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them. Um I can't advise what the

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applicant may or may not do but the

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process if council does not support

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the recommendations to gateway

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determination the applicant has the

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ability to request a review of

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determination through the department of

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planning. So the applicant will have 42

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days to determine whether they wish to

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proceed down that path. Now that process

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basically hands over the

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assessment

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component to  a planning panel. The

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planning panel will make recommendations

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as to whether this should proceed to the

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gateway determined pro gateway

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determination process or not. There's a

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few steps in that procedure. One, they

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will obviously

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leaz with council to ensure that if the

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review proceeds, what's been submitted

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with the department of planning

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correlates with what was submitted with

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council.

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Um, they will obviously meet with

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council or council staff, sorry. ,

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they may undertake a site inspection. 

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they also have the ability if they deem

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necessary to contact and talk with

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people who have given a presentation to

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council. But in very general terms, it

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takes the decision making process of

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whether this proceeds to gateway

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determination or out of the hands of

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council.

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Thanks. Any other questions? Council

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please um to the mayor to the director

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in this forgive my ignorance on this

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through this initial gateway process

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does that look at um issues such as

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significant agricultural land um because

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we've discussed this in council to a

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degree and that's one of the issues that

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we're seeking to strike that balance

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with is we understand we need

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development but we also need to protect

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um our scarce viable farming land

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um in that process through that this

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gateway process will they look at that

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 through the CA the short answer to

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that one is yes so as part of the

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process to date

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we've heard talked about today the lra

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land use conflict plan um there's one

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developed um the department of a who has

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reviewed that has raised some concerns

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with what's been submitted. Um, so I

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would suggest through this process that

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that will need to be reviewed and I'm

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going to use these words, my terms

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tightened up. Um, so as I alluded to

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earlier, this will go back to the

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government agencies

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that are required to be consulted

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through the gateway determination. So

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that could be the department egg, it

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could be biodiversity and so forth. And

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so we are required to consult with those

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government agencies. Now we will be

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guided

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by the responses we receive from those

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agencies. I'll be brutally honest. We're

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not experts in impact on agricultural

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whether there's a leg lizard walking

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around the paddic whatever that may be.

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So that's why we we rely on their

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comments to make further determination

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and compliance with best practice and

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everything.

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Correct. Okay. Um just in the same bone

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as council pier as a question of the

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director as well like I've like most of

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here um swimming through the reports try

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my best to get through them and digest

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them all. One thing that I want to ask

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is that it seems apparent to me that the

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virtually everything is is pointing

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towards the impact

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whether this development potential

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impact of development on the ecosystem

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and obviously the surrounding neighbors

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and everything else. What I was

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wondering was is there anything in

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reverse like and by that I mean that the

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impact of the surrounding um other

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businesses on on the development and the

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reason I asked that question is that

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it's been my experience with things like

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in Sydney and the developments in Sydney

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that a lot of developments were approved

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because you know the farming people who

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were there didn't object to them and 

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and then when they did their normal

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practices of

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um what they do on farms. It got to the

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point where the people who come in.

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Yeah. And it became an untenable place

00:26:03.919 --> 00:26:05.655
for them for them to operate. So is that

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something that was consideration in

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something like this?

00:26:08.799 --> 00:26:11.255
 through the CEO that probably aligns

00:26:11.279 --> 00:26:13.655
with the question from councelor Pierce

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with respect to the lucra. So that's why

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we need to ensure that the appropriate

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properties are created. There's also the

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state environmental planning policy in

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very general terms right to farm. Um but

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it there is some challenges when

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development obviously encroaches close

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to existing development whether that

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being rural agriculture whether that to

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be industries and so forth but the crux

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of that is to make sure that the lucer

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and the buffer distance are acceptable

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to try and mitigate those impacts.

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Thank you for that. Um, council Megan,

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thank you. , just by to the director,

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if it gets  referred to planning

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 for determination whether it goes to

00:26:59.279 --> 00:27:02.279
gateway determination, will part of that

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review include a review of the initial

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information that had it included in

00:27:09.360 --> 00:27:12.360
their LSPS

00:27:13.039 --> 00:27:15.015
 through the CEO. The answer to that

00:27:15.039 --> 00:27:17.416
one is the department will have a look

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at to see whether it aligns itself with

00:27:19.600 --> 00:27:21.336
the LSPS.

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Um I would suggest it very doubtful that

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it will look at the process as to how

00:27:28.000 --> 00:27:31.000
that LSPS was adopted

00:27:31.279 --> 00:27:33.416
that was adopted by council.

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So our LSPS is current as it exists

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today. I would also make it very clear

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that when you read the report that was

00:27:43.279 --> 00:27:45.096
presented to council for that

00:27:45.120 --> 00:27:47.976
consideration, you need to read that

00:27:48.000 --> 00:27:51.000
report in its entirety, not just to take

00:27:51.279 --> 00:27:53.416
a few words

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because the report clearly uses words

00:27:55.760 --> 00:27:58.760
like investigation areas, may. It

00:27:59.360 --> 00:28:02.360
doesn't say will. It says these are

00:28:02.399 --> 00:28:05.399
potential areas that could may could be

00:28:07.039 --> 00:28:09.816
investigated for future residential

00:28:09.840 --> 00:28:12.775
development. The process now is to

00:28:12.799 --> 00:28:15.416
undertake that investigation

00:28:15.440 --> 00:28:17.976
and it's now up to the applicant to

00:28:18.000 --> 00:28:19.976
provide sufficient amount of information

00:28:20.000 --> 00:28:23.000
to justify whether that site is suitable

00:28:23.360 --> 00:28:26.360
for residential development.

00:28:28.240 --> 00:28:31.240
 council seek some clarity too. I mean

00:28:31.679 --> 00:28:33.895
we're at the stage two here. It's um

00:28:33.919 --> 00:28:36.919
it's a proposal.  the plan for the

00:28:39.279 --> 00:28:42.135
subdivision as as it is say it were to

00:28:42.159 --> 00:28:44.856
go ahead does not thrill me. I don't

00:28:44.880 --> 00:28:46.936
like the idea of council being left with

00:28:46.960 --> 00:28:49.655
another portion of land to maintain in

00:28:49.679 --> 00:28:52.216
town that environmental area. I think

00:28:52.240 --> 00:28:55.240
that but I also think there's no buffer

00:28:56.080 --> 00:28:59.080
built in. Um if we

00:29:01.039 --> 00:29:03.496
reject this today and this goes out of

00:29:03.520 --> 00:29:06.520
out of council's hands, is it likely

00:29:06.559 --> 00:29:09.559
that the plan as presented

00:29:11.440 --> 00:29:14.440
will go through and be adopted um

00:29:15.840 --> 00:29:18.696
 as is because it's not something that

00:29:18.720 --> 00:29:21.416
that I particularly like.

00:29:21.440 --> 00:29:23.655
um the the whole proposal with

00:29:23.679 --> 00:29:26.135
government, you know, torn both ways on

00:29:26.159 --> 00:29:27.976
this one. And just quickly, I'd also

00:29:28.000 --> 00:29:29.976
like to say thank you for notifying the

00:29:30.000 --> 00:29:32.616
neighbor that this this um was coming to

00:29:32.640 --> 00:29:34.856
this meeting because it it's given them

00:29:34.880 --> 00:29:37.880
an opportunity to speak, which um we all

00:29:38.559 --> 00:29:41.559
need that opportunity.

00:29:42.000 --> 00:29:43.816
um through the CEO if I'm interpreting

00:29:43.840 --> 00:29:45.976
your question correctly

00:29:46.000 --> 00:29:49.000
the plan that has been submitted

00:29:49.919 --> 00:29:50.775
is a concept

00:29:50.799 --> 00:29:53.799
is a concept so if the land let's say if

00:29:54.240 --> 00:29:56.616
the resoning proceeded and I purchased

00:29:56.640 --> 00:29:59.255
the land I can come in and have a

00:29:59.279 --> 00:30:01.576
completely different plan now I'm still

00:30:01.600 --> 00:30:04.216
required to comply with any constraints

00:30:04.240 --> 00:30:06.696
that are put onto that site whether that

00:30:06.720 --> 00:30:09.176
be buffer zones etc

00:30:09.200 --> 00:30:12.200
um it doesn't negate that requirement.

00:30:12.880 --> 00:30:14.535
It might mean I could come in and say,

00:30:14.559 --> 00:30:16.296
"So, we we see we've got a mixture of

00:30:16.320 --> 00:30:18.296
lot sizes." I might come in as the

00:30:18.320 --> 00:30:21.096
developer and say, "The market is more

00:30:21.120 --> 00:30:23.416
aligned to 2,000 square meter lot." So,

00:30:23.440 --> 00:30:25.736
instead of having a 100 light

00:30:25.760 --> 00:30:27.816
subdivision, I reduce it down to an 80

00:30:27.840 --> 00:30:29.895
or a 60 light subdivision because that

00:30:29.919 --> 00:30:31.895
is in alignment with the market demands.

00:30:31.919 --> 00:30:34.919
So, emphasize concept plan. What's going

00:30:35.279 --> 00:30:38.279
to hit our table if this proceeds and is

00:30:38.320 --> 00:30:41.320
approved is unknown at this stage. In

00:30:41.440 --> 00:30:43.816
very general terms, what council is

00:30:43.840 --> 00:30:46.216
really doing

00:30:46.240 --> 00:30:48.856
and I'll just show this up. It's on page

00:30:48.880 --> 00:30:51.880
seven is approving these maps.

00:30:52.960 --> 00:30:55.015
We're approving the colors on the maps

00:30:55.039 --> 00:30:56.056
or sorry,

00:30:56.080 --> 00:30:57.976
sorry, that's not correct. We're

00:30:58.000 --> 00:31:00.135
approving this to go to the next stage

00:31:00.159 --> 00:31:03.159
to determine whether these maps as in

00:31:03.440 --> 00:31:05.895
the zonings and the minimum lot sizes

00:31:05.919 --> 00:31:08.056
are suitable.

00:31:08.080 --> 00:31:10.456
We're not approving a layout. I I guess

00:31:10.480 --> 00:31:13.480
what I'm saying is if we turn this down

00:31:13.840 --> 00:31:16.840
today, do we lose the capacity to

00:31:18.880 --> 00:31:21.880
um refine that later and put those

00:31:22.159 --> 00:31:24.696
conditions in and have it as a developed

00:31:24.720 --> 00:31:27.720
as something that we as a council would

00:31:28.799 --> 00:31:30.856
like to see

00:31:30.880 --> 00:31:33.880
 through the CEO. So let's say assume

00:31:33.919 --> 00:31:35.416
that this goes through the process and

00:31:35.440 --> 00:31:38.440
the reasoning occurs. The next step for

00:31:38.559 --> 00:31:40.375
the developer would be to lodge a

00:31:40.399 --> 00:31:41.976
development application for the

00:31:42.000 --> 00:31:43.976
subdivision.

00:31:44.000 --> 00:31:47.000
So that is this probably stage 7 8 n

00:31:48.240 --> 00:31:51.240
down the track. Um and that will come to

00:31:51.919 --> 00:31:54.919
council for council to assess.

00:31:57.440 --> 00:32:00.440
Sorry

00:32:04.320 --> 00:32:07.320
there. Um

00:32:07.679 --> 00:32:10.679
the recommendation refers to the C3

00:32:10.720 --> 00:32:13.720
develop environmental management

00:32:13.760 --> 00:32:16.056
of size of 100 hectares.

00:32:16.080 --> 00:32:17.096
Correct.

00:32:17.120 --> 00:32:20.120
But it's not 100

00:32:22.159 --> 00:32:24.616
through the CEO. Keep in mind it's not

00:32:24.640 --> 00:32:26.535
saying the lot's 100 hectares. What it's

00:32:26.559 --> 00:32:29.559
saying is we're under LEP we are

00:32:29.840 --> 00:32:32.840
required to

00:32:33.440 --> 00:32:36.440
have a minimum lot size. Um what they're

00:32:36.799 --> 00:32:38.375
saying is the minimum lot size is 100

00:32:38.399 --> 00:32:40.056
hectares

00:32:40.080 --> 00:32:42.056
appreciate the whole property is 30 odd

00:32:42.080 --> 00:32:45.080
hectares. So therefore that lot the C3

00:32:45.440 --> 00:32:48.440
zone will never be reduced in area. So

00:32:48.960 --> 00:32:51.960
if we go out into our rural sector we

00:32:52.640 --> 00:32:54.775
have varying lot sizes. They might be 40

00:32:54.799 --> 00:32:56.456
hectares, it might be 80 hectares.

00:32:56.480 --> 00:32:58.216
There's lots out in our rural sector

00:32:58.240 --> 00:33:00.216
that might be 5 hectares, might be 10

00:33:00.240 --> 00:33:02.216
hectares cuz they're all existing. It

00:33:02.240 --> 00:33:04.535
just means you can't further subdivide

00:33:04.559 --> 00:33:06.296
those down. It's an anomaly. I

00:33:06.320 --> 00:33:07.976
understand what you're saying. It just

00:33:08.000 --> 00:33:10.375
means that that C3 zone will stay that

00:33:10.399 --> 00:33:13.336
size unless council decides to change it

00:33:13.360 --> 00:33:15.096
down the track for some reason. I do not

00:33:15.120 --> 00:33:18.120
know why.

00:33:23.679 --> 00:33:25.976
Um is there any other questions on the

00:33:26.000 --> 00:33:28.535
matter or anyone want to speak before

00:33:28.559 --> 00:33:31.559
the um recommendation?

00:33:34.159 --> 00:33:37.159
Hello colleagues.  ultimately for me

00:33:37.600 --> 00:33:40.135
at its heartst proposal is something

00:33:40.159 --> 00:33:42.216
very simple allowing someone to use

00:33:42.240 --> 00:33:45.240
their own mean at their own initiative

00:33:45.840 --> 00:33:48.296
to meet real community needs without

00:33:48.320 --> 00:33:50.535
unnecessary barriers.

00:33:50.559 --> 00:33:53.559
The proposal before us seeks to resone

00:33:54.240 --> 00:33:56.375
to enable a mix of residential uses

00:33:56.399 --> 00:33:59.399
while protecting genuine envir areas of

00:33:59.679 --> 00:34:02.375
genuine environmental significance. It's

00:34:02.399 --> 00:34:04.696
a balanced evidence-based plan that

00:34:04.720 --> 00:34:07.576
respects property rights and expands

00:34:07.600 --> 00:34:09.575
housing choices.

00:34:09.599 --> 00:34:11.016
These are principles that matter deeply

00:34:11.040 --> 00:34:12.936
to me. They reflect a philosophy that

00:34:12.960 --> 00:34:15.496
says individuals not bureaucracies and

00:34:15.520 --> 00:34:17.976
has places to make decisions about their

00:34:18.000 --> 00:34:21.000
own land and their own future.

00:34:21.919 --> 00:34:24.135
It believe reflects belief that free

00:34:24.159 --> 00:34:26.776
people cooperating voluntarily create

00:34:26.800 --> 00:34:28.855
stronger communities than any top down

00:34:28.879 --> 00:34:31.815
ever could. The proposal proposal has

00:34:31.839 --> 00:34:33.416
gone through extensive scrutiny.

00:34:33.440 --> 00:34:35.095
Independent studies have been completed.

00:34:35.119 --> 00:34:37.256
Fighting by diversity, traffic and land

00:34:37.280 --> 00:34:38.936
use loose conflict concerns have been

00:34:38.960 --> 00:34:41.416
addressed through redesign environmental

00:34:41.440 --> 00:34:43.016
management zones and clear migration

00:34:43.040 --> 00:34:44.615
strategies.

00:34:44.639 --> 00:34:46.536
The process has been thorough,

00:34:46.560 --> 00:34:49.256
transparent, and grounded in evidence.

00:34:49.280 --> 00:34:51.095
Upper Lachland is growing. Families want

00:34:51.119 --> 00:34:53.095
to live here. Businesses want to invest

00:34:53.119 --> 00:34:55.895
here. The proposal expands residential

00:34:55.919 --> 00:34:58.055
land supply. It increases choice from

00:34:58.079 --> 00:34:59.976
low density lots to larger lifestyle

00:35:00.000 --> 00:35:02.296
blocks. It respects the rights of the

00:35:02.320 --> 00:35:04.296
land owner to put forward visions for

00:35:04.320 --> 00:35:06.055
their property and ensures environmental

00:35:06.079 --> 00:35:07.256
protections through targeted

00:35:07.280 --> 00:35:10.280
proportionate measures. I understand the

00:35:11.040 --> 00:35:13.176
concerns about a buffer around

00:35:13.200 --> 00:35:15.496
neighboring farmland, but these are best

00:35:15.520 --> 00:35:18.216
controlled when a DA comes to council.

00:35:18.240 --> 00:35:21.095
Today's proposal concerning reszoning

00:35:21.119 --> 00:35:22.536
only, and I don't see why it shouldn't

00:35:22.560 --> 00:35:25.016
proceed. Supporting this motion mean

00:35:25.040 --> 00:35:27.976
supporting the property rights allowing

00:35:28.000 --> 00:35:29.575
land owners to use their land

00:35:29.599 --> 00:35:31.736
productively and responsibly, housing

00:35:31.760 --> 00:35:34.456
choice and affordability.

00:35:34.480 --> 00:35:37.095
Um

00:35:37.119 --> 00:35:40.119
yeah ultimately um yeah

00:35:41.440 --> 00:35:44.440
I guess my belief is that um yeah

00:35:45.040 --> 00:35:46.936
there's nothing in this proposal that we

00:35:46.960 --> 00:35:49.575
should um

00:35:49.599 --> 00:35:51.016
there's no reason in this proposal that

00:35:51.040 --> 00:35:52.696
we should actually nothing presented

00:35:52.720 --> 00:35:54.616
that we should actually be opposing and

00:35:54.640 --> 00:35:56.856
the things that we're certainly about

00:35:56.880 --> 00:35:59.880
can be addressed at later stages in the

00:36:00.000 --> 00:36:01.656
process.

00:36:01.680 --> 00:36:04.616
Thank you councelor Harris. Um

00:36:04.640 --> 00:36:06.616
does  anyone want to speak  against

00:36:06.640 --> 00:36:09.640
the um recommendation?

00:36:09.680 --> 00:36:11.896
Yeah.  councelor came.

00:36:11.920 --> 00:36:14.920
Thanks Mr. Mayor. Um

00:36:15.520 --> 00:36:18.055
firstly can I thank Miss Zilo and Mr.

00:36:18.079 --> 00:36:20.936
Logan for having the fortitude to come

00:36:20.960 --> 00:36:22.296
and talk to us today. That is terrific.

00:36:22.320 --> 00:36:24.536
So I thank you. I thank you both very

00:36:24.560 --> 00:36:27.560
much for that.  it is great that you

00:36:27.839 --> 00:36:30.776
you are  able to come and talk to us

00:36:30.800 --> 00:36:33.176
 and present those those arguments.

00:36:33.200 --> 00:36:36.200
I'm a reluctant   against vote here.

00:36:39.200 --> 00:36:42.200
 normally I am a prodevelopment

00:36:43.440 --> 00:36:45.656
counselor.  and my voting record shows

00:36:45.680 --> 00:36:48.216
that very clearly. The rationale for

00:36:48.240 --> 00:36:50.216
that general approach is is that in

00:36:50.240 --> 00:36:51.976
order to prosper and that's the lens

00:36:52.000 --> 00:36:53.656
through which I try to approach all of

00:36:53.680 --> 00:36:56.536
these development application um  

00:36:56.560 --> 00:36:59.496
propositions that come before us  is

00:36:59.520 --> 00:37:02.456
is along the lines that  councelor

00:37:02.480 --> 00:37:04.776
Harris  just outlined is that we

00:37:04.800 --> 00:37:07.800
should be able to do what we want to do

00:37:08.960 --> 00:37:11.256
with our own property

00:37:11.280 --> 00:37:13.176
with the proviso that it doesn't impinge

00:37:13.200 --> 00:37:15.016
on the property rights of others and I

00:37:15.040 --> 00:37:18.040
am I regrettably I can't move past the

00:37:18.320 --> 00:37:20.296
idea that this proposal does interfere

00:37:20.320 --> 00:37:23.320
with the property rights of others. Um,

00:37:23.920 --> 00:37:26.376
in in in seeking to reszone this

00:37:26.400 --> 00:37:29.400
particular parcel into those three

00:37:29.599 --> 00:37:32.599
slices  that um we discussed and the

00:37:32.880 --> 00:37:34.776
director very helpfully helped a minute

00:37:34.800 --> 00:37:37.800
ago on page  118.

00:37:38.640 --> 00:37:41.256
Um, I am concerned that it will

00:37:41.280 --> 00:37:42.696
essentially bring to light an

00:37:42.720 --> 00:37:44.856
irreconcilable land use conflict that

00:37:44.880 --> 00:37:47.416
will inhibit the adjacent land being

00:37:47.440 --> 00:37:50.440
used for its current purpose. Um, so so

00:37:51.359 --> 00:37:53.736
that's that's sort of the heart of my my

00:37:53.760 --> 00:37:56.616
objection. Um, and Mr. Mayor, please

00:37:56.640 --> 00:37:58.376
indulge me for just a minute in keeping

00:37:58.400 --> 00:38:00.936
with the spirit of the code of meeting

00:38:00.960 --> 00:38:03.575
practice guidelines where if we um vote

00:38:03.599 --> 00:38:05.575
against the recommendation of our expert

00:38:05.599 --> 00:38:07.176
staff that we are required to give

00:38:07.200 --> 00:38:10.055
reasons. I I just want to expand on on

00:38:10.079 --> 00:38:12.216
why I'm why I'm voting against why I

00:38:12.240 --> 00:38:15.240
will be voting against this. Um I am I

00:38:15.520 --> 00:38:18.520
am moved by Mazilo's  presentation

00:38:18.960 --> 00:38:21.416
regarding population growth and the the

00:38:21.440 --> 00:38:24.216
need for more patrons or continued

00:38:24.240 --> 00:38:25.976
source of patrons for current future

00:38:26.000 --> 00:38:28.776
business growth. However,

00:38:28.800 --> 00:38:31.736
it is inescapable that more than half of

00:38:31.760 --> 00:38:34.696
our Shia's economy is derived from

00:38:34.720 --> 00:38:37.256
agriculture and the supporting  and

00:38:37.280 --> 00:38:39.335
ancillary businesses. Agriculture is

00:38:39.359 --> 00:38:41.176
part of our identity. It's part of our

00:38:41.200 --> 00:38:43.575
character.  and I want that to be

00:38:43.599 --> 00:38:46.599
reasonably  reasonably protected. The

00:38:47.119 --> 00:38:49.016
adjacent property  that Mr. Logan

00:38:49.040 --> 00:38:51.815
described  in his presentation

00:38:51.839 --> 00:38:54.376
is prime agricultural land. It's Arabore

00:38:54.400 --> 00:38:57.095
flat. It's  productive. It's fertile.

00:38:57.119 --> 00:38:59.095
It is identified clearly in the mapping

00:38:59.119 --> 00:39:00.696
of the state significant agricultural

00:39:00.720 --> 00:39:03.720
land that um  senator councelor Pierce

00:39:04.560 --> 00:39:07.560
um asked questions about before. Um 

00:39:08.079 --> 00:39:09.896
yes that that that mapping is still

00:39:09.920 --> 00:39:11.896
draft but the factors that identified it

00:39:11.920 --> 00:39:13.976
as state significant agricultural land

00:39:14.000 --> 00:39:16.376
are still evident and they are real.

00:39:16.400 --> 00:39:19.400
That land has a long history of very

00:39:19.520 --> 00:39:21.736
successful rotational cropping and

00:39:21.760 --> 00:39:24.760
grazing. And I note that the plan um is

00:39:27.119 --> 00:39:29.976
a concept plan that was made very clear.

00:39:30.000 --> 00:39:31.575
 the director's comments on that are

00:39:31.599 --> 00:39:34.599
particularly helpful. Um  but that

00:39:35.119 --> 00:39:38.119
that strip on the boundary um where

00:39:38.160 --> 00:39:41.160
there are that series of  10 or 12 I I

00:39:41.680 --> 00:39:44.136
can't quite there are 2,000 m square

00:39:44.160 --> 00:39:47.160
blocks with a notional 25 m 25 m buffer

00:39:48.800 --> 00:39:51.416
zone to that land means that any future

00:39:51.440 --> 00:39:54.440
cropping sparks brassica oats hay is

00:39:54.960 --> 00:39:56.856
whatever is going to be extremely

00:39:56.880 --> 00:39:58.616
problematic due to what are normal

00:39:58.640 --> 00:40:00.856
farming practices that involve spraying

00:40:00.880 --> 00:40:03.880
dust and noise. Um the width of that um

00:40:06.320 --> 00:40:09.320
the width of that  R5 large

00:40:09.920 --> 00:40:12.920
residential block slice down the side as

00:40:13.760 --> 00:40:15.976
currently presented in this resoning

00:40:16.000 --> 00:40:17.496
proposition

00:40:17.520 --> 00:40:20.136
I think effectively prohibits a buffer

00:40:20.160 --> 00:40:23.160
zone and that then being used for that

00:40:23.440 --> 00:40:26.376
large residential. So with those kind of

00:40:26.400 --> 00:40:28.536
factors in involved and once again I

00:40:28.560 --> 00:40:30.776
thank the two speakers um they're the

00:40:30.800 --> 00:40:33.335
core of my objections as to why it be

00:40:33.359 --> 00:40:36.296
voted against. Thank you Mr. Mayor.

00:40:36.320 --> 00:40:38.376
 thanks Councelor Cameron. Um does

00:40:38.400 --> 00:40:40.456
anybody want to speak for the motion

00:40:40.480 --> 00:40:43.480
against well I'll just have to see for

00:40:43.839 --> 00:40:45.815
first. Is there anything else to speak

00:40:45.839 --> 00:40:47.335
for?

00:40:47.359 --> 00:40:49.496
Well, look, I'll just speak I'm not sure

00:40:49.520 --> 00:40:50.776
where I'll vote, but I'll just speak

00:40:50.800 --> 00:40:53.800
briefly for I guess in similar terms to

00:40:54.400 --> 00:40:57.335
 councelor Harris. I guess my biggest

00:40:57.359 --> 00:40:59.976
I'd have to say this concept proposal

00:41:00.000 --> 00:41:01.656
came up as for something else to approve

00:41:01.680 --> 00:41:03.815
today. Um I would not vote for it

00:41:03.839 --> 00:41:06.839
because I I do believe the buffer is not

00:41:07.200 --> 00:41:09.416
um in keeping with the protection of

00:41:09.440 --> 00:41:11.656
prime agriculture land. um I I don't

00:41:11.680 --> 00:41:14.616
think it is significant enough

00:41:14.640 --> 00:41:16.696
to allow the neighbor to continue to do

00:41:16.720 --> 00:41:18.136
what they've done for a very long time

00:41:18.160 --> 00:41:20.055
on on highly productive soil and I'd

00:41:20.079 --> 00:41:22.936
hate to see a creep out into that

00:41:22.960 --> 00:41:24.856
Rosland the beautiful country that

00:41:24.880 --> 00:41:27.880
emanates from there. Um I also concerned

00:41:28.880 --> 00:41:31.256
about the 2,000

00:41:31.280 --> 00:41:33.416
square m that close to the boundary you

00:41:33.440 --> 00:41:35.976
know but I guess the other the pragmatic

00:41:36.000 --> 00:41:37.896
side of it is that this is about the

00:41:37.920 --> 00:41:40.920
reszoning and if this were to be

00:41:41.280 --> 00:41:44.216
referred on without council involvement

00:41:44.240 --> 00:41:46.456
to the planning panel which now at the

00:41:46.480 --> 00:41:48.856
in its current form completely excludes

00:41:48.880 --> 00:41:51.880
 council or council or um I guess I'm

00:41:52.880 --> 00:41:54.536
concerned that it would just flow

00:41:54.560 --> 00:41:56.055
through

00:41:56.079 --> 00:41:59.079
um as as possibly it is in the concept

00:41:59.119 --> 00:42:02.119
arrangement. Whereas if it came through

00:42:02.160 --> 00:42:04.136
the normal process with council's input

00:42:04.160 --> 00:42:07.160
and there was a DA um I would hope we

00:42:07.200 --> 00:42:09.335
would be able to encourage the proponent

00:42:09.359 --> 00:42:11.976
to have a much greater buffer zone

00:42:12.000 --> 00:42:14.536
between themselves and the farming land

00:42:14.560 --> 00:42:17.560
and and um

00:42:17.760 --> 00:42:19.496
and some of the other aspects of it I

00:42:19.520 --> 00:42:21.736
think could be improved. But so yeah,

00:42:21.760 --> 00:42:24.760
that's my comments on the subject. Um,

00:42:25.040 --> 00:42:27.176
councelor Yolis, would you like to

00:42:27.200 --> 00:42:27.896
speak?

00:42:27.920 --> 00:42:29.976
Thank you, Mr. Mayor. And, um, I'm just

00:42:30.000 --> 00:42:33.000
going to councelor Cameron sort of touch

00:42:33.119 --> 00:42:35.496
on most of the points, but I think it's

00:42:35.520 --> 00:42:38.456
pertinent that I probably be it's my

00:42:38.480 --> 00:42:40.376
position on this as well. And I think

00:42:40.400 --> 00:42:41.976
first and foremost I think we you know

00:42:42.000 --> 00:42:43.656
we got to remember that we are a private

00:42:43.680 --> 00:42:46.136
producing you know sh and that's very

00:42:46.160 --> 00:42:48.456
important for us and nothing should we

00:42:48.480 --> 00:42:50.136
already faced the battles with many of

00:42:50.160 --> 00:42:52.696
our other um renewable issues that are

00:42:52.720 --> 00:42:54.856
encroaching on already on this this sh

00:42:54.880 --> 00:42:56.936
and and I think any level of protection

00:42:56.960 --> 00:42:59.960
in relation to our primary producing 

00:43:00.480 --> 00:43:02.055
zone should be maintained in that

00:43:02.079 --> 00:43:04.376
respect. I think I'd like to thank both

00:43:04.400 --> 00:43:06.616
parties. I think both parties  have

00:43:06.640 --> 00:43:08.776
got merit. you know, you see both sides

00:43:08.800 --> 00:43:10.936
of the fence and then say, "Okay, that

00:43:10.960 --> 00:43:13.736
works, that doesn't work." But, um, and

00:43:13.760 --> 00:43:16.536
I think as a council, I think our

00:43:16.560 --> 00:43:18.295
records show that in the last 12 months,

00:43:18.319 --> 00:43:20.136
we've been very progressive in in

00:43:20.160 --> 00:43:22.376
approving and, you know, keeping

00:43:22.400 --> 00:43:25.016
open-minded about things, but my concern

00:43:25.040 --> 00:43:26.295
is development for the sake of

00:43:26.319 --> 00:43:28.856
development is not a good strategy and

00:43:28.880 --> 00:43:30.936
and I'm very concerned about the

00:43:30.960 --> 00:43:33.656
affecting um, as not only with this

00:43:33.680 --> 00:43:35.896
development, other developments. I'm

00:43:35.920 --> 00:43:37.976
scared of setting precedents, you know,

00:43:38.000 --> 00:43:40.616
and  and what if if we start allowing

00:43:40.640 --> 00:43:42.376
things to encroach into these areas

00:43:42.400 --> 00:43:44.136
further and further, I think we're going

00:43:44.160 --> 00:43:46.376
to  we're going to make a very um

00:43:46.400 --> 00:43:49.176
long-term  dangerous situation for

00:43:49.200 --> 00:43:51.416
ourselves because likelihood the

00:43:51.440 --> 00:43:52.696
neighbors won't be able to continue

00:43:52.720 --> 00:43:53.896
farming what they've been farming for

00:43:53.920 --> 00:43:56.055
over 100 years and the people who want

00:43:56.079 --> 00:43:58.216
to do something. I'm also concerned

00:43:58.240 --> 00:43:59.656
about from the reports that we've heard

00:43:59.680 --> 00:44:01.896
that we already have a very solid land

00:44:01.920 --> 00:44:03.896
bank of properties at the moment which

00:44:03.920 --> 00:44:06.295
you know 60 odd years is a lot of

00:44:06.319 --> 00:44:09.256
property and and I I'm concerned that

00:44:09.280 --> 00:44:11.256
maybe our focus should not be

00:44:11.280 --> 00:44:12.616
residential in the future because

00:44:12.640 --> 00:44:13.736
there's a lot of empty blocks in

00:44:13.760 --> 00:44:15.976
Cookwell in particular maybe we need to

00:44:16.000 --> 00:44:17.496
look at other areas of development but

00:44:17.520 --> 00:44:19.335
that's not related to this development

00:44:19.359 --> 00:44:21.416
that's just a general comment that I I

00:44:21.440 --> 00:44:23.335
hear that we need more industries and

00:44:23.359 --> 00:44:24.776
people to do business rather than more

00:44:24.800 --> 00:44:27.575
residential so bas based on that all

00:44:27.599 --> 00:44:29.256
that information and I don't think we

00:44:29.280 --> 00:44:31.016
have all the information. I'm a little

00:44:31.040 --> 00:44:33.095
bit concerned what we've seen that this

00:44:33.119 --> 00:44:35.896
is sort of conceptual so and we don't

00:44:35.920 --> 00:44:37.496
have all the information that makes me

00:44:37.520 --> 00:44:40.520
even more nervous and I think um in that

00:44:41.280 --> 00:44:43.496
respect I'm sort of reluctant to to

00:44:43.520 --> 00:44:46.055
support this at this stage and um but

00:44:46.079 --> 00:44:49.079
yeah everyone's that's my position.

00:44:49.119 --> 00:44:50.696
 thank you. Does anyone else want to

00:44:50.720 --> 00:44:53.720
speak for the  the motion?

00:44:54.640 --> 00:44:56.295
Um all right. All right. Well, I guess

00:44:56.319 --> 00:44:58.136
as the mover of the motion, I would ask

00:44:58.160 --> 00:45:00.456
councelor Reynolds if she wanted to 

00:45:00.480 --> 00:45:03.176
make any other comments on

00:45:03.200 --> 00:45:05.575
on to close the debate.

00:45:05.599 --> 00:45:08.295
Right. The only comment I would make is

00:45:08.319 --> 00:45:11.319
that where we have

00:45:12.079 --> 00:45:14.376
really significant

00:45:14.400 --> 00:45:16.536
agrade

00:45:16.560 --> 00:45:19.560
state significant farmland in Kwell. You

00:45:20.880 --> 00:45:23.656
can count on maybe two heads. This

00:45:23.680 --> 00:45:26.216
property is one of those. And I do

00:45:26.240 --> 00:45:28.856
believe that the farming techniques that

00:45:28.880 --> 00:45:30.696
have been carried out on that farm have

00:45:30.720 --> 00:45:33.720
been exemplary and and I congratulate

00:45:33.760 --> 00:45:36.760
Mr. Logan and Mr. Logan's family on 

00:45:37.520 --> 00:45:39.575
maintaining that property to the high

00:45:39.599 --> 00:45:42.295
level that it is.

00:45:42.319 --> 00:45:45.319
I would like to think that these few

00:45:47.119 --> 00:45:50.119
exceptional farms will be protected in

00:45:50.560 --> 00:45:52.456
our child

00:45:52.480 --> 00:45:55.480
because if we can do that then it is

00:45:56.000 --> 00:45:58.616
there for future generations. If we

00:45:58.640 --> 00:46:01.640
start butting up against it with

00:46:02.160 --> 00:46:04.616
very intense

00:46:04.640 --> 00:46:06.776
development,

00:46:06.800 --> 00:46:09.800
we stand to lose the very fabric that

00:46:11.200 --> 00:46:14.200
makes our agriculture

00:46:14.480 --> 00:46:17.256
environment strong.

00:46:17.280 --> 00:46:19.896
We need to wrap our arms around those

00:46:19.920 --> 00:46:21.976
valuable pieces of land and protect

00:46:22.000 --> 00:46:23.496
them.

00:46:23.520 --> 00:46:26.376
And for that reason, you can say that

00:46:26.400 --> 00:46:28.536
this is conceptual. this is what we've

00:46:28.560 --> 00:46:30.616
got to look at and this is what you've

00:46:30.640 --> 00:46:33.640
got to judge by and I'm afraid

00:46:34.640 --> 00:46:36.616
there's a number of areas I could go

00:46:36.640 --> 00:46:38.936
through it page by page and there's

00:46:38.960 --> 00:46:41.815
differences in the reports that doesn't

00:46:41.839 --> 00:46:44.839
add up so from where I sit um you know I

00:46:46.079 --> 00:46:47.815
think we should go

00:46:47.839 --> 00:46:49.815
all right thanks CS and look you can see

00:46:49.839 --> 00:46:52.839
this is a um a matter that we um I think

00:46:53.359 --> 00:46:56.359
all of us here felt um we did enjoy the

00:46:57.359 --> 00:46:59.016
public forum earlier where both speakers

00:46:59.040 --> 00:47:00.616
spoke well about their respective views

00:47:00.640 --> 00:47:03.496
and and  their strong cases on both

00:47:03.520 --> 00:47:05.976
sides of the fence. Um so look, I think

00:47:06.000 --> 00:47:07.335
one thing that's really important about

00:47:07.359 --> 00:47:08.776
these things and we've already had some

00:47:08.800 --> 00:47:10.696
discussion about it is to really fully

00:47:10.720 --> 00:47:13.720
understand what we are approving here.

00:47:14.480 --> 00:47:15.815
You know, we're not we're not approving

00:47:15.839 --> 00:47:17.256
a development or anything like that. And

00:47:17.280 --> 00:47:19.815
I think it's best if I just be to close

00:47:19.839 --> 00:47:22.295
the debate, I'll just allow the director

00:47:22.319 --> 00:47:25.256
of planning just to succinctly um

00:47:25.280 --> 00:47:26.936
explain, you know, what it is we're

00:47:26.960 --> 00:47:29.656
voting on and and any closing comments.

00:47:29.680 --> 00:47:32.216
Thank you, Mr.  through the CEO. I'm

00:47:32.240 --> 00:47:33.656
just going to reinforce what I said

00:47:33.680 --> 00:47:35.256
earlier

00:47:35.280 --> 00:47:38.136
and listening to the discussions.

00:47:38.160 --> 00:47:40.376
We're at the very initial stages of the

00:47:40.400 --> 00:47:42.216
planning proposal. We've gone through

00:47:42.240 --> 00:47:43.976
the scoping phase where the government

00:47:44.000 --> 00:47:47.000
agencies have raised concerns that have

00:47:47.839 --> 00:47:50.616
been discussed around this table. The

00:47:50.640 --> 00:47:53.640
applicant has put together a level of

00:47:54.319 --> 00:47:56.696
documentation

00:47:56.720 --> 00:47:59.496
to initially address those concerns

00:47:59.520 --> 00:48:02.520
which still need finalizing.

00:48:02.640 --> 00:48:05.640
My advice to council is we need all the

00:48:07.359 --> 00:48:09.815
information in its final form and

00:48:09.839 --> 00:48:11.496
whether that be in the consultants

00:48:11.520 --> 00:48:13.656
reports or whether that be the advice

00:48:13.680 --> 00:48:16.680
from the expert government agencies to

00:48:16.720 --> 00:48:19.720
make an informed decision. We're making

00:48:19.920 --> 00:48:22.920
a decision at the moment simply whether

00:48:23.280 --> 00:48:25.575
this should proceed to the next step.

00:48:25.599 --> 00:48:27.335
We're not making a decision on whether

00:48:27.359 --> 00:48:29.976
we approve the actual concept, the

00:48:30.000 --> 00:48:32.055
zonings, or whether we're refusing the

00:48:32.079 --> 00:48:34.936
concept or the zonings. It's simply

00:48:34.960 --> 00:48:37.960
going to the next stage which will allow

00:48:38.400 --> 00:48:41.400
the applicant to address concerns which

00:48:42.400 --> 00:48:44.616
have been raised a by the community

00:48:44.640 --> 00:48:47.640
already, bouncy

00:48:48.400 --> 00:48:50.936
by government agencies.

00:48:50.960 --> 00:48:53.095
Then that information will come back for

00:48:53.119 --> 00:48:55.416
consideration in a further report to

00:48:55.440 --> 00:48:57.736
this council to make that final

00:48:57.760 --> 00:49:00.376
determination. And I just say you need

00:49:00.400 --> 00:49:03.400
that information to make that informed

00:49:03.680 --> 00:49:06.216
decision.

00:49:06.240 --> 00:49:09.240
All right. Thank you, Mr. Director. Um

00:49:09.839 --> 00:49:12.055
so thanks for involvement in that

00:49:12.079 --> 00:49:13.416
debate. We've now got we've got a

00:49:13.440 --> 00:49:15.256
fourpart recommendation here that's been

00:49:15.280 --> 00:49:18.280
moved and seconded. Um so I now put the

00:49:19.119 --> 00:49:22.119
motion. Um all those in favor  all

00:49:22.640 --> 00:49:24.376
four.

00:49:24.400 --> 00:49:26.776
So we have four I believe four and all

00:49:26.800 --> 00:49:29.256
those against

00:49:29.280 --> 00:49:32.280
 five against. So the motion is lost.

00:49:36.079 --> 00:49:39.079
Thank you.

00:49:41.680 --> 00:49:44.680
Um

00:49:45.280 --> 00:49:47.976
yeah, I was just going to say that. So

00:49:48.000 --> 00:49:51.000
um for the members of the gallery who

00:49:51.119 --> 00:49:52.616
are here specifically for that item,

00:49:52.640 --> 00:49:55.335
you're very welcome to continue and stay

00:49:55.359 --> 00:49:57.736
the meeting. But if you if you do wish

00:49:57.760 --> 00:49:59.416
to leave this point, you're welcome to

00:49:59.440 --> 00:50:02.440
do so. Thank you.

00:50:02.559 --> 00:50:04.856
Um we'll go back to the normal order of

00:50:04.880 --> 00:50:07.880
business now. Um we go back to item

00:50:08.400 --> 00:50:11.400
eight, which is correspondence

00:50:12.000 --> 00:50:15.000
page 36.

00:50:20.480 --> 00:50:22.216
Um there's two items to correspond

00:50:22.240 --> 00:50:24.136
there. So could I have someone to move

00:50:24.160 --> 00:50:25.335
the acceptance of correspondence?

00:50:25.359 --> 00:50:28.359
Council Reynolds and second council. Um

00:50:28.800 --> 00:50:30.776
is there any discussion on the

00:50:30.800 --> 00:50:33.416
correspondence?

00:50:33.440 --> 00:50:36.440
 yes councelor Cameron. Thanks Mr.

00:50:36.880 --> 00:50:39.880
Mayor. the um

00:50:42.319 --> 00:50:45.319
I I just want to talk very briefly about

00:50:46.000 --> 00:50:49.000
the the government's response to the um

00:50:49.359 --> 00:50:52.359
parliamentary inquiry into the  assets

00:50:52.880 --> 00:50:55.815
etc of the New South Wales RFS.

00:50:55.839 --> 00:50:58.839
Um

00:50:58.960 --> 00:51:01.896
oh I'm I'm I'm profoundly disappointed

00:51:01.920 --> 00:51:04.616
that our government has just kicked this

00:51:04.640 --> 00:51:07.640
can further further down the road. Um

00:51:07.920 --> 00:51:09.656
the the public accounts committee's

00:51:09.680 --> 00:51:11.736
views in the report to which this is the

00:51:11.760 --> 00:51:13.656
response are sensible. They're

00:51:13.680 --> 00:51:15.656
forward-looking. They they actually look

00:51:15.680 --> 00:51:18.680
to resolve a series of longstanding

00:51:18.960 --> 00:51:21.960
problems with council  asset

00:51:22.160 --> 00:51:24.776
management   accounting, financial

00:51:24.800 --> 00:51:26.136
management, the difference between

00:51:26.160 --> 00:51:27.976
authority to act and responsibility for

00:51:28.000 --> 00:51:29.416
management. All of those things I

00:51:29.440 --> 00:51:31.736
thought  what the public accounts

00:51:31.760 --> 00:51:34.760
committee  and you won't find a an ex

00:51:35.280 --> 00:51:38.280
bureaucrat saying this too often  

00:51:38.400 --> 00:51:40.456
came up with some pretty sensible stuff

00:51:40.480 --> 00:51:43.480
from a bunch of politicians. Um council

00:51:43.520 --> 00:51:45.896
has no meaningful control or influence

00:51:45.920 --> 00:51:48.456
over what the RFS does with it with its

00:51:48.480 --> 00:51:50.055
assets and particularly its vehicular

00:51:50.079 --> 00:51:53.079
assets. Um and it seems to me

00:51:54.000 --> 00:51:56.216
and neither should it's an operational

00:51:56.240 --> 00:51:58.776
agency. um those distinctions being

00:51:58.800 --> 00:52:01.800
called out to be fairly routinely. Um 

00:52:01.920 --> 00:52:04.920
neither should we have any um   

00:52:05.599 --> 00:52:07.815
 control or influence over how the RFS

00:52:07.839 --> 00:52:10.535
uses its vehicular assets in particular.

00:52:10.559 --> 00:52:12.456
Recommendation one that the RFS should

00:52:12.480 --> 00:52:14.136
own and operate the red fleet should

00:52:14.160 --> 00:52:15.656
have been supported. Recommendation

00:52:15.680 --> 00:52:17.335
three, maintenance and repair of the red

00:52:17.359 --> 00:52:19.176
fleet  should be in the hands of the

00:52:19.200 --> 00:52:20.936
RFS should have been supported.

00:52:20.960 --> 00:52:23.960
recommendation 12 that their budgets the

00:52:24.160 --> 00:52:27.160
budget timing should be better aligned,

00:52:27.359 --> 00:52:29.896
should have been supported. Um I'm just

00:52:29.920 --> 00:52:31.416
astonished that they didn't that they

00:52:31.440 --> 00:52:34.216
didn't um  grasp the opportunity to

00:52:34.240 --> 00:52:36.456
actually resolve these long-standing

00:52:36.480 --> 00:52:39.176
problems. The RFS is a highly

00:52:39.200 --> 00:52:41.176
professional contemporary organization

00:52:41.200 --> 00:52:43.016
that is forwardlooking and and

00:52:43.040 --> 00:52:46.040
progressive.  our own bushfire zone

00:52:47.119 --> 00:52:49.575
  is blessed with  expert

00:52:49.599 --> 00:52:51.656
leadership in Crystal Hines and George

00:52:51.680 --> 00:52:53.736
Shepherd and their teams and the group

00:52:53.760 --> 00:52:55.736
level volunteers and the brigade level

00:52:55.760 --> 00:52:58.216
volunteers of which I am extremely proud

00:52:58.240 --> 00:53:00.776
to to be one of. So this is not a

00:53:00.800 --> 00:53:02.936
criticism of them at all but I am

00:53:02.960 --> 00:53:04.696
extremely critical of our government in

00:53:04.720 --> 00:53:06.295
not taking the opportunity to address

00:53:06.319 --> 00:53:08.856
these long-standing this long-standing

00:53:08.880 --> 00:53:10.616
misalignment of authority,

00:53:10.640 --> 00:53:12.776
responsibility and resourcing. So, I

00:53:12.800 --> 00:53:14.616
would I really just would like to have

00:53:14.640 --> 00:53:16.696
that recorded. Um, we have kicked the

00:53:16.720 --> 00:53:18.216
can down the road. We're going to be

00:53:18.240 --> 00:53:21.016
subjected to audits and reviews and a

00:53:21.040 --> 00:53:22.696
great big legislative program. None of

00:53:22.720 --> 00:53:25.176
which needed to have occurred. Um, it

00:53:25.200 --> 00:53:26.936
could have been responded to directly.

00:53:26.960 --> 00:53:28.856
Thank you.

00:53:28.880 --> 00:53:30.535
Couldn't agree more. Certainly, it's

00:53:30.559 --> 00:53:32.696
just action.

00:53:32.720 --> 00:53:35.720
Um, yes, council pil

00:53:37.280 --> 00:53:40.280
um through Mr. Mayor. I'd um like to

00:53:40.880 --> 00:53:42.616
seek clarification perhaps from the

00:53:42.640 --> 00:53:44.776
director of finance um regarding

00:53:44.800 --> 00:53:47.736
recommendation 12 on page 43 where it

00:53:47.760 --> 00:53:50.760
talks about the rate pegging um

00:53:50.800 --> 00:53:53.800
component to the  to the levy.

00:53:56.160 --> 00:53:58.856
I I know that the RFSA made submissions

00:53:58.880 --> 00:54:01.880
in relation to this um

00:54:03.040 --> 00:54:05.016
that those those submissions have met

00:54:05.040 --> 00:54:08.040
and have gone nowhere. Um what do you

00:54:08.160 --> 00:54:11.160
understand this to be now? Is this to be

00:54:11.200 --> 00:54:14.200
that they expect councils to issue an a

00:54:14.240 --> 00:54:17.240
levy to rate payers to recover the cost

00:54:18.160 --> 00:54:21.095
of what they are levying council

00:54:21.119 --> 00:54:24.119
or or is this tied in the rate picking

00:54:24.559 --> 00:54:26.616
in which case they can put it up any

00:54:26.640 --> 00:54:28.776
amount they wish which they have done

00:54:28.800 --> 00:54:31.800
repeatedly increase the the the levy on

00:54:32.240 --> 00:54:34.216
councils.

00:54:34.240 --> 00:54:37.240
um as huge increases but council doesn't

00:54:37.680 --> 00:54:40.456
have that same capacity to raise and

00:54:40.480 --> 00:54:43.256
increase rates

00:54:43.280 --> 00:54:46.280
um through through the CEO um really the

00:54:47.760 --> 00:54:50.616
the change in the methodology on

00:54:50.640 --> 00:54:53.640
determining the rate increase there's a

00:54:53.760 --> 00:54:56.295
small component adjustment on emergency

00:54:56.319 --> 00:54:58.216
services levy adjustment

00:54:58.240 --> 00:55:00.776
and it's like 0.1

00:55:00.800 --> 00:55:03.800
out of total you know say for us 4.9 9%

00:55:04.160 --> 00:55:07.160
increase in in in the financial year. So

00:55:07.359 --> 00:55:09.976
it is minuscule in the basis. So is it

00:55:10.000 --> 00:55:11.815
going to affect our rate base or

00:55:11.839 --> 00:55:14.696
anything significant measure? No, it's

00:55:14.720 --> 00:55:15.656
not.

00:55:15.680 --> 00:55:18.055
The issue around budget timing and

00:55:18.079 --> 00:55:19.256
planning,

00:55:19.280 --> 00:55:21.976
you know, it is so ultimately they're

00:55:22.000 --> 00:55:23.815
saying we'll give you what your

00:55:23.839 --> 00:55:25.976
allocation will be and what you expected

00:55:26.000 --> 00:55:29.000
to budget for RFS equipment um basically

00:55:29.680 --> 00:55:31.656
at the end of your budget cycle. So

00:55:31.680 --> 00:55:33.656
we've already adopted our budgets.

00:55:33.680 --> 00:55:35.496
So we obviously then come first quarter

00:55:35.520 --> 00:55:37.095
have to make any adjustments. If there

00:55:37.119 --> 00:55:39.095
is, we might factor in that there's

00:55:39.119 --> 00:55:41.016
going to be four new trucks and there's

00:55:41.040 --> 00:55:43.256
zero new trucks or vice versa. It could

00:55:43.280 --> 00:55:45.496
be the other way around. So that will

00:55:45.520 --> 00:55:47.736
fluctuate and that's been the way it's

00:55:47.760 --> 00:55:49.736
been currently. So they're not

00:55:49.760 --> 00:55:51.016
addressing that and they have no

00:55:51.040 --> 00:55:54.040
intention to address it. Um the bigger

00:55:54.160 --> 00:55:56.295
issues around their assets and the

00:55:56.319 --> 00:55:57.815
insurance and the maintenance and

00:55:57.839 --> 00:55:59.496
repairs and all those type of things.

00:55:59.520 --> 00:56:01.976
they they have real bottom line impacts

00:56:02.000 --> 00:56:04.936
on our financial statements. Um we've

00:56:04.960 --> 00:56:07.656
chosen not to um obviously recognize

00:56:07.680 --> 00:56:09.016
that through an accounting position

00:56:09.040 --> 00:56:11.656
paper. Unfortunately, the record office

00:56:11.680 --> 00:56:13.176
now is still saying if they look at

00:56:13.200 --> 00:56:15.256
materiality. So for instance, this order

00:56:15.280 --> 00:56:17.736
comes up and it's deemed as material.

00:56:17.760 --> 00:56:18.696
For instance, there could be a

00:56:18.720 --> 00:56:21.256
qualification again of our financial

00:56:21.280 --> 00:56:23.176
statements based on our account position

00:56:23.200 --> 00:56:25.976
paper.  I don't expect that to happen.

00:56:26.000 --> 00:56:28.295
We've seen the asset registers and in

00:56:28.319 --> 00:56:31.016
the scheme of our large you know 400

00:56:31.040 --> 00:56:33.496
million asset base um I don't think it

00:56:33.520 --> 00:56:35.496
will be material but they have an

00:56:35.520 --> 00:56:37.736
opportunity like councelor Cameron said

00:56:37.760 --> 00:56:39.575
to address this that they've got enough

00:56:39.599 --> 00:56:42.055
information they're quite clear from the

00:56:42.079 --> 00:56:43.736
recommendations in the background to

00:56:43.760 --> 00:56:46.376
this that's happened over you know 15 20

00:56:46.400 --> 00:56:48.616
years now that they could have really

00:56:48.640 --> 00:56:51.640
done better that's the way I'll get it

00:56:51.920 --> 00:56:54.136
um and they're going to subject us all

00:56:54.160 --> 00:56:57.160
to unnecessary neessary cost and time

00:56:57.520 --> 00:57:00.136
and effort is the way I see it. Now the

00:57:00.160 --> 00:57:03.160
impact of the repeating society's very

00:57:03.599 --> 00:57:06.599
council

00:57:08.079 --> 00:57:09.575
came

00:57:09.599 --> 00:57:12.535
um comments  we spoke about this the

00:57:12.559 --> 00:57:15.559
other day was um career public service I

00:57:15.920 --> 00:57:18.920
said I' I've written this stuff you know

00:57:19.920 --> 00:57:22.920
it's very disappointing to see um and

00:57:24.240 --> 00:57:26.535
and a lot of it all comes down to it

00:57:26.559 --> 00:57:29.496
just seems to be it's too hard The

00:57:29.520 --> 00:57:31.095
government is unwilling to negotiate

00:57:31.119 --> 00:57:33.496
with councils regarding the issue and

00:57:33.520 --> 00:57:35.656
they keep saying undertaking a review

00:57:35.680 --> 00:57:37.416
and update of service agreements would

00:57:37.440 --> 00:57:39.896
involve detailed negotiations with all

00:57:39.920 --> 00:57:41.896
councils extensive consultation legal

00:57:41.920 --> 00:57:44.920
review likely extending 12 to 24 months.

00:57:44.960 --> 00:57:45.976
Yes.

00:57:46.000 --> 00:57:48.936
Yes, it will. But there's no reason not

00:57:48.960 --> 00:57:50.136
to do it.

00:57:50.160 --> 00:57:51.896
And and they don't even have to

00:57:51.920 --> 00:57:54.920
negotiate with 128 or 126 regional

00:57:55.839 --> 00:57:58.839
councils. There's groups of councils and

00:57:58.880 --> 00:58:01.095
we all share the same I'm pretty certain

00:58:01.119 --> 00:58:03.496
we all share the same concerns with the

00:58:03.520 --> 00:58:06.520
RFS assets um and

00:58:07.280 --> 00:58:09.656
um if I could be blunt it's just duct

00:58:09.680 --> 00:58:12.680
shutting the issue um and they really

00:58:13.680 --> 00:58:15.976
need to take a good hard look at this

00:58:16.000 --> 00:58:19.000
and come back to it and okay delaying

00:58:19.119 --> 00:58:22.119
the decision may save them money in the

00:58:22.160 --> 00:58:24.055
short term. It's all it all comes down

00:58:24.079 --> 00:58:27.079
to money. We know that but ultimately by

00:58:27.280 --> 00:58:28.775
delaying it it's going to cost them more

00:58:28.799 --> 00:58:31.799
money. So um you know

00:58:33.680 --> 00:58:36.680
I'm astounded I could not agree with

00:58:36.799 --> 00:58:38.535
officer

00:58:38.559 --> 00:58:41.176
councelor Cameron more so devoted him

00:58:41.200 --> 00:58:44.200
and he's promoted me to the but the um

00:58:44.720 --> 00:58:45.976
but yeah it's just a really

00:58:46.000 --> 00:58:48.936
disappointing disappointing response. I

00:58:48.960 --> 00:58:50.136
think council me.

00:58:50.160 --> 00:58:52.376
Yeah. My question is obviously sort of

00:58:52.400 --> 00:58:55.176
read this document and I see a lot of

00:58:55.200 --> 00:58:56.616
the government's committed to this and

00:58:56.640 --> 00:58:58.216
the government's committed to that which

00:58:58.240 --> 00:59:00.535
is very concerning because you know what

00:59:00.559 --> 00:59:01.575
that means we're going to have a big

00:59:01.599 --> 00:59:04.376
hole. Um do we do they provide any

00:59:04.400 --> 00:59:06.055
modeling as to what this you know we're

00:59:06.079 --> 00:59:08.376
taking the assets insurance is there any

00:59:08.400 --> 00:59:10.055
modeling being given to us? Do we know

00:59:10.079 --> 00:59:11.736
what the impact is?

00:59:11.760 --> 00:59:13.416
Um through things, you know, we we've

00:59:13.440 --> 00:59:16.440
been given um a complete asset register

00:59:17.359 --> 00:59:20.055
as far as they've provided. There's been

00:59:20.079 --> 00:59:22.616
no verification from local government of

00:59:22.640 --> 00:59:25.256
what assets exist within their

00:59:25.280 --> 00:59:28.055
localities. So you're taking on face

00:59:28.079 --> 00:59:29.736
value here, here's an asset register

00:59:29.760 --> 00:59:32.216
provided by our agency. Can you go and

00:59:32.240 --> 00:59:34.376
book it to your accounts?

00:59:34.400 --> 00:59:37.256
Now where else would you fundamentally

00:59:37.280 --> 00:59:38.696
have a problem with that you know

00:59:38.720 --> 00:59:40.616
without ver verifying the useful life

00:59:40.640 --> 00:59:43.095
and condition of the asset and usability

00:59:43.119 --> 00:59:46.119
of the asset you know and repair of it.

00:59:46.160 --> 00:59:49.160
So um fundamentally we're at such a a

00:59:50.319 --> 00:59:53.176
variance of opinion with the the state

00:59:53.200 --> 00:59:55.095
government on this issue and I think

00:59:55.119 --> 00:59:58.119
fundamentally came down to when um treas

00:59:58.240 --> 00:59:59.656
when basically your doctors came

00:59:59.680 --> 01:00:02.376
involved treasury was you know thought

01:00:02.400 --> 01:00:03.896
that local government had booked all

01:00:03.920 --> 01:00:06.136
these on their their financial so the

01:00:06.160 --> 01:00:08.055
financial impacts were all now financial

01:00:08.079 --> 01:00:10.535
statements that's not the case all of a

01:00:10.559 --> 01:00:11.976
sudden you may have to go back to

01:00:12.000 --> 01:00:13.256
treasury and then have to go on the

01:00:13.280 --> 01:00:15.656
state government's books and you can

01:00:15.680 --> 01:00:17.335
They've got quite concerns around that.

01:00:17.359 --> 01:00:18.616
They've also got concerns around the

01:00:18.640 --> 01:00:20.936
legislative components that allow them

01:00:20.960 --> 01:00:23.896
to say this word vested means that it's

01:00:23.920 --> 01:00:26.055
actually the responsibility of councils

01:00:26.079 --> 01:00:27.256
even though the office of local

01:00:27.280 --> 01:00:29.815
government got advice which they did not

01:00:29.839 --> 01:00:32.456
provide publicly that did not support.

01:00:32.480 --> 01:00:34.055
So

01:00:34.079 --> 01:00:35.575
that was only released by a G

01:00:35.599 --> 01:00:38.295
application through government. Thank

01:00:38.319 --> 01:00:41.319
you. and cancel.

01:00:42.160 --> 01:00:44.936
Um it's quite clear that the government

01:00:44.960 --> 01:00:47.016
response to the inquiry is not pumped

01:00:47.040 --> 01:00:48.856
out well at this level

01:00:48.880 --> 01:00:51.496
but from just

01:00:51.520 --> 01:00:53.256
is there anything we can do? Should we

01:00:53.280 --> 01:00:55.815
respond to response

01:00:55.839 --> 01:00:58.839
and should we do it as the council or to

01:00:58.880 --> 01:00:59.736
the

01:00:59.760 --> 01:01:00.696
Yeah. Yeah, well the director can

01:01:00.720 --> 01:01:03.496
respond, but we've we've had

01:01:03.520 --> 01:01:05.815
mountains of Yeah, we certainly have.

01:01:05.839 --> 01:01:08.839
And and what led to this, you know, um

01:01:09.599 --> 01:01:11.256
parliamentary response was obviously we

01:01:11.280 --> 01:01:14.280
provided multiple submissions to get to

01:01:14.400 --> 01:01:16.936
the point of these recommendations that

01:01:16.960 --> 01:01:19.575
were put before government. So, you

01:01:19.599 --> 01:01:20.775
know, this is a response to a

01:01:20.799 --> 01:01:22.216
parliamentary inquiry. We've already

01:01:22.240 --> 01:01:23.976
provided all our background information

01:01:24.000 --> 01:01:26.456
and and details around that. It's really

01:01:26.480 --> 01:01:28.376
now waiting to see what does the award

01:01:28.400 --> 01:01:30.936
look like, what's going to be involved

01:01:30.960 --> 01:01:32.295
and how can we achieve the best

01:01:32.319 --> 01:01:35.256
outcomes. That's

01:01:35.280 --> 01:01:38.280
a real

01:01:39.839 --> 01:01:42.839
mess. All right. All in favor?

01:01:52.000 --> 01:01:53.976
So that's the correspondence. There's no

01:01:54.000 --> 01:01:56.055
light correspondence. So we'll move to

01:01:56.079 --> 01:01:59.016
the information only session section. Um

01:01:59.040 --> 01:02:01.016
the first item is a planning matter. So

01:02:01.040 --> 01:02:03.256
ask for move

01:02:03.280 --> 01:02:04.216
and seconded.

01:02:04.240 --> 01:02:07.240
 sorry Mr. Mr. Mayor we've missed the

01:02:08.400 --> 01:02:09.976
circular to council about regulation

01:02:10.000 --> 01:02:13.000
review with the correspondence 8.1.2

01:02:13.599 --> 01:02:13.976
um

01:02:14.000 --> 01:02:14.696
page 45

01:02:14.720 --> 01:02:17.720
page 45

01:02:19.119 --> 01:02:20.136
items of correspondence.

01:02:20.160 --> 01:02:20.936
Yeah.

01:02:20.960 --> 01:02:22.295
I just took that we were looking at all

01:02:22.319 --> 01:02:25.319
the correspond

01:02:37.680 --> 01:02:40.535
um it convenient inconveniently fell in

01:02:40.559 --> 01:02:42.376
between our meeting dates so we haven't

01:02:42.400 --> 01:02:44.696
had an opportunity to review that. Um

01:02:44.720 --> 01:02:46.856
has council made a submission in

01:02:46.880 --> 01:02:49.880
relation to this  review? No, we

01:02:50.319 --> 01:02:51.656
haven't co

01:02:51.680 --> 01:02:54.680
No, not not norion.

01:02:57.119 --> 01:03:00.119
Not sure on that.

01:03:00.799 --> 01:03:02.136
Sorry, I can't answer that.

01:03:02.160 --> 01:03:04.295
I don't believe so. No,

01:03:04.319 --> 01:03:04.856
that's all.

01:03:04.880 --> 01:03:06.376
When we do a joint submission, then I'll

01:03:06.400 --> 01:03:08.216
be ask for everybody else's submissions

01:03:08.240 --> 01:03:11.240
to provide um further input into a joint

01:03:11.920 --> 01:03:14.696
submission. So, I believe that this has

01:03:14.720 --> 01:03:16.295
caught everybody by surprise.

01:03:16.319 --> 01:03:18.856
Yes. Um I I

01:03:18.880 --> 01:03:21.880
it feels almost deliberate the um short

01:03:23.280 --> 01:03:25.575
time frame looking at when that was

01:03:25.599 --> 01:03:27.736
issued when we had the opportunity to

01:03:27.760 --> 01:03:29.736
provide responses. Anything coming

01:03:29.760 --> 01:03:31.656
through council really has a at the very

01:03:31.680 --> 01:03:34.456
minimum a 6 week um lead because we have

01:03:34.480 --> 01:03:37.480
to allow council officers here in court

01:03:38.480 --> 01:03:41.015
and for it to come to council. Um I

01:03:41.039 --> 01:03:42.216
don't think that's good enough that they

01:03:42.240 --> 01:03:45.015
give us that in such a short time frame.

01:03:45.039 --> 01:03:48.039
 how that's the comment

01:03:48.079 --> 01:03:49.896
noted. Um so it was received with

01:03:49.920 --> 01:03:51.656
correspondence and we're just back to

01:03:51.680 --> 01:03:54.680
10.1 on council. So has moved that item

01:03:56.079 --> 01:03:59.079
um and seconded by councelor Fligan. Um

01:04:00.400 --> 01:04:03.400
is there any discussion on um item 10.1?

01:04:09.280 --> 01:04:09.496


01:04:09.520 --> 01:04:10.936
has anyone got any discussion on

01:04:10.960 --> 01:04:13.960
development statistics report?

01:04:14.960 --> 01:04:17.496
No, if that's the case, I'll put the

01:04:17.520 --> 01:04:20.520
motion. All those in favor.

01:04:20.960 --> 01:04:23.960
Um, so the next we have items 10.2 to

01:04:24.160 --> 01:04:26.535
10.9 which are for information only. Um,

01:04:26.559 --> 01:04:29.256
I might just run down if anyone's got

01:04:29.280 --> 01:04:31.015
questions on specific items and then

01:04:31.039 --> 01:04:33.976
we'll do them collectively. So, council

01:04:34.000 --> 01:04:34.535
car

01:04:34.559 --> 01:04:37.559
 I have a question on 10.7 and a query

01:04:39.039 --> 01:04:41.176
on 9. Thank you.

01:04:41.200 --> 01:04:42.696
Thank you. on the left hand side of the

01:04:42.720 --> 01:04:45.720
table. Any any items there interest?

01:04:46.319 --> 01:04:48.616
Um

01:04:48.640 --> 01:04:51.015
I just wanted to just make some comment

01:04:51.039 --> 01:04:53.335
on the tourism medical development

01:04:53.359 --> 01:04:55.656
support which I don't have the number

01:04:55.680 --> 01:04:57.575
written down.

01:04:57.599 --> 01:04:58.136
Thank you.

01:04:58.160 --> 01:05:01.160
Yeah, very good. Um, councelor or anyone

01:05:02.799 --> 01:05:04.216
on the right hand side of the table want

01:05:04.240 --> 01:05:05.736
to make comments on any of the

01:05:05.760 --> 01:05:07.656
information.

01:05:07.680 --> 01:05:10.680
Council councel

01:05:11.599 --> 01:05:14.599
um

01:05:15.280 --> 01:05:18.280
the number

01:05:23.839 --> 01:05:25.095
one.6

01:05:25.119 --> 01:05:26.216
10.69

01:05:26.240 --> 01:05:29.240
Yeah, it's it's 7879 regarding the um

01:05:30.720 --> 01:05:33.720
the tourism numbers, but I can't see the

01:05:34.559 --> 01:05:37.256
actual number on it. I'll

01:05:37.280 --> 01:05:38.696
give you a little bit of time to locate

01:05:38.720 --> 01:05:41.335
that.

01:05:41.359 --> 01:05:43.256
I know you came past me.

01:05:43.280 --> 01:05:43.815
No, that's all right.

01:05:43.839 --> 01:05:46.696
I didn't stop you. Um 10.6 and 10.7,

01:05:46.720 --> 01:05:47.176
please.

01:05:47.200 --> 01:05:47.976
No worries.

01:05:48.000 --> 01:05:49.575
Thank you.

01:05:49.599 --> 01:05:52.599
10.7.

01:05:52.960 --> 01:05:55.256
Um, sorry, cancel planning and yours was

01:05:55.280 --> 01:05:57.015
10.8, was it? The grants report. Is that

01:05:57.039 --> 01:05:57.496
right?

01:05:57.520 --> 01:05:59.496
, yeah, it did just as well.

01:05:59.520 --> 01:06:01.736
Very good. So, could I have a mover for

01:06:01.760 --> 01:06:04.760
adopting 10.2 to 10.9 council and

01:06:04.960 --> 01:06:07.496
seconded by councelor Cameron? All

01:06:07.520 --> 01:06:10.520
right. So, we'll turn to questions. Um,

01:06:10.799 --> 01:06:13.799
the first one is on 10.6. Councelor

01:06:13.839 --> 01:06:16.775
Megan. I think

01:06:16.799 --> 01:06:17.656
I'm up already.

01:06:17.680 --> 01:06:20.456
Yeah. Yeah,

01:06:20.480 --> 01:06:22.055
they're all they're all cluted down

01:06:22.079 --> 01:06:24.136
here.

01:06:24.160 --> 01:06:27.160
Okay. So, um just page.

01:06:28.319 --> 01:06:28.775
Sorry.

01:06:28.799 --> 01:06:31.799
Yeah.

01:06:32.000 --> 01:06:34.055
It's on

01:06:34.079 --> 01:06:35.176
72. Yeah.

01:06:35.200 --> 01:06:38.200
22. Okay. So,

01:06:38.880 --> 01:06:41.656
um 72.

01:06:41.680 --> 01:06:44.680
So according to this um report there's

01:06:45.440 --> 01:06:47.736
there's no code of conduct complaints.

01:06:47.760 --> 01:06:49.656
Is that correct

01:06:49.680 --> 01:06:52.680
for the is that for for the sorry I need

01:06:53.520 --> 01:06:56.520
to correct that for the quarter

01:06:56.960 --> 01:06:59.960
 through the CA for the 12 months that

01:07:00.240 --> 01:07:02.936
that runs from the 1st of September 24

01:07:02.960 --> 01:07:05.960
to 31st of August 2025

01:07:07.039 --> 01:07:08.775
specific period.

01:07:08.799 --> 01:07:11.799
Specific period. So I know further on in

01:07:12.160 --> 01:07:15.160
the um in the p in the business page or

01:07:15.359 --> 01:07:16.696
I think it's in the next section they

01:07:16.720 --> 01:07:19.720
deal with code of conduct performance

01:07:19.839 --> 01:07:22.839
um for employees I know that's further

01:07:24.000 --> 01:07:25.256
down

01:07:25.280 --> 01:07:27.416
further down the business paper is that

01:07:27.440 --> 01:07:30.136
also related to this section too

01:07:30.160 --> 01:07:33.160
misconduct of employees code of conduct

01:07:33.280 --> 01:07:34.775
yes the code of conduct applies to

01:07:34.799 --> 01:07:37.799
code all staff all council staff okay so

01:07:38.319 --> 01:07:39.976
for the 12 month period there There was

01:07:40.000 --> 01:07:43.000
no code code of conduct issued for that

01:07:43.359 --> 01:07:44.936
12 month no document

01:07:44.960 --> 01:07:46.616
meaning a formal submission of a code

01:07:46.640 --> 01:07:48.696
formal submission. Okay.

01:07:48.720 --> 01:07:50.456
Thank you.

01:07:50.480 --> 01:07:53.480
Australia councelor's

01:07:53.599 --> 01:07:55.736
a general question regarding the number

01:07:55.760 --> 01:07:57.656
of complaints

01:07:57.680 --> 01:08:00.680
without sort of delving into the detail

01:08:00.720 --> 01:08:02.856
but we've all received complaints from

01:08:02.880 --> 01:08:04.775
constituents or by email or things like

01:08:04.799 --> 01:08:07.736
that regarding not being addressed items

01:08:07.760 --> 01:08:10.216
things taking too long.

01:08:10.240 --> 01:08:11.896
some have been addressed and been

01:08:11.920 --> 01:08:13.575
answered but should they still not be

01:08:13.599 --> 01:08:16.599
recorded and and then actioned because

01:08:17.440 --> 01:08:18.936
you know we are getting people we don't

01:08:18.960 --> 01:08:21.960
have an effective way of monitoring um

01:08:22.080 --> 01:08:23.735
as said we've all received them with a

01:08:23.759 --> 01:08:25.335
complaint I've written three times no

01:08:25.359 --> 01:08:27.735
one's responded to me it may be right or

01:08:27.759 --> 01:08:29.335
may not be right but the fact is it

01:08:29.359 --> 01:08:31.576
should be a if someone makes an official

01:08:31.600 --> 01:08:33.655
complaint should they not be registered

01:08:33.679 --> 01:08:36.135
here and then at least if it is action

01:08:36.159 --> 01:08:38.135
then say that was addressed because at

01:08:38.159 --> 01:08:41.159
the moment it seems like no one

01:08:43.279 --> 01:08:45.655
of things. So through this is clearly

01:08:45.679 --> 01:08:47.896
just to do with the code of conduct

01:08:47.920 --> 01:08:50.695
itself. So you know in relation to you

01:08:50.719 --> 01:08:52.695
might have had multiple complaints about

01:08:52.719 --> 01:08:54.536
a particular item could have been a

01:08:54.560 --> 01:08:56.295
planning issue or road issue or whatever

01:08:56.319 --> 01:08:59.175
else that this is relating purely to the

01:08:59.199 --> 01:09:02.199
conduct of counselors or of staff and

01:09:02.480 --> 01:09:03.976
they've been lodged through the official

01:09:04.000 --> 01:09:05.175
channels that are required under the

01:09:05.199 --> 01:09:07.655
code. It's not it's not just related to

01:09:07.679 --> 01:09:09.576
it's purely around that and it's to

01:09:09.600 --> 01:09:11.335
capture

01:09:11.359 --> 01:09:13.896
the minister poor behavior of counselors

01:09:13.920 --> 01:09:15.655
or staff and making sure it's getting

01:09:15.679 --> 01:09:17.255
managed. That's what this process is

01:09:17.279 --> 01:09:19.815
about. It's it's a statewide thing. It's

01:09:19.839 --> 01:09:22.839
right two different.

01:09:25.359 --> 01:09:28.359
Um then on item 10.7 tourism um I think

01:09:29.600 --> 01:09:31.255
had a comment on that as well.

01:09:31.279 --> 01:09:34.279
Just a quick one. Um it's on page 79. It

01:09:34.719 --> 01:09:36.376
says plans are underway for the addition

01:09:36.400 --> 01:09:39.335
of cabins at Paramount Park which I know

01:09:39.359 --> 01:09:42.359
that we did canvas at a prior meeting is

01:09:43.279 --> 01:09:46.279
how many cabins it just one by

01:09:47.120 --> 01:09:48.775
and what's the timeline for that?

01:09:48.799 --> 01:09:51.799
Yeah, we'll see comment on that. Um so

01:09:52.960 --> 01:09:55.096
there are plans to to place some cabins

01:09:55.120 --> 01:09:57.655
out there. We're very early in the the

01:09:57.679 --> 01:09:59.336
concept stage. We're in the scoping

01:09:59.360 --> 01:10:00.856
about

01:10:00.880 --> 01:10:02.456
um

01:10:02.480 --> 01:10:04.215
the funding that we've got is likely

01:10:04.239 --> 01:10:06.135
going to allow us to to place around

01:10:06.159 --> 01:10:07.336
about six I would say.

01:10:07.360 --> 01:10:08.536
Oh, that's great.

01:10:08.560 --> 01:10:11.560
Okay. And they'll be led obviously to

01:10:11.600 --> 01:10:13.896
holiday makers. Will there be any

01:10:13.920 --> 01:10:15.655
permanent residency or is there any

01:10:15.679 --> 01:10:18.679
plans for any permanent person on?

01:10:18.800 --> 01:10:20.776
No, the plans are for them to be purely

01:10:20.800 --> 01:10:23.096
about tourism and boosting  economic

01:10:23.120 --> 01:10:25.336
development and allowing the turnover of

01:10:25.360 --> 01:10:27.096
people in the area. Yeah.

01:10:27.120 --> 01:10:28.536
Thank you.

01:10:28.560 --> 01:10:31.560
 thank you and council Cameron.

01:10:31.840 --> 01:10:34.536
Thanks Mr. Mayor.  a question about

01:10:34.560 --> 01:10:37.560
the um number of people that attended

01:10:37.679 --> 01:10:40.616
the  Ablockan Art Culture Heritage

01:10:40.640 --> 01:10:42.936
Trail during the recent garden festival

01:10:42.960 --> 01:10:45.896
heritage trail um  weekend which was

01:10:45.920 --> 01:10:48.920
great.  I could be misreading this but

01:10:49.120 --> 01:10:50.856
it says the tourism I'm looking at the

01:10:50.880 --> 01:10:53.175
top of page 79. The tourism team have

01:10:53.199 --> 01:10:55.016
also been focusing on the upper lock art

01:10:55.040 --> 01:10:56.376
culture and heritage trail. well

01:10:56.400 --> 01:10:58.856
attended event with 41 exhibitors

01:10:58.880 --> 01:11:00.936
displaying over 25 sites across our show

01:11:00.960 --> 01:11:03.960
and approximately 1,300 visitors.

01:11:04.320 --> 01:11:07.096
That seems to me to be an extraordinary

01:11:07.120 --> 01:11:10.120
number of people that went to the art

01:11:10.159 --> 01:11:12.456
culture and heritage trail. That's

01:11:12.480 --> 01:11:14.776
that's an enormous number. I just wonder

01:11:14.800 --> 01:11:17.496
if there's it's either a typo or I'm

01:11:17.520 --> 01:11:19.896
misreading it.

01:11:19.920 --> 01:11:22.920
I'd love to take it on notice. I think

01:11:24.080 --> 01:11:24.936
come as well.

01:11:24.960 --> 01:11:26.536
The only thing you

01:11:26.560 --> 01:11:28.856
actually have some numbers on that. So

01:11:28.880 --> 01:11:31.880
just a few only smack. So um the tea

01:11:32.560 --> 01:11:35.560
house gallery had 250 people. The cook

01:11:37.760 --> 01:11:39.896
photography had 150 and the same for the

01:11:39.920 --> 01:11:42.856
CWA rooms. Right out of chewer they had

01:11:42.880 --> 01:11:45.880
22 people. I don't have X numbers or any

01:11:46.880 --> 01:11:49.880
of the other sites.

01:11:49.920 --> 01:11:52.920
So, um, they soon add up. Um, look,

01:11:53.199 --> 01:11:54.616
there were people attending those

01:11:54.640 --> 01:11:56.856
things. I engaged with Southern Table

01:11:56.880 --> 01:11:59.880
Hands Arts. Um, and I can see whether

01:12:00.080 --> 01:12:02.616
they've been tagged in photos, etc. ,

01:12:02.640 --> 01:12:04.456
they certainly were engaged. It was a

01:12:04.480 --> 01:12:06.776
pilot program. Let's see how it went. I

01:12:06.800 --> 01:12:09.256
think it was successful. Yes, all of

01:12:09.280 --> 01:12:10.376
these things. There's going to be little

01:12:10.400 --> 01:12:13.400
hiccups, etc. as we go through there. Um

01:12:14.960 --> 01:12:17.016
it was it was very good when you look at

01:12:17.040 --> 01:12:20.040
the um data from Southern Taboon's Arts

01:12:20.880 --> 01:12:23.736
and indeed from our own um social media

01:12:23.760 --> 01:12:26.760
engagement there on page 80. There is a

01:12:27.920 --> 01:12:30.920
pick um and Southern the Vantage

01:12:30.960 --> 01:12:32.695
Southern Table Arts did a lot of

01:12:32.719 --> 01:12:35.016
promotion on behalf of council at no

01:12:35.040 --> 01:12:37.496
cost  which promoted this not only

01:12:37.520 --> 01:12:39.496
across our region but across the state

01:12:39.520 --> 01:12:41.816
and across all of Australia. So I think

01:12:41.840 --> 01:12:44.135
that they should be com um commended and

01:12:44.159 --> 01:12:46.776
thanked for that work that they have

01:12:46.800 --> 01:12:49.800
done for us and um it was a success.

01:12:50.080 --> 01:12:50.936
It's a good start.

01:12:50.960 --> 01:12:52.616
No, that's good. And look, I think it's

01:12:52.640 --> 01:12:55.256
also fair to say it's 1300 visits like

01:12:55.280 --> 01:12:57.416
that might involve 600 people like if

01:12:57.440 --> 01:12:59.976
they go to three or four things,

01:13:00.000 --> 01:13:01.655
but nonetheless, it's been very

01:13:01.679 --> 01:13:04.679
successful.

01:13:05.520 --> 01:13:08.376
Sorry, that including 150.

01:13:08.400 --> 01:13:10.536
No, it was a separate event. Yeah, it

01:13:10.560 --> 01:13:12.135
was a separate weekend. This was this

01:13:12.159 --> 01:13:13.976
happened to be on the same weekend as

01:13:14.000 --> 01:13:16.296
the football garden festival

01:13:16.320 --> 01:13:18.776
and that explains the peak.

01:13:18.800 --> 01:13:21.336
Yeah. Um, we'll move on to the grants

01:13:21.360 --> 01:13:22.056
report. I believe

01:13:22.080 --> 01:13:23.655
I've just had some other questions in

01:13:23.679 --> 01:13:24.936
relation to that report.

01:13:24.960 --> 01:13:27.576
Yeah. Um, so I've been out to the

01:13:27.600 --> 01:13:30.456
Gunning Show ground a number of times

01:13:30.480 --> 01:13:33.480
over recent months and I've been

01:13:33.520 --> 01:13:36.296
astonished by what I see is a a sudden

01:13:36.320 --> 01:13:38.616
increase in the number of caravans um

01:13:38.640 --> 01:13:41.640
across the show ground. Um, free camping

01:13:42.080 --> 01:13:45.080
is very popular. Um I'm would like to

01:13:45.920 --> 01:13:48.536
know um and we can come back with this

01:13:48.560 --> 01:13:51.560
is is this impacting on the capacity to

01:13:52.560 --> 01:13:55.560
maintain or easily maintain the show

01:13:55.600 --> 01:13:57.816
ground and that there's caravan

01:13:57.840 --> 01:14:00.840
sprinkled around um

01:14:01.360 --> 01:14:03.016
does and does it impact on the other

01:14:03.040 --> 01:14:05.096
users who are the regular users there at

01:14:05.120 --> 01:14:08.120
the showground. Um perhaps I thinking

01:14:08.239 --> 01:14:09.976
whether we might I might put a a

01:14:10.000 --> 01:14:13.000
question coming up to another meeting on

01:14:13.280 --> 01:14:16.280
that. Yes, it might ask.

01:14:17.760 --> 01:14:19.736
I don't know if there's information at

01:14:19.760 --> 01:14:22.215
this point.

01:14:22.239 --> 01:14:25.016
I'll make a comment and then I'll ask

01:14:25.040 --> 01:14:27.016
a little bit extra because it more than

01:14:27.040 --> 01:14:30.040
one areas also involves park.

01:14:31.280 --> 01:14:33.256
I will say it's very difficult to manage

01:14:33.280 --> 01:14:36.280
that site in terms of free camping and

01:14:37.199 --> 01:14:39.896
I'm going to say free camping because I

01:14:39.920 --> 01:14:41.416
know that we've had some issues out

01:14:41.440 --> 01:14:43.016
there where we've had people break into

01:14:43.040 --> 01:14:44.936
the power boxes and effectively steel

01:14:44.960 --> 01:14:47.736
power and there's also been a number of

01:14:47.760 --> 01:14:49.655
instance of people either breaking the

01:14:49.679 --> 01:14:51.976
taps because we do have lockable taps on

01:14:52.000 --> 01:14:53.816
there you know you take the top off or a

01:14:53.840 --> 01:14:55.655
lock on it and people have actually

01:14:55.679 --> 01:14:57.896
damaged those to well there's no other

01:14:57.920 --> 01:14:59.816
way around it it's stealing so to steal

01:14:59.840 --> 01:15:02.840
water fill very large tanks. So, in that

01:15:02.960 --> 01:15:05.496
regard, it with tourism, it's been very

01:15:05.520 --> 01:15:07.816
difficult to manage. Um, and of course,

01:15:07.840 --> 01:15:09.416
we're not gaining any revenue from that

01:15:09.440 --> 01:15:11.336
with it being free. And then we're still

01:15:11.360 --> 01:15:13.016
cleaning the toilets and doing all these

01:15:13.040 --> 01:15:14.376
things. That might be something for the

01:15:14.400 --> 01:15:15.896
future that we're thinking about. I hand

01:15:15.920 --> 01:15:17.736
over time and then I think council wants

01:15:17.760 --> 01:15:20.760
to ask

01:15:21.199 --> 01:15:24.199
probably reinforcing those comments in a

01:15:24.239 --> 01:15:26.776
very simple term.

01:15:26.800 --> 01:15:28.376
Does it have an impact on our

01:15:28.400 --> 01:15:30.456
operational

01:15:30.480 --> 01:15:33.480
costs? The answer is yes. Um

01:15:34.159 --> 01:15:36.856
the challenges we also have faced from

01:15:36.880 --> 01:15:38.695
feedback from the community through the

01:15:38.719 --> 01:15:40.776
section 355

01:15:40.800 --> 01:15:43.800
is that when they are having events that

01:15:45.199 --> 01:15:47.976
are booked in, they have some conflict

01:15:48.000 --> 01:15:51.000
where caravans may be set up. Um I think

01:15:51.520 --> 01:15:52.936
probably the biggest one which would be

01:15:52.960 --> 01:15:54.536
noticeable is the cleaning of the

01:15:54.560 --> 01:15:57.256
facilities. , we can clean them. We

01:15:57.280 --> 01:15:58.936
clean them three days a week. So, we

01:15:58.960 --> 01:16:00.776
might clean them on a Monday. And I'm

01:16:00.800 --> 01:16:02.135
going to be honest, I've walked in there

01:16:02.159 --> 01:16:03.496
and there's probably times I wouldn't

01:16:03.520 --> 01:16:05.175
even consider having a shower in there

01:16:05.199 --> 01:16:07.256
because they are left in a pretty poor

01:16:07.280 --> 01:16:09.896
state.

01:16:09.920 --> 01:16:12.920
All right. Thank you. Um, grants report,

01:16:13.679 --> 01:16:15.976
council.

01:16:16.000 --> 01:16:18.616
Um, looking at the

01:16:18.640 --> 01:16:21.640
council.

01:16:22.800 --> 01:16:25.736
Thank you. I was correct. I think

01:16:25.760 --> 01:16:28.376
correct

01:16:28.400 --> 01:16:31.400
council does have a section 355 advisory

01:16:31.920 --> 01:16:34.920
committee for be show and sh hall.  I

01:16:37.280 --> 01:16:39.896
haven't seen their most recent report.

01:16:39.920 --> 01:16:42.920
I'm not sure whether this council has

01:16:43.280 --> 01:16:46.215
received but but that's the committee

01:16:46.239 --> 01:16:48.536
that should be providing advice or

01:16:48.560 --> 01:16:51.560
council on the  issues around the show

01:16:51.840 --> 01:16:54.616
ground. Now, having been associated with

01:16:54.640 --> 01:16:57.016
that area for some time, I know there's

01:16:57.040 --> 01:16:59.655
been a whole history about camping on

01:16:59.679 --> 01:17:02.679
the show ground has been only partly

01:17:03.199 --> 01:17:05.496
resolved by having signs that says where

01:17:05.520 --> 01:17:08.520
it should be. However, I have not count

01:17:09.120 --> 01:17:12.056
the signs are counterintuitive

01:17:12.080 --> 01:17:13.976
really stand on your head and make sense

01:17:14.000 --> 01:17:16.695
of them.

01:17:16.719 --> 01:17:19.719
But such a science issue, I mean, people

01:17:19.760 --> 01:17:22.376
don't regard science anyway. ly through

01:17:22.400 --> 01:17:25.016
all can there have been instances where

01:17:25.040 --> 01:17:27.496
the power has been power have been

01:17:27.520 --> 01:17:29.736
broken into and it's been an issue over

01:17:29.760 --> 01:17:32.616
many years I don't have an immediate

01:17:32.640 --> 01:17:34.296
solutions and that's why we have an

01:17:34.320 --> 01:17:35.816
advisory committee

01:17:35.840 --> 01:17:38.840
very good just to um carry on from that

01:17:39.199 --> 01:17:42.199
as the delegate on that 355 committee um

01:17:42.960 --> 01:17:45.960
they  forwarded the latest minutes um

01:17:46.640 --> 01:17:48.936
last two days ago

01:17:48.960 --> 01:17:51.336
when I could

01:17:51.360 --> 01:17:54.360
Yeah, very recently. Um the issue in

01:17:55.040 --> 01:17:57.336
regards to campers is an ongoing one

01:17:57.360 --> 01:18:00.360
with that 355.  I've been theing with

01:18:00.480 --> 01:18:03.480
the director. Um I know that we have

01:18:03.520 --> 01:18:06.520
plans to have appropriate signage. Um,

01:18:08.320 --> 01:18:11.320
it's a constant bug bed because that

01:18:11.520 --> 01:18:13.416
area is only supposed to be used as an

01:18:13.440 --> 01:18:16.440
overflow from Marble Park, but there's

01:18:17.520 --> 01:18:19.256
we don't have a council ranger who works

01:18:19.280 --> 01:18:21.976
on the weekend who completes it. Um, so

01:18:22.000 --> 01:18:24.856
it just becomes a bit of a freeall. 

01:18:24.880 --> 01:18:26.936
the map which shows where people can

01:18:26.960 --> 01:18:29.816
park  park supposed to park their

01:18:29.840 --> 01:18:32.840
recreational vehicles is um I to to be

01:18:34.000 --> 01:18:35.816
generous I would have to say returnally

01:18:35.840 --> 01:18:38.840
ignored um and the  yeah it's pretty

01:18:40.960 --> 01:18:43.655
much freeforall there and it's it's very

01:18:43.679 --> 01:18:46.679
difficult to please and it would be an

01:18:47.360 --> 01:18:50.360
an unreoverable impost on um council to

01:18:52.719 --> 01:18:54.616
have an operational staff member

01:18:54.640 --> 01:18:57.256
to be patrolling that  area every

01:18:57.280 --> 01:19:00.280
weekend to um to enforce the the rules

01:19:01.199 --> 01:19:04.199
but  I know the director and  the c

01:19:05.040 --> 01:19:07.576
the operations side of council is trying

01:19:07.600 --> 01:19:10.135
to address that issue.

01:19:10.159 --> 01:19:12.456
Thank you. Um

01:19:12.480 --> 01:19:12.856
council

01:19:12.880 --> 01:19:15.096
just a quick is obviously we obviously

01:19:15.120 --> 01:19:16.695
got problems on these sites. Does it

01:19:16.719 --> 01:19:19.175
probably look at investing some most

01:19:19.199 --> 01:19:20.695
councils are doing it now in some sort

01:19:20.719 --> 01:19:23.096
of electronic security that we should

01:19:23.120 --> 01:19:25.976
invest in as

01:19:26.000 --> 01:19:27.896
CCTV and things like that at least if

01:19:27.920 --> 01:19:29.256
people are driving in we capture a

01:19:29.280 --> 01:19:31.655
number plate if they dam if they're not

01:19:31.679 --> 01:19:33.576
registered we can say okay well you

01:19:33.600 --> 01:19:36.600
can't there came and when you left you I

01:19:36.719 --> 01:19:38.616
don't know this happy to help us what I

01:19:38.640 --> 01:19:40.056
do for living but I'm happy to help you

01:19:40.080 --> 01:19:42.856
there but that's that's really not not

01:19:42.880 --> 01:19:44.936
staying free camping sites no it's just

01:19:44.960 --> 01:19:47.736
a But yeah, I mean everybody's we did a

01:19:47.760 --> 01:19:50.296
tour recently and most of the pre-amping

01:19:50.320 --> 01:19:52.536
sites had some level of electronic check

01:19:52.560 --> 01:19:54.776
in had some sort of surveillance camera

01:19:54.800 --> 01:19:57.655
when you drive in you know and you and

01:19:57.679 --> 01:19:59.896
maybe it's just

01:19:59.920 --> 01:20:02.536
you know you know an honesty system at

01:20:02.560 --> 01:20:04.135
the end of the day but at least if we do

01:20:04.159 --> 01:20:05.976
haven't given bands and things like that

01:20:06.000 --> 01:20:07.576
we got some hope of tracking someone

01:20:07.600 --> 01:20:10.215
down just a thought

01:20:10.239 --> 01:20:12.296
something we can look into again it's

01:20:12.320 --> 01:20:14.056
the cost of somebody then having to

01:20:14.080 --> 01:20:17.080
follow

01:20:18.000 --> 01:20:20.215
to take down.

01:20:20.239 --> 01:20:22.616
Can I please get my question? This this

01:20:22.640 --> 01:20:24.856
is

01:20:24.880 --> 01:20:27.016
um just  in relation to the social

01:20:27.040 --> 01:20:29.096
media performance

01:20:29.120 --> 01:20:32.120
and I note that we had 69,400

01:20:34.320 --> 01:20:36.776
 views which means they clicked on and

01:20:36.800 --> 01:20:39.175
clicked off  because then you go to

01:20:39.199 --> 01:20:42.199
the 3second and the 1 minute and so on

01:20:42.320 --> 01:20:45.320
um down the down the line. I'm just

01:20:45.360 --> 01:20:48.360
wondering um if there's any way of

01:20:49.520 --> 01:20:51.496
getting

01:20:51.520 --> 01:20:54.135
more information from this data in terms

01:20:54.159 --> 01:20:57.159
of conversions. So um for example, you

01:20:57.760 --> 01:20:59.736
saying that there were 300 odd people

01:20:59.760 --> 01:21:01.896
that went to the

01:21:01.920 --> 01:21:04.920
1,300 people that attended the Artra

01:21:04.960 --> 01:21:07.576
Trail and Heritage Trail. How many of

01:21:07.600 --> 01:21:10.600
those actually found out about it on

01:21:10.960 --> 01:21:13.416
social media or were enticed to come

01:21:13.440 --> 01:21:16.376
here via social media? Have we got any

01:21:16.400 --> 01:21:19.400
of that granular or information that we

01:21:19.440 --> 01:21:22.440
can we can source from this um

01:21:22.800 --> 01:21:25.336
information that we're gathering?

01:21:25.360 --> 01:21:27.016
I don't know that we'd be able to source

01:21:27.040 --> 01:21:28.536
exactly that without asking those

01:21:28.560 --> 01:21:30.135
questions at the time, but I do believe

01:21:30.159 --> 01:21:31.976
that there is another website that may

01:21:32.000 --> 01:21:35.000
we may be able to um separate some of

01:21:35.520 --> 01:21:37.736
the information with regards to

01:21:37.760 --> 01:21:40.215
specifically to

01:21:40.239 --> 01:21:41.896
yeah I do believe that there is a

01:21:41.920 --> 01:21:44.856
website which was partly STO that we may

01:21:44.880 --> 01:21:47.880
be able to del deeper into specific that

01:21:48.640 --> 01:21:50.856
separate from all the different things

01:21:50.880 --> 01:21:52.776
in social media forms

01:21:52.800 --> 01:21:55.496
no just the diagnostic

01:21:55.520 --> 01:21:57.416
diagnostic just at that particular thing

01:21:57.440 --> 01:21:58.695
because I know that there was like a

01:21:58.719 --> 01:22:00.856
separate website we may be able to do

01:22:00.880 --> 01:22:01.576
that

01:22:01.600 --> 01:22:03.175
excellent I just noticed you with the

01:22:03.199 --> 01:22:06.056
two pigs in this we had quick share we

01:22:06.080 --> 01:22:08.296
at the garden festival. We had the pig

01:22:08.320 --> 01:22:10.536
races. We had a number of things

01:22:10.560 --> 01:22:12.936
happening in a fairly short period of

01:22:12.960 --> 01:22:15.960
time and  the the social media around

01:22:17.679 --> 01:22:20.679
these um and the general media around

01:22:21.120 --> 01:22:22.936
these would have given us a spike which

01:22:22.960 --> 01:22:24.856
it has and that's really really good to

01:22:24.880 --> 01:22:27.880
see but it's it's been trying to get get

01:22:28.159 --> 01:22:30.936
it filtered in terms of what is

01:22:30.960 --> 01:22:33.416
successful for us what isn't so that we

01:22:33.440 --> 01:22:36.376
can learn from it. Thank you. Sorry to

01:22:36.400 --> 01:22:39.256
miss you there, Council RS. Um, ,

01:22:39.280 --> 01:22:42.280
grants report and council.

01:22:43.679 --> 01:22:46.679
Yeah. , sorry. Um, so just general

01:22:47.520 --> 01:22:49.336
comments, the holiday um, break program

01:22:49.360 --> 01:22:51.336
looks fantastic and a fresh start. Um,

01:22:51.360 --> 01:22:53.736
what a great opportunity for our youth

01:22:53.760 --> 01:22:56.615
with those um, employment opportunities.

01:22:56.639 --> 01:22:58.936
Um, I don't think we'll do anything

01:22:58.960 --> 01:23:01.496
better than that to retain our youth in

01:23:01.520 --> 01:23:04.296
um, the area. On page 84, I see that

01:23:04.320 --> 01:23:07.320
we've missed out on the viol trust grant

01:23:07.600 --> 01:23:10.056
for the disability access to the

01:23:10.080 --> 01:23:12.615
administration building here. And I'm

01:23:12.639 --> 01:23:14.296
wondering what feedback we've got on why

01:23:14.320 --> 01:23:17.320
we missed that. Um I can see and I have

01:23:18.560 --> 01:23:21.016
experience in in um attending the

01:23:21.040 --> 01:23:22.936
building with people with disability

01:23:22.960 --> 01:23:25.576
that access to that office is difficult

01:23:25.600 --> 01:23:28.600
for people with mobility issues. And um

01:23:28.639 --> 01:23:31.639
I think we need to  really push to to

01:23:32.560 --> 01:23:35.560
have that um addressed

01:23:35.840 --> 01:23:37.816
um

01:23:37.840 --> 01:23:40.376
how what of course funding always comes

01:23:40.400 --> 01:23:42.056
into these things but have that

01:23:42.080 --> 01:23:45.080
addressed um also I can see there on

01:23:45.520 --> 01:23:47.496
page 86 in terms of disability we're

01:23:47.520 --> 01:23:50.520
looking at the um access for the through

01:23:50.880 --> 01:23:53.880
creative capital for the  guning um

01:23:57.120 --> 01:24:00.056
sites. at the at the  hall and at the

01:24:00.080 --> 01:24:03.016
courthouse. Fantastic. You know, just to

01:24:03.040 --> 01:24:05.336
see that those steps into the courthouse

01:24:05.360 --> 01:24:08.360
are even and and  and and much safer

01:24:08.880 --> 01:24:10.776
and those ramps and it's, you know,

01:24:10.800 --> 01:24:13.576
we're looking here from um inclusion.

01:24:13.600 --> 01:24:16.056
What a great thing for these people.

01:24:16.080 --> 01:24:18.376
Page 85. I'm looking forward to the

01:24:18.400 --> 01:24:20.456
appointment of the heritage advisor.

01:24:20.480 --> 01:24:23.480
Boy, have I got some ideas.

01:24:24.639 --> 01:24:27.639
I think you know that

01:24:27.679 --> 01:24:29.256
but that's more comment than anything

01:24:29.280 --> 01:24:31.175
but I really would like to to know did

01:24:31.199 --> 01:24:34.199
we have feedback in relation to that um

01:24:34.239 --> 01:24:37.239
access here for the the  offices here

01:24:38.239 --> 01:24:40.536
we did receive feedback and the feedback

01:24:40.560 --> 01:24:43.096
was essentially they felt that there was

01:24:43.120 --> 01:24:46.056
enough of a community impact now what I

01:24:46.080 --> 01:24:48.856
think that they meant by that was that

01:24:48.880 --> 01:24:51.816
they have possibly misinterpreted or

01:24:51.840 --> 01:24:53.576
were looking at holistically being part

01:24:53.600 --> 01:24:56.456
of the council building. Okay. That's

01:24:56.480 --> 01:24:58.215
that's the issue we've got because it's

01:24:58.239 --> 01:25:00.376
part of a council building challenge.

01:25:00.400 --> 01:25:03.016
We're delivering this part council part

01:25:03.040 --> 01:25:05.496
external service. Yes. And they felt

01:25:05.520 --> 01:25:08.215
that there wasn't a community.

01:25:08.239 --> 01:25:11.239
I think by that they mean it wasn't a

01:25:12.239 --> 01:25:15.239
library or a community center.

01:25:16.159 --> 01:25:19.159
All right. Thank you.

01:25:19.199 --> 01:25:20.615
Thank you.

01:25:20.639 --> 01:25:22.296
All right. We'll move on to the action

01:25:22.320 --> 01:25:25.320
summary and

01:25:25.440 --> 01:25:28.440
 Peeku. Ah yes.  thanks Mr. Mayor.

01:25:30.239 --> 01:25:33.239
Um my question relates to the um first

01:25:33.840 --> 01:25:36.840
item on the table  which is the um

01:25:38.639 --> 01:25:41.639
130/24. This is on  the council's

01:25:42.000 --> 01:25:45.000
follow  page 87.  this is the

01:25:45.040 --> 01:25:46.536
closure of the road reserve at Wilton

01:25:46.560 --> 01:25:48.615
Lane Groer Street and the rail 

01:25:48.639 --> 01:25:50.376
corridor at Gunning. This is the land

01:25:50.400 --> 01:25:52.376
that is earmarked for a relocation of

01:25:52.400 --> 01:25:54.936
the RFS shed in

01:25:54.960 --> 01:25:57.960
I've been corrected by um  senior

01:25:58.560 --> 01:26:00.776
local RFS staff that I perhaps should

01:26:00.800 --> 01:26:03.256
stop calling it a shed now because it is

01:26:03.280 --> 01:26:06.280
in fact a station RFS station  because

01:26:06.719 --> 01:26:08.776
it will be much more equipped than the

01:26:08.800 --> 01:26:11.800
grab and go shed is when it's finished

01:26:12.320 --> 01:26:15.256
jealous. Um  I just so my query really

01:26:15.280 --> 01:26:16.936
is just how we going with that. Are we

01:26:16.960 --> 01:26:19.256
on time? Are we are we going to be able

01:26:19.280 --> 01:26:21.816
to meet the time frame that is that is

01:26:21.840 --> 01:26:23.655
spoken about in there that is  you

01:26:23.679 --> 01:26:25.655
know for the for the first  in the

01:26:25.679 --> 01:26:28.679
first part of next year

01:26:28.960 --> 01:26:30.615
through the CEO. Thank you councelor for

01:26:30.639 --> 01:26:33.639
asking that question. Um

01:26:33.679 --> 01:26:35.816
as far as I understand that things are

01:26:35.840 --> 01:26:38.536
in order. I can make an inquiry with the

01:26:38.560 --> 01:26:41.175
solicitor who is  who we have engaged

01:26:41.199 --> 01:26:44.056
to progress these matters and see which

01:26:44.080 --> 01:26:47.080
stage it is at. Um typically in every

01:26:47.280 --> 01:26:50.215
stage there is a bit of time um to

01:26:50.239 --> 01:26:52.695
address any issues etc. review and

01:26:52.719 --> 01:26:55.175
feedback etc. So I can make an inquiry

01:26:55.199 --> 01:26:56.936
and I'll come back to you on this

01:26:56.960 --> 01:26:58.215
matter. I will take a note.

01:26:58.239 --> 01:27:00.215
Fantastic. Thank you very much.

01:27:00.239 --> 01:27:02.615
Thank you.

01:27:02.639 --> 01:27:05.639
I believe I am on the sh.

01:27:06.000 --> 01:27:06.376
No

01:27:06.400 --> 01:27:06.776
no

01:27:06.800 --> 01:27:09.800
no just put my in the wrong place.

01:27:12.880 --> 01:27:14.536
Very good. All right. All right. Well,

01:27:14.560 --> 01:27:16.376
if there's no further discussion on the

01:27:16.400 --> 01:27:18.536
motion items, um I'll put the motion

01:27:18.560 --> 01:27:20.296
which has been moved and seconded to

01:27:20.320 --> 01:27:22.776
accept the motion items. All those in

01:27:22.800 --> 01:27:24.135
favor?

01:27:24.159 --> 01:27:26.376
All right, that's carried unanimously.

01:27:26.400 --> 01:27:29.016
Thank you. We'll move on now to 

01:27:29.040 --> 01:27:30.615
reports from senior committee starting

01:27:30.639 --> 01:27:33.639
with environment and planning um item

01:27:34.000 --> 01:27:37.000
11.1 which is page 97.

01:27:40.000 --> 01:27:43.000
um in relation to the

01:27:44.320 --> 01:27:46.695
subdivision

01:27:46.719 --> 01:27:49.719
um residential subdivision DA692015.

01:27:51.120 --> 01:27:54.120
Um there is a

01:27:54.480 --> 01:27:57.480
recommendation there a mover for the

01:27:57.679 --> 01:27:59.336
recommendation

01:27:59.360 --> 01:28:02.360
move by councelor RS and seconded by

01:28:02.480 --> 01:28:05.480
councelor S. Um I'll hand over to

01:28:06.560 --> 01:28:09.096
director of planning for any comments on

01:28:09.120 --> 01:28:10.695
the report.

01:28:10.719 --> 01:28:13.719
Thank you Mr. Mayor. Um CEO council

01:28:13.920 --> 01:28:15.896
basically got a development application

01:28:15.920 --> 01:28:18.920
for a res residential subdivision

01:28:19.360 --> 01:28:22.360
 on the road leading into

01:28:23.440 --> 01:28:26.440
approximately a 99 subdivision. Um the

01:28:28.000 --> 01:28:31.000
main factor to consider at this point

01:28:31.600 --> 01:28:34.376
we are only considering that stage one

01:28:34.400 --> 01:28:37.175
of this application. It's a core stage

01:28:37.199 --> 01:28:39.016
development application. This

01:28:39.040 --> 01:28:42.040
application relates to stage one. Um so

01:28:43.920 --> 01:28:46.135
it's basically at the rear of the lot.

01:28:46.159 --> 01:28:49.159
Um it's been advertised. There are a

01:28:50.000 --> 01:28:52.215
number of submissions raised by the

01:28:52.239 --> 01:28:53.816
community and some things about

01:28:53.840 --> 01:28:56.135
government agencies.  predominant

01:28:56.159 --> 01:28:59.159
related to access land use conflict 

01:28:59.920 --> 01:29:02.215
insufficient infrastructure drainage

01:29:02.239 --> 01:29:05.175
line and so forth.  those comments

01:29:05.199 --> 01:29:07.175
were provided back to the applicant to

01:29:07.199 --> 01:29:09.096
address with further information being

01:29:09.120 --> 01:29:12.120
provided. Um council have assessed the

01:29:12.800 --> 01:29:15.800
application in line with section 4.15

01:29:16.560 --> 01:29:18.615
of the environmental planning assessment

01:29:18.639 --> 01:29:21.639
act and believe that all issues as

01:29:22.000 --> 01:29:25.000
raised can be adequately addressed

01:29:25.280 --> 01:29:28.280
through conditions of consent um and are

01:29:28.880 --> 01:29:31.175
recommending approval subject to those

01:29:31.199 --> 01:29:33.336
conditions.

01:29:33.360 --> 01:29:36.296
Thank you. Um,

01:29:36.320 --> 01:29:38.856
have we got any um questions on the

01:29:38.880 --> 01:29:41.880
matter? Yeah, councelor Cameron.

01:29:42.400 --> 01:29:44.135
Thanks. Thanks, Mr. Mayor. , and

01:29:44.159 --> 01:29:46.536
thanks to the director for the intro on

01:29:46.560 --> 01:29:49.560
that. Um, so a preamble on a question.

01:29:49.760 --> 01:29:52.695
Um, the land is zoned AU5 village now,

01:29:52.719 --> 01:29:54.215
so we're not we're not engaged in a

01:29:54.239 --> 01:29:56.376
reszoning exercise. So, I think that's

01:29:56.400 --> 01:29:59.096
 clear to see that the proposed use

01:29:59.120 --> 01:30:01.096
for this subdivision matches the zoning.

01:30:01.120 --> 01:30:03.496
Um 

01:30:03.520 --> 01:30:05.816
the full development of this entire

01:30:05.840 --> 01:30:08.840
subdivision, the all four   stages

01:30:11.120 --> 01:30:14.120
would just about um

01:30:15.120 --> 01:30:18.120
 replicate the entirety of the current

01:30:18.239 --> 01:30:21.239
gunning um settlement.  double it. 

01:30:22.239 --> 01:30:25.239
it's it's an enormous um  proposition.

01:30:25.520 --> 01:30:28.520
a a um a fundamentally profound change

01:30:31.520 --> 01:30:34.520
to the character of that that terrific

01:30:35.280 --> 01:30:37.816
that terrific village. Um there's no

01:30:37.840 --> 01:30:40.215
sense of time frame around this that I

01:30:40.239 --> 01:30:43.239
that I understood from the report. Um so

01:30:44.000 --> 01:30:45.336
they're kind of some reservations I

01:30:45.360 --> 01:30:47.416
have. I'm relieved that they're all at

01:30:47.440 --> 01:30:50.296
least 2,000. Um no, they're all 1acre

01:30:50.320 --> 01:30:52.376
blocks, 4,000. Um they're big blocks,

01:30:52.400 --> 01:30:54.695
which is which is terrific. Um, I have

01:30:54.719 --> 01:30:57.336
major concerns about sewer and water

01:30:57.360 --> 01:30:59.896
supply to the entirety of this this this

01:30:59.920 --> 01:31:02.920
subdivision. Um, but I am heartened by

01:31:03.280 --> 01:31:05.256
the director's comments a second ago

01:31:05.280 --> 01:31:07.655
that that say that this is for stage one

01:31:07.679 --> 01:31:09.576
only, this proposition, which is a much

01:31:09.600 --> 01:31:12.056
smaller discrete packet of land

01:31:12.080 --> 01:31:13.736
developed down at the southern end of

01:31:13.760 --> 01:31:16.760
this um this block. Um, and  I suppose

01:31:17.920 --> 01:31:20.920
my question, Mr. today really is um 

01:31:21.360 --> 01:31:24.360
are we absolutely assured that the 

01:31:24.639 --> 01:31:26.695
essential services that can that are

01:31:26.719 --> 01:31:28.215
necessary for this because there's going

01:31:28.239 --> 01:31:30.135
to be no onsite

01:31:30.159 --> 01:31:32.215
um  treatment there's going to be no

01:31:32.239 --> 01:31:34.056
rainwater tanks this is all connected to

01:31:34.080 --> 01:31:36.695
the the   reticulated water supply

01:31:36.719 --> 01:31:39.719
and town sewage um is is is what is

01:31:40.719 --> 01:31:43.016
proposed for stage one going to be

01:31:43.040 --> 01:31:45.816
adequately covered

01:31:45.840 --> 01:31:48.840
 through the CA as As we've alluded to

01:31:48.960 --> 01:31:50.776
earlier in previous meetings, council

01:31:50.800 --> 01:31:53.576
was in the process of completing what we

01:31:53.600 --> 01:31:56.600
call our IWCM so integrated water

01:31:57.280 --> 01:31:58.776
management plan in a very catchment

01:31:58.800 --> 01:32:01.800
management plan. Part of that we had

01:32:02.480 --> 01:32:05.480
some the initial phase of that project

01:32:05.840 --> 01:32:07.976
had an issues paper which required

01:32:08.000 --> 01:32:10.615
additional studies to be undertaken. One

01:32:10.639 --> 01:32:13.096
of those studies revolved around the

01:32:13.120 --> 01:32:15.256
capacity of the Gunning sewage treatment

01:32:15.280 --> 01:32:18.280
plant. So consultancy firm I believe it

01:32:19.120 --> 01:32:20.856
was GHD

01:32:20.880 --> 01:32:23.880
have undertaken some flow studies into

01:32:24.239 --> 01:32:26.376
the sewage treatment plant and based on

01:32:26.400 --> 01:32:29.400
their advice we believe or sorry we have

01:32:30.000 --> 01:32:32.536
been advised that the treatment plant

01:32:32.560 --> 01:32:35.560
has an additional capacity of 290 EP.

01:32:37.040 --> 01:32:39.175
Now if you look at this subdivision and

01:32:39.199 --> 01:32:41.896
stage one we're looking at 32 lights. If

01:32:41.920 --> 01:32:44.615
you go three people per household as a

01:32:44.639 --> 01:32:46.135
rough estimate, you're looking at

01:32:46.159 --> 01:32:49.159
basically 90 people. So based on that

01:32:50.239 --> 01:32:52.296
information that we have been provided

01:32:52.320 --> 01:32:55.320
with the surance treatment plant will be

01:32:55.600 --> 01:32:58.376
able to cater for stage one. Now future

01:32:58.400 --> 01:33:00.296
stages that may be a completely

01:33:00.320 --> 01:33:01.976
different question that will need to be

01:33:02.000 --> 01:33:04.776
addressed at that point in time with

01:33:04.800 --> 01:33:05.336
respect to

01:33:05.360 --> 01:33:07.175
sorry

01:33:07.199 --> 01:33:09.655
I saw I misunderstood the whole

01:33:09.679 --> 01:33:11.576
development. We can there's enough

01:33:11.600 --> 01:33:14.600
capacity

01:33:14.800 --> 01:33:15.976
stage one

01:33:16.000 --> 01:33:17.336
just 32.

01:33:17.360 --> 01:33:19.576
So that's all we're doing at this DA is

01:33:19.600 --> 01:33:22.056
stage one.

01:33:22.080 --> 01:33:24.695
With respect to the pot of water, there

01:33:24.719 --> 01:33:26.695
are challenges. I will say challenges

01:33:26.719 --> 01:33:29.719
with respect to getting water to that

01:33:29.840 --> 01:33:32.840
site with an appropriate pressure. Um,

01:33:33.440 --> 01:33:36.215
as part of the conditions of consent,

01:33:36.239 --> 01:33:39.239
the developer will be required to work

01:33:39.360 --> 01:33:41.976
with council to come up with a suitable

01:33:42.000 --> 01:33:44.776
design to make sure water flows can

01:33:44.800 --> 01:33:46.215
reach that property at the right

01:33:46.239 --> 01:33:49.175
pressures. Now, in very simple terms, if

01:33:49.199 --> 01:33:51.256
a

01:33:51.280 --> 01:33:53.336
intermediate reservoir is installed,

01:33:53.360 --> 01:33:56.056
pumps are installed, we can address that

01:33:56.080 --> 01:33:58.856
issue there. There is potential flow on

01:33:58.880 --> 01:34:01.736
effects. We've got aging infrastructure.

01:34:01.760 --> 01:34:04.296
um and whether that's going to have an

01:34:04.320 --> 01:34:05.576
impact. That's a little bit of an

01:34:05.600 --> 01:34:08.296
uncertainty at this stage.

01:34:08.320 --> 01:34:09.896
M Can I ask a supplementary question if

01:34:09.920 --> 01:34:10.536
that's all right?

01:34:10.560 --> 01:34:11.496
Yeah, sure.

01:34:11.520 --> 01:34:13.336
 thank you to the director for that.

01:34:13.360 --> 01:34:15.655
Um a supplementary question goes around

01:34:15.679 --> 01:34:17.736
do we have a sense and is it required of

01:34:17.760 --> 01:34:20.760
the developer to give an indicative time

01:34:20.960 --> 01:34:23.416
frame for the development

01:34:23.440 --> 01:34:25.655
of stages 2, three and four

01:34:25.679 --> 01:34:27.416
 through the CEO? The very short

01:34:27.440 --> 01:34:29.896
answer to that one is no. that property

01:34:29.920 --> 01:34:31.655
can sit vacant for the next hundred

01:34:31.679 --> 01:34:34.679
years. May want to take the home. Yeah,

01:34:35.199 --> 01:34:36.856
thank you.

01:34:36.880 --> 01:34:39.880
Um to the mayor again, sorry this um 

01:34:44.639 --> 01:34:47.256
I'm looking at boats I can't afford and

01:34:47.280 --> 01:34:49.016
 we're talking about you got your top

01:34:49.040 --> 01:34:52.040
speed and your cruising speed. Um what

01:34:52.320 --> 01:34:55.320
I'm concerned is is that we

01:34:56.239 --> 01:34:58.376
are going to be operating our service

01:34:58.400 --> 01:35:01.016
plant at the upper end of its cap

01:35:01.040 --> 01:35:04.040
capability and capacity which you can do

01:35:04.880 --> 01:35:07.736
for a period of time but that increases

01:35:07.760 --> 01:35:10.760
your  your your risk of failure

01:35:12.400 --> 01:35:15.400
and I'm just concerned that if we're if

01:35:16.719 --> 01:35:18.695
we're operating at at the upper end of

01:35:18.719 --> 01:35:21.719
the capability of the And um then that's

01:35:22.400 --> 01:35:24.776
going to well that's yeah exactly as I

01:35:24.800 --> 01:35:26.695
said it's going to increase the the risk

01:35:26.719 --> 01:35:29.719
of failure and that that is a concern

01:35:31.679 --> 01:35:33.896
um through the CA yes our infrastructure

01:35:33.920 --> 01:35:36.920
is aging um and we are whether it's at

01:35:38.080 --> 01:35:39.896
Gunning or whether it's at crook we are

01:35:39.920 --> 01:35:41.416
experiencing additional

01:35:41.440 --> 01:35:43.016
operational/maintenance

01:35:43.040 --> 01:35:46.040
costs um but at the moment that plant is

01:35:46.159 --> 01:35:48.856
capable of accepting that volume of

01:35:48.880 --> 01:35:51.416
effluent that will be generated as a

01:35:51.440 --> 01:35:54.440
result of this development. Um,

01:35:55.920 --> 01:35:58.920
also moving forward is once that IWCM

01:35:59.040 --> 01:36:02.040
report is completed, I'm with the belief

01:36:02.080 --> 01:36:04.135
that council will need to consider what

01:36:04.159 --> 01:36:07.159
options are available, if any

01:36:07.520 --> 01:36:10.520
to improve the operation of that plant.

01:36:11.360 --> 01:36:13.175
supplementary.

01:36:13.199 --> 01:36:15.816
If there's a like a storm event,

01:36:15.840 --> 01:36:17.816
additional um storm water, additional

01:36:17.840 --> 01:36:20.840
water goes into that system,  will the

01:36:22.000 --> 01:36:23.576
will that affect its capability and

01:36:23.600 --> 01:36:26.215
capacity to cope  through the CEO. If

01:36:26.239 --> 01:36:27.816
there's infiltration, the answer is yes.

01:36:27.840 --> 01:36:29.736
That will impact our plan and that's

01:36:29.760 --> 01:36:32.760
something that council must manage.

01:36:34.480 --> 01:36:37.256
All right. Thank you. Does anyone want

01:36:37.280 --> 01:36:40.280
to speak for the motion or close?

01:36:40.960 --> 01:36:43.960
 just just a point of clarity please

01:36:44.320 --> 01:36:47.320
just on page 98 we've got the disclosure

01:36:49.440 --> 01:36:52.440
of political donations and gifts 2.81 81

01:36:53.119 --> 01:36:56.119
million. Is that the actual test?

01:36:57.520 --> 01:37:00.520
Yeah, it was pushed in topographically.

01:37:01.280 --> 01:37:04.280
I

01:37:04.400 --> 01:37:07.400
was a bit alarming.

01:37:12.880 --> 01:37:15.880
Yeah. Okay.

01:37:16.480 --> 01:37:18.776
Something clarifying. So this

01:37:18.800 --> 01:37:21.800
development um allows for that that 90

01:37:23.040 --> 01:37:25.736
people which will take the sewage and

01:37:25.760 --> 01:37:28.760
up and take everything to capacity.

01:37:28.960 --> 01:37:31.960
Gunning has the um

01:37:32.320 --> 01:37:34.456
the risk potential for urban infill

01:37:34.480 --> 01:37:36.456
within Gunning

01:37:36.480 --> 01:37:38.856
and that potentially will impact that as

01:37:38.880 --> 01:37:41.880
well. Um, is that calculated into that

01:37:43.199 --> 01:37:45.256
numbers that the staff are working out

01:37:45.280 --> 01:37:47.896
that we'd be able to manage this

01:37:47.920 --> 01:37:49.976
 through the CEO? There will be a

01:37:50.000 --> 01:37:52.536
point in time when that plant reaches

01:37:52.560 --> 01:37:55.095
capacity and if we receive an

01:37:55.119 --> 01:37:57.416
application for a dwelling house that

01:37:57.440 --> 01:37:59.416
this council may have to say no, we

01:37:59.440 --> 01:38:01.336
can't cater for that development. That's

01:38:01.360 --> 01:38:03.256
true. cuz all development applications

01:38:03.280 --> 01:38:05.576
whether it's a subdivision or a single

01:38:05.600 --> 01:38:08.215
residential dwelling are required to be

01:38:08.239 --> 01:38:11.239
able to ensure that they are provided

01:38:11.440 --> 01:38:13.576
with the appropriate services being

01:38:13.600 --> 01:38:16.456
water, electricity, sewer and so forth.

01:38:16.480 --> 01:38:17.336
Okay.

01:38:17.360 --> 01:38:20.360
So um now on this plan in stage one

01:38:21.440 --> 01:38:23.416
there's a piece of land marked out as

01:38:23.440 --> 01:38:26.440
open space drainage land. Um I'm

01:38:26.960 --> 01:38:29.256
assuming that the the idea is that that

01:38:29.280 --> 01:38:31.655
will be passed to the care and control

01:38:31.679 --> 01:38:34.215
of council and will become some sort of

01:38:34.239 --> 01:38:36.856
recreational land. Um can I get some

01:38:36.880 --> 01:38:39.576
clarity on that

01:38:39.600 --> 01:38:42.376
 through the CA? Yes, that parcel of

01:38:42.400 --> 01:38:45.400
land through a VPA voluntary planning

01:38:46.000 --> 01:38:49.000
agreement  will come to council. 

01:38:49.760 --> 01:38:52.296
that land is required.

01:38:52.320 --> 01:38:55.320
It'll be a a mix of open space and I'll

01:38:55.840 --> 01:38:58.456
call it operational purposes.  there

01:38:58.480 --> 01:39:01.175
is a requirement for a detention basin

01:39:01.199 --> 01:39:04.199
to ensure that in storm events any

01:39:04.400 --> 01:39:07.400
runoff is retained prior to

01:39:08.320 --> 01:39:09.736
impacting on our existing

01:39:09.760 --> 01:39:11.576
infrastructure.

01:39:11.600 --> 01:39:14.600
 through the VPA we are working with

01:39:14.960 --> 01:39:17.960
the developer on an appropriate

01:39:18.880 --> 01:39:20.695
maintenance period that they will be

01:39:20.719 --> 01:39:23.095
responsible for before it comes over to

01:39:23.119 --> 01:39:26.119
council

01:39:26.880 --> 01:39:29.880
just a general question to the med um

01:39:31.600 --> 01:39:32.776
strange that they're giving you a

01:39:32.800 --> 01:39:34.776
concept on the whole program but only

01:39:34.800 --> 01:39:37.800
want to do stage one if you look at from

01:39:37.840 --> 01:39:39.496
the council's perspective the whole

01:39:39.520 --> 01:39:42.520
project which I agree Council came

01:39:43.360 --> 01:39:45.416
doubles the size of guning, you know.

01:39:45.440 --> 01:39:47.896
Um, is there any other issues that apart

01:39:47.920 --> 01:39:50.920
from infrastructure that that would not

01:39:52.000 --> 01:39:54.856
enable this to go ahead as a as a whole?

01:39:54.880 --> 01:39:56.215
Why wouldn't they just put the whole lot

01:39:56.239 --> 01:39:58.936
in and then carve it out? Um, through

01:39:58.960 --> 01:40:01.496
the CA there's probably how the

01:40:01.520 --> 01:40:03.336
developer wishes to proceed sits with

01:40:03.360 --> 01:40:06.360
them. Um, if you sit back and look at

01:40:06.400 --> 01:40:08.456
it, we have infrastructure capacity

01:40:08.480 --> 01:40:10.856
issues. So maybe they've looked at it

01:40:10.880 --> 01:40:13.336
and gone well okay we know we can cater

01:40:13.360 --> 01:40:15.816
for this amount of loss um and so

01:40:15.840 --> 01:40:18.840
they've limited it to that and you've

01:40:19.199 --> 01:40:21.976
also got the challenge of what does the

01:40:22.000 --> 01:40:24.615
market require so if they lodge a DA

01:40:24.639 --> 01:40:27.016
that sets out that whole development and

01:40:27.040 --> 01:40:29.095
we approve that every time they want to

01:40:29.119 --> 01:40:31.496
change something regardless of our minor

01:40:31.520 --> 01:40:32.936
they have to come back and lodge an

01:40:32.960 --> 01:40:35.896
amendment. So this is an opportunity for

01:40:35.920 --> 01:40:38.376
the developer to I suppose obtain a

01:40:38.400 --> 01:40:40.776
little bit of short on how that

01:40:40.800 --> 01:40:43.256
development

01:40:43.280 --> 01:40:46.280
does anyone want to speak to the motion

01:40:46.880 --> 01:40:47.576
more question.

01:40:47.600 --> 01:40:50.056
Thank you. Um just in reference to

01:40:50.080 --> 01:40:53.080
economic growth. Um and it's interesting

01:40:54.800 --> 01:40:57.736
that um  there's a couple of things

01:40:57.760 --> 01:41:00.296
here where we're talking about 

01:41:00.320 --> 01:41:02.135
commercial development is unlikely to

01:41:02.159 --> 01:41:05.159
expand until customers and the need is

01:41:05.280 --> 01:41:07.736
required. The current zoning flexibility

01:41:07.760 --> 01:41:09.736
and more recent work from home

01:41:09.760 --> 01:41:11.655
provisions will enable services in

01:41:11.679 --> 01:41:13.416
commercial development to grow as

01:41:13.440 --> 01:41:16.440
population demands growth. Um, I just

01:41:16.880 --> 01:41:18.936
question that because if you're going to

01:41:18.960 --> 01:41:21.960
have 32 lots bringing in 100 people,

01:41:24.480 --> 01:41:27.480
these folks will really need a job or

01:41:28.159 --> 01:41:31.159
some source of income. And I just have

01:41:31.760 --> 01:41:34.760
to again point to the fact that we don't

01:41:35.119 --> 01:41:37.256
want to have a revolving door that is

01:41:37.280 --> 01:41:39.976
now starting to appear here that we're

01:41:40.000 --> 01:41:43.000
getting new settlers in. They love the

01:41:43.040 --> 01:41:45.416
place. They don't stay because they

01:41:45.440 --> 01:41:48.440
can't get adequate full-time jobs within

01:41:49.119 --> 01:41:51.336
a reasonable distance of where they

01:41:51.360 --> 01:41:53.736
live. So they either have to go down to

01:41:53.760 --> 01:41:56.760
or they have to go to Canberra. Um the

01:41:57.040 --> 01:41:59.576
other thing that has been raised here is

01:41:59.600 --> 01:42:02.600
child mining. Um so again child mining

01:42:03.600 --> 01:42:06.600
and the school are at capacity. Um and I

01:42:08.880 --> 01:42:10.936
know educa department of education is

01:42:10.960 --> 01:42:13.655
responsible for that. But how can we as

01:42:13.679 --> 01:42:16.679
a council plan for this with with these

01:42:17.280 --> 01:42:20.280
developments coming into play? Because

01:42:20.719 --> 01:42:23.719
um obviously without infrastructure and

01:42:23.920 --> 01:42:26.920
without job and business um

01:42:27.600 --> 01:42:29.256
opportunities,

01:42:29.280 --> 01:42:31.095
we're not  we're not going to hold

01:42:31.119 --> 01:42:34.119
these new settlers.

01:42:34.960 --> 01:42:37.960
Um So I think it's very difficult for

01:42:38.080 --> 01:42:38.856
anyone

01:42:38.880 --> 01:42:40.376
through the sea. I think the challenge

01:42:40.400 --> 01:42:43.400
there is it's what comes first. You're

01:42:43.600 --> 01:42:45.016
not going to have a business set up

01:42:45.040 --> 01:42:48.040
there and wait for development to occur

01:42:48.400 --> 01:42:51.400
because financially that's not viable.

01:42:52.000 --> 01:42:54.456
Um I understand your comments with

01:42:54.480 --> 01:42:56.536
respect to I'll call it the revolving

01:42:56.560 --> 01:42:59.095
door. Um

01:42:59.119 --> 01:43:01.655
you might have transate communities that

01:43:01.679 --> 01:43:04.296
work on the outskirts of Golden Top

01:43:04.320 --> 01:43:07.095
Golden CRA. they can't afford to live in

01:43:07.119 --> 01:43:08.856
that because of values. There's people

01:43:08.880 --> 01:43:10.615
in Gunning at the moment that actually

01:43:10.639 --> 01:43:12.936
do that. They travel down to CRA to

01:43:12.960 --> 01:43:15.960
work. Um where I came from originally,

01:43:16.480 --> 01:43:18.135
we had people living in a Chuka that

01:43:18.159 --> 01:43:20.056
Moama that will drive down to Melbourne,

01:43:20.080 --> 01:43:21.896
hop on a train and go to Melbourne to

01:43:21.920 --> 01:43:24.215
work. And again, it really comes back to

01:43:24.239 --> 01:43:27.239
lifestyle and cost. Um with businesses,

01:43:27.920 --> 01:43:29.976
it it's just a challenge. If the

01:43:30.000 --> 01:43:32.296
population and demand is there, then

01:43:32.320 --> 01:43:35.095
those services will come. I guess with

01:43:35.119 --> 01:43:37.336
with gunning I'm just thinking of that

01:43:37.360 --> 01:43:40.135
main street because we are challenged to

01:43:40.159 --> 01:43:42.936
put any more commercial

01:43:42.960 --> 01:43:44.856
or commercial business in that main

01:43:44.880 --> 01:43:45.655
street.

01:43:45.679 --> 01:43:47.736
Yeah. Anyway, let's stay focused on

01:43:47.760 --> 01:43:49.175
May I just have one comment?

01:43:49.199 --> 01:43:49.655
Yeah.

01:43:49.679 --> 01:43:52.679
Um just by to um

01:43:54.719 --> 01:43:57.016
the director of planning just taking on

01:43:57.040 --> 01:43:58.776
board of what you just said. You said

01:43:58.800 --> 01:44:01.016
you wouldn't set up a business to see if

01:44:01.040 --> 01:44:03.095
it would work.

01:44:03.119 --> 01:44:05.976
So my question is why would we set up a

01:44:06.000 --> 01:44:07.976
development

01:44:08.000 --> 01:44:09.496
and wait to see whether the

01:44:09.520 --> 01:44:12.520
infrastructure can cope with it through

01:44:12.639 --> 01:44:15.095
the CA when we make this decisions these

01:44:15.119 --> 01:44:17.576
decisions we base these decisions on the

01:44:17.600 --> 01:44:19.816
planning legislation.

01:44:19.840 --> 01:44:22.135
Okay. We don't look at whether a

01:44:22.159 --> 01:44:23.896
business is there or a business is not

01:44:23.920 --> 01:44:26.856
there or business will or will not come.

01:44:26.880 --> 01:44:29.576
This development ticks the boxes in

01:44:29.600 --> 01:44:31.095
accordance with the planning

01:44:31.119 --> 01:44:33.496
requirements. Whether that's our LEP,

01:44:33.520 --> 01:44:35.576
whether that's our DCP, it's

01:44:35.600 --> 01:44:37.736
appropriately zoned

01:44:37.760 --> 01:44:40.695
and therefore residential development.

01:44:40.719 --> 01:44:43.095
And sorry, do you not think that if we

01:44:43.119 --> 01:44:45.816
approve stage one of the DA that we're

01:44:45.840 --> 01:44:47.896
setting a precedence

01:44:47.920 --> 01:44:50.856
for stages 2, three, and four? I know

01:44:50.880 --> 01:44:53.736
that 2, three, and four will be approved

01:44:53.760 --> 01:44:56.760
on their own merit when presented. Mhm.

01:44:56.800 --> 01:44:59.800
However, in saying that, it's

01:45:00.239 --> 01:45:01.816
you're going to try and work out whether

01:45:01.840 --> 01:45:03.336
or not the infrastructure will cope with

01:45:03.360 --> 01:45:05.416
the development. And that that's my

01:45:05.440 --> 01:45:07.655
concern in supporting this

01:45:07.679 --> 01:45:09.976
through the CEO. There's no precedent

01:45:10.000 --> 01:45:12.615
that we would set. I'm not quite sure, a

01:45:12.639 --> 01:45:14.856
little bit confused by that comment. As

01:45:14.880 --> 01:45:17.880
I said earlier, the land is owned RU5

01:45:18.639 --> 01:45:20.536
village and permits residential

01:45:20.560 --> 01:45:22.776
development. If we were to receive an

01:45:22.800 --> 01:45:25.016
application tomorrow for stages 2,

01:45:25.040 --> 01:45:28.040
three, and four, and they were not able

01:45:28.400 --> 01:45:31.175
to be serviced appropriately by whether

01:45:31.199 --> 01:45:33.496
it's water or sewer, they would not be

01:45:33.520 --> 01:45:35.336
able to address the planning

01:45:35.360 --> 01:45:36.776
requirements. So therefore, we would

01:45:36.800 --> 01:45:39.336
most likely recommend refusal.

01:45:39.360 --> 01:45:40.776
Thank you.

01:45:40.800 --> 01:45:42.856
Thank you. Um, and look, there was

01:45:42.880 --> 01:45:44.215
considerable discussion on this at the

01:45:44.239 --> 01:45:46.215
housing strategy thing going. Obviously,

01:45:46.239 --> 01:45:48.695
there's that balance between  wanting

01:45:48.719 --> 01:45:50.695
a few more people and going to promote

01:45:50.719 --> 01:45:52.695
the main street and to make it more

01:45:52.719 --> 01:45:54.376
vibrant and and obviously doing it

01:45:54.400 --> 01:45:57.256
within our current needs. Um I'll just

01:45:57.280 --> 01:46:00.280
speak for the the motion um and just say

01:46:00.719 --> 01:46:03.719
that um I do think the use of a VPA.

01:46:04.719 --> 01:46:07.576
I've had a read of the draft VPA is a

01:46:07.600 --> 01:46:09.336
very sensible way to promote that sort

01:46:09.360 --> 01:46:10.936
of development where the developer

01:46:10.960 --> 01:46:13.016
assists with part of the infrastructure

01:46:13.040 --> 01:46:16.040
that um ticks off one of the boxes. Um

01:46:16.800 --> 01:46:19.800
and it's been done as I say in a

01:46:19.840 --> 01:46:22.840
manageable way at only 32 lots. Um I

01:46:23.440 --> 01:46:25.095
would also just say generally that we

01:46:25.119 --> 01:46:26.856
alluded earlier to that report that

01:46:26.880 --> 01:46:29.576
we're doing on our waste  overall

01:46:29.600 --> 01:46:31.175
waste management plan. Once that is

01:46:31.199 --> 01:46:33.336
finished, we will hit the ground running

01:46:33.360 --> 01:46:35.576
with um whatever we can do in terms of

01:46:35.600 --> 01:46:37.576
getting government funding for expanding

01:46:37.600 --> 01:46:40.376
of our  infrastructure across the

01:46:40.400 --> 01:46:43.175
shelter. But certainly certainly going

01:46:43.199 --> 01:46:44.856
um does anyone want to speak against the

01:46:44.880 --> 01:46:47.880
motion or anything further?

01:46:50.239 --> 01:46:53.239
Um having lived in GI before I went to

01:46:53.840 --> 01:46:56.840
Dson um the issue about accessing shops

01:46:58.560 --> 01:47:01.175
and I recognized there was a fair

01:47:01.199 --> 01:47:04.056
shortage of in that people do their cars

01:47:04.080 --> 01:47:06.536
and they go to Yas and they go to Golden

01:47:06.560 --> 01:47:09.560
to do shops. Now it might be that if

01:47:10.159 --> 01:47:12.296
there's a bigger population there then

01:47:12.320 --> 01:47:15.095
you might get maybe Woodies or some

01:47:15.119 --> 01:47:17.095
other company setting up something there

01:47:17.119 --> 01:47:20.056
but the issue about business there you

01:47:20.080 --> 01:47:21.896
know the business will do better with

01:47:21.920 --> 01:47:24.920
the population. Yes. And there's big big

01:47:24.960 --> 01:47:26.536
expansion there in the center of town at

01:47:26.560 --> 01:47:28.695
the moment. So

01:47:28.719 --> 01:47:30.936
um all right. So with no further debate,

01:47:30.960 --> 01:47:32.536
we'll put the motion. All those in

01:47:32.560 --> 01:47:34.376
favor?

01:47:34.400 --> 01:47:37.256
Um and against. Okay. So I think that's

01:47:37.280 --> 01:47:40.215
council me against.

01:47:40.239 --> 01:47:42.376
Thank you. Um

01:47:42.400 --> 01:47:43.576
there's no reports from the

01:47:43.600 --> 01:47:45.095
infrastructure department. So we'll move

01:47:45.119 --> 01:47:48.119
on to finance administration. And the

01:47:48.320 --> 01:47:51.016
first item is 13.1

01:47:51.040 --> 01:47:53.256
on page 130 review of performance and

01:47:53.280 --> 01:47:56.280
misconduct policy. Um I have a move for

01:47:57.360 --> 01:47:59.416
move by councelor S and seconded by

01:47:59.440 --> 01:48:01.896
councelor Harris. Um we'll pass over the

01:48:01.920 --> 01:48:04.920
director for any explanatory comments

01:48:05.040 --> 01:48:06.776
through

01:48:06.800 --> 01:48:08.776
as written there's

01:48:08.800 --> 01:48:11.800
very minimal changes to the document. So

01:48:12.960 --> 01:48:14.856
all around legislation changes and

01:48:14.880 --> 01:48:17.496
references.

01:48:17.520 --> 01:48:19.416
All right. Is there any discussion on

01:48:19.440 --> 01:48:22.056
the matter?

01:48:22.080 --> 01:48:25.080
 yes. I I'm just a bit confused with a

01:48:25.280 --> 01:48:27.336
couple of points here after application

01:48:27.360 --> 01:48:29.736
of the policy. So it says that the

01:48:29.760 --> 01:48:31.816
policy does not form any part of the

01:48:31.840 --> 01:48:34.776
employees contract of employment.

01:48:34.800 --> 01:48:37.800
So is that because under an employes's

01:48:38.560 --> 01:48:40.695
contract they're governed by their code

01:48:40.719 --> 01:48:43.256
of conduct and this is more considered a

01:48:43.280 --> 01:48:46.280
consequence of misappropriation of that

01:48:46.800 --> 01:48:47.896
conduct.

01:48:47.920 --> 01:48:49.736
True. So our contract employment quite

01:48:49.760 --> 01:48:51.655
clearly has a number of conditions

01:48:51.679 --> 01:48:53.896
attached to relate to senior senior

01:48:53.920 --> 01:48:56.920
staff. So that's why

01:48:57.760 --> 01:48:59.576
this is all this applies to all staff

01:48:59.600 --> 01:49:01.816
doesn't staff

01:49:01.840 --> 01:49:04.840
right contract staff.

01:49:04.960 --> 01:49:07.416
And the next point is here we're a bit

01:49:07.440 --> 01:49:08.936
confused by this. Maybe it's just the

01:49:08.960 --> 01:49:11.960
wording. Um it says here that the policy

01:49:12.080 --> 01:49:13.496
may be used to deal with any

01:49:13.520 --> 01:49:16.296
disciplinary issue arising from conduct

01:49:16.320 --> 01:49:18.376
in any circumstances connected with

01:49:18.400 --> 01:49:21.400
work. This includes out of work conduct.

01:49:26.159 --> 01:49:29.159
So what is that?

01:49:29.440 --> 01:49:32.440
3.2. So am I am I to interpret this as

01:49:34.000 --> 01:49:35.976
an employees

01:49:36.000 --> 01:49:39.000
out of hours out of work?

01:49:42.719 --> 01:49:45.719
I'm sorry. This may involve criminal

01:49:45.840 --> 01:49:48.215
activities may involve a number of

01:49:48.239 --> 01:49:49.976
activities that happen outside work

01:49:50.000 --> 01:49:51.736
which will impact their employment.

01:49:51.760 --> 01:49:53.496
Okay. the council too,

01:49:53.520 --> 01:49:56.135
right? Okay. Sorry.

01:49:56.159 --> 01:49:59.095
Based and I think there was particularly

01:49:59.119 --> 01:50:01.256
implications for the workplace around

01:50:01.280 --> 01:50:03.416
their behavior and their offense that

01:50:03.440 --> 01:50:05.896
would affect their employment status.

01:50:05.920 --> 01:50:06.296
Yes.

01:50:06.320 --> 01:50:09.320
And and my last question is um is this

01:50:09.840 --> 01:50:11.896
measured anywhere within the SH? Are

01:50:11.920 --> 01:50:14.856
there any statistics around any

01:50:14.880 --> 01:50:17.880
potential staff members currently

01:50:18.400 --> 01:50:20.536
to which this policy has applied in the

01:50:20.560 --> 01:50:21.976
last

01:50:22.000 --> 01:50:24.695
12 months. I mean we measure the code of

01:50:24.719 --> 01:50:27.496
conduct complaints for instance. So is

01:50:27.520 --> 01:50:29.496
there any measurement from human

01:50:29.520 --> 01:50:32.296
resources in respect to if any staff

01:50:32.320 --> 01:50:34.695
have been subject to this policy the

01:50:34.719 --> 01:50:36.056
application of this policy

01:50:36.080 --> 01:50:37.416
take down notice it really is an

01:50:37.440 --> 01:50:38.856
operational activity.

01:50:38.880 --> 01:50:40.936
It's an operational it would certainly

01:50:40.960 --> 01:50:43.960
breach privacy giving out information. A

01:50:45.280 --> 01:50:48.280
lot of this relates to giving myself and

01:50:48.719 --> 01:50:50.695
HR and the directors suppose trying to

01:50:50.719 --> 01:50:53.175
be able to um deal with significant

01:50:53.199 --> 01:50:54.695
matters. I think that's probably the

01:50:54.719 --> 01:50:56.615
most successful way to try to describe

01:50:56.639 --> 01:50:57.816
this.

01:50:57.840 --> 01:50:59.016
Thank you.

01:50:59.040 --> 01:51:02.040
All right. Um yes, council.

01:51:02.080 --> 01:51:04.296
 I can see that this has gone to the

01:51:04.320 --> 01:51:05.816
consultative committee and that they

01:51:05.840 --> 01:51:08.456
have um given the okay for this.

01:51:08.480 --> 01:51:11.416
Nonetheless, I do consider this to not

01:51:11.440 --> 01:51:13.496
be policy. It's not providing a

01:51:13.520 --> 01:51:16.520
strategic direction from council. To me,

01:51:16.560 --> 01:51:19.560
this is very much procedural. Um, it

01:51:19.679 --> 01:51:22.376
tells you what's going to happen,

01:51:22.400 --> 01:51:24.456
when it's going to happen, and that is

01:51:24.480 --> 01:51:25.976
procedure.

01:51:26.000 --> 01:51:28.456
Um, so for that reason, I won't be

01:51:28.480 --> 01:51:31.480
supporting this um motion.

01:51:32.880 --> 01:51:35.336
Okay. Does anyone else want to speak for

01:51:35.360 --> 01:51:38.360
motion or have any questions on policy?

01:51:40.000 --> 01:51:41.896
All right. We'll vote on the policy.

01:51:41.920 --> 01:51:43.816
Those in fos

01:51:43.840 --> 01:51:46.840
and against so council's against the

01:51:46.880 --> 01:51:49.416
motion's carried.

01:51:49.440 --> 01:51:51.816
We move for 13.2 financial

01:51:51.840 --> 01:51:54.840
sustainability on page 139

01:51:56.560 --> 01:51:59.560
for that motion.

01:52:03.679 --> 01:52:06.679
Yeah, that's what I

01:52:07.280 --> 01:52:09.336
want this one actually.

01:52:09.360 --> 01:52:12.360
No, it's in different order. Sorry.

01:52:16.480 --> 01:52:18.376
13

01:52:18.400 --> 01:52:21.400
agenda must have flipped around a bit

01:52:21.760 --> 01:52:24.760
recommendation anyway.

01:52:24.880 --> 01:52:27.256
Just just to be clear, I read the wrong

01:52:27.280 --> 01:52:29.336
thing out there. So 13.2 is adoption of

01:52:29.360 --> 01:52:31.095
code of energy practice. There's a

01:52:31.119 --> 01:52:33.736
recommendation there. and the move for

01:52:33.760 --> 01:52:36.760
that motion council and seconded by

01:52:37.199 --> 01:52:40.056
councelor Flagan and I'll pass over the

01:52:40.080 --> 01:52:42.615
director through this video. I think

01:52:42.639 --> 01:52:45.496
they've been through this  three times

01:52:45.520 --> 01:52:48.135
now  because of the government and the

01:52:48.159 --> 01:52:50.456
timelines involved and there is

01:52:50.480 --> 01:52:53.016
potential that this may also come up for

01:52:53.040 --> 01:52:55.336
debate parliament  next year. there

01:52:55.360 --> 01:52:58.360
was a deferral upon um  an action that

01:52:59.679 --> 01:53:02.456
was put forward that was not  debated

01:53:02.480 --> 01:53:05.480
um prior to the sitting period. So

01:53:05.520 --> 01:53:08.296
potentially we may adopt this and may

01:53:08.320 --> 01:53:10.856
potentially go back to the 2021 code. So

01:53:10.880 --> 01:53:12.296
I'm just bringing that to everyone's

01:53:12.320 --> 01:53:14.856
attention that we may go back there if

01:53:14.880 --> 01:53:16.536
there was the decision around parliament

01:53:16.560 --> 01:53:19.016
to that. However, that being said, at

01:53:19.040 --> 01:53:22.040
present time, we've obliged to adopt by

01:53:22.480 --> 01:53:24.695
the 31st of December the code main

01:53:24.719 --> 01:53:26.215
practice. We put this out on public

01:53:26.239 --> 01:53:28.456
exhibition. There's been zero

01:53:28.480 --> 01:53:31.480
submissions related to the um changes

01:53:32.560 --> 01:53:34.456
that have been outlined. And just to be

01:53:34.480 --> 01:53:37.256
clear, those changes really um we're

01:53:37.280 --> 01:53:40.215
adopting the majority of the red

01:53:40.239 --> 01:53:42.296
non-mandary components and obviously all

01:53:42.320 --> 01:53:44.695
the mandatory components.

01:53:44.719 --> 01:53:46.296
um some of the non-mentaryary the timing

01:53:46.320 --> 01:53:48.376
of ordinary council meetings. We're

01:53:48.400 --> 01:53:50.695
looking to amend that just so everyone's

01:53:50.719 --> 01:53:52.936
clear that that would be a 10:00 a.m.

01:53:52.960 --> 01:53:55.575
commencement 9:30 public forum. So

01:53:55.599 --> 01:53:57.575
that's one of the changes that we

01:53:57.599 --> 01:54:00.599
publicly exhibited. Um notice

01:54:00.800 --> 01:54:03.175
submissions time frame also there's

01:54:03.199 --> 01:54:04.936
amendment there and procedures for

01:54:04.960 --> 01:54:07.896
public forums we've strengthened 

01:54:07.920 --> 01:54:09.575
thanks to councelor Harris um

01:54:09.599 --> 01:54:11.496
previously. There's also additional

01:54:11.520 --> 01:54:13.416
clauses around identifying a funding

01:54:13.440 --> 01:54:16.376
source  and consideration of the

01:54:16.400 --> 01:54:19.095
matter. It obviously gives further

01:54:19.119 --> 01:54:22.119
powers for the mayor in relation to um

01:54:23.199 --> 01:54:25.896
bringing mayoral minutes  to this

01:54:25.920 --> 01:54:28.920
council as well. So I'm sure frequently

01:54:30.239 --> 01:54:31.736
asked questions and the changes that

01:54:31.760 --> 01:54:33.256
that are included in there. I'm taking

01:54:33.280 --> 01:54:35.896
that as written. So um what's being

01:54:35.920 --> 01:54:37.976
exhibited is what we're looking to

01:54:38.000 --> 01:54:40.135
resolve and adopt today.

01:54:40.159 --> 01:54:41.416
Thank you. And there's obviously a

01:54:41.440 --> 01:54:42.776
number of matters there that were

01:54:42.800 --> 01:54:45.575
originally ironclad that have now been

01:54:45.599 --> 01:54:48.599
put as  voluntary adoptions.

01:54:48.800 --> 01:54:51.800
So you don't necessarily have to stand

01:54:52.080 --> 01:54:54.056
up when I come to room for instance.

01:54:54.080 --> 01:54:57.080
That's right. So we'll take we'll take

01:54:58.000 --> 01:55:00.536
those with a grain of salt. All right.

01:55:00.560 --> 01:55:03.095
So if there's um no one to speak for

01:55:03.119 --> 01:55:05.095
against the motion or any further

01:55:05.119 --> 01:55:06.536
just just want to clarify one thing.

01:55:06.560 --> 01:55:09.560
point 5.35 the adop I mean the document

01:55:10.080 --> 01:55:12.215
we helped do we need to do a separate

01:55:12.239 --> 01:55:14.936
resolution to authorize the person

01:55:14.960 --> 01:55:17.655
preiding to have the ex exercise the

01:55:17.679 --> 01:55:19.896
power of expulsion

01:55:19.920 --> 01:55:21.655
I just wasn't sure about that sorry but

01:55:21.679 --> 01:55:24.536
I've been reading from my phone

01:55:24.560 --> 01:55:27.560
this week have not been ideal

01:55:28.080 --> 01:55:31.080
5.3

01:55:31.440 --> 01:55:33.896
5.3 5

01:55:33.920 --> 01:55:36.920
age 63 Yeah, that's the mayor may order

01:55:37.599 --> 01:55:38.296
control.

01:55:38.320 --> 01:55:40.135
Yeah.

01:55:40.159 --> 01:55:42.056
To the mayor for expulsion.

01:55:42.080 --> 01:55:44.936
So it says the council of No, no, we've

01:55:44.960 --> 01:55:47.095
got the numbers done. No. 5.35.

01:55:47.119 --> 01:55:48.376
Yeah. 5.35.

01:55:48.400 --> 01:55:50.536
Yeah. The um this the power of

01:55:50.560 --> 01:55:52.215
expulsion. Do we need to do a separate

01:55:52.239 --> 01:55:55.016
resolution in regard to that or is this

01:55:55.040 --> 01:55:56.376
by adopting this?

01:55:56.400 --> 01:55:57.655
I think it's the same as every other

01:55:57.679 --> 01:56:00.679
change is

01:56:02.159 --> 01:56:04.776
okay.

01:56:04.800 --> 01:56:07.575
more clarity through the M. Um the

01:56:07.599 --> 01:56:10.456
visual audio visual league was pretty

01:56:10.480 --> 01:56:12.135
much doesn't exist anymore because if

01:56:12.159 --> 01:56:14.695
you're ill or sick or care the last

01:56:14.719 --> 01:56:16.215
thing you got to do is sit in front of a

01:56:16.239 --> 01:56:18.536
computer. So I mean what's what's the

01:56:18.560 --> 01:56:20.056
point at that point? I don't really

01:56:20.080 --> 01:56:23.080
understand it or crying baby grandchild

01:56:23.199 --> 01:56:26.199
in the background, you know. It's just

01:56:26.719 --> 01:56:29.719
it's a bit in 2025. I got to say it's

01:56:30.480 --> 01:56:32.215
pretty direct.

01:56:32.239 --> 01:56:34.695
I saw Steven this morning was had his

01:56:34.719 --> 01:56:37.719
dog running around his legs and

01:56:38.080 --> 01:56:39.896
quite clearly the expectation is for you

01:56:39.920 --> 01:56:41.095
to be in the room. If you're not in the

01:56:41.119 --> 01:56:42.135
room, it's obviously caring

01:56:42.159 --> 01:56:45.159
responsibilities or an illness of some

01:56:45.199 --> 01:56:47.816
nature. You'd have to have obviously on

01:56:47.840 --> 01:56:49.575
the table, you know, some background

01:56:49.599 --> 01:56:51.976
what that illness is and be accepted by

01:56:52.000 --> 01:56:53.816
your colleagues here is apology and

01:56:53.840 --> 01:56:56.840
legal absence. So yeah, obviously

01:56:57.920 --> 01:56:59.496
saying, you know, it's really important

01:56:59.520 --> 01:57:00.615
that you achieve. That's pretty much

01:57:00.639 --> 01:57:03.496
what has been outlining through all his

01:57:03.520 --> 01:57:05.896
he is. So I think that is the overriding

01:57:05.920 --> 01:57:07.336
point, but there's certainly been some

01:57:07.360 --> 01:57:09.095
very strong kickback particularly from

01:57:09.119 --> 01:57:10.536
Western Councils where they're, you

01:57:10.560 --> 01:57:12.215
know, hundreds of kilometers from the

01:57:12.239 --> 01:57:14.615
meeting and stuff where people simply

01:57:14.639 --> 01:57:16.296
wouldn't be able to attend unless, you

01:57:16.320 --> 01:57:17.736
know, I think they're going to soften

01:57:17.760 --> 01:57:19.575
that a bit.

01:57:19.599 --> 01:57:21.575
Yeah.

01:57:21.599 --> 01:57:24.599
Right. Yeah, this is beautiful.

01:57:24.960 --> 01:57:26.456
Well, I think he's with a lot of this

01:57:26.480 --> 01:57:28.215
stuff he's got overriding principles and

01:57:28.239 --> 01:57:29.655
then he's got to water it down a bit for

01:57:29.679 --> 01:57:32.056
practicalities. Um, but if there's no

01:57:32.080 --> 01:57:34.056
further discussion, I'll put the motion.

01:57:34.080 --> 01:57:35.976
All those in favor? I

01:57:36.000 --> 01:57:38.296
thank you. Carried minister. Anything?

01:57:38.320 --> 01:57:41.016
So 13.3 is the order risk and

01:57:41.040 --> 01:57:43.016
improvement committee terms of

01:57:43.040 --> 01:57:46.040
reference. Um there's a motion there to

01:57:47.440 --> 01:57:50.440
adopt the review. Um

01:57:50.719 --> 01:57:53.575
terms of reference move for that move

01:57:53.599 --> 01:57:56.599
council came secondary council so um as

01:57:56.719 --> 01:57:59.719
director of new obviously ongoing

01:58:01.599 --> 01:58:04.599
the change is  through the co in May

01:58:05.679 --> 01:58:07.575
2024 was the last time terms of

01:58:07.599 --> 01:58:10.599
reference were adopted and since that

01:58:10.880 --> 01:58:13.575
time there's been  some amendments in

01:58:13.599 --> 01:58:16.056
relation to the um best practice

01:58:16.080 --> 01:58:18.135
guidelines and and the regulations that

01:58:18.159 --> 01:58:21.159
come into support that. So the main

01:58:21.440 --> 01:58:24.440
changes for us is around we used to have

01:58:24.480 --> 01:58:26.376
a CRGO

01:58:26.400 --> 01:58:29.400
employee manager of internal cover now

01:58:29.520 --> 01:58:31.496
that's been removed. So we have an

01:58:31.520 --> 01:58:33.896
internal audit coordinator who is a

01:58:33.920 --> 01:58:36.296
position on on council which is the CFO

01:58:36.320 --> 01:58:39.016
for this council and we are going out at

01:58:39.040 --> 01:58:40.615
the present time and we're selecting an

01:58:40.639 --> 01:58:43.639
an internal audit supplier  from the

01:58:44.480 --> 01:58:46.776
panel of suppliers  that are all

01:58:46.800 --> 01:58:49.736
credited in that field and we're looking

01:58:49.760 --> 01:58:51.655
at appointment very soon. So then the

01:58:51.679 --> 01:58:54.376
major changes out of terms of reference

01:58:54.400 --> 01:58:57.400
and removal of um we previously had four

01:58:58.960 --> 01:59:00.536
independent committee members and that

01:59:00.560 --> 01:59:02.856
will change back down to three. So

01:59:02.880 --> 01:59:04.695
they're the major changes from terms of

01:59:04.719 --> 01:59:06.376
reference

01:59:06.400 --> 01:59:07.976
just out of interest did did they

01:59:08.000 --> 01:59:09.575
specify which one of the panel members

01:59:09.599 --> 01:59:12.056
was wasn't continuing?

01:59:12.080 --> 01:59:15.080
Yes, Diane was done voluntarily.

01:59:16.320 --> 01:59:18.456
No, I need one of them and see just what

01:59:18.480 --> 01:59:20.056
it was.

01:59:20.080 --> 01:59:22.695
Very good. Um, is there any discussion

01:59:22.719 --> 01:59:25.175
on that or Yeah, I look I would just

01:59:25.199 --> 01:59:28.056
speak to this for this, Mr. Mayor. Um,

01:59:28.080 --> 01:59:30.615
, the I I think that the, , audit

01:59:30.639 --> 01:59:33.256
risk improvement committee is a is a

01:59:33.280 --> 01:59:35.095
terrific addition to the governor's

01:59:35.119 --> 01:59:38.119
oversight function of our council.  I

01:59:38.159 --> 01:59:40.296
come at it from the perspective of our

01:59:40.320 --> 01:59:42.536
rate payers having some assurance that

01:59:42.560 --> 01:59:44.615
we are just not you know gazing at our

01:59:44.639 --> 01:59:46.296
own neighbors and licking our own ice

01:59:46.320 --> 01:59:49.175
creams.  but rather someone from

01:59:49.199 --> 01:59:51.416
outside is casting an eye over our

01:59:51.440 --> 01:59:52.936
business, the way we do our business and

01:59:52.960 --> 01:59:54.215
the way we spend our money. And I think

01:59:54.239 --> 01:59:55.976
that's I think it's a really valuable

01:59:56.000 --> 01:59:57.736
thing and this  this terms of

01:59:57.760 --> 02:00:00.536
reference I think um   addresses

02:00:00.560 --> 02:00:02.135
addresses those very things. So I would

02:00:02.159 --> 02:00:04.615
commend it to you.

02:00:04.639 --> 02:00:06.776
Thank you.  is anyone speaking against

02:00:06.800 --> 02:00:08.856
that or any further discussion? All

02:00:08.880 --> 02:00:10.376
right, I'll put the motion. All those in

02:00:10.400 --> 02:00:13.400
favor I carry the

02:00:13.840 --> 02:00:15.896
item 13.4

02:00:15.920 --> 02:00:17.736
and

02:00:17.760 --> 02:00:19.336
is the financial sustainability

02:00:19.360 --> 02:00:21.336
efficiency and service review outcome.

02:00:21.360 --> 02:00:24.215
Um there's a simple recommendation there

02:00:24.239 --> 02:00:26.056
for adoption. Could someone move that

02:00:26.080 --> 02:00:28.615
word? Councelor S and seconded by

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councelor Reynolds. Um director, any

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comments there?

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Yes, thank you through the CEO. Um, we

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felt it was a timely juncture to

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obviously report back in relation to the

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financial sustainability review that was

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independently conducted by AEC Group on

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behalf of council that um was part of

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the consideration of an application for

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a special rate variation back in 2023.

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And in relation to that, there's a range

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of recommendations which are detailed

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within this report of which we've set

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out what's in progress, what's been

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completed, ones that um we we felt were

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not to be continued and so on because of

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funding and other resourcing issues. I

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think though um the crux of I suppose

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this report is to show that some of the

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pain that this council's been through um

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and number of councils are experiencing

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at the present time  in relation to an

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organization reary structure were

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necessary. There was a significant

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service level changes and reductions and

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 whilst they at times were not popular

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and very difficult for  this

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organization and the management um to

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deliver  and the councilors.  it was

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important that we took those measures to

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ensure the long-term viability of this

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council. Now this doesn't shore up the

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complete you know long term as we said

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we're looking at um

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you know basically 10 years of

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operational result deficits albeit

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reduced deficits which may increase over

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that 10year period. So this has allowed

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us some time to obviously look internal,

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get efficiencies, improve the way we do

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things, look at what services such as

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the trail post office that was decided

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by council was a service we didn't want

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to pursue and we could outsource to

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another business within the community

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and we've undertaken a number other um

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reductions in some of our surplus

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assets. That's another place we can

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continue to look at. um reduces building

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maintenance, depreciation and the like

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on some non-core assets.  however,

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they are challenging times, but pleased

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to report obviously the one-off cash

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flow injection of around 2 million and

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$3,000

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and around $2.14 million in total

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recurrent  savings to our operational

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budget. So that's allowed us to increase

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our  unrestricted cash and resources

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to be able to respond swiftly if we need

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to and take advantage of opportunities

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or to obviously if there's natural

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disasters or other disasters that that

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we can obviously put funds towards that.

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Um and we're able to replenish some

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building and plant replacement reserves

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which are critical to ensure our 

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assets are at a suitable standard to

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service the large asset large um service

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area that we have of roads in

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particular. So um I commend this report

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to you and we I know I note that the

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ARIC also got this this report  from

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the recommendations from AEC group and

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didn't have the financial components of

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it at that time but they monitored that

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on a six monthly basis to see how we're

02:03:47.280 --> 02:03:49.896
 progressing but we felt after 2 years

02:03:49.920 --> 02:03:51.896
when we were thinking probably 3 years

02:03:51.920 --> 02:03:54.056
would be a timeline to try and get some

02:03:54.080 --> 02:03:56.776
of these improvements um through and in

02:03:56.800 --> 02:03:59.800
place. I think we've probably um yeah

02:04:00.320 --> 02:04:02.536
been more speedy in in getting things

02:04:02.560 --> 02:04:04.615
happening because it was absolutely

02:04:04.639 --> 02:04:07.095
imperative that we did and look internal

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and um and the CEO deserves significant

02:04:10.880 --> 02:04:13.655
credit in that process. Thank you Mr.

02:04:13.679 --> 02:04:15.175
Director and that's as you say very

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positive report and we've still got

02:04:16.560 --> 02:04:18.615
plenty of hard work to do but but it's

02:04:18.639 --> 02:04:20.615
pleasing to to have that table. Um

02:04:20.639 --> 02:04:23.639
councelor S. I  like to say this is a

02:04:24.400 --> 02:04:27.400
very timely and informative report and

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really brings into focus the effort of

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 the chief executive and manage in

02:04:33.840 --> 02:04:36.695
bringing the operation into a very

02:04:36.719 --> 02:04:39.496
stable state so move forward because a

02:04:39.520 --> 02:04:42.376
couple of years ago it wasn't quite so

02:04:42.400 --> 02:04:45.400
easy and at the time we went out and 

02:04:46.880 --> 02:04:49.736
sought feedback from the community about

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the special rate variation got a very

02:04:51.920 --> 02:04:54.920
response and that  has been met by a

02:04:56.400 --> 02:04:59.400
very efficient response from the council

02:04:59.440 --> 02:05:02.440
executive finding ways to move forward

02:05:03.360 --> 02:05:06.360
and move forward very well to what we

02:05:06.400 --> 02:05:09.400
now recognize as  a leading council.

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Well done to the team.

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Thanks. Thanks very much for that.

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Council counc

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to to the director of finance. Um, great

02:05:21.760 --> 02:05:24.760
result. There's no way. It really is an

02:05:25.760 --> 02:05:28.760
amazing turnaround. , just two quick

02:05:29.119 --> 02:05:31.655
questions. One, does this figure include

02:05:31.679 --> 02:05:34.679
the sale of the post office at Gold? It

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does.

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I've got

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nothing.

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Is there any further discussion on that

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order? No.

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Second question. Sorry.

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Sure.

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All right. All eyes in favor. All right.

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Thank you. That's the  the end of

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clients administration section. There's

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been no reports from CEO or late

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reports. We move on to the reports from

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other committees. Section 3:5 on 219

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by second by council. I know we have a

02:06:34.400 --> 02:06:37.400
bikini a non bikini sorry not yet cron

02:06:39.760 --> 02:06:42.760
in relation to item 161.1 in the art

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gallery to make stain change and not um

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is there any discussion on any of the

02:06:51.599 --> 02:06:54.599
reports  from the bell  committee 

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that includes the um election of bearers

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 and those need to be ratified

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and do. Yeah. So, as I say, is there any

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discussion on any of the items in the

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reports or aart apart from those things

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to be moved?

02:07:12.239 --> 02:07:15.239
No. All right. So, we'll move on to the

02:07:15.760 --> 02:07:18.760
um so item two. Yeah.

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So, item two which is on the screen now

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the council

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right to  hall

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 formally accepting the new york as

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the chairman Matthew Street, deputy

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chairman Rachel Roberts, secretary Sally

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Hoskins, treasurer Chrissy Mlan, and

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other nominated committee members.

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Could I have a move for that?

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The treasur

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I wondered if that was just a new way of

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spelling or

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treasurer. I thought Robert

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is robots or Robert.

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No, it's robots.

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Oh, yeah. It's correct.

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Could I have a move for that one? The

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council Reynolds and second by councelor

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Sarif

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that

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s

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all those in favor.

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We got any other resolutions or

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anyone?

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All right. So, we'll just put the

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adoption of the 

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the overall minutes as well, which was

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already moved in second. All those in

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favor?

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Okay.

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Um all right. We now have  there's no

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notice of motions or questions with

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notice.

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Um we will now move out of open council

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in the confidential session. Could I

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have a mover who move and second by

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counc

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this point does anyone need a short

02:08:59.840 --> 02:09:02.695
break or

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we've just moved back into open council.

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Um we just concluded the confidential

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session of the upper lock and sh council

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meeting for today. Um there were two

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matters that were considered and item

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19.1

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resolved by council pling  councelor

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Cameron and seconded by councelor

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Flenigan. The council appoints the audit

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risk and investment committee chair

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Steven Coats for a further four years

02:09:25.760 --> 02:09:27.416
four-year term as both the independent

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member and the chair of the committee.

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And secondly, the council appoints the

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audit risk and investment committee

02:09:32.239 --> 02:09:34.296
independent committee members Rachel

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Harris and Bryce McNair. Rachel Harris

02:09:38.639 --> 02:09:40.296
is appointed for a further three-year

02:09:40.320 --> 02:09:42.776
term and Bryce McNair is appointed for a

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further two-year term. That motion was

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carried unanimously. The second item

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um was a legal proceedings report.  it

02:09:53.280 --> 02:09:56.280
was resolved by council and councilor.

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 that council received a note report

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as information and again that was um

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received unanimously. Um also within

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that session although it wasn't part of

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the main business we adopted the 

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Australia Day nominations and minutes.

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So  that was resolved by councelor

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Cameron and seconded by councelor S that

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council noted the Australia nominations

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and amended the Australia committee for

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2026 and that was again adopted

02:10:26.320 --> 02:10:29.095
unanimously.  that being the end of

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business, we've moved back into closed

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council and I would now move to close

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the meeting at I believe it's about

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413

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or 410. Um thank you for your attendance

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and um we'll see you again. There will

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be no meeting in January. Um we we'll

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return in  February February council

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meeting. Thank you and a merry Christmas

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to everybody. See you.